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Korbin posted:
"Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not." First, likely I missed in in the original post, but I don't recall him mentioning the use of FM modulation. In every field day and emergency preparedness I have ever participated in, a.m was the accepted standard. Second, the use of a 75-watt transmitter with a collinear raised 30-feet above the ground on field day? Evidently TOM doesn't grasp the spirit of the event which combines with the fact that he isn't a very experienced ham operator. Then too, the ham community has eroded considerably since these exercises were devised. In fact, a competent ham should have been nearly able to work multiple states with the rig he has described. Anybody left alive here that remembers the 2M Gooney Box, the rig that was the standard for ham emergency communication for more years than I personally care to remember? Its final was a 2E26; Its antenna was typically a quarter-wave stub (a piece of stiff wire poked into the UHF connector on the top of its box or an antenna consisting of a half-wave piece of tv twin line. Its output was anywhere from 5-watts to 10-watts run into that improvised antenna. When battery powered on field day, the output of the rig was arguably between 3 and 5-watts. Still on field day exercises conducted in preparation for an emergency, even the low power rigs with a minimal antenna could garnish at least 50 contact on field day, but this was during the 1970s. Ham radio has seriously declined since that time. This is why I ceased to renew my K2JEZ General Class license around 1982. Read into my above comments what ever you want. Harry C. |
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LRod posted:
"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work "multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try that in any state west of the Appalachins." No, central New Jersey. Dhuh! "Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter century." No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today. However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with Raytheon developing military electronics. When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat. What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter, no. Saddened, yes! Harry C. |
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Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: LRod posted: "K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work "multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try that in any state west of the Appalachins." No, central New Jersey. Dhuh! which is close for the point to be valid "Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter century." No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today. Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with Raytheon developing military electronics. When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat. What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter, no. Saddened, yes! looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several decades ago wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this case an Bitter Old Timer Harry C. See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING. realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that disagrees with you knows nothing BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance Dan/W4NTI |
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"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Snipped wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this case an Bitter Old Timer Harry C. See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING. realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that disagrees with you knows nothing BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little about)! You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing. Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd (same mindset). Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in radio.amateur groups doen't mean much. Ace - WH2T |
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"an_old_friend" wrote in message ups.com... Dan/W4NTI wrote: "an_old_friend" wrote in message oups.com... wrote: LRod posted: "K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work "multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try that in any state west of the Appalachins." No, central New Jersey. Dhuh! which is close for the point to be valid "Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter century." No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today. Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with Raytheon developing military electronics. When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat. What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter, no. Saddened, yes! looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several decades ago wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this case an Bitter Old Timer Harry C. See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING. realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that disagrees with you knows nothing BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone agrees to agree with you, in advance Dan/W4NTI Not at all. I just consider you a complete fool and chose not to waste my time debating such an ignorant goof as you. Dan/W4NTI |
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wrote in message ups.com... LRod posted: "K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work "multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try that in any state west of the Appalachins." No, central New Jersey. Dhuh! "Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter century." No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today. However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with Raytheon developing military electronics. When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat. What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter, no. Saddened, yes! Harry C. Can't argue with that. But you know there is still a lot of interest going on. Satellites are one. The new digital modes are quite interesting. I still enjoy a good CW contact. And I operate a fair amount of SSB. And your right, real hams are few and far between. If you want to find out what is happening now in ham radio....THIS IS NOT THE PLACE TO DO IT. Dan/W4NTI |
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wrote in message oups.com... Korbin posted: "Well FM on 2, 6 or 10m is not used for Field Day, I don't know why but its not." First, likely I missed in in the original post, but I don't recall him mentioning the use of FM modulation. In every field day and emergency preparedness I have ever participated in, a.m was the accepted standard. Second, the use of a 75-watt transmitter with a collinear raised 30-feet above the ground on field day? Evidently TOM doesn't grasp the spirit of the event which combines with the fact that he isn't a very experienced ham operator. Then too, the ham community has eroded considerably since these exercises were devised. In fact, a competent ham should have been nearly able to work multiple states with the rig he has described. Anybody left alive here that remembers the 2M Gooney Box, the rig that was the standard for ham emergency communication for more years than I personally care to remember? Its final was a 2E26; Its antenna was typically a quarter-wave stub (a piece of stiff wire poked into the UHF connector on the top of its box or an antenna consisting of a half-wave piece of tv twin line. Its output was anywhere from 5-watts to 10-watts run into that improvised antenna. When battery powered on field day, the output of the rig was arguably between 3 and 5-watts. Still on field day exercises conducted in preparation for an emergency, even the low power rigs with a minimal antenna could garnish at least 50 contact on field day, but this was during the 1970s. Ham radio has seriously declined since that time. This is why I ceased to renew my K2JEZ General Class license around 1982. Read into my above comments what ever you want. Harry C. Yes indeed....I cut my "phone" teeth with the Gonset II. I used a 10 element antenna, built up a balun for the antenna and fed it with 300 ohm twin. Made another balun and stuck it into the coax connector. I learned how to do that from my ARRL Handbook, circa 1961. Put it outside my bedroom window and regularly worked stations in New York, most of Pennsylvania, West Virginia, etc. This from North East Ohio. Armstrong rotar of course. Activity is a MAJOR factor. Hams now think 2m FM is all there is on VHF. What a pity. Dan/W4NTI |
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