wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value. Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

Dan/W4NTI

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!


You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.
Ace - WH2T

Dr.Ace wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view


You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous
discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign
Ace - WH2T

nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

"disriction"...?!?!

You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same
language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words.

in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)

Here, for example... "hams to the resure"? "religionous"?

discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.
Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:
nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You just argue with many people about many things (most you know very little
about)!

meaning you agree that Dan mispoke I should think when he claimed, "He
argues with everyone about everything." the rest is simply a matter of
opinion, and point of view

Hardly a misrepresentation of your conduct here, Mark.


certainly is everyone and everything are all inclusive terms

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

I've never seen or heard Dan say any such thing.

then you have not been paying attenion. he claims that he will only
discuss emergency comms when I agree with his disriction of the nature
and importance of the beliefs he holds

cuting the english cop crap
in the "hams to resure" thread somwhere before the religionous...(SNIP)
cuting the english cop crap
discusion, the reference was that I must accept that coms I thinks are
merely important are vital to safety and recovery of the region.
Indeed, like Stevie is ****ed that I see ARES type comms, by and large,
as merely preforming the important job of keeping a lot of the small
stuff off the plate of the first responders, as opposed to stuff
affecting the real size and scope of the disaster.

One cannot carry out a meaningful discourse unless there are
certain basic understandings from which to frame that conversation.

you are just plain wrong on that

guess you don't follow the public debate on much of ANY political issue
in the nation

So far, you've not demonstrated that you have a real-time frame of
reference on "emergency comms" from which to make an informed opinion.

not needed at all, indeed if I had than I would likely be unable to
discuss the issue with any impartiality, which would seem to be Dan's
(and your's) problem. You all can't what you are talking about becuase
your own egos are involved

I have taken accepting as fact the claimed message traffic and comented
on its importance in the over all scheme of thing

The latter type certainly did not occour during Katrina, at least in
part becuase for Hams to delver such messages there would have had to
have been somebody to to compose the message and give to us and
Somebody to delviver it to, both ends broke down in Katrina, terribly
limiting our poetencail usefullness as Hams

Your complete ignorance of what has transpired in THIS region,
from your perch on Michigan's Upper Penninsula, is obvious.

I know what is going on there

you are not in that region either strictly speaking

you over look the fact that the onlooker sees most of the game, and the
players don't


FYI, not ALL "emergency comms" are formal written traffic. And
not all "emergency comms" involve "Hi Mom, I'm safe And Will Call
Later" traffic.

never said anything of the sort

Like I've said before, an_old_fiend is apparently in the same camp as Todd
(same mindset).
Also since an_old_fiend doesn't have a call sign his opinion in
radio.amateur groups doen't mean much.

I just choose not to sign it,

unlike some of you I have a life outside Ham radio, I dislike the
common custom of reduceing a person to a callsign

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT.

my word 2 true statements in a row I may die of the shock

but as I said I have a callsign just chose not to sign to ervything

He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

but you saved by lying again

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

my life is non of YOUR busness unless I chose to share those deatils

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

so? you count

and it is ok acording to you for you count my ppost and analyze them
but not for me when I choose to do the same

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Thank you Stevie must mean I am doing something right that you
disaprove

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

You can't "discuss" something unless you are utilizing the same
language, the same grammar, and the same meaning of words.

Unless, of course, it's in Morse Code. Then all communications between
users of unlike languages becomes crystal clear.

"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...

nobodys_old_friend wrote:
Dr.Ace wrote:
"nobodys_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...


Snipped

Mark's callsign is K B 9 R Q Z. He is an NCT. He's spent
countless months telling us of his "disability" and intent to use the
American's with Disabilites Act to "sue" anyone/everyone associated
with his failure to get a coded license.

BTW, Mark, WHAT "life" outside of Amateur Radio?

You've now created at least three screen names that I count as
"active" in order to get around Google's "daily posting limit" so you
can keep the list loaded with your rhetoric.

Doesn't sound like much of a life to me..

Steve, K4YZ


I am surprised Mark could even pass the No Code Tech test.
It's a good thing for him it wasn't a spelling and grammar test.
Ace - WH2T

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"an_old_friend" wrote in message
oups.com...

wrote:
LRod posted:

"K2, huh? New York City? That explains why you were able to work
"multiple states." You have, what, six of them within 100 miles? Try
that in any state west of the Appalachins."

No, central New Jersey. Dhuh!

which is close for the point to be valid

"Whiny old timer, out of touch with reality, loss of memory of old
time

ham radio, ****ed because of Incentive Licensing, lets other people
determine his enjoyment of a hobby, still hanging around the amateur
radio newsgroups despite being unlicensed for nearly a quarter
century."

No Mr. Dork, I simply lost interest in ham radio when it became
infested with clueless CB types who only hold ham tickets because they
crammed their way through the licensing exams. When store purchased
commercial rigs appeared, the ham bands became cluttered with these
types to the extent that one QSO after another led to nothing but
uninformed, mindless blathering as it remains today.

Hmm you lost interest but you are HERE engaging in debate over it

However, I am forever grateful to my ham radio experience because it
led the way for me to obtain my First Class Commercial ticket, my job
as chief engineer of a Trenton, NJ radio station, and ultimately paid
for my BS level college education at Drexel University. The knowledge
acquired though my ham activities also qualified me for a coop job as
a
transmitter designer at Barker & Williamson (the B&W 5100 xmtr was one
of my projects and later the Army's T368 transmitter.) My ham radio
and educational background ultimately led me to a 15+ year career with
Raytheon developing military electronics.

When active as a ham, the majority of my time was spent developing and
perfecting ham TV rigs and TTY systems that represented the cutting
edge technology of that time when the joy of building and operating a
conventional CW, AM, or SSB rig became old hat.

What saddens me most is the degree to which ham radio has become
emasculated and rendered devoid of almost all technical value.
Bitter,
no. Saddened, yes!

looks like one the fellas still ****ed over Incentive licensing and
blaming those who just followed the rules laid down for getting their
licenses for the rulst of the ARRL's games back then, some several
decades ago

wlaks like a duck quacks like a duck, it likely is a duck, or in this
case an Bitter Old Timer

Harry C.


See what I mean Harry C. This guy here is the resident antagonizer. He
argues with everyone about everything. And knows basically NOTHING.

realy I thought that was Stevie's job and you claim anyone that
disagrees with you knows nothing

BTW I don't argue with everyone, let alone about everything

You OTOH say you will agree to discuss something only after everyone
agrees to agree with you, in advance

Dan/W4NTI

Not at all. I just consider you a complete fool and chose not to waste my
time debating such an ignorant goof as you.

Dan/W4NTI