"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Ernie wrote:
Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message
...

TOM wrote:

To continue the thread...

'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch
potatoes watch TV...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm

[snip]
HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane

Katrina,

it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of
life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once
electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were

unable

to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result.

What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution?

"Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says

Eric

Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are

millions

of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public

for

camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio
operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency
communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received

by

the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in

this

emergency communication strategy."

Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is
that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It
could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware

to

listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the
national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that."
[snip]

So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national
frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur

community---lets

see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy.

TOM



You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states
that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies
and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network.


Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are
MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you
think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make
any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters?
APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL
RESPONSE
TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING
TO
TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE!


And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the
emergency network, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Amazing how some minds can get things so out of phase, isn't it? hi.

I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end
of their block? Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I
get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then
carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff.

One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid.

Dan/W4NTI

Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Ernie wrote:

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message
...


TOM wrote:


To continue the thread...

'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch
potatoes watch TV...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm

[snip]
HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane

Katrina,


it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss of
life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once
electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were

unable


to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result.

What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution?

"Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says

Eric


Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are

millions


of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public

for


camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio
operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency
communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily received

by


the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in

this


emergency communication strategy."

Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network is
that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever. It
could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made aware

to


listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the
national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that."
[snip]

So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national
frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur

community---lets


see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy.

TOM



You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states
that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies
and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network.


Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are
MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes you
think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to make
any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters?
APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL
RESPONSE
TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING
TO
TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE!


And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the
emergency network, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Amazing how some minds can get things so out of phase, isn't it? hi.

I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the end
of their block?

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.



Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I
get it, FRS and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then
carrier pigeon will take care of the long haul stuff.

One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid.

Just like trying to polish a turd.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

LOL....thats good Mike.

Dan/W4NTI

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
Dan/W4NTI wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...

Ernie wrote:

Cmd Buzz Corey wrote in message
...


TOM wrote:


To continue the thread...

'ARRL Publishing Empire LLC' looses again and Ham radio operator couch
potatoes watch TV...

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2005/10/prweb293047.htm

[snip]
HARTFORD, CT (PRWEB) Oct 6, 2005 - In the aftermath of Hurricane

Katrina,


it's become clear that a major contributing factor to the tragic loss
of
life was the near total breakdown of communication systems. Once
electricity, telephone, and cell phone services failed, people were

unable


to let rescuers know of their dire situations -- and died as a result.

What could be a simple, instant, and virtually zero-cost solution?

"Establish a National SOS Radio Network (www.NationalSOS.com)," says

Eric


Knight, CEO of UP Aerospace, Inc. (www.upaerospace.com). "There are

millions


of 'Family Radio Service' or 'FRS' radios already in use by the public

for


camping, boating, and hiking, and there are 675,000 licensed ham radio
operators in America -- people renown and prepared for emergency
communications. The output frequencies of FRS radios are easily
received

by


the radio gear ham radio operators use daily. That's the magic link in

this


emergency communication strategy."

Knight went on to say, "The best part of a National SOS Radio Network
is
that it wouldn't require new laws or any new legislation whatsoever.
It
could go into effect, today. Once the ham radio community is made
aware

to


listen for the public's emergency broadcasts on an FRS frequency, the
national network will be up and running. It's as simple as that."
[snip]

So... it will be the FRS that will respond to the needs of a national
frequency for emergency communications and not the amateur

community---lets


see you blame that on the loss of telegraphy.

TOM



You obviously have a reading comprehension problem. Notice it states
that the hams will listen for emergency traffic on the FRS frequencies
and FRS will be the link to the ham radio network.


Let me see now... I have a reading comprehension problem... There are
MILLIONS of FRS users compared to 675,000 couch potatoes. What makes
you
think that the proposal for a National SOS Radio Network is going to
make
any changes to Amateur Radio Service response to national disasters?
APPARENTLY, AMATEUR SERVICE FAILED TO MEET THE NEEDS OF A NATIONAL
RESPONSE
TO DISASTER COMMUNICATIONS IN THE FIRST PLACE---THAT'S WHY FRS IS GOING
TO
TAKE THE PLACE OF THE AMATEUR SERVICE!


And millions more cell phone users. Let the cell phone users make up the
emergency network, eh?

- Mike KB3EIA -


Amazing how some minds can get things so out of phase, isn't it? hi.

I wonder how this FRS service with toy radio's is going to talk past the
end of their block?

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block, then
person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on. Be just
like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL. They will
need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.



Oh with that useless ham stuff? On Vhf/Uhf.....uh....Oh I get it, FRS
and V/UHF ham radio will be the emergency channel and then carrier pigeon
will take care of the long haul stuff.

One thing about it....Ya just cain't fix stupid.

Just like trying to polish a turd.....

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote:



I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?

wrote in message
oups.com...

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his
block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?


No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means
of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks
down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS system does
not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

CB'ers = SNAFU
For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term.
Situation Normal All F***ed Up

Ace - WH2T


"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
oups.com...

Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his
block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so
on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?


No it simply means that without a structured format, message training,
means of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system
breaks down. The formal message handling systems have these. The FRS
system does not.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"Dr.Ace" wrote:
CB'ers = SNAFU
For those who don't know, SNAFU is an Army term.
Situation Normal All F***ed Up

Ace - WH2T

They're right above top-posters on the food chain, ace.

From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 23 Oct 2005 10:19


wrote in message
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?

No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means
of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks
down.

Perhaps that is why the first two trans-continental attempts at
early messaging across the USA broke down? They were "sponsored"
by the ARRL. History. The ARRL doesn't like to talk of those
early days much, though, so you have to go to Thomas White's
Early US Radio History site to find out. :-)

The formal message handling systems have these.

Tell us all about it, Dee. I worked in that a mere 52 years ago.
Professionally. On HF. We can compare notes...

Tell us how the GMDSS works and all the "formality" and "word
counts" apply to SOLAS.

The FRS system does not.

The Family Radio Service was NEVER envisioned as some kind of
"message system." :-) The average pair of FRS transceivers
(handheld) sold across the counter will reach out 1 to 5 miles
(depending on terrain, etc.), ideal to keep track of family
members at a large outing. Or a small one. :-)

Did you think FRS handhelds have little "text" screens or
sockets for keyboards, printers, etc.? :-)

wrote:
From: "Dee Flint" on Sun 23 Oct 2005 10:19


wrote in message
Cmdr Buzz Corey wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote:

I think the idea is that person 1 transmits to the end of his block,
then person 2 transmits to the end of their block. And so on and so on.
Be just like the olde days when the "relay" meant something in ARRL.
They will need every one of those "millions" of FRS radio owners.

When a kid did you ever play the party game 'pass it on'? You know where
you whisper something in someone's ear, they then pass it on to the next
person, then the next, then the next, ect. By the time it gets to the
last person it isn't anything like the orginal message. You don't need
that when you are trying to get critical information to a destination.

So the "Relay" in ARRL is a useless construct?

Wunnerful in theory, useless in practice?

No it simply means that without a structured format, message training, means
of checking the message (such as word count), etc that the system breaks
down.

Perhaps that is why the first two trans-continental attempts at
early messaging across the USA broke down? They were "sponsored"
by the ARRL. History. The ARRL doesn't like to talk of those
early days much, though, so you have to go to Thomas White's
Early US Radio History site to find out. :-)

The formal message handling systems have these.

Tell us all about it, Dee. I worked in that a mere 52 years ago.
Professionally. On HF. We can compare notes...

Tell us how the GMDSS works and all the "formality" and "word
counts" apply to SOLAS.

The FRS system does not.

The Family Radio Service was NEVER envisioned as some kind of
"message system." :-) The average pair of FRS transceivers
(handheld) sold across the counter will reach out 1 to 5 miles
(depending on terrain, etc.), ideal to keep track of family
members at a large outing. Or a small one. :-)

Did you think FRS handhelds have little "text" screens or
sockets for keyboards, printers, etc.? :-)



It must be on amateur frequencies or nothing will work. With enough
amateurs involved, they'll make sure it doesn't work.