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Polymath October 15th 05 02:35 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.


[email protected] October 15th 05 02:46 PM

This newsgroup in particular appears to attract the dregs of society
unlike some of the other ham oriented newsgroups. Why this is I have no
idea, but it certainly doesn't promote a very good public image of
amateur radio.

Harry C.


Conrad Poos October 15th 05 04:53 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present forHam Radio?
 
Polymath wrote:
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?


If you buggered off, the 'gentlemanly quotient' on this newsgroup would
immediately increase by 84.3%.

The signal to noise ratio would also improve by a similar percentage.

Poos

--
vy 73 de Conrad Poos

"Ich bin ein radio amateur"

Ronnie October 15th 05 05:36 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?




As far as the USA goes, what you see here and hear on
ham radio is the culmination of 40 years of deliberate
intentional dumbing down of ham radio, by the ARRL and
the culture of corruption in the government regulatory
agency (FCC).



Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?



Lost forever and last seen in American ham radio of the
1950s and early 60s.



Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.




Not possible when all a mentally ill person has to do is
memorize 20 questions and buy a radio which requires him
to simply plug in the power cord and begin spewing his
insanity to a worldwide audience.



Mark October 15th 05 10:09 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
If you buggered off, the 'gentlemanly quotient' on this newsgroup would
immediately increase by 84.3%.

The signal to noise ratio would also improve by a similar percentage.

Poos

Mr Poos, you are always on the ball! lol.



jim.gm4dhj October 15th 05 10:18 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

"Mark" wrote in message
...
If you buggered off, the 'gentlemanly quotient' on this newsgroup would
immediately increase by 84.3%.

The signal to noise ratio would also improve by a similar percentage.

Poos

Mr Poos, you are always on the ball! lol.

he is my hero.....



jhg October 15th 05 10:34 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
"jim.gm4dhj" wrote in message
...

"Mark" wrote in message
...
If you buggered off, the 'gentlemanly quotient' on this newsgroup would
immediately increase by 84.3%.

The signal to noise ratio would also improve by a similar percentage.

Poos

Mr Poos, you are always on the ball! lol.

he is my hero.....



84.3%
so when you and that old fart Walt bugger off we will be at 100%



jim.gm4dhj October 15th 05 10:51 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

so when you and that old fart Walt bugger off we will be at 100%



Pump; (Puump)

To break wind, uninhibitedly As in, The wee ******* pumped a ****ey ming
enough tae make us dry-boak.



Young Nick October 16th 05 08:24 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.


Wrong tense. WAS a technical pursuit . . .

Ham radio and the ideals you mention is dead. Killed by
the RSCB in favour of the new hobby radio, now
designated "Multiband CB"

With the average age of an M3 being about 12 - and with an
IQ to match - any notions about hobby radio being a "technical
pursuit" are simply silly.

Welcome to the brave new world, courtesy of the Potty Bar
book club . . .


Young Nick




Roger October 16th 05 09:47 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 


Wrong tense. WAS a technical pursuit . . .

Ham radio and the ideals you mention is dead. Killed by
the RSCB in favour of the new hobby radio, now
designated "Multiband CB"

With the average age of an M3 being about 12 - and with an
IQ to match - any notions about hobby radio being a "technical
pursuit" are simply silly.

Welcome to the brave new world, courtesy of the Potty Bar
book club . . .


Young Nick

One must assume, of course, that you are not addressing the likes of the
potty-mouthed fifty going on fifteen year old types that lurk herein.
Wiseman will take issue with that comparison.









Brian Reay October 16th 05 09:54 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
"Roger" wrote in message
...


Wrong tense. WAS a technical pursuit . . .

Ham radio and the ideals you mention is dead. Killed by
the RSCB in favour of the new hobby radio, now
designated "Multiband CB"

With the average age of an M3 being about 12 - and with an
IQ to match - any notions about hobby radio being a "technical
pursuit" are simply silly.

Welcome to the brave new world, courtesy of the Potty Bar
book club . . .


Young Nick

One must assume, of course, that you are not addressing the likes of the
potty-mouthed fifty going on fifteen year old types that lurk herein.
Wiseman will take issue with that comparison.


For that matter, when did "young Nick" ever post a technical topic on here?

I don't recall any, even Gareth has managed the odd one.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk



Conrad Poos October 16th 05 10:14 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present forHam Radio?
 
Mark wrote:

Mr Poos, you are always on the ball! lol.


Thank you, good sir :)

73

Poos

--
vy 73 de Conrad Poos

"Ich bin ein radio amateur"

Wayne P. Muckleroy October 16th 05 10:41 AM

It's about time...
 
....amateur radio has been given over to the masses. The technical part of
ham radio has never really been that complicated. The segregator was the
code requirement.

Personally, I am glad to see a trend toward opening up the hobby. This
implies that more X'mitters will be around during the time of an emergency.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Roger" wrote in message
...


Wrong tense. WAS a technical pursuit . . .

Ham radio and the ideals you mention is dead. Killed by
the RSCB in favour of the new hobby radio, now
designated "Multiband CB"

With the average age of an M3 being about 12 - and with an
IQ to match - any notions about hobby radio being a "technical
pursuit" are simply silly.

Welcome to the brave new world, courtesy of the Potty Bar
book club . . .


Young Nick

One must assume, of course, that you are not addressing the likes of the
potty-mouthed fifty going on fifteen year old types that lurk herein.
Wiseman will take issue with that comparison.











tox October 16th 05 05:59 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
"Roger" wrote in message
...



For that matter, when did "young Nick" ever post a technical topic on
here?


Probably another G4SDW sock puppet, Brian...


I don't recall any, even Gareth has managed the odd one.


They may have been technical, however, they would have made little sense.

Regards

tox



Wayne P. Muckleroy October 16th 05 06:18 PM

It's about time...
 
What's up with the insincere usage of 73 in these newsgroups. One guy calls
me "stupid" and another calls me a clown. In closing their views, they sign
it "73's."

Since when is stating my opinion "trolling." I believe that opening up the
bands will have some very positive results. For one, it could help stimulate
the economy if more people are buying amateur equipment.

Apparently, others feel as I do or else the amateur licensing requirements
would not be restructured to eliminate high-speed Morse.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:41:58 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
wrote:

...amateur radio has been given over to the masses. The technical part of
ham radio has never really been that complicated. The segregator was the
code requirement.

Personally, I am glad to see a trend toward opening up the hobby. This
implies that more X'mitters will be around during the time of an
emergency.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)


Are you going to post your idiotic trolling in *every* amateur radio
group, Wayne? The ink is scarcely dry on your licence, but you think
you know it all already. What a clown.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com




Polymath October 16th 05 06:35 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
But not as odd as "E^(-jwt) is a function that
decreases with increasing time".

Brian Reay wrote:
For that matter, when did "young Nick" ever post a technical topic on here?
I don't recall any, even Gareth has managed the odd one.



tox October 16th 05 07:48 PM

It's about time...
 

"Wayne P. Muckleroy" wrote in message
. ..
What's up with the insincere usage of 73 in these newsgroups. One guy
calls me "stupid" and another calls me a clown. In closing their views,
they sign it "73's."


Top posting is stupid...

HTH
tox



Jock. October 16th 05 08:52 PM

It's about time...
 
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 18:48:54 GMT, "tox" wrote:


"Wayne P. Muckleroy" wrote in message
...
What's up with the insincere usage of 73 in these newsgroups. One guy
calls me "stupid" and another calls me a clown. In closing their views,
they sign it "73's."


Top posting is stupid...


Nearly as stupid as writing "73's".

--

73 de Jock.

Si les parallèles se rejoignent effectivement à
l'infini, je descendrai du train un peu avant.

an_old_friend October 17th 05 02:10 AM

It's about time...
 

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
What's up with the insincere usage of 73 in these newsgroups. One guy calls
me "stupid" and another calls me a clown. In closing their views, they sign
it "73's."


becuase they so full of **** they don't even know it and they don't
know the word Hypocrite

Since when is stating my opinion "trolling." I believe that opening up the
bands will have some very positive results. For one, it could help stimulate
the economy if more people are buying amateur equipment.


don't hold your breath on that one

Apparently, others feel as I do or else the amateur licensing requirements
would not be restructured to eliminate high-speed Morse.


you do mean any morse

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:41:58 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
wrote:

...amateur radio has been given over to the masses. The technical part of
ham radio has never really been that complicated. The segregator was the
code requirement.

Personally, I am glad to see a trend toward opening up the hobby. This
implies that more X'mitters will be around during the time of an
emergency.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)


Are you going to post your idiotic trolling in *every* amateur radio
group, Wayne? The ink is scarcely dry on your licence, but you think
you know it all already. What a clown.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com



an_old_friend October 17th 05 02:11 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

Polymath wrote:
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?


they died year ago at least in the US

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.



[email protected] October 17th 05 09:32 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

Lardass Davies the chilkd molesting pervert wrote:
Wrong tense. WAS a technical pursuit . . .

Ham radio and the ideals you mention is dead. Killed by
the RSCB in favour of the new hobby radio, now
designated "Multiband CB"

With the average age of an M3 being about 12 - and with an
IQ to match - any notions about hobby radio being a "technical
pursuit" are simply silly.

Welcome to the brave new world, courtesy of the Potty Bar
book club . . .


Young Nick

One must assume, of course, that you are not addressing the likes of the
potty-mouthed fifty going on fifteen year old types that lurk herein.
Wiseman will take issue with that comparison.


There goes Lloyd Austin Davies dreaming of his pedophile fantasies
again...He learned his pedo behavior from Ray Chason Jr. and Steve
Holsten.


Wayne P. Muckleroy October 21st 05 06:22 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
You mean that we are just human beings who like to cut up sometimes? Guess
what world, amateur operators are just human. We are not super geeks who's
only life is getting to 30 wpm in morse and figuring out which antenna is
best for 160 meters.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)

"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.




Polymath October 21st 05 02:42 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
If you refer to "operators" then you refer to CB Radio
enthusiasts who are habitually ill-mannered and insulting.
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.

I append a short article to assist you in your
disambiguation of the two.

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
You mean that we are just human beings who like to cut up sometimes? Guess
what world, amateur operators are just human. We are not super geeks who's
only life is getting to 30 wpm in morse and figuring out which antenna is
best for 160 meters.
"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.


What is Ham Radio?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years
and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----OOOOO----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults;
they have not satisfied any technical qualification
and their licences prevent the use of
self-designed-and-built equipment.

These CB types engage in the competitive activities
with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios
in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams.

No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people!

-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also hold a CB licence safe in the knowledge that
such a licence says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
a Ham Radio licence and a CB Radio licence. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. A sure sign of
a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence
issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the
M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.

-----ooooo-----

One group of people who claim to be of the standard of
Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an
apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B
licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against
the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF
bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their
intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds.

6 year-olds simply lack the mathematical tool kit to
enable them to handle even the simplest algebraic manipulation
for Ohm's Law and thus, the disgraceful Class Ber's in
the aforementioned category are not Radio Hams by any stretch
of the imagination!

Remember - A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds,
or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous
degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme!


Sigurd Stenersen October 21st 05 04:56 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
Polymath wrote:
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.


I agree. But isn't most of the noise in the newsgroups generated by
non-hams ?

I've been using newsgroups for a long time, but only recently joined the ham
groups. I don't think I've seen this amount of noise in ANY other
newsgroups for special interests. Maybe hams are more easily annoyed or
insulted than other people and thus attract more idiots ?

Also, a lot of nerdy people are interested in ham radio, and unfortunately a
lot of nerds are unable to function socially.


--
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com



Polymath October 21st 05 05:15 PM

It's about time...
 
That's right, morse blows goats anyway.



On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 09:41:58 GMT, "Wayne P.
Muckleroy" wrote:

...amateur radio has been given over to the masses. The technical part of
ham radio has never really been that complicated. The segregator was the
code requirement.

Personally, I am glad to see a trend toward opening up the hobby. This
implies that more X'mitters will be around during the time of an emergency.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)
"Roger" wrote in message
...


Wrong tense. WAS a technical pursuit . . .

Ham radio and the ideals you mention is dead. Killed by
the RSCB in favour of the new hobby radio, now
designated "Multiband CB"

With the average age of an M3 being about 12 - and with an
IQ to match - any notions about hobby radio being a "technical
pursuit" are simply silly.

Welcome to the brave new world, courtesy of the Potty Bar
book club . . .


Young Nick

One must assume, of course, that you are not addressing the likes of the
potty-mouthed fifty going on fifteen year old types that lurk herein.
Wiseman will take issue with that comparison.










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G1LVN \(for it is he\) October 21st 05 05:38 PM

It's about time...
 

"Polymath" wrote in message
...
That's right, morse blows goats anyway.


Bean's bean on the sauce?



[email protected] October 21st 05 07:48 PM

It's about time...
 

G1LVN (for it is he) wrote:
"Polymath" wrote in message
...
That's right, morse blows goats anyway.


Bean's bean on the sauce?


He's been chugging down that "Night Train" or "Thunderbird."


an_old_friend October 21st 05 10:42 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

Sigurd Stenersen wrote:
Polymath wrote:
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.


I agree. But isn't most of the noise in the newsgroups generated by
non-hams ?

I've been using newsgroups for a long time, but only recently joined the ham
groups. I don't think I've seen this amount of noise in ANY other
newsgroups for special interests. Maybe hams are more easily annoyed or
insulted than other people and thus attract more idiots ?


now while I have seen you saya a few things I thought were realy stupid
you are RIGHT on the money here

Hams have thin skins

a dermal problem caused by too much Morse code perhaps ;)

Also, a lot of nerdy people are interested in ham radio, and unfortunately a
lot of nerds are unable to function socially.


--
73 de LB3KB, Sigurd
http://justlearnmorsecode.com



Wayne P. Muckleroy October 22nd 05 06:09 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a technical pursuit
for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.

"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
If you refer to "operators" then you refer to CB Radio
enthusiasts who are habitually ill-mannered and insulting.
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for gentlemen.

I append a short article to assist you in your
disambiguation of the two.

Wayne P. Muckleroy wrote:
You mean that we are just human beings who like to cut up sometimes?
Guess
what world, amateur operators are just human. We are not super geeks
who's
only life is getting to 30 wpm in morse and figuring out which antenna is
best for 160 meters.
"Polymath" wrote in message
oups.com...
By which I mean the tirades of personal insults
and intolerance that emanate within these NG?

Wha happened to the international traditions
of gentlemanliness?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those suitably
motivated. Let us remember that in our dealings
within these NG.


What is Ham Radio?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that
they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one
else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters,
the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone
users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers
are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams
are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort
to gain, and one to be jealously guarded.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years
and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----OOOOO----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults;
they have not satisfied any technical qualification
and their licences prevent the use of
self-designed-and-built equipment.

These CB types engage in the competitive activities
with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios
in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams.

No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people!

-----ooooo-----

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist
from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the
difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will
perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will
perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility
no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a
GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham
could also hold a CB licence safe in the knowledge that
such a licence says no more about him than having a land-line
telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate
technical pursuit.

A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between
a Ham Radio licence and a CB Radio licence. To him, they are
sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then
tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio
Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. A sure sign of
a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence
issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the
M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme.

-----ooooo-----

One group of people who claim to be of the standard of
Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an
apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B
licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against
the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF
bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their
intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds.

6 year-olds simply lack the mathematical tool kit to
enable them to handle even the simplest algebraic manipulation
for Ohm's Law and thus, the disgraceful Class Ber's in
the aforementioned category are not Radio Hams by any stretch
of the imagination!

Remember - A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds,
or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous
degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme!




Polymath October 22nd 05 06:44 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
And, therefore, not a Radio Ham, but one of those
CB Radio enthusiasts criticised in the short article?

Too late! Too late! The Mongolian Hordes of CB types
are at the gates and have already Trojan-Horsed their
way in!

Take action _NOW_ before it is too late1

But what action?

Easy - resign from organisations such as the ARRL and
the RSCB which are promoting the CBise-ation of Ham Radio!




Walt Davidson wrote:
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a technical pursuit
for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.


You wouldn't understand, Wayne, as you are neither technical nor a
gentleman.

Kindly go back to CB where you came from.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com



[email protected] October 22nd 05 06:51 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
On 21 Oct 2005 22:44:34 -0700, "Polymath"
wrote:

And, therefore, not a Radio Ham, but one of those
CB Radio enthusiasts criticised in the short article?

Too late! Too late! The Mongolian Hordes of CB types
are at the gates and have already Trojan-Horsed their
way in!

Take action _NOW_ before it is too late1

But what action?

Easy - resign from organisations such as the ARRL and
the RSCB which are promoting the CBise-ation of Ham Radio!


not in a positon to comment on RSCB

but the ARRL is hardly a friend of Ham radio, but for the anything
like the reason you allude to

it no friend becuase it tries to pretend it is leading by following
every barking back at every dog that barks

BTW you standards Poly Ham radio in the US is already CB, since the
Techs and those that started as Techs are the vast amjorty of Hams

so indeed you vision of the Ham radio is already long dead

Ham radio is Dead, Long Live Ham radio

poly as a Brit you ought to aprecate that



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Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI October 22nd 05 10:54 AM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present forHam Radio?
 
wrote:
not in a positon to comment on RSCB

but the ARRL is hardly a friend of Ham radio, but for the anything
like the reason you allude to

it no friend becuase it tries to pretend it is leading by following
every barking back at every dog that barks

BTW you standards Poly Ham radio in the US is already CB, since the
Techs and those that started as Techs are the vast amjorty of Hams

so indeed you vision of the Ham radio is already long dead

Ham radio is Dead, Long Live Ham radio

poly as a Brit you ought to aprecate that

Beanie's not a REAL Brit - he's a Welsh immigrant.
--
;-)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
http://turner-smith.co.uk

Jock. October 22nd 05 04:38 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a
technical pursuit for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.


But at least he doesn't put a two-line reply in and then
quote 2 Megabytes of irrelevant drivel below it.

--

73 de Jock.

"Choice has always been a privilege of those who
could afford to pay for it."
- Ellen Frankfort

Jock. October 22nd 05 04:40 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 01:51:10 -0400, wrote:

not in a positon to comment on RSCB

but the ARRL is hardly a friend of Ham radio, but for the anything
like the reason you allude to

it no friend becuase it tries to pretend it is leading by following
every barking back at every dog that barks

BTW you standards Poly Ham radio in the US is already CB, since the
Techs and those that started as Techs are the vast amjorty of Hams

so indeed you vision of the Ham radio is already long dead

Ham radio is Dead, Long Live Ham radio

poly as a Brit you ought to aprecate that


Aprecate your post. Wish I knew what the hell you were
talking about.

--

73 de Jock.

"Choice has always been a privilege of those who
could afford to pay for it."
- Ellen Frankfort

Wayne P. Muckleroy October 29th 05 05:13 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
As if you cared, I happen to be fairly technical. I have a BSEE and have
been in the electromagnetic wave business for quite some time.

My argument is with the age old view that amateur radio is just for
"gentlemen." This stance implies two biases. The first is that all
participants must be male. I will leave this by itself. The second is that
all participants must have keen technical prowess and a VAST memory store of
useless facts. Today's technology opens the hobby up to people from all
walks of life and technical ability. This is a win-win situation if ever I
saw one.

More aptly put, amateur radio is a technically-based hobby and public
service that is open to anyone who has been qualified.

Wayne-
(KC8UIO)


"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 22 Oct 2005 05:09:08 GMT, "Wayne P. Muckleroy"
wrote:

Where's the short article, polymath? Amateur radio is a technical pursuit
for gentlemen...what a pompous stance.


You wouldn't understand, Wayne, as you are neither technical nor a
gentleman.

Kindly go back to CB where you came from.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com




Reg Edwards October 29th 05 05:21 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

"Wayne P. Muckleroy" wrote
I have a BSEE
============================

What's a BSEE ?



jim.gm4dhj October 29th 05 05:26 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 

What's a BSEE ?


The Bees Nees...a "Qualification you get through the Internet..... you get
it by paying for a certificate ...a bit like an MM3......



Reg Edwards October 29th 05 06:24 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
What's a BSEE ?


The Bees Nees...a "Qualification you get through the Internet.....

you get
it by paying for a certificate ...a bit like an MM3......


===================================
I think I see what you mean.

I wonder what Polymath's views are on the subject of USA technical
qualifications?



Brian Reay October 29th 05 06:30 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
What's a BSEE ?


Like a UK BSc in Engineering.

Batchelor of Science Electronic Engineering, as I recall.



The Bees Nees...a "Qualification you get through the Internet.....

you get
it by paying for a certificate ...a bit like an MM3......


===================================
I think I see what you mean.

I wonder what Polymath's views are on the subject of USA technical
qualifications?


Oh, he is probably as jealous of them as he is of UK ones.

--
73
Brian, G8OSN
www.g8osn.org.uk



Polymath October 29th 05 07:37 PM

Is this _REALLY_ the public face that we want to present for Ham Radio?
 
The Yank Bachelor's degree is roughly equivalent to what the
Brit "A" Levels were 30 years ago. You need to get a Yank
Master's to get anywhere near the Brit Bachelor - except,
of course if we're talking about Open University because
in the early days you could do 6 unrelated elementary
subjects - one per year- and still get a degree.

Because of these early OU degrees, one has to consider
that _ALL_ OU degrees are the equivalent of 6 'O' levels,
and all of them in Cookery.

Reg Edwards wrote:
What's a BSEE ?


The Bees Nees...a "Qualification you get through the Internet.....

you get
it by paying for a certificate ...a bit like an MM3......


===================================
I think I see what you mean.

I wonder what Polymath's views are on the subject of USA technical
qualifications?




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