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Armature radio's threat from within
I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT
I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF |
Armature radio's threat from within
Cosmo wrote:
I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF Did you note the calls ? if its Qld feel free to forward information as one of the principles is close by and the behavior is foolish in the extreme . |
Armature radio's threat from within
Cosmo wrote:
I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF Well the other night I heard an *F-call* threatening another amateur on 80mt . . then he read out his name and address just like you used to hear on CB. And what he read out was obtainable on the ACMA website. Yes we have taken a big step backwards. |
Armature radio's threat from within
It was exactly this sort of goings-on that I heard as a SWL some 15 years
ago that made me think "why on earth would I want to become an amateur with that sort of behaviour?". And you know what? I never did get my licence until some 13 years after that. So such behaviour definitely has a detrimental effect to the amateur community at large. Thankfully, its something I don't dwell on, and it appears to be so infrequent that I'm not overly concerned about it. But how many other prospective new hams have been similarly affected as SWLs? Ta - Jason VK7ZJA -- To reply directly from this news group message, please remove the STOP and JUNK and change all 'z' to 's' in my email identity shown here. "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF |
Armature radio's threat from within
Hi Peter
As much as I'd like to believe this problem is isolated to radio users I think it is actually a sociological state that the world has gotten into. People are generally less tolerant than they use to be, more ready to litigate, less happy, more selfish and finding that laws dont actually reflect their concerns. ie lots of stupid ones get passed. I came up with this upsetting conclusion some years ago and was intent on isolating myself out in country NSW and choosing what amateurs I would communicate with. In my case those only interested in technical discussion and the joy of expermenting. Given at the time this restricted me to 50MHz there was a good chance that a lot of undesirables werent interested in optimizing their stations and thus wouldnt appear as often. (Why would you build an expensive 2m SSB station for example just to get angry at someone?) I think the world will generally get worse, amateur radio included. Apologies for the prediction but I really do think it is that bad. I have however moved to Texas in the US. The veil of "niceness" here seems to come from the good manners associated with local religous beliefs. There is also a great lack of person to person contact outside of shopping and church (if you exclude family) and the concern that walking on ones property will get you shot! Virtually nobody walks anywhere and cell phones are the escape for those that have to drive! I guess if you dont interface with people you arent likley to get into conflicts with each other! Amateur radio here tends to be held in much higher esteem than on Oz. This is especially so after the recent hurricanes and general civil emergency use during tornado season. (now!) 2m FM gets a lot of civil and 3rd party traffic but I do hear occasional nasty people populating 20m. They seem to be within a few hundred km. Thats my fault I guess for putting up an antenna with a high angle radiation pattern! Cheers Bob W5/VK2YQA East Texas Cosmo wrote: I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT |
Armature radio's threat from within
"Jason Reilly" wrote in message
u... It was exactly this sort of goings-on that I heard as a SWL some 15 years ago that made me think "why on earth would I want to become an amateur with that sort of behaviour?". And you know what? I never did get my licence until some 13 years after that. So such behaviour definitely has a detrimental effect to the amateur community at large. Thankfully, its something I don't dwell on, and it appears to be so infrequent that I'm not overly concerned about it. But how many other prospective new hams have been similarly affected as SWLs? Ta - Jason VK7ZJA -- To reply directly from this news group message, please remove the STOP and JUNK and change all 'z' to 's' in my email identity shown here. "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF There was a time I boasted amateur radio to anyone and everyone with a smile on my face. I had adults ask me about Ham radio - they wanted their kids to get into Radio - but NOT CB due to it's garbage dump activities. Anymore - I don't boast Amateur Radio - to anyone - especially to children. It is a shame what it has become. Whats even funnier is that those doing so in the US seem to be going on forever. The FCC seems to have placed all their efforts towards making sure Janet Jackson's tits are revealed on TV anymore - and forgot about Ham bands and everything else for that matter. This world is changing in more ways than one. Others I won't go into and not radio related. It sure is going to hell in a handbasket - QUICK. clf |
Armature radio's threat from within
The Hams who spent many hours during Katrina and many other disasters would
disagree with you I respectfully do -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "CLFE" wrote in message ... "Jason Reilly" wrote in message u... It was exactly this sort of goings-on that I heard as a SWL some 15 years ago that made me think "why on earth would I want to become an amateur with that sort of behaviour?". And you know what? I never did get my licence until some 13 years after that. So such behaviour definitely has a detrimental effect to the amateur community at large. Thankfully, its something I don't dwell on, and it appears to be so infrequent that I'm not overly concerned about it. But how many other prospective new hams have been similarly affected as SWLs? Ta - Jason VK7ZJA -- To reply directly from this news group message, please remove the STOP and JUNK and change all 'z' to 's' in my email identity shown here. "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF There was a time I boasted amateur radio to anyone and everyone with a smile on my face. I had adults ask me about Ham radio - they wanted their kids to get into Radio - but NOT CB due to it's garbage dump activities. Anymore - I don't boast Amateur Radio - to anyone - especially to children. It is a shame what it has become. Whats even funnier is that those doing so in the US seem to be going on forever. The FCC seems to have placed all their efforts towards making sure Janet Jackson's tits are revealed on TV anymore - and forgot about Ham bands and everything else for that matter. This world is changing in more ways than one. Others I won't go into and not radio related. It sure is going to hell in a handbasket - QUICK. clf |
Armature radio's threat from within
Cosmo wrote: I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF Yeah, you really gotta watch out for those spurious emissions from those motor armatures. |
Armature radio's threat from within
"Bob Bob" wrote in message
... Hi Peter As much as I'd like to believe this problem is isolated to radio users I think it is actually a sociological state that the world has gotten into. People are generally less tolerant than they use to be, more ready to litigate, less happy, more selfish and finding that laws dont actually reflect their concerns. ie lots of stupid ones get passed. I came up with this upsetting conclusion some years ago and was intent on isolating myself out in country NSW and choosing what amateurs I would communicate with. In my case those only interested in technical discussion and the joy of expermenting. Given at the time this restricted me to 50MHz there was a good chance that a lot of undesirables werent interested in optimizing their stations and thus wouldnt appear as often. (Why would you build an expensive 2m SSB station for example just to get angry at someone?) I think the world will generally get worse, amateur radio included. Apologies for the prediction but I really do think it is that bad. I have however moved to Texas in the US. The veil of "niceness" here seems to come from the good manners associated with local religous beliefs. There is also a great lack of person to person contact outside of shopping and church (if you exclude family) and the concern that walking on ones property will get you shot! Virtually nobody walks anywhere and cell phones are the escape for those that have to drive! I guess if you dont interface with people you arent likley to get into conflicts with each other! Amateur radio here tends to be held in much higher esteem than on Oz. This is especially so after the recent hurricanes and general civil emergency use during tornado season. (now!) 2m FM gets a lot of civil and 3rd party traffic but I do hear occasional nasty people populating 20m. They seem to be within a few hundred km. Thats my fault I guess for putting up an antenna with a high angle radiation pattern! Cheers Bob W5/VK2YQA East Texas Cosmo wrote: I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT Though the poster was referring to primarily to Ham Radio - I agree with you - it isn't limited to just radio. It is a problem within society. Road Rage - is another instance. People never used to be so bad in that respect either. I'm sure we can mention any number of areas that fall prey. My original post said - the world is going to hell in a handbasket - quick...... A good start to fixing, is each of us taking responsibility for our own actions. We all know what the rules and laws are - they were put there for us all to get along with. Any ingnorance of or towards any of those rules/laws - creates problems. clf |
Armature radio's threat from within
I'm not saying that even most hams are not doing thing well, I'm saying that
there is sufficiently enough bad habits and lack of basic manners developing on the bands that it's becoming a threat to the hobby and it needs to be addressed. I had held my licence for over twenty five years and I can't recall it having been this bad. Peter vk3ysf "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:8khQf.11945$Uc2.6424@fed1read04... The Hams who spent many hours during Katrina and many other disasters would disagree with you I respectfully do |
Armature radio's threat from within
wrote in message oups.com... Cosmo wrote: I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF Yeah, you really gotta watch out for those spurious emissions from those motor armatures. Spell check got me again! |
Armature radio's threat from within
"Cosmo" wrote in message
u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. [SNIP] .. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. It's also very hard to "self-regulate" and sort out the problem operators when the regulator doesn't even give a damn anymore.. I know it isn't Amateur band, but a recent episode on the UHF CB emergency channel where an 'emergency monitor' responded to a brief button pusher with the comment "some dickheads have no ****ing brains...." obtained a response from ACMA that such operation was not considered offensive or wrong... Maybe not on many local repeaters, but how many people expect a torrent of abuse from an emergency monitor on the emergency channels?? I've said this before and I will keep saying it - no matter what band we are talking about the amount of abuse and morons will continue to increase while ever the rest of the operators feel it is someone else's problem to deal with it... No doubt there are some new F calls, just like there were some new H calls a few years ago, that don't operate within what many consider "acceptable practices", but there are also a lot of others that do the same and until the majority of the operators are willing to stand up and either educate the relevant operators, OR, petition the ACMA and/or WIA to take action and make necessary changes, the problem will continue. I know from experience how quickly the ACMA can act on a complaint when they want to, and how they can quickly and easily solve the problem. The trouble is that nobody, or not enough, seem willing to get involved and help in the "self-regulate" procedure, which basically means that if a gentle talking to doesn't help (or the problem is far too serious), that the relevant information and evidence be handed to the ACMA with an official complaint. Perhaps the WIA does indeed need to look at a modified form of "intruder watch" that would encourage amateurs (not just WIA members) to "dob in" problem operators and then the WIA takes the matter to ACMA to help ensure something actually gets done. After all, they are "our bands" and while ever we are willing to tolerate such behaviour the ACMA is not likely to care less - if that results in a downturn in numbers or sever misuse of the bands, then that's a bonus to ACMA as they then get more spectrum to sell off!!! Cheers Martin, VK2UMJ flame-protective suit on |
Armature radio's threat from within
I have also heard this same type of behaviour on a Melbourne repeater just 3
days back and it involved 2 full call operators at first, then another operator joined them and tried to quell the situation but without any luck. I myself have just joined the amateur ranks and was very disapointed to hear this sort of thing happening, this is something I would have expected to hear on the CB bands, but not on amateur radio. I can only hope this was an isolated incident as I achieved my licence to get away from this type of activity. Cheers and 73`s to all. Graeme VK3FTTG "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF |
Armature radio's threat from within
"Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF Fact. You don't need an amateur license to purchase and illegally use tranceivers. Fact. Self regulation without enforceable consequences doesn't work, either in amateur radio or elsewhere. Fact. Operating and technical standards have nosedived among many new amateurs compared to 30 years ago. People don't generally respect and covert what they haven't worked their tails off for. Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a group of wierd misfits. (myself included :) We were geeks before the word was invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level playing field where one respected someone because they had been through the same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's all apparently ancient history. Now AR is the playground for all. No more amateurs code, it's all F#$% you mate! Society has unfortunately changed. It's become personal. Me first, second and third. Get outta my way and show me the bottom line.It's all about the money. The revolution appears to have erased the words "respect" and "tolerance". Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still exist ? If they don't then perhaps they should. Conclusion. Two years ago I had a very public battle with several amateurs and would be amateurs who accused me of doing a "chicken little" i.e. yelling "the sky is falling the sky is falling!". It may not have fallen. But I would suggest that it may be very close to the ground. Cheers Jim VK4BBG |
Armature radio's threat from within
I am just curious as to what armature radio is all about? Is it radios
set up on some sort of an armature to allow you to move it about or something? "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF _________________________________________ Usenet Zone Free Binaries Usenet Server More than 140,000 groups Unlimited download http://www.usenetzone.com to open account |
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On 11/03/06 at 22:43:36 Jim somehow managed to type:
snip Fact. snip Here's another fact for you. In days gone by the older, in terms of time spent in the hobby, amateurs would help those who were new to the hobby. They'd help with operating procedures as well as the more technical aspects of the hobby. Today the older amateurs are MUCH more likely to provide NO help whatsoever. I well remember when I made my first CQ call on HF as a Z call. Did I get any meaningful response ? Not bloody likely. All I got was "why don't you just **** off back to CB where you belong" followed by a lengthy and foul tirade against limited licence holders being given HF privileges. Was it a new operator. Nope. It was a long time full call and one who up until then I'd considered a knowledgeable gentlemen. My view is that quite a few people who've been in the hobby for a long while resent newcomers and will do anything to get rid of 'em because they didn't have to do a written exam or a CW exam. Those people would do well to remember that they did exactly what todays newcomers do. They studied for, and passed, the required exams. This almost constant badmouthing of foundation licencees WITHOUT trying to educate them is idiotic and demonstrates the true character of the people doing the badmouthing. Perhaps if these same people were to put the same amount of effort into helping educate the newcomers we'd all be a lot better off. snip -- Humbug aka VK3ZMF BE A LOOF! (There has been a recent population explosion of lerts.) |
Armature radio's threat from within
This almost constant badmouthing of foundation licencees WITHOUT trying
to educate them is idiotic and demonstrates the true character of the people doing the badmouthing. Perhaps if these same people were to put the same amount of effort into helping educate the newcomers we'd all be a lot better off. Nicely put. In my experience, the very infrequent cases of abuse and **** fights on amateur bands are more often caused by those who have been licensed for many many years. They may involve a newcomer, who will undoubtable get the blame regardless. This was happening when I first took an interest in amateur radio 25 years ago, and its still the same now. -- Jack VK2CJC / MM0AXL |
Armature radio's threat from within
"Jack VK2CJC/MM0AXL" wrote in message
... This almost constant badmouthing of foundation licencees WITHOUT trying to educate them is idiotic and demonstrates the true character of the people doing the badmouthing. Perhaps if these same people were to put the same amount of effort into helping educate the newcomers we'd all be a lot better off. Nicely put. In my experience, the very infrequent cases of abuse and **** fights on amateur bands are more often caused by those who have been licensed for many many years. They may involve a newcomer, who will undoubtable get the blame regardless. This was happening when I first took an interest in amateur radio 25 years ago, and its still the same now. -- Jack VK2CJC / MM0AXL I can't speak for the Aussie's, but from what "I" seem to hear on the bands in the U.S. - it isn't so much the newcomers doing the poor operating, it is those who've been in it a while - Extra class at that. clf |
Armature radio's threat from within
On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no
spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote: ... clipped Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a group of wierd misfits. (myself included :) We were geeks before the word was invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level playing field where one respected someone because they had been through the same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's all apparently ancient history. ... clipped Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Perhaps the bright side is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such an important community resource! Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still exist ? If they don't then perhaps they should. .... clipped Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a member. To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word" and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time, callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all. Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart" reactions. Keith G Malcolm VK1ZKM 12 March 2006 |
Armature radio's threat from within
wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote: ... clipped Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a group of wierd misfits. (myself included :) We were geeks before the word was invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level playing field where one respected someone because they had been through the same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's all apparently ancient history. ... clipped Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Perhaps the bright side is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such an important community resource! Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still exist ? If they don't then perhaps they should. ... clipped Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a member. To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word" and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time, callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all. Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart" reactions. Keith G Malcolm VK1ZKM 12 March 2006 This has been for me a constructive discussion and I hope for others. It appears that many have similar concerns and more importantly some ideas. I agree with the common thread that we must first engage with new operators, although I was not necessarily suggesting the problem lies only with them! And obviously we need to lead by example. Having said that I believe that adequate policing procedures need to be put in place if they are not already in place and if they are in place it needs to be published. I suggest that if anyone has a strong view on this issue that they contact the relevant WIA committee member on the below contact page and see if we are able to raise the issue to a sufficient level. http://www.wia.org.au/contact.php Cheers Peter vk3ysf |
Armature radio's threat from within
wrote in message ... On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 21:43:36 +1000, "Jim" jimshire1_no spammy@iprimusdotcomdotau wrote: Comments indispersed ... clipped Opinion. AR appears to be largely irrelevant to Australian society and its instrumentalities. Apart from some noticeable occasions when amateurs assisted in emergencies, it always has been just a hobby pursued by a group of wierd misfits. (myself included :) We were geeks before the word was invented. The difference is that today many in the ranks have no idea that AR was once the hobby of gentlemen, kings and politicians. It was a level playing field where one respected someone because they had been through the same hoops, irregardless of social standing, money or power. But that's all apparently ancient history. ... clipped Unforunately true, but that's the way it is. Does that mean that it should just be accepted ? It appears to me that the cornerstone of amateur radio is the concept of friendship, especially with newcomers. If that's ancient history then I'm outta here ! Perhaps the bright side is that we should be grateful that the most heavily populated parts of Australia aren't generally subject to the severe weather etc conditions that make amateur radio emergency response capability such an important community resource! If the current problems within the amateur ranks are anything but minor, one wonders about amateurs capabilities to respond to: A large aircraft dropping into the centre of a capital city Tsunami hitting the Gold Coast or other large cities Terrorist activities etc etc etc Question. There used to be an advisory committee composed of amateurs who sat down with the ACA and decided what action if any to take against amateurs who stepped over the line. I wonder if such mechanisms still exist ? If they don't then perhaps they should. ... clipped Yes it does, it's called the WIA/ACMA Liaison Committee - details on the WIA www-page. As punishment for past "crimes", yours truly is a member. To respond to other related posts, the first step is a "quiet word" and if this doesn't work, then written record of date, time, callsigns, etc submitted via the Liaison Committee and/or direct to ACMA is step two. The ACMA do respond to documented persistent problems, but without making a "Ben Hur" scale production of it all. Thanks for that, it appears that some things are still working as they should be :)))))))) Finally, an observation, seems to me that many established operators perhaps tend to ignore newcomers as a response to "f*&% off, old-fart" reactions. Many would only be repeating what they've said many times on other frequencies unfortunately. I had a whole host of amateurs assist me in so many ways after I got my license , but that was many years ago and many are now silent keys. I still have a great deal of respect for them. When the new generation falls off its perch, I wonder if they'll be referred to as silent mics ?:)) Cheers Jim VK4BBG |
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On Fri, 10 Mar 2006, Caveat Lector wrote: You could hear the same thing 30 years ago - always a few bad apples on the bands. I remember reading an editorial in QST decades ago complaining about bad behavior, band language, bad operationg procedure. On the side, I've been reading a lot of ancient history and medieval history. There were a lot of comments written down by people about bad language, lying, theiving, all manner of misbehaviors going back thousands of years. ===== no change to below, included for reference and context ===== By in large, Amateur Radio Operators are very well behaved and courteous. Why don't you tell us what they do doing emergencies instead of singling out a few bad incidents ? BTW an Armature can be found in motors and generators (;-) -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! "bulfrog" wrote in message ... Cosmo wrote: I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF Well the other night I heard an *F-call* threatening another amateur on 80mt . . then he read out his name and address just like you used to hear on CB. And what he read out was obtainable on the ACMA website. Yes we have taken a big step backwards. |
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Something tells me that this didn't begin in Southern California, although
we've been accused of it the last thirty years (and then some). The banter on this NNTP-feed sounds so familiar, I almost feel as though I know everyone here!!! HF bands, like any other band when popular (i.e. skip, et al) get crowded, and hams "electronically-elbow" each other at times. (Yes, people were more polite once upon a time.) Best thing to do is stay out of each other's ways -- in Los Angeles, we have one main (2m) repeater where people "do their thing," and the users of other repeaters usually lock that frequency (147.435 MHz) out of their radios, for fear that their ears may fall off. Many HF locals here know each other by their VHF personas, and it can be downhill from there. If anyone finds such a repeater or user group objectionable, then consider not having a toilet. (No loo = poo.) Some hams need playgrounds, and we should all be glad that they're the http://www.435.org HF, unfortunately doesn't have any such groups as of yet to confine their activities to any particular place. (To my knowledge, anyway. Though the AMers of yore had some solidarity against the SSBers.) Repeaters are communities ("virtual communities" of perhaps the oldest electronic network still in existance), and therefore, have their own "community standards." And ham radio is also a hobby that we've probably all taken too seriously at times. 73s, all... ....Dave, N6BHU On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Graeme Koch wrote: I have also heard this same type of behaviour on a Melbourne repeater just 3 days back and it involved 2 full call operators at first, then another operator joined them and tried to quell the situation but without any luck. I myself have just joined the amateur ranks and was very disapointed to hear this sort of thing happening, this is something I would have expected to hear on the CB bands, but not on amateur radio. I can only hope this was an isolated incident as I achieved my licence to get away from this type of activity. Cheers and 73`s to all. Graeme VK3FTTG "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF |
Armature radio's threat from within
Dave I hate to tell you but we have one in Vancovuer, Canada as well. So
it's not just Southern California that has the problem with fowl mouth operators. I was making adelivery in Vancouver, British Columbia when I dialed into one of the local 2 meter repeaters and I couldn't believe my ears. The language was so fowl that I've removed that frequency from all my radios. Like yourself I though I was listening to the CB in the truck in stead of a amateur radio repeater. I'm a truck drive and ruff language is part of the trade, but not on the air ways and least of not on amateur radio. I've been involved with amateur radio for 43 years and yes I had a CB license back when we had to pay for them too. In the old days it was a required item in a truck and it still is if you do the I-5 corridor from the Canadian border down and back once a week. Let's face California produce is a hot commodity in Canada, we don't grow oranges up here, something to do with the misquitoes the size of humming birds, hi hi. But like your problem in southern Cal, we have almost the same thing in souther BC, sadly do say. I remember when this paticular repeater VE7RAG use to be the one to have good contacts on. For an old truck driver it was a God sent when I couldn't find the place I had to deliver too, all it took was a "anyone know where this place is" and my call and I would have people climbing all over each other to tell you where and how to get to it. But now, forget it, the polite curtious operators have all but given up on this repeater. I can only hope they clean it up before 2010 when the Winter Olympics are on, it would not be a nice picture to paint for our hobby and for Canada's reputation either. I remember the days when you didn't dare make a mistake and let a swear word out over the air. You would get a citation in the mail registered and a knock on your door by DOC (Canadian version of the FCC) to inspect your station. Too many budget cuts have turned our hobby into the next CB band(s) I'm sad to say. 73 all...de ve7agw Al "Dave Hildebrand" wrote in message enga.com... Something tells me that this didn't begin in Southern California, although we've been accused of it the last thirty years (and then some). The banter on this NNTP-feed sounds so familiar, I almost feel as though I know everyone here!!! HF bands, like any other band when popular (i.e. skip, et al) get crowded, and hams "electronically-elbow" each other at times. (Yes, people were more polite once upon a time.) Best thing to do is stay out of each other's ways -- in Los Angeles, we have one main (2m) repeater where people "do their thing," and the users of other repeaters usually lock that frequency (147.435 MHz) out of their radios, for fear that their ears may fall off. Many HF locals here know each other by their VHF personas, and it can be downhill from there. If anyone finds such a repeater or user group objectionable, then consider not having a toilet. (No loo = poo.) Some hams need playgrounds, and we should all be glad that they're the http://www.435.org HF, unfortunately doesn't have any such groups as of yet to confine their activities to any particular place. (To my knowledge, anyway. Though the AMers of yore had some solidarity against the SSBers.) Repeaters are communities ("virtual communities" of perhaps the oldest electronic network still in existance), and therefore, have their own "community standards." And ham radio is also a hobby that we've probably all taken too seriously at times. 73s, all... ...Dave, N6BHU On Sat, 11 Mar 2006, Graeme Koch wrote: I have also heard this same type of behaviour on a Melbourne repeater just 3 days back and it involved 2 full call operators at first, then another operator joined them and tried to quell the situation but without any luck. I myself have just joined the amateur ranks and was very disapointed to hear this sort of thing happening, this is something I would have expected to hear on the CB bands, but not on amateur radio. I can only hope this was an isolated incident as I achieved my licence to get away from this type of activity. Cheers and 73`s to all. Graeme VK3FTTG "Cosmo" wrote in message u... I'm currently listening to 7.070Mhz. The time is 19:20EDT I find the operations by some licensed amateurs and perhaps a pirate station is just appalling. Operators and I use the word loosely, making threats at each other, whistling over each other and discussing tracking operators down to sort them out! It sounded like the 27Mhz CB band back in the mid seventies. I can remember when amateurs took pride in their operating practices and gentlemanly behaviour. If this what it is to become why would anyone be attracted to the hobby unless perhaps they are an ignorant thugs. It appears to me and I know I will be condemned for this, but we seem to have accepting lower standards in more ways than we expected. I believe that simply ignoring these operating practices and these operators will allow segments of the bands to become no go ghettos. A completely unacceptable and un-Australian outcome. I also believe that the looming threat to this great hobby come from within as mach as from outside forces, and there fore suggest that something akin to intruder watch be applied to monitoring amateur operations as I think the authorities response will be that we need to self regulate. I am offering this observation for discussion and we be keen to see what others think! Cheers Peter VK3YSF |
Armature radio's threat from within
Big Al wrote: Dave I hate to tell you but we have one in Vancovuer, Canada as well. So I remember the days when you didn't dare make a mistake and let a swear word out over the air. You would get a citation in the mail registered and a knock on your door by DOC (Canadian version of the FCC) to inspect your station. Too many budget cuts have turned our hobby into the next CB band(s) I'm sad to say. nice to hear that the ARS is chatching up a bit to reality if ever did cath up that would certainly imporve its chnaces of surviving 73 all...de ve7agw Al |
Armature radio's threat from within
ass****ed by an old friend wrote: nice to hear that the ARS is chatching up a bit to reality if ever did cath up that would certainly imporve its chnaces of surviving What do you care, all you can get is the training weheel no code tech, loser. |
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an old freind wrote: wrote: ass****ed by an old friend wrote: nice to hear that the ARS is chatching up a bit to reality if ever did cath up that would certainly imporve its chnaces of surviving What do you care, all you can get is the training wheel no code tech, loser. not for long wismen Yes, forever, since can't pass the code nor the theory. I knwo you care only about what you can foul plenty have proven that for I know you've been jamming on HF, Markie! |
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Armature radio's threat from within
Billy Smith wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: I know you've been jamming on HF, Markie! Say what 2 Test? Are you saying that others have been jamming on HF? Weren't you the guy with the retest letters from Riley? When you were jamming 20 meters with your filth. Pot Kettle black, hypocrite, two faced. no no you do missunderstand Billy look at the name he is using " marky_morgan_internet_retard" he is confessingto HIS jamming on HF (since he sometimes thinks he is Mark Morgan) it is a little break for him but it is a start on the long that could lead to something of a live for him I missed myself so don't feel bad |
Armature radio's threat from within
Billy "training wheel tech because he's too stupid and lazy to get cw" Smith wrote: wrote: ass****ed by an old friend wrote: nice to hear that the ARS is chatching up a bit to reality if ever did cath up that would certainly imporve its chnaces of surviving What do you care, all you can get is the training weheel no code tech, loser. What is a "training weheel"? You mean "wheel" don't you? What's : BILLY SMITH STEPS ON HIS OWN DICK THUSLY WITH THESE ****-UPS: Billy "Dumbass who can't put together a sentence" Smith shows off those English skills, quite ironically in .net: "That's interesting there idiot. I bet you really did flunk high school math and probably elementary too. Oh thats right, wasn't that when was in Floriduh. Spelled Florida but the DUH is for your Dumb Ass." "wasn't that when was in Floriduh" - Billy makes good **** up! Billy "shoots" himself in his palsied club foot once again in Message-ID .net: "Roger, shots himself in the foot" Billy the illiterate retard Smith screws up again, and his illiteracy is exposed. "It serves him right." .net: "Deserves him right." Billy "retard" Smith confesses to his generally accepted retarded status in . net: "I'm a general retard. bwhahaha" Billy "spelling champ of the general retards" Smith admits his bad hygiene but is still in denial about his English skills in . net "Sure I can spell and smell." "Billy" the NOtwordSmith ****s up again with this incompete sentence in et: "So when you got divorced boy, did your finally figure out that your more" Billy "cumgargler" Smith managed to awaken from his drunken stupor to slobber in : "Isn't that you mom weighed" Mr."Education" Billy Smith steps on his own dick again when he talks about others' "educations" (or educatiion" as he spells it) in t: "Uh, huh. Right LOSER. Still smoking that dope again? By the way how is your so called educatiion actually doing for you? Those online classes." Billy Smith shows off his Pulitzer Prize writing skills in t: "You're whole life has been exhaled before." Billy "illiterate retard" Smith spikes the "HUH?" factor in this slobbering in .net: "Come on, do it just have you some spiked Kool Aid." "Didn't" your special-Ed teacher teach you how to spell, Billy? in k.net: "...didnt Marie teach you to play nice" "Rhodes scholar" Billy Lardass Davies Smith blunders and blows his cover again in . net: "Rhode's scholar Scheissman blows his cover again." Billy "dumbass" Smith steps on his own tiny dick when he tries to criticize others' typos,but he doesn't "perform" well as usual with his blatant "stupidity" in . net: "Noteed!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bwhahahahahahah. You're a brilliant one Scheissman. You even peform stupid acts on your blatant stupidty" Billy "dropout Lardass" Smith steps on his own dick when he tries to comment on others' spelling abilities, but he "can't" do any better in Message-ID: . net: "Woger cant spell very well anyway." |
Armature radio's threat from within
Billy "jams on Huntsville repeaters" Smith wrote: wrote: an old freind wrote: wrote: ass****ed by an old friend wrote: nice to hear that the ARS is chatching up a bit to reality if ever did cath up that would certainly imporve its chnaces of surviving What do you care, all you can get is the training wheel no code tech, loser. not for long wismen Yes, forever, since can't pass the code nor the theory. I knwo you care only about what you can foul plenty have proven that for I know you've been jamming on HF, Markie! Say what 2 Test? What's "2 Test?" Oh, that's right, Roger Wiseman did something you couldn't do in the first place, pass the CW and General license exams (even twice, you can't pass them the first time!) and upgrade to Extra class. Funny how the retest letter from the FCC gave no such reason. You need to work on your reading comprehension, Lardass, you'll aways be a loser pizza boy. And a no code loser. |
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ass****ed by an old freind wrote:
no no Poor Markie, he was caught jamming for real and now wants to weasel his way out of it. Oh, and by your logic, you admitted you have jammed, Markie. |
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Armature radio's threat from within
sodomized by an old freind, his daddy wrote:
wrote: ass****ed by an old freind wrote: no no Poor Markie, he was caught jamming for real and now wants to weasel his way out of it. if I had there would an FCC letter the only one of us to recieve such a missive is YOU wismen Wrong as usual, retard. You can't read, can you? Oh, and by your logic, you admitted you have jammed, Markie. nope Yep. |
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Not Cocksucker Lloyd wrote: sodomized by an old freind, his daddy wrote: wrote: ass****ed by an old freind wrote: no no Poor Markie, he was caught jamming for real and now wants to weasel his way out of it. if I had there would an FCC letter the only one of us to recieve such a missive is YOU wismen Wrong as usual, retard. nope You can't read, can you? I can read I could even read a lette from the FCC but the only leters I havereceived fro the fcc continained coies of my Ham license Oh, and by your logic, you admitted you have jammed, Markie. nope Yep. nope but you re the known jamer wismen indeed you are enging in online jamming on a near daily basis get help |
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