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nntp.aioe.org September 9th 06 03:26 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.

Because, although the bulk of our circuit complexity
will soon lie in a single DSP chip, the interfaces to that chip,
to us at the baseband end and then to the antenna at the RF end,
still depend upon traditional electronic (pre-IC) practice.

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?

How, then, can it ever be possible to issue Ham Radio
licences to those of 6 years of age who lack the mathematical
capability to understand the evaluation of resistances in parallel?

The answer is, that it cannot be possible, and that licences
issued to such people are CB licences, no more, no less.

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.



G1LVN September 9th 06 03:38 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

nntp.aioe.org wrote:

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.


Haven't we Bean through this already?


Tim Wescott September 9th 06 03:46 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
G1LVN wrote:

nntp.aioe.org wrote:

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.



Haven't we Bean through this already?

Someone forgot to take his meds.

It would be nice if my newsreader could pick out an author from the text
for automatic plonking, instead of having to chase behind catching up on
all of his aliases.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

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See details at http://www.wescottdesign.com/actfes/actfes.html

Mike Gathergood (G4KFK) September 9th 06 04:29 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

nntp.aioe.org wrote:
How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?


Resistors may be inserted either way around :-)


Steve September 9th 06 04:38 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
nntp.aioe.org wrote:

Because, although the bulk of our circuit complexity
will soon lie in a single DSP chip, the interfaces to that chip,
to us at the baseband end and then to the antenna at the RF end,
still depend upon traditional electronic (pre-IC) practice.

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?


Gareth, would you please enlighten me. Apart from reading the value and,
for aesthetic reasons - what is the difference between the two ends?


Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.


WTF has software and DSP theory got to do with it? Apart from your
egotistical desire to score points that is. Though, on past form, you
don't seem to come out too well when you discuss your theories with
people that do know what they are talking about.

I might suggest that construction of aerials, amplifiers etc., and the
knowledge to predict propagation modes and then utilise that knowledge
to make contacts with people far away is just as valid as knowing one
end of a resistor from the other.

Or a multitude of other reasons why people become radio amateurs given
that this is such a diverse hobby.

Steve.





G1LVN September 9th 06 04:39 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

Mike Gathergood (G4KFK) wrote:
nntp.aioe.org wrote:
How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?


Resistors may be inserted either way around :-)


Nah the gold end should always be reverse biased, stops the heat bands
by a couple of bottleBells ;-)


Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI September 9th 06 05:27 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
on 09/09/2006 15:26 Gareth Anus Evans slurred drunkenly:
crap snipped
How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?

YAWN! STILL banging on about your polarised resistors?

How, then, can it ever be possible to issue Ham Radio
licences to those of 6 years of age who lack the mathematical
capability to understand the evaluation of resistances in parallel?

The answer is, that it cannot be possible, and that licences
issued to such people are CB licences, no more, no less.

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.

Beanie, if a **** like you can pass the RAE the average 6 year old
should have no problem at all. You did sit the RAE yourself, I assume?
....(_!_)...

John September 9th 06 05:36 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"Mike Gathergood (G4KFK)" wrote in message
oups.com...

nntp.aioe.org wrote:
How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?


Resistors may be inserted either way around :-)


Surely you must know that in Chippenham they have polarised Resistors.

Stupid Boy!



Brian Reay September 9th 06 06:49 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"Steve" wrote in message
. uk...

I might suggest that construction of aerials, amplifiers etc., and the
knowledge to predict propagation modes and then utilise that knowledge to
make contacts with people far away is just as valid as knowing one end of
a resistor from the other.

Or a multitude of other reasons why people become radio amateurs given
that this is such a diverse hobby.


Good advice Steve. There are even people who buy s/h homebrew equipment (eg
a QRP radio) at rallies and probably take great delight in using it.

--
73
Brian
www.g8osn.org.uk





If M3 is the answer, it's a silly question! September 9th 06 06:52 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
"nntp.aioe.org" wrote in message
...
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.


One traditional area that I did not mention, but perhaps should
have done, was the tradition of gentlemanly conduct, a tradition
that is seen to be lacking in _ALL_ those who have responded
to this thread.

All have responded as Childish Broadcasters (CBers) with
gratuitous and infantile personal remarks.

Shame on you all. You do nothing for the PR of Ham Radio.



Steve September 9th 06 07:55 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
If M3 is the answer, it's a silly question! wrote:
"nntp.aioe.org" wrote in message
...

I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.



One traditional area that I did not mention, but perhaps should
have done, was the tradition of gentlemanly conduct, a tradition
that is seen to be lacking in _ALL_ those who have responded
to this thread.


Considering your past form and your obvious desire to create argument, I
think that all who have so far responded have done so in a measured and
reasonable way. It seems that you are the odd one out (again).

You have not told me the difference between one end of a resistor and
the other despite my polite, earnest, request for more information. To
ignore a straightforward question like this is, IMO, very ungentlemanly
and against the spirit of amateur radio - especially as you introduced
the subject.

All have responded as Childish Broadcasters (CBers) with
gratuitous and infantile personal remarks.


Nothing childish about my question at all. Nothing gratuitous either.
You as the "know it all" of amateur radio make rash statements then fall
back to slagging off everyone who replies by abuse.

Shame on you all. You do nothing for the PR of Ham Radio.


And what exactly is your input to the PR of amateur radio? Oh Sorry!, I
forgot that you don't like to answer questions about your rash
statements... I must have been having a Childish Broadcaster moment.

Steve

Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI September 9th 06 08:37 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
on 09/09/2006 18:52 Gareth Anus Evans under yet another silly sock
puppet said the following:
One traditional area that I did not mention, but perhaps should
have done, was the tradition of gentlemanly conduct, a tradition
that is seen to be lacking in _ALL_ those who have responded
to this thread.

All have responded as Childish Broadcasters (CBers) with
gratuitous and infantile personal remarks.

Shame on you all. You do nothing for the PR of Ham Radio.


OK Beanie, check this out for 'PR' :

FOAD, ****

....(_!_)...

Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham September 10th 06 09:26 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"If M3 is the answer, it's a silly question!" wrote in
message ...
"nntp.aioe.org" wrote in message
...
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.


One traditional area that I did not mention, but perhaps should
have done, was the tradition of gentlemanly conduct, a tradition
that is seen to be lacking in _ALL_ those who have responded
to this thread.

All have responded as Childish Broadcasters (CBers) with
gratuitous and infantile personal remarks.

Shame on you all. You do nothing for the PR of Ham Radio.


An example of "gratuitous and infantile personal remarks" is the litany
of rudeness coming from the pen of G8IZY. I do not know this
person, and have not dealt with him before,and yet he has
originated a tirade of abusive remarks that are unrelated
to this thread, and unrelated to any behaviour of mine

Gratuitous use of "WTF" is indicative of a _VERY_ childish outburst.

Shame on him...

"WTF has software and DSP theory got to do with it? Apart from your
egotistical desire to score points that is. Though, on past form, you
don't seem to come out too well when you discuss your theories with
people that do know what they are talking about.

-----ooooo-----

Considering your past form and your obvious desire to create argument, I
think that all who have so far responded have done so in a measured and
reasonable way. It seems that you are the odd one out (again).

-----ooooo-----

You have not told me the difference between one end of a resistor and
the other despite my polite, earnest, request for more information. To
ignore a straightforward question like this is, IMO, very ungentlemanly
and against the spirit of amateur radio - especially as you introduced
the subject.

-----00000-----

You as the "know it all" of amateur radio make rash statements then fall
back to slagging off everyone who replies by abuse.

-----ooooo-----


And what exactly is your input to the PR of amateur radio? Oh Sorry!, I
forgot that you don't like to answer questions about your rash
statements... I must have been having a Childish Broadcaster moment. "



Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham September 10th 06 09:41 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...
-----ooooo-----

You have not told me the difference between one end of a resistor and
the other despite my polite, earnest, request for more information. To
ignore a straightforward question like this is, IMO, very ungentlemanly
and against the spirit of amateur radio - especially as you introduced
the subject.

-----00000-----


G8IZY seems to be asking me why I fail to respond to questions that are put
to me by those whose style is indicative of a childish disposition wishing
to
cause insult. I think the answer to that seeming question is in the question
itself.

Such childish outbursts do nothng for the PR of Ham Radio and should
be ignored.




William E. Sabin September 10th 06 10:41 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
In addition to the properties and usage of basic discrete components (still
very important) and the appreciation of fundamental principles (from an
introductory mathematical perspective) of electronics, there is an
increasing interest in the use of integrated circuits, especially at low and
intermediate signal levels. It is seldom necessary to be an expert at the
inner workings of these ICs, but the ability to understand their data sheets
and how to employ and interconnect them is a skill that is very useful.

We probably could be tested a little regarding the basic usage of certain
kinds of ICs such as opamp, multiplier and DSP types.

Bill W0IYH

"nntp.aioe.org" wrote in message
...
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.

Because, although the bulk of our circuit complexity
will soon lie in a single DSP chip, the interfaces to that chip,
to us at the baseband end and then to the antenna at the RF end,
still depend upon traditional electronic (pre-IC) practice.

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?

How, then, can it ever be possible to issue Ham Radio
licences to those of 6 years of age who lack the mathematical
capability to understand the evaluation of resistances in parallel?

The answer is, that it cannot be possible, and that licences
issued to such people are CB licences, no more, no less.

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.





matt vk3zmw September 10th 06 10:47 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Mostly at the local cemetery.

huLLy September 10th 06 11:10 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:


And what exactly is your input to the PR of amateur radio? Oh Sorry!,
I forgot that you don't like to answer questions about your rash
statements... I must have been having a Childish Broadcaster moment. "


I'm confused - has the Court ordered that you bottom post?
--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
villageidiot(at)sheepandmeths.co.uk
ICQ 136-987-925



Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI September 10th 06 11:23 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
on 10/09/2006 11:10 huLLy said the following:
Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:

And what exactly is your input to the PR of amateur radio? Oh Sorry!,
I forgot that you don't like to answer questions about your rash
statements... I must have been having a Childish Broadcaster moment. "


I'm confused - has the Court ordered that you bottom post?

Since he's known as The Anus (among many other things) he has a duty to
bottom post.
--
;-)
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
http://turner-smith.co.uk

Steve September 10th 06 11:34 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
huLLy wrote:
Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:


And what exactly is your input to the PR of amateur radio? Oh Sorry!,
I forgot that you don't like to answer questions about your rash
statements... I must have been having a Childish Broadcaster moment. "



I'm confused - has the Court ordered that you bottom post?


Bottom posted or top posted, it's still the same old garbage ;-)

Steve

Steve September 10th 06 11:59 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:
"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...

-----ooooo-----

You have not told me the difference between one end of a resistor and
the other despite my polite, earnest, request for more information. To
ignore a straightforward question like this is, IMO, very ungentlemanly
and against the spirit of amateur radio - especially as you introduced
the subject.

-----00000-----



G8IZY seems to be asking me why I fail to respond to questions that are put
to me by those whose style is indicative of a childish disposition wishing
to
cause insult. I think the answer to that seeming question is in the question
itself.

Such childish outbursts do nothng for the PR of Ham Radio and should
be ignored.



I repeat my question word for word;

"Gareth, would you please enlighten me. Apart from reading the value
and, for aesthetic reasons - what is the difference between the two ends?"

That seems like a reasonable question to me. Perhaps you are unable to
answer it because you don't know the answer despite your statement;

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?


I'm still waiting.

Steve




Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham September 10th 06 12:20 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Indeed so. It is the interest and understanding of how devices
of all types function and how to interact with their interfaces
that is the fundamental skill of Ham Radio; a fundamental skill
that is markedly lacking in the CB-like licences issued today,
in particular the M3/CB Fools' Licence of Britland.

When the man-in-the-street can buy an off the shelf radio enabling
him to talk to the whole world, a GSM phone, what difference is
to be perceived from a Radio Ham who seems to do the same -
buys his rigs off-the-shelf and returns them to the shop if needing
repair?

I believe that it is very necessary that we revert the qualifications
for Ham Radio to an understandng of technical matters before
we become perceived as just another consumerist pastime by
the powers-that-be, and our jealously gained privileges are lost.

"William E. Sabin" wrote in message
news:V4RMg.39723$aJ.14372@attbi_s21...
In addition to the properties and usage of basic discrete components
(still very important) and the appreciation of fundamental principles
(from an introductory mathematical perspective) of electronics, there is
an increasing interest in the use of integrated circuits, especially at
low and intermediate signal levels. It is seldom necessary to be an
expert at the inner workings of these ICs, but the ability to understand
their data sheets and how to employ and interconnect them is a skill that
is very useful.

We probably could be tested a little regarding the basic usage of certain
kinds of ICs such as opamp, multiplier and DSP types.

Bill W0IYH

"nntp.aioe.org" wrote in message
...
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.

Because, although the bulk of our circuit complexity
will soon lie in a single DSP chip, the interfaces to that chip,
to us at the baseband end and then to the antenna at the RF end,
still depend upon traditional electronic (pre-IC) practice.

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?

How, then, can it ever be possible to issue Ham Radio
licences to those of 6 years of age who lack the mathematical
capability to understand the evaluation of resistances in parallel?

The answer is, that it cannot be possible, and that licences
issued to such people are CB licences, no more, no less.

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.







John September 10th 06 12:26 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...


Crap cut.


Has anyone noticed how he has become an "Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham"

That means he is not a " _REAL_ Radio Ham"



John September 10th 06 12:30 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"John" wrote in message
...

"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...


Crap cut.


Has anyone noticed how he has become an "Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham"

That means he is not a " _REAL_ Radio Ham"



Of course many would say that an M3 is an "Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham".

I can only assume that Gareth has decided to become a FL Holder.

Well done Gareth - scored another home goal!





Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham September 10th 06 12:40 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
I feel that I must apologise for the crocodile of immature
and abusive children who dog my every effort on Usenet,
and in particular who have tried to reduce this thread to
an issuance from the cess-pit.

I have been on Usenet since 1994. In that time I have contributed
many articles on my stance towards maintaining the technical and
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio. For my pains I have
picked up a series of unpleasant individuals (who illustrate
very well the unacceptable decline in standards?) who resort
to the most grossly offensive and gratuitously insulting outbursts
unrelated to anything that I have ever said or done.

I have _NEVER_ originated any personal attacks on anybody. I am,
however, only human, and have replied on occasion, but only in
defensive indignance.

I have _NEVER_ published any articles intended to annoy people
or to provoke them. Everything that I have published has been
a sincere expression of my stance on a number of areas, liberalism,
republicanism, pacifism, poetry, atheism, anti-plod violence, Ham Radio.

I have never claimed to be omniscient; indeed, when there have areas
in which I have been unable to understand things, I have posted
queries.

I have on several occasions chastised those who use an international
forum such as Usenet to publish infantile insulting tirades. I shall
continue to do so.

"William E. Sabin" wrote in message
news:V4RMg.39723$aJ.14372@attbi_s21...
In addition to the properties and usage of basic discrete components
(still very important) and the appreciation of fundamental principles
(from an introductory mathematical perspective) of electronics, there is
an increasing interest in the use of integrated circuits, especially at
low and intermediate signal levels. It is seldom necessary to be an
expert at the inner workings of these ICs, but the ability to understand
their data sheets and how to employ and interconnect them is a skill that
is very useful.

We probably could be tested a little regarding the basic usage of certain
kinds of ICs such as opamp, multiplier and DSP types.

Bill W0IYH

"nntp.aioe.org" wrote in message
...
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.

Because, although the bulk of our circuit complexity
will soon lie in a single DSP chip, the interfaces to that chip,
to us at the baseband end and then to the antenna at the RF end,
still depend upon traditional electronic (pre-IC) practice.

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?

How, then, can it ever be possible to issue Ham Radio
licences to those of 6 years of age who lack the mathematical
capability to understand the evaluation of resistances in parallel?

The answer is, that it cannot be possible, and that licences
issued to such people are CB licences, no more, no less.

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.







Jim GM4DHJ September 10th 06 03:23 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Singing on air
Starting silly clubs
Buying black boxes
Swearing on air
Feeling persecuted
inventing new ways of spelling
inventing new Grammar styles
using CB lingo on the former ham bands



deBaser September 10th 06 03:40 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"Jim GM4DHJ" wrote in message
...
Singing on air
Starting silly clubs
Buying black boxes
Swearing on air
Feeling persecuted
inventing new ways of spelling
inventing new Grammar styles
using CB lingo on the former ham bands


Are you describing your own condition Jim?

Andy



Bowman September 10th 06 07:24 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...
I have _NEVER_ published any articles intended to annoy people
or to provoke them.

Oh really, what about your remarks on the Soham tragedy...and your gloating
at the deaths of servicemen of the very country that pay your
benefits...think again you sick and twisted individual.



G1LVN September 10th 06 08:12 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

Bowman wrote:
"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...
I have _NEVER_ published any articles intended to annoy people
or to provoke them.


Accusing me by name in a post subject line of cancelling his amateur
radio licence on-line....


huLLy September 10th 06 08:27 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
G1LVN wrote:
Bowman wrote:
"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...
I have _NEVER_ published any articles intended to annoy people
or to provoke them.


Accusing me by name in a post subject line of cancelling his amateur
radio licence on-line....


Always wondered who that was ;)
--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
villageidiot(at)sheepandmeths.co.uk
ICQ 136-987-925



PhattyMo September 11th 06 03:31 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
nntp.aioe.org wrote:
I suggest that it still lies in the areas of LC filters, resistor
networks and individual transistor (or valve) operation.

Because, although the bulk of our circuit complexity
will soon lie in a single DSP chip, the interfaces to that chip,
to us at the baseband end and then to the antenna at the RF end,
still depend upon traditional electronic (pre-IC) practice.

How, then, can it be possible to issue Ham Radio licences
to those who cannot tell one end of a resistor from the other?

How, then, can it ever be possible to issue Ham Radio
licences to those of 6 years of age who lack the mathematical
capability to understand the evaluation of resistances in parallel?

The answer is, that it cannot be possible, and that licences
issued to such people are CB licences, no more, no less.

Syllabi for Ham Radio exams should resort to the traditional
subjects of familiarity with elemental electrical and electronic
components together with a modernised examination of the
ability to write software and understanding of DSP theory.




From the posts I've seen all over the 'net lately,I'd suggest the
expertise is in having ****ing contests,and name calling. The "radio"
aspect seems to have been completely forgotten,it's all about how many
different names you can call people on the internet.





Jim GM4DHJ September 11th 06 07:24 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

"deBaser" wrote in message
...

"Jim GM4DHJ" wrote in message
...
Singing on air
Starting silly clubs
Buying black boxes
Swearing on air
Feeling persecuted
inventing new ways of spelling
inventing new Grammar styles
using CB lingo on the former ham bands


Are you describing your own condition Jim?

Andy

no...don't be silly....



Leroy September 11th 06 06:31 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
On Sun, 10 Sep 2006 12:40:48 +0100, Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:

I feel that I must apologise for the crocodile of immature and abusive
children who dog my every effort on Usenet, and in particular who have
tried to reduce this thread to an issuance from the cess-pit.

I have been on Usenet since 1994. In that time I have contributed many
articles on my stance towards maintaining the technical and gentlemanly
traditions of Ham Radio. For my pains I have picked up a series of
unpleasant individuals (who illustrate very well the unacceptable decline
in standards?) who resort to the most grossly offensive and gratuitously
insulting outbursts unrelated to anything that I have ever said or done.

I have _NEVER_ originated any personal attacks on anybody. I am, however,
only human, and have replied on occasion, but only in defensive
indignance.

I have _NEVER_ published any articles intended to annoy people or to
provoke them. Everything that I have published has been a sincere
expression of my stance on a number of areas, liberalism, republicanism,
pacifism, poetry, atheism, anti-plod violence, Ham Radio.

I have never claimed to be omniscient; indeed, when there have areas in
which I have been unable to understand things, I have posted queries.

I have on several occasions chastised those who use an international forum
such as Usenet to publish infantile insulting tirades. I shall continue to
do so.


I started to respond to your "FAQ" and then changed my mind, but your
persistence compels me to respond. I too have been using the 'net for a
considerable time, and FidoNet before that.

Thirty-some odd years ago I became interested in becoming a "ham". Several
years earlier I had built my first receiver and became interested in
electricity at an age when most kids are still trying to get their heads
around "See Spot run."

I met an old ham who gave me stacks of "CQ" magazine and ARRL handbooks,
most of which I read cover to cover. But, things change and I didn't get
my ticket. Eventually I wound up in the Army, working on radar systems
(among other things). I am technically inclined and currently work with
computer hardware.

I never lost interest in radio and have always been involved, one way or
another. Over the last few years I again entertained thoughts about
getting my ticket. But, things seem to have changed...and not necessarilly
for the better.

It seems to me that qualifications have been relaxed. Is this an attempt
to increase participation in an area with declining interest? I don't
know. But I do know a few current hams, and I started reading the
rec.radio.amateur.homebrew newsgroup, going back to Dec. of 2005.

I am sure that there are still many helpful hams who are good people to
know, I've read a number of them in this particular group. Unfortunately,
there seems to also be an increasing number of people whose attitudes are
repellant...including yours.

You rant about "childish insults", and immediately proceed to insult
others in the same manner. You have *your* opinion of what "ham radio" is
(or ought to be), and you announce that you are going to jam it down
everyone's throats whether they like it or not. Frankly, I really don't
see a whole lot of difference between your behaviour and that of some of
those dislikeable individuals on the 11 meter band (which you denigrate
as a whole with your repeated remarks about "Childish Broadcasters"). In
fact, your insistence that your "FAQ" "will not be shouted down" reminds
me very much of the individuals who lock down the key and proclaim "Nobody
is going to talk over me" and proceed to repeat a bunch of gibberish which
serves only to restrict and interfere with civilized conversation.

Though I tend not to participate in the nonsense which occurs in the
"normal" portion of 11 meters there are some good people there, as there
are in other areas of the spectrum and with whom I communicate. And,
despite your assertion to the contrary, there are many of us in and
outside of 11 meters who are interested in how radios work, and who
build/modify and operate our own equipment.

You also assert that "A Ham Radio licence is such a desirable thing to
have...". If it is so "desireable", then why are the standards being
relaxed so as to lower the barrier to entry? In your own "FAQ" you you say
that the standards are now "trivial" and "set for six-year-olds". What
other reason for this could there be besides a declining level of interest?

they are free with rather silly personal insults.


Pot? Kettle? Black?

One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist from the _REAL_
Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the difference between CB Radio
and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will perceive Ham Radio to be a technical
pursuit and will perceive CB Radio to be a social communications
facility


What makes you think that *your* opinion is the only valid opinion? Or,
indeed, that it is valid at all?

Strictly a technical pursuit? Surely you jest. Even in the past when
technical knowledge and code skills were of greater importance, even "ham"
radio was a "social communications facility". The fact that much of the
communication may have been technical in nature in no way lessens the
"social communication" aspect.

There is not today, nor has there ever been, a need to go out
and encourage and press children, children who have never expressed an
interest in Ham Radio, to come into our shacks. Such an activity should
cause eyebrows to be raised - what normal well-adjusted adults seek the
social acquaintance of children?!


What? I'm not even sure how to respond to *this*, except to say that were
it not for adults introducing me to various technical pursuits and
encouraging me to get involved, and teaching me, I would not have
accomplished a fraction of the things I have done over the years.

Please remember that this FAQ is a _POSITIVE EXHORTATION_ to you to
exert yourselves to join our fraternity!


If that is your intent, I think you are falling far short of the mark. In
fact, you have reduced my interest in obtaining an amateur license
practically to zero. Was it Groucho Marx that said "I wouldn't be a member
of any club that would have me"? I think I'll take a "pass" on joining
*your* "fraternity". You've even got me to thinking that maybe the
government(s) should stop wasting money on regulating the amateur bands,
open them up to anyone who cares to operate on them, without restrictions,
and abandon them them, much as they have done with the "CB" band in the US.

I'll continue to operate my radios but I see little point in expending the
effort to get a ham ticket just to encounter the same sort of people that
I can run into on 11 meters with no effort at all.


Say, how are you doing with that question of which end of a resistor is
which? When you get that worked out, perhaps you'd care to comment on the
feasibility of using a tuneable Klystron oscillator to drive a magnetron
in a high-power pulsed RF application.


G1LVN September 11th 06 08:49 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

huLLy wrote:
G1LVN wrote:
Bowman wrote:
"Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham" wrote in message
...
I have _NEVER_ published any articles intended to annoy people
or to provoke them.


Accusing me by name in a post subject line of cancelling his amateur
radio licence on-line....


Always wondered who that was ;)


I rather think it might have been G8DXY ;-)


huLLy September 11th 06 09:43 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
G1LVN wrote:

I rather think it might have been G8DXY ;-)


Let's face it, it could have been any of the 3000 posters that have been
Beaned
--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
villageidiot(at)sheepandmeths.co.uk
ICQ 136-987-925



G1LVN September 11th 06 10:16 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

huLLy wrote:
G1LVN wrote:

I rather think it might have been G8DXY ;-)


Let's face it, it could have been any of the 3000 posters that have been
Beaned
--
huLLy
Tel: 07976 123278
villageidiot(at)sheepandmeths.co.uk
ICQ 136-987-925


not really, only G8DXY would have access to the Ref number on Beanies
Validation Document.


Gareth Alun Evans September 12th 06 07:33 AM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:

Shame on you all. You do nothing for the PR of Ham Radio.


Yes, none of you have tried shouting CQ through the bars of a cell with a
blanket on your head.

I made lots of contacts, mostly boots to the head and handcuff marks to the
wrists.

73's G4SDW



Fred Spectrum September 12th 06 02:43 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
A real QRPer would have used 2 blankets :-)


"Gareth Alun Evans" wrote in message
...
Yes, none of you have tried shouting CQ through the bars of a cell with a
blanket on your head.





BOB \(Bog Off Beanie\) September 12th 06 07:04 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
"Gareth Alun Evans" wrote in message
...
Aspiring _REAL_ Radio Ham wrote:

Shame on you all. You do nothing for the PR of Ham Radio.


Yes, none of you have tried shouting CQ through the bars of a cell with a
blanket on your head.

I made lots of contacts, mostly boots to the head and handcuff marks to
the wrists.

73's G4SDW

ROTFLMAO



Mike Gathergood (G4KFK) September 12th 06 08:38 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 

BOB (Bog Off Beanie) wrote:
ROTFLMAO


This aioe.org server seems to be doing overtime in this ng :-)


Gareth Alun Evans September 12th 06 09:24 PM

Where does the expertise of today's Radio Ham lie?
 
Mike Gathergood (G4KFK) wrote:
BOB (Bog Off Beanie) wrote:
ROTFLMAO


This aioe.org server seems to be doing overtime in this ng :-)


That is a very Cheap ******* (CB) point - you know I don't work!




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