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What do you like best about appliance operating?
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The new radio smell.
Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? SC -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P |
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"What do you like best about appliance operating?" The are wonderful for making dinner, washing the dishes or washing or drying clothes. Colin K7FM |
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Slow Code wrote:
What do you like best about appliance operating? SC Operating the 'big switch' on the chair you are sitting in. |
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Slow wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? I particularly like that the free neutron density is quite low, at least for most white goods. When are you going to stop beating your mother? |
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K7ITM wrote: Slow wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? I particularly like that the free neutron density is quite low, at least for most white goods. When are you going to stop beating your mother? I LIKE APPLIANCE ****ING, WHICH IS WHY SC'S ASS IS SO HOT! |
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"Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... What do you like best about appliance operating? SC The most interseting part of this newgroup is watching Slow Mind posting trolls. |
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"Spokesman" wrote in
: "Slow Code" wrote in message ink.net... What do you like best about appliance operating? SC The most interseting part of this newgroup is watching Slow Mind posting trolls. Pull my finger. SC |
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Slow Code wrote:
What do you like best about appliance operating? All the crotchety old farts are either off somewhere beep-beep-beeping away on CW or bitching to each other on the lower half of the 80m phone band, so it's easy to avoid them and talk to someone who enjoys ham radio as it is instead of whining about how it was. |
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gwatts wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? All the crotchety old farts are either off somewhere beep-beep-beeping away on CW or bitching to each other on the lower half of the 80m phone band, so it's easy to avoid them and talk to someone who enjoys ham radio as it is instead of whining about how it was. Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. SC |
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Slow Code wrote:
gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? All the crotchety old farts are either off somewhere beep-beep-beeping away on CW or bitching to each other on the lower half of the 80m phone band, so it's easy to avoid them and talk to someone who enjoys ham radio as it is instead of whining about how it was. Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. It sounds like you run a lot of 11m, not surprising considering how much you whine, and it's not alternator whine. |
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gwatts wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? All the crotchety old farts are either off somewhere beep-beep-beeping away on CW or bitching to each other on the lower half of the 80m phone band, so it's easy to avoid them and talk to someone who enjoys ham radio as it is instead of whining about how it was. Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. It sounds like you run a lot of 11m, not surprising considering how much you whine, and it's not alternator whine. I only typed like because I knew you would understand that style of communicating. So, after your license came in the mail what I appliance did you decide to buy? MFJ? Alinco? Cobra? SC |
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Slow Code wrote:
Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. It sounds like you run a lot of 11m, not surprising considering how much you whine, and it's not alternator whine. I only typed like because I knew you would understand that style of communicating. So, after your license came in the mail what I appliance did you decide to buy? MFJ? Alinco? Cobra? While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. -Chuck |
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Chuck Harris wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. It sounds like you run a lot of 11m, not surprising considering how much you whine, and it's not alternator whine. I only typed like because I knew you would understand that style of communicating. So, after your license came in the mail what I appliance did you decide to buy? MFJ? Alinco? Cobra? While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. -Chuck Are conversations on repeaters as technical as they were twenty-five years ago? Me? I hear no-codes and nickle extras arguing how long a half wave dipole should be. SC |
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Slow Code wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote in While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. -Chuck Are conversations on repeaters as technical as they were twenty-five years ago? Oh, easily. 25 years ago, technical conversations were dominated by such earth shatteringly important stuff as having a ham down at the repeater site helping other hams tune their transmitters to be on frequency. Other wonderkind were hitting the repeater with a full quieting signal, and turning their power up to try and get a better signal to that DX mobile that breaking up. If it wasn't that, it was an endless sea of autopatches calling the xyl to tell her that traffic was bad, could she start dinner... or ordering pizza. Me? I hear no-codes and nickle extras arguing how long a half wave dipole should be. I heard the same things 25 years ago from Generals that got their licenses at the offices of the FCC. Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. -Chuck |
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Chuck Harris wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: Chuck Harris wrote in While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. -Chuck Are conversations on repeaters as technical as they were twenty-five years ago? Oh, easily. 25 years ago, technical conversations were dominated by such earth shatteringly important stuff as having a ham down at the repeater site helping other hams tune their transmitters to be on frequency. Other wonderkind were hitting the repeater with a full quieting signal, and turning their power up to try and get a better signal to that DX mobile that breaking up. If it wasn't that, it was an endless sea of autopatches calling the xyl to tell her that traffic was bad, could she start dinner... or ordering pizza. Me? I hear no-codes and nickle extras arguing how long a half wave dipole should be. I heard the same things 25 years ago from Generals that got their licenses at the offices of the FCC. Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. -Chuck Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? SC |
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Slow Code wrote:
Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. -Chuck Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? Oh, I agree, but if you do too, then I have trouble understanding why you are ragging on folks that are using store bought radios. -Chuck |
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"Slow Code" wrote in message link.net... Chuck Harris wrote in : Slow Code wrote: Chuck Harris wrote in While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. -Chuck Are conversations on repeaters as technical as they were twenty-five years ago? Oh, easily. 25 years ago, technical conversations were dominated by such earth shatteringly important stuff as having a ham down at the repeater site helping other hams tune their transmitters to be on frequency. Other wonderkind were hitting the repeater with a full quieting signal, and turning their power up to try and get a better signal to that DX mobile that breaking up. If it wasn't that, it was an endless sea of autopatches calling the xyl to tell her that traffic was bad, could she start dinner... or ordering pizza. Me? I hear no-codes and nickle extras arguing how long a half wave dipole should be. I heard the same things 25 years ago from Generals that got their licenses at the offices of the FCC. Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. -Chuck Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? SC SC, tell us all, and don't lie. Do you not agree that a LOT of hams today were CB'ers in the '70's and chose to advance their radio skills by advancing to ham radio? If you disagree, then 1) you're a liar, and 2) did this not help the service? And thusly, if you disagree I suspect you fit into this mold, and choose to deny your past. |
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Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? SC Dear Slow, I'm a new ham. I passed my Novice Exams in November of 1986, so in Ham Years, I'm a new ham. What do I like best about appliance operating? I like the features and the ease of cleanup. The new GE range we have allows me to scroll up to the desired operating temperature, and push the "ON" button. Then "Pre" is shown on the temp readout until the oven comes up to temperature. And the smooth glass stove top is a snap to cleanup. If something should boil over, you don't have to lift up the burners and take the spill pans out, etc. Just a quick wipe with a damp dish cloth. It doesn't get much better than that. Thanks for asking. |
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When you passed the FCC exam - you are an Amateur Radio Operator period --
plain and simple. Whether you passed a 20 wpm code test or no code - you are a Ham Whether you had to draw the schematic for a Colpitts Oscillator or not - you are a Ham Whether you faced the steely-eyed FCC examiner or a VE -- you are a Ham Those who say otherwise are shrouded in elitism and a synonym for elitism is snobbery - plain and simple This is 2006, not 1920 CL |
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Caveat Lector wrote: When you passed the FCC exam - you are an Amateur Radio Operator period -- plain and simple. Whether you passed a 20 wpm code test or no code - you are a Ham Whether you had to draw the schematic for a Colpitts Oscillator or not - you are a Ham Whether you faced the steely-eyed FCC examiner or a VE -- you are a Ham Those who say otherwise are shrouded in elitism and a synonym for elitism is snobbery - plain and simple This is 2006, not 1920 CL You got that right. |
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Slow Code wrote:
Chuck Harris wrote in : Slow Code wrote: Chuck Harris wrote in While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK That's not the case when I operate Morse Code. How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I don't remember that at all. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. There were good and bad rigs then as well as now. Are conversations on repeaters as technical as they were twenty-five years ago? Oh, easily. 25 years ago, technical conversations were dominated by such earth shatteringly important stuff as having a ham down at the repeater site helping other hams tune their transmitters to be on frequency. Other wonderkind were hitting the repeater with a full quieting signal, and turning their power up to try and get a better signal to that DX mobile that breaking up. If it wasn't that, it was an endless sea of autopatches calling the xyl to tell her that traffic was bad, could she start dinner... or ordering pizza. Me? I hear no-codes and nickle extras arguing how long a half wave dipole should be. I heard the same things 25 years ago from Generals that got their licenses at the offices of the FCC. Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. Do you mean the License Manual? It did not have the exact questions and answers in it. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Yes they are! Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? *BOTH* are important. If you're not running a homebrew or at least home-assembled rig, who are you to call someone else an appliance operator? What good are technical *discussions* if they don't translate into actual working radio systems? |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
wrote: Slow Code wrote: Chuck Harris wrote in : Slow Code wrote: Chuck Harris wrote in While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK That's not the case when I operate Morse Code. I have listened to hundreds of CW contacts, and the above is mostly the norm. I exaggerate a bit, but it is rare that anyone talks about anything other than a few very simple things. I have yet to listen to a complex conversation on CW... The most complicated thing I have heard is W1AW code practice, and some of the traffic nets. Listening is one thing, participating is another. I've had many, many CW QSOs that were far more complex than your example. Discussions of rigs, antennas, jobs, family, plans for the near future (vacation, home improvement, etc.), experiences in the other's location, and much more. The stereotypical hello/goodbye QSO is usually the result of these factors: poor conditions, unskilled operator(s), nature of the QSO (DX, contest, just checking a new rig) Of course somebody has to initiate - to say something beyond hello... How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? Well, I don't know about you. But for me, knowing Morse Code meant I could build and use simple(r) radio systems to try out an idea. If someone who isn't a trained electronics person wants to design and build their amateur radio station, what sort of project should they build? A complete multiband SSB transceiver? Or a simple CW rig? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I don't remember that at all. Well, you wouldn't if you spent all of your time on CW. Good point! Things are very polite on those subbands. Isn't that a reason to promote the mode? If however, you ever listened to 20 meters around 14.313, you might have a different idea of what ham radio was about. For some reason that frequency was full of profane garbage mouthed hams, and lots of infighting in the '70s and '80s. Sure. But how many hams were involved, out of the hundreds of thousands on the air? I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. There were good and bad rigs then as well as now. Perhaps, but nothing like some of the very cheap sweep tube transceivers of the late 1960's, and early '70's. Swans that drifted furiously, and practically invented the term TVI... Sure - but remember that those rigs were designed 40+ years ago. They should be judged by the standards of their time. What are the bad HF SSB rigs of today? I would bet that even the absolute worst is cleaner than anything that was available in the '60's, and '70's... If only because the regulations got tighter on spurious emissions from new gear. It depends on what you consider "bad". Last FD we had some rigs that were unusable because they put out wideband phase noise that messed up stations on adjacent bands! Those rigs might have met the letter of the law when new, but they sure made a lot of hash in the real world. OTOH, serviceability of many ham rigs is very low. Even if you can deal with SMT, a lot of them use house-numbered parts that become unobtanium in a few years. ... Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. Do you mean the License Manual? Nope, I did my Advanced from basic principles. I used the ARRL Radio Amateur's Handbook as my guide to rules and regulations. The technical side of my studying came from the handbook, and a variety of other radio and engineering sources. Same here - all the way to Extra in 1970. It did not have the exact questions and answers in it. I looked at friend's copy of one of the the license manuals that was available after my test, and the questions and answers were very close. It was nothing like the manuals that are available today, but still so close as to be a cheat. There were a couple of different license manuals available back then. The ARRL LM was a reprint of FCC's study guide. Those FCC study guides were produced by FCC to indicate the areas of knowledge you needed to have for the test. They were essay format even though the tests were multiple-choice. AMECO and others rewrote them into multiple choice format. A fellow named Dick Bash stationed himself outside FCC offices and bought information from people who had just taken the tests. He was able to recreate a pretty close version of the actual test by that method. FCC decided not to prosecute him even though he published books that were very close to the actual tests. Then it all became academic with the VE system. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Yes they are! That was Slow Code talking, not me. Are you perhaps confusing attributions? I was responding to both of you. I disagree with "Slow Code"'s claim. Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? *BOTH* are important. Again, Slow Code... Yup. If you're not running a homebrew or at least home-assembled rig, who are you to call someone else an appliance operator? What good are technical *discussions* if they don't translate into actual working radio systems? I have built and operated a number of entirely home brew radios. Exactly. *You* are not an appliance operator - nor are you calling anybody else an appliance operator. Slow Code is the one complaining about appliance operators, of which it appears he is one. Exactly. I didn't mean to imply that *you* were an appliance operator, Chuck. Just that if "Slow Code" is going to call other people names, he should be ready to back up his claims with actions. So far, we see nothing. Of course, one should not take "Slow Code" too seriously - if at all. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Slow Code wrote:
gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? All the crotchety old farts are either off somewhere beep-beep-beeping away on CW or bitching to each other on the lower half of the 80m phone band, so it's easy to avoid them and talk to someone who enjoys ham radio as it is instead of whining about how it was. Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. It sounds like you run a lot of 11m, not surprising considering how much you whine, and it's not alternator whine. I only typed like because I knew you would understand that style of communicating. So, after your license came in the mail what I appliance did you decide to buy? MFJ? Alinco? Cobra? Kenwood TS-820S. I got a good deal because it had a few bugs. I spent some of the evenings between the exam session and my ticket arriving (that would be my GENERAL ticket, I skipped Novice and Technician) going through it cleaning switches, adding ground straps to a couple circuit boards and adding 17m to the 'AUX' position on the band switch. By the time my ticket arrived in the mail it was ready. I worked Clipperton Island the second day I was on the air and didn't realize it was quite the DX catch until months later. So, after your license came in the mail what did you start weenie whining about first? W8LNA |
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Slow Code wrote:
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Chuck Harris wrote: wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: I don't remember that at all. Well, you wouldn't if you spent all of your time on CW. Good point! Things are very polite on those subbands. Isn't that a reason to promote the mode? To promote the mode, sure, but to require it no. I could make the same claim about RTTY, and Slow Scan. When they were popular, folks on those modes were all as polite as could be. The impolite behavior seems to center around SSB. Probably because the mode requires essentially no effort. funny how the result now is to transfer a lot of the rudeness to CW |
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Chuck Harris wrote:
wrote: Chuck Harris wrote: Things are very polite on those subbands. Isn't that a reason to promote the mode? To promote the mode, sure, but to require it no. One way to promote a mode is to give it significant band space. I could make the same claim about RTTY, and Slow Scan. When they were popular, folks on those modes were all as polite as could be. The difference is that only Morse Code requires skills that the average person does not have. The impolite behavior seems to center around SSB. Probably because the mode requires essentially no effort. Maybe. I think there are many causes. If however, you ever listened to 20 meters around 14.313, you might have a different idea of what ham radio was about. For some reason that frequency was full of profane garbage mouthed hams, and lots of infighting in the '70s and '80s. Sure. But how many hams were involved, out of the hundreds of thousands on the air? It only takes a few. As I remember from those SSB wars in the '70's and '80's, a several hams were prosecuted. They were all General Class or higher. And because of the time frame, in which they were licensed, they had passed the CW hurdle. I recall that playing with their keyers on the SSB segment was part of their hijinks. A whole lot of "FU" and other acronyms were mixed in with the echo boxes, and microphone raking. They were a few out of hundreds of thousands. And yes, they all passed the Morse Code test - supposedly, anyhow. But they also passed one or more *written* tests which included questions on acceptable on-air behavior. Why don't the written tests get the blame? Look at the recent case of Jack Gerritsen, ex-KG6IRO. What possible reason is there for his behavior? I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. There were good and bad rigs then as well as now. Perhaps, but nothing like some of the very cheap sweep tube transceivers of the late 1960's, and early '70's. Swans that drifted furiously, and practically invented the term TVI... Sure - but remember that those rigs were designed 40+ years ago. They should be judged by the standards of their time. And I was. But today's rigs, when judged by the ear are more pleasant to listen to. Some are, some aren't - IMHO. What are the bad HF SSB rigs of today? I would bet that even the absolute worst is cleaner than anything that was available in the '60's, and '70's... If only because the regulations got tighter on spurious emissions from new gear. It depends on what you consider "bad". Last FD we had some rigs that were unusable because they put out wideband phase noise that messed up stations on adjacent bands! Those rigs might have met the letter of the law when new, but they sure made a lot of hash in the real world. Fortunately, that wideband phase noise doesn't carry beyond a few hundred yards from the radio. It used to be a really big problem with the early solid state radios... But not so much so with the newer rigs. The rigs that gave us headaches were only a few years old. Field Day was where I first noticed the effect.... Key the mike, and all bands were awash in hiss, even before the first word was spoken. Icom comes to mind. Bingo. Having a Clegg FM27B around on field day is a real treat too...not! OTOH, serviceability of many ham rigs is very low. Even if you can deal with SMT, a lot of them use house-numbered parts that become unobtanium in a few years. Entirely the result of meeting the customer's demands for in expensive feature laden radios that fit in packages smaller than a dictionary. Are those really customer demands, or are they driven by the manufacturers who want to sell more radios? ... It did not have the exact questions and answers in it. I looked at friend's copy of one of the the license manuals that was available after my test, and the questions and answers were very close. It was nothing like the manuals that are available today, but still so close as to be a cheat. There were a couple of different license manuals available back then. The ARRL LM was a reprint of FCC's study guide. Those FCC study guides were produced by FCC to indicate the areas of knowledge you needed to have for the test. They were essay format even though the tests were multiple-choice. AMECO and others rewrote them into multiple choice format. I think my friends "manual" might have been Ameco. Very possible. A fellow named Dick Bash stationed himself outside FCC offices and bought information from people who had just taken the tests. He was able to recreate a pretty close version of the actual test by that method. FCC decided not to prosecute him even though he published books that were very close to the actual tests. I don't think Bash was doing that until after the VE system came on line... but I don't recall for sure. It was the other way around. Bash did his thing in the early 1970s. The VE system came to be in the early 1980s. The VE system put Bash out of business because the question pools became public then. ... What good are technical *discussions* if they don't translate into actual working radio systems? I have built and operated a number of entirely home brew radios. Exactly. *You* are not an appliance operator - nor are you calling anybody else an appliance operator. Actually, these days for what little operating I do, I am an appliance operator. Because of my early ham experience, and the fact that I am an EE, I know how to design and build, even if I don't chose to do so right now. Ham radio probably figures heavily in my being an EE. Same here - except I'm still homebrewing. My general belief is if you have passed the test that is in force, you are a ham... period. Agreed! Beyond passing whatever is required, I don't care how you got here, just what you do now that you are here. Agreed again! 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"Chuck Harris" wrote in message ... Slow Code wrote: Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. -Chuck Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? Oh, I agree, but if you do too, then I have trouble understanding why you are ragging on folks that are using store bought radios. Slow Mind does not know that a Real Ham only uses a radio he built himself. A Real Ham would not use one of those crappy store-bought things. -Chuck |
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"U-Know-Who" wrote in
: "Slow Code" wrote in message link.net... Chuck Harris wrote in : Slow Code wrote: Chuck Harris wrote in While you are being all holier than thou, what did you design and build for your main rig? I'm hoping to be impressed, but expecting to be disappointed. Did the code help you with the design? I took my Advanced class test down at 1919 M street 36 years ago. I had to sit at the desk and copy one solid minute out of five error free at 13WPM. I passed it on the first try. I almost failed the sending test, as I had never spent much time doing that. I had never made a code contact before my test, and I have only made a couple since. The thing about code contacts is they never seem to want to say anything beyond: WA3XXX DE W6XX RST 5NN WX FB 73 W6XX SK How does that help the cause of amateur radio? I have designed and built numerous rf receivers and transmitters, many are employed by the US Army for various uses. I have fixed many different radios from tube stuff through DSP driven affairs. How exactly did the code help me to do this? For me code was a means to an end. I wanted my license, so I learned the code. There were plenty of rude, profane, and generally unpleasant hams on the air back when all had to pass the test in the offices of the FCC. I haven't noticed that things are any worse now. About the only real difference is in the quality of the gear folks are running. It is much better than the crappy stuff that was on the air back in the early 70's. -Chuck Are conversations on repeaters as technical as they were twenty-five years ago? Oh, easily. 25 years ago, technical conversations were dominated by such earth shatteringly important stuff as having a ham down at the repeater site helping other hams tune their transmitters to be on frequency. Other wonderkind were hitting the repeater with a full quieting signal, and turning their power up to try and get a better signal to that DX mobile that breaking up. If it wasn't that, it was an endless sea of autopatches calling the xyl to tell her that traffic was bad, could she start dinner... or ordering pizza. Me? I hear no-codes and nickle extras arguing how long a half wave dipole should be. I heard the same things 25 years ago from Generals that got their licenses at the offices of the FCC. Even 34 years ago, there were study guides that had questions from the pool used by the FCC. If you could memorize the answers to those questions, you were virtually assured of passing. I used the ARRL handbook as my guide. You didn't answer my questions about the home brew rig you are using. -Chuck Construction projects you or I have done aren't important. Working to insure ham radio doesn't turn into CB is important. Agreed? SC SC, tell us all, and don't lie. Do you not agree that a LOT of hams today were CB'ers in the '70's and chose to advance their radio skills by advancing to ham radio? If you disagree, then 1) you're a liar, and 2) did this not help the service? And thusly, if you disagree I suspect you fit into this mold, and choose to deny your past. I'm sure a lot of hams migrated from citizens band, but up until about the last 16 years, they had to pass a real ham test to get in. Not dumbed down tests like we have today. SC |
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gwatts wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: What do you like best about appliance operating? All the crotchety old farts are either off somewhere beep-beep-beeping away on CW or bitching to each other on the lower half of the 80m phone band, so it's easy to avoid them and talk to someone who enjoys ham radio as it is instead of whining about how it was. Big Ten-Four on that Good Buddy. It sounds like you run a lot of 11m, not surprising considering how much you whine, and it's not alternator whine. I only typed like because I knew you would understand that style of communicating. So, after your license came in the mail what I appliance did you decide to buy? MFJ? Alinco? Cobra? Kenwood TS-820S. I got a good deal because it had a few bugs. I spent some of the evenings between the exam session and my ticket arriving (that would be my GENERAL ticket, I skipped Novice and Technician) going through it cleaning switches, adding ground straps to a couple circuit boards and adding 17m to the 'AUX' position on the band switch. By the time my ticket arrived in the mail it was ready. I worked Clipperton Island the second day I was on the air and didn't realize it was quite the DX catch until months later. So, after your license came in the mail what did you start weenie whining about first? W8LNA I made a lot of contacts on CW. I knew it was what I had to do to be a valuable asset to the service and I had a lot of fun communicating with other CW ops around the world. I was always surprised at how good the Russians were at CW. Doing CW helped me get get my skills up and I quickly passed my 20 wpm Extra. (the real Extra) Now I try to help other hams and potential hams on radio and on usenet, but the usenet hams are so lazy they don't want to learn anything. They want licensing to be dumbed down some more. SC |
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Slow Code wrote:
.... Now I try to help other hams and potential hams on radio and on usenet, No you don't, you come here and grind your ax for some reason. You want to help? Be positive about ham radio, all of ham radio and not just the niche you want to inhabit. Open your eyes, see the whole hobby and realize those that don't share your tastes are just as competent or incompetent as you. but the usenet hams are so lazy they don't want to learn anything. They want licensing to be dumbed down some more. Translation: They want to keep up with technology and eliminate testing on methods that are plainly antiquated and waning in usefulness and I don't want things to change so I don't lose my relative (perceived) status among hams. W8LNA |
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gwatts wrote in
: Slow Code wrote: ... Now I try to help other hams and potential hams on radio and on usenet, No you don't, you come here and grind your ax for some reason. You want to help? Be positive about ham radio, all of ham radio and not just the niche you want to inhabit. Open your eyes, see the whole hobby and realize those that don't share your tastes are just as competent or incompetent as you. but the usenet hams are so lazy they don't want to learn anything. They want licensing to be dumbed down some more. Translation: They want to keep up with technology and eliminate testing on methods that are plainly antiquated and waning in usefulness and I don't want things to change so I don't lose my relative (perceived) status among hams. W8LNA What has everyone got against having good effective communicators? Sheesh, I'm I the only one that wants good hams? SC |
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On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:45:02 GMT, Slow Code wrote:
gwatts wrote in : Slow Code wrote: ... Now I try to help other hams and potential hams on radio and on usenet, No you don't, you come here and grind your ax for some reason. You want to help? Be positive about ham radio, all of ham radio and not just the niche you want to inhabit. Open your eyes, see the whole hobby and realize those that don't share your tastes are just as competent or incompetent as you. but the usenet hams are so lazy they don't want to learn anything. They want licensing to be dumbed down some more. Translation: They want to keep up with technology and eliminate testing on methods that are plainly antiquated and waning in usefulness and I don't want things to change so I don't lose my relative (perceived) status among hams. W8LNA What has everyone got against having good effective communicators? no body but you is aginst effective comms Sheesh, I'm I the only one that wants good hams? you are one those that wants to exclude Good hams SC http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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