"larya" wrote in message
ups.com...
Second... I also think you will find that the fcc, and in my country
the IC, are deeply regretting the conversion of 11 meters to 'cb'.

I hope not. The FCC providing unlicensed spectrum for the masses was one of
the smartest thing they ever did! Yes, it leads to all sorts of horrible
operating practices, but CB and -- more contemporarily -- FRS/GMRS and WiFi
had provided *huge* benefits for people (and many millions of dollars in
equipment sales) nationwide. I'd hate to live in a country where there's no
such thing as a license-free $20 pair of FRS-type walkie talkies or $20 WiFi
cards for high-speed Internet access.

Virtually all of our bad radio operating procedures, of all radio
services, can all be traced back to the bad operating technique found
in the 11 meter cb band....

I'd say they can be traced back to human nature. People were rowdy and
"uncouth" in, say, taverns for thousands of years before CB came along.

---Joel

Joel Kolstad wrote:

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I'd say they can be traced back to human nature. People were rowdy and
"uncouth" in, say, taverns for thousands of years before CB came along.

---Joel



I'll agree with the uncouth in the taverns part, but, disagree with the context.

CB brought the uncouth out of the tavern and onto the air.

:-)

"Dave" wrote in message
...
CB brought the uncouth out of the tavern and onto the air.

Drive by the tavern... tune past the CBers? ;-)

I suppose amateur radio is supposed to be more a high-class dining
establishment than a dinner -- suit, tie, and official FCC-approved membership
required --, although these days you wouldn't necessarily know it from
listening to the airwaves.

Joel Kolstad wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
CB brought the uncouth out of the tavern and onto the air.

Drive by the tavern... tune past the CBers? ;-)

I suppose amateur radio is supposed to be more a high-class dining
establishment than a dinner -- suit, tie, and official FCC-approved membership
required --, although these days you wouldn't necessarily know it from
listening to the airwaves.





Hmmm:

You mean you can quickly tell the difference from some self-important,
self-worshiping, self-impressed, carried-away-with-oneself personality
as opposed to one considering himself/herself to being a
student-of-the-world? And, your final implication being, "This group of
amateurs is full of the former?"

You present a most interesting observation! in-a-contemplative-state

JS

Joel Kolstad wrote:
"Dave" wrote in message
...
CB brought the uncouth out of the tavern and onto the air.

Drive by the tavern... tune past the CBers? ;-)

I suppose amateur radio is supposed to be more a high-class dining
establishment than a dinner -- suit, tie, and official FCC-approved membership
required --, although these days you wouldn't necessarily know it from
listening to the airwaves.

I think it depends where you listen...

This past weekend, I was active in the November CW Sweepstakes. Made
over 400 QSOs in 74 sections (all states except Hawaii). Lots of
activity but nothing objectionable at all.

73 de Jim, N2EY

"Joel Kolstad" wrote in
:

"Dave" wrote in message
...
CB brought the uncouth out of the tavern and onto the air.

Drive by the tavern... tune past the CBers? ;-)

I suppose amateur radio is supposed to be more a high-class dining
establishment than a dinner -- suit, tie, and official FCC-approved
membership required --,


Too many amateurs now don't care if ham radio turns into the local
scarf & barf.

Joel Kolstad wrote:
"larya" wrote in message
ups.com...
Second... I also think you will find that the fcc, and in my country
the IC, are deeply regretting the conversion of 11 meters to 'cb'.

I hope not. The FCC providing unlicensed spectrum for the masses was one of
the smartest thing they ever did! Yes, it leads to all sorts of horrible
operating practices, but CB and -- more contemporarily -- FRS/GMRS and WiFi
had provided *huge* benefits for people (and many millions of dollars in
equipment sales) nationwide. I'd hate to live in a country where there's no
such thing as a license-free $20 pair of FRS-type walkie talkies or $20 WiFi
cards for high-speed Internet access.

Virtually all of our bad radio operating procedures, of all radio
services, can all be traced back to the bad operating technique found
in the 11 meter cb band....

I'd say they can be traced back to human nature. People were rowdy and
"uncouth" in, say, taverns for thousands of years before CB came along.

---Joel


At the time "CB" in the 27mhz region made sense because UHF equipment
was too expensive to build for the masses. That's no longer true. The
FCC should eliminate the 27 mhz CB service before the start of the next
sunspot cycle and force everyone there to move to UHF. One of CB's
biggest problems was interference from 'skip' (DX), and it is illegal to
work DX stations anyway.

"ken scharf" wrote in message
.. .
At the time "CB" in the 27mhz region made sense because UHF equipment
was too expensive to build for the masses. That's no longer true. The
FCC should eliminate the 27 mhz CB service before the start of the next
sunspot cycle and force everyone there to move to UHF.

I like your reasoning, although realistically they'd have to have a
well-publicized program to do so that would most likely have various
"deadlines" that would get pushed back a few times before really having any
meaning (just as the switch to broadcast HDTV has done!) I'd expect that
equpiment manufacturers would -- for a time -- be building dual-band radios.

Given how "abused" FRS and GMRS are anyway, perhaps the FCC could just drop
the GMRS licensing requirement and pretty much be done with it!

One of CB's
biggest problems was interference from 'skip' (DX), and it is illegal to
work DX stations anyway.

Really -- I didn't know that (the part about it being illegal)! Seems a
little silly to me...

---Joel

wrote:
On Mon, 13 Nov 2006 09:40:54 -0800, "Joel Kolstad"
wrote:

"ken scharf" wrote in message
.. .
At the time "CB" in the 27mhz region made sense because UHF equipment
was too expensive to build for the masses. That's no longer true. The
FCC should eliminate the 27 mhz CB service before the start of the next
sunspot cycle and force everyone there to move to UHF.
I like your reasoning, although realistically they'd have to have a
well-publicized program to do so that would most likely have various
"deadlines" that would get pushed back a few times before really having any
meaning (just as the switch to broadcast HDTV has done!) I'd expect that
equpiment manufacturers would -- for a time -- be building dual-band radios.

get that band back for Ham use is simply imposible too many rigs out
there
Given how "abused" FRS and GMRS are anyway, perhaps the FCC could just drop
the GMRS licensing requirement and pretty much be done with it!

One of CB's
biggest problems was interference from 'skip' (DX), and it is illegal to
work DX stations anyway.
Really -- I didn't know that (the part about it being illegal)! Seems a
little silly to me...

indeed it is ilegal to make a contact more than 150 miles away from
you a rule I have broeken without trying near the top of the last
cycle with a a mag mount on AM was living near springfield IL
mentioned the town springfield someone came back refered to roads that
don't exist so yes I have broken that rule and was techinal subjec to
a serve fine becuase the FCC tried to rewrie the laws of physics

it makes it difcult for me to be too critcal of breaking other of the
rules when the rules are so hard to take seriously
---Joel

http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


That arrangement of words comes nearest the most logic, reason and
formed thought I believe ever sprang forth from your keyboard.

JS