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868MHz Propagation problem
dgleeson422111 wrote:
Hello All We have a propagation issue that is confusing us. We have two 868MHz modules on test, each capable of 500mW transmission. We are testing to find the range of communication. We are testing them as follows. One remains in our office while the other is taken to the street outside. we are communicating charecter strings such as "Im at the lamp post number 1" etc. There is somebody at each end sending text strings in a continuous conversation. There is no protocol, error checking or error recovery. What we have repetadly found is that the radio in the office can receive long after the radio in the street has stopped receiving. (The person with the radio in the street is moving away from the office.) The radios are the same and the power supplies to the radios are the same. Indeed switching the radios gives the same effect. The propagation paths between the two radios are the same in terms of distance. However the radio signal transmitted from the office travels through walls first before then traveling through open space. Its the opposite for the radio in the street, firstly traveling through space and then through the walls in the office. We did think we had identified an interfeering source in one direction (when moving away from the office) so we started moving in the opposite direction. We found exactly the same effect. Are we getting interfeerance from GSM, ISM or Paging? As far as GSM bands go in Europe 890–915 MHz OR 1710–1785 MHz So these shouldnt be our problem. ISM is where we intend to operate and the greatest band occupancy should be 10%. So we should get communication even though we would get some interfeerance. Paging - well this has very much gone out of fashion in Europe. But even if it was the cause then wouldnt it be intermittant communication. We have a constant problem. Can anyone shed light on this phenomonon? Is it an issue of wireless propagation that Im not familiar with or is it Interfeerance? Best regards, and thanks for any input. Denis _____________________ http://www.CentronSolutions.com What is the modulation type and data rate? Could be a delay spread issue. Maybe the outside unit is receiving a reflected signal from the surface of a nearby structure and is experiencing inter-symbol interference that by chance the base unit is shielded from. This would occur only if a high symbol rate was being used. -- Joe Leikhim K4SAT "The RFI-EMI-GUY"© "Treason doth never prosper: what's the reason? For if it prosper, none dare call it treason." "Follow The Money" ;-P |
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868MHz Propagation problem
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RFI-EMI-GUY wrote: dgleeson422111 wrote: Hello All We have a propagation issue that is confusing us. We have two 868MHz modules on test, each capable of 500mW transmission. We are testing to find the range of communication. We are testing them as follows. One remains in our office while the other is taken to the street outside. we are communicating charecter strings such as "Im at the lamp post number 1" etc. There is somebody at each end sending text strings in a continuous conversation. There is no protocol, error checking or error recovery. What we have repetadly found is that the radio in the office can receive long after the radio in the street has stopped receiving. (The person with the radio in the street is moving away from the office.) The radios are the same and the power supplies to the radios are the same. Indeed switching the radios gives the same effect. The propagation paths between the two radios are the same in terms of distance. However the radio signal transmitted from the office travels through walls first before then traveling through open space. Its the opposite for the radio in the street, firstly traveling through space and then through the walls in the office. We did think we had identified an interfeering source in one direction (when moving away from the office) so we started moving in the opposite direction. We found exactly the same effect. Are we getting interfeerance from GSM, ISM or Paging? As far as GSM bands go in Europe 890*915 MHz OR 1710*1785 MHz So these shouldnt be our problem. ISM is where we intend to operate and the greatest band occupancy should be 10%. So we should get communication even though we would get some interfeerance. Paging - well this has very much gone out of fashion in Europe. But even if it was the cause then wouldnt it be intermittant communication. We have a constant problem. Can anyone shed light on this phenomonon? Is it an issue of wireless propagation that Im not familiar with or is it Interfeerance? Best regards, and thanks for any input. Denis _____________________ http://www.CentronSolutions.com What is the modulation type and data rate? Could be a delay spread issue. Maybe the outside unit is receiving a reflected signal from the surface of a nearby structure and is experiencing inter-symbol interference that by chance the base unit is shielded from. This would occur only if a high symbol rate was being used. what type of amateur radio application is this for? Or is it a commercial application posted in this amateur radio group? just wondering |
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868MHz Propagation problem
what type of amateur radio application is this for? Or is it a commercial application posted in this amateur radio group? just wondering What amateur band covers 868 MHz? Did we get a new one? I'll have to order another transverter, I guess Well, to get this post be on topic, does anyone know of a good source for some SPDT coaxial relays good at 902 MHz and good for 350 Watts at 902? Scott N0EDV |
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868MHz Propagation problem
What is the modulation type and data rate? Could be a delay spread issue. Maybe the outside unit is receiving a reflected signal from the surface of a nearby structure and is experiencing inter-symbol interference that by chance the base unit is shielded from. This would occur only if a high symbol rate was being used. i was thinking about that...but no.... all the multi-path paths are reciprocal as well,,, so whatever the delay spread is one way should be the same the other way. Mark |
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