On Apr 27, 10:30*am, Paul Keinanen wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2009 05:32:07 -0700 (PDT), David
wrote:



On Apr 25, 10:51*pm, Tim Wescott wrote:
David wrote:
Was just wandering if anyone has used or experimented with television
IF, Video and Detector coils, most are slug tuned coils that have a
few uh to several hundred uh, some are sheilded some are not, i have
about 500 that i bought years ago, a lot of them look very close too
the old loopstick type coils, looking for
ideas.
Thanks David

They'll have very low Q, and therefore not really be suitable for a
crystal radio, where low-Q coils fight your ability to get good
selectivity without burning up all your signal before it gets to the
headphones.

There's a whole bunch of _other_ cool things you can do with them, just
not Xtal sets.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Serviceshttp://www.wescottdesign.com

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What would be a good Q range for AM broadcast & Shortwave bands.

If your _loaded_ Q is 100, the -3 dB bandwidth at 1 MHz would be 10
kHz (i.e. +/- 5 kHz from the carrier). The question is, what should
the _un_loaded Q be ?

If you have a full sized antenna, the signal strength would be
sufficient even with an unloaded Q of just 100-200.

At the middle of the HF band (10 MHz) a loaded Q of 1000 would be
required for a single station bandwidth and quite large helical
resonators would be required to get a usable unloaded Q without
damping the resonant circuit Q too much.

Paul OH3LWR

To put some numbers on what Paul suggested:

If I want an unloaded coil Q of 2000 at 10MHz, I'd expect to need a
coil about 5 inches (13cm) diameter and 10 inches (26cm) long--or
similar. That assumes no loss to radiation. If I shield it to make a
helical resonator, the Q will actually be lowered slightly, though
such a large coil may have enough loss to radiation that it would be a
wash between turning it into a helical resonator or leaving it in free
air. Of course, with the shielding, it's less susceptible to changes
in the environment around it. Anyway, the shield for a helical
resonator should be a couple times the diameter of the coil, so it's a
rather large arrangement anyway!

If you have very sensitive earphones (and sensitive ears!) and a good
antenna, what may matter more than keeping the loss down to an
absolute minimum is getting rid of interfering signals. A single-
tuned circuit with 10kHz -3dB bandwidth offers only 20dB attenuation
of a signal 50kHz away, and a signal 200kHz away is attenuated only
about 32dB (assuming I didn't mess up my mental arithmetic). That's
not a lot if you live in a metropolitan area with several stations
nearby, and you want to hear the ones from far away. You can make the
tuner with two or even three tuned circuits that are properly coupled,
and get much better attenuation of those unwanted signals. But more
tuned circuits means more loss in the tuner, too, even if you use high
Q coils.

It's a really good idea to check out what others have done to advance
the art of winding high Q coils for AM broadcast band frequencies, and
of the circuits to use those coils to best advantage.

Cheers,
Tom