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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we
end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
"amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
"amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK Resonance? (I assume by 1/2 you mean the 4.5 inductor?) |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
"Jeff Johnson" wrote in message ... "amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK Resonance? (I assume by 1/2 you mean the 4.5 inductor?) Yes, a 4 and 1/2 turn inductor had the 1/2 turn overheat. |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
"amdx" wrote in message ... "Jeff Johnson" wrote in message ... "amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK Resonance? (I assume by 1/2 you mean the 4.5 inductor?) Yes, a 4 and 1/2 turn inductor had the 1/2 turn overheat. huh? The half turn and the other turns were ok? This is impossible!?!?! One has the same current through the whole coil and if the wire was uniform then it should heat heally well. Not only that copper is a good heat conductor so if the 1/2 turn was heating up then he heat should spread pretty quickly. This assumes everything else is uniform along the coil. Something has to be going on that your not telling us? Ideally the heat should be uniformly distributed along the coil. By "HOT" I assume you mean much much hotter than the other coils? Heat is generated by the current, is it not? and the current should be uniform throughout the wire? The resistance of the wire itself should also be uniform. This suggests that the heat dissipated per unit length is independent of position. Were both ends hot? If not then something else is going on. Because you are saying the .5 end of a 4.5 coil got HOT. Yet which end? the 4.5 coil has two ..5 ends and should in theory be symmetric and hence both get equally HOT. If they wern't then something is aloof. |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 11:09:35 -0500, "amdx" wrote:
Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK I think it's forcing a substantial portion of the flux to pass through half of the core and thus increasing the core losses. There's a half turn technique used in transformer design that ends up with two half turns in parallel IIRC. Maybe you could use that. |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
"Jeff Johnson" wrote in message ... "amdx" wrote in message ... "Jeff Johnson" wrote in message ... "amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK Resonance? (I assume by 1/2 you mean the 4.5 inductor?) Yes, a 4 and 1/2 turn inductor had the 1/2 turn overheat. huh? The half turn and the other turns were ok? This is impossible!?!?! Not impossible, there's more than one heating mechanism, not that I can explain them, but I know there can be heating in the fringe field of the gap. One has the same current through the whole coil and if the wire was uniform then it should heat heally well. Not only that copper is a good heat conductor so if the 1/2 turn was heating up then he heat should spread pretty quickly. This assumes everything else is uniform along the coil. Something has to be going on that your not telling us? Ideally the heat should be uniformly distributed along the coil. By "HOT" I assume you mean much much hotter than the other coils? Hot enough to burn the insulators used. Heat is generated by the current, is it not? and the current should be uniform throughout the wire? The resistance of the wire itself should also be uniform. This suggests that the heat dissipated per unit length is independent of position. Flux my not have been uniform through. Were both ends hot? If not then something else is going on. Because you are saying the .5 end of a 4.5 coil got HOT. Yet which end? the 4.5 coil has two .5 ends and should in theory be symmetric and hence both get equally HOT. If they wern't then something is aloof. LOLROTF, ya both ends would be a 1/2 turn??? I'm speechless and don't know what to say. :-) Don't confuse me with such things! MikeK |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
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"amdx" wrote: "amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK How do you make a half turn inductor? Bill -- An old man would be better off never having been born. |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
On Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:36:29 -0700, Salmon Egg
wrote: In article , "amdx" wrote: "amdx" wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK How do you make a half turn inductor? Bill Bring wires out opposite slots on a pot core. I've seen it do strange stuff, too. John |
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Heating in 4-1/2 turn inductor
On 8-25-2010 20:36, Salmon Egg wrote:
In , wrote: wrote in message ... Several years ago while making inductors for tuning a class E amplifier we end up with a 4-1/2 turn inductor. The inductor used a 3F3 potcore, gapped I think, but it has been awhile. The inductor was driven hard but below saturation. The problem; the 1/2 turn got HOT. Four turns or five turns were ok. My physicist friend had an EE verify the problem 2000 miles away. So, can anyone tell me why 1/2 turn would make such a difference in the heating? Thanks, MikeK How do you make a half turn inductor? Bill Half a circle, as used at say 450 MHz and up (the one end is soldered to one point on a circuit board, goes straight up say 1/4", bends over 180 degrees and the other end soldered to another pad on the PC board...just like this "U" but flipped over (upsidedown U)... |
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