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Dick August 18th 03 05:00 PM

Refurbishing BC221
 
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL

Bob Stein August 18th 03 05:16 PM

Dick wrote:
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks


It has been many years since I had a BC-221, but I seem to think that a
Bristol wrench was needed to remove the knobs. No bets, however.

Bob, W6NBI


Bob Stein August 18th 03 05:16 PM

Dick wrote:
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks


It has been many years since I had a BC-221, but I seem to think that a
Bristol wrench was needed to remove the knobs. No bets, however.

Bob, W6NBI


Mike W August 18th 03 05:22 PM

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:00:04 +0100, Dick
wrote:

I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks

Dick, I think they are "Allen Key" or "Hex Key" grub screws but I
won't bet on it though.
hth Mike W, G8NXD

Mike W August 18th 03 05:22 PM

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:00:04 +0100, Dick
wrote:

I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks

Dick, I think they are "Allen Key" or "Hex Key" grub screws but I
won't bet on it though.
hth Mike W, G8NXD

Joe McElvenney August 18th 03 08:25 PM

Hi,

You are correct Bob, according to the SCR-221 technical manual
(TM-11-300) there should be two Bristol wrenches (#6 & #8) in the
spares kit. I have just tried the one I have on an old wreck of a
BC221-T and it fits but don't know whether it is a #6 or a #8. It
is just under a 1/10" across the flutes.

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


Cheers - Joe



Joe McElvenney August 18th 03 08:25 PM

Hi,

You are correct Bob, according to the SCR-221 technical manual
(TM-11-300) there should be two Bristol wrenches (#6 & #8) in the
spares kit. I have just tried the one I have on an old wreck of a
BC221-T and it fits but don't know whether it is a #6 or a #8. It
is just under a 1/10" across the flutes.

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


Cheers - Joe



Troglodite August 18th 03 09:04 PM

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


As one who converted a lot of WWII surplus gear for Amateur Radio use, I often
hoped the guy who invented Glyptol got sealed in his coffin with the stuff.

Doug Moore


Troglodite August 18th 03 09:04 PM

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


As one who converted a lot of WWII surplus gear for Amateur Radio use, I often
hoped the guy who invented Glyptol got sealed in his coffin with the stuff.

Doug Moore


Bibby August 18th 03 11:04 PM

Dick, as others have said, these probably need Bristol wrenches. I bought
some a few months back from

Good luck,

Malcolm, W1/GW3NJY


"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL




Bibby August 18th 03 11:04 PM

Dick, as others have said, these probably need Bristol wrenches. I bought
some a few months back from

Good luck,

Malcolm, W1/GW3NJY


"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL




Bibby August 18th 03 11:06 PM

Correction, that should have been WEINER not WIENER!

Malcolm

"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL




Bibby August 18th 03 11:06 PM

Correction, that should have been WEINER not WIENER!

Malcolm

"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL




Ralph Mowery August 18th 03 11:11 PM

You are correct Bob, according to the SCR-221 technical manual
(TM-11-300) there should be two Bristol wrenches (#6 & #8) in the
spares kit. I have just tried the one I have on an old wreck of a
BC221-T and it fits but don't know whether it is a #6 or a #8. It
is just under a 1/10" across the flutes.

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.



I have seen the wrenches on e-bay from time to time.

To remove the screws after ordering a bowflex machine and working out with
it for 6 months, heat them and the "glue" will release and you will be able
to turn them.



Ralph Mowery August 18th 03 11:11 PM

You are correct Bob, according to the SCR-221 technical manual
(TM-11-300) there should be two Bristol wrenches (#6 & #8) in the
spares kit. I have just tried the one I have on an old wreck of a
BC221-T and it fits but don't know whether it is a #6 or a #8. It
is just under a 1/10" across the flutes.

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.



I have seen the wrenches on e-bay from time to time.

To remove the screws after ordering a bowflex machine and working out with
it for 6 months, heat them and the "glue" will release and you will be able
to turn them.



Bill Janssen August 19th 03 12:30 AM

Mike W wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:00:04 +0100, Dick
wrote:

I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks

Dick, I think they are "Allen Key" or "Hex Key" grub screws but I
won't bet on it though.
hth Mike W, G8NXD


I vote for the Bristol answer. I think I have a couple here but it would
probably take a "crime scene" investigation to find them. I have a couple of
BC221
and the newer version with a CRT.

Bill K7NOM



Bill Janssen August 19th 03 12:30 AM

Mike W wrote:

On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:00:04 +0100, Dick
wrote:

I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks

Dick, I think they are "Allen Key" or "Hex Key" grub screws but I
won't bet on it though.
hth Mike W, G8NXD


I vote for the Bristol answer. I think I have a couple here but it would
probably take a "crime scene" investigation to find them. I have a couple of
BC221
and the newer version with a CRT.

Bill K7NOM



Roy Lewallen August 19th 03 01:04 AM

You might check inside the instrument. A Bristol wrench was often
included in military gear under a clip someplace.

I don't have a Bristol wrench for comparison any more, but I recall
their cross sectional shape as resembling modern Torx drivers. It would
probably take an unusually long one, and if it didn't fit well there'd
be a danger of chewing the screw so it'd never come out. Might be worth
investigating, though.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Bill Janssen wrote:

I vote for the Bristol answer. I think I have a couple here but it would
probably take a "crime scene" investigation to find them. I have a couple of
BC221
and the newer version with a CRT.

Bill K7NOM




Roy Lewallen August 19th 03 01:04 AM

You might check inside the instrument. A Bristol wrench was often
included in military gear under a clip someplace.

I don't have a Bristol wrench for comparison any more, but I recall
their cross sectional shape as resembling modern Torx drivers. It would
probably take an unusually long one, and if it didn't fit well there'd
be a danger of chewing the screw so it'd never come out. Might be worth
investigating, though.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Bill Janssen wrote:

I vote for the Bristol answer. I think I have a couple here but it would
probably take a "crime scene" investigation to find them. I have a couple of
BC221
and the newer version with a CRT.

Bill K7NOM




Michael A. Terrell August 19th 03 03:07 AM

Joe McElvenney wrote:

Hi,

You are correct Bob, according to the SCR-221 technical manual
(TM-11-300) there should be two Bristol wrenches (#6 & #8) in the
spares kit. I have just tried the one I have on an old wreck of a
BC221-T and it fits but don't know whether it is a #6 or a #8. It
is just under a 1/10" across the flutes.

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


Cheers - Joe


I put a drop of "Breakfree" in the hole and wait a couple days to
remove tight screws.
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Michael A. Terrell August 19th 03 03:07 AM

Joe McElvenney wrote:

Hi,

You are correct Bob, according to the SCR-221 technical manual
(TM-11-300) there should be two Bristol wrenches (#6 & #8) in the
spares kit. I have just tried the one I have on an old wreck of a
BC221-T and it fits but don't know whether it is a #6 or a #8. It
is just under a 1/10" across the flutes.

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


Cheers - Joe


I put a drop of "Breakfree" in the hole and wait a couple days to
remove tight screws.
--


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

Tom Bruhns August 19th 03 06:53 AM

Roy Lewallen wrote in message ...
....
I don't have a Bristol wrench for comparison any more, but I recall
their cross sectional shape as resembling modern Torx drivers.

....
:-) Yep, indeed. In fact, my older daughter bought a new faceplate
for my younger daughter's cell phone as a present, only it turned out
to be a whole new case (clear plastic). Yours Truly got to replace
the case, which was held in with #6 Torx. I was happy to find that
one of the Bristol spline wrenches from an old GC set fit just fine,
as my Torx drivers go down only to #8 here at home. So you MAY find
that a #6 or #8 or #10 Torx will work in your BC221. Mebbe I'll go
try it on my LM (Navy equivalent of the BC221) and report back.

Cheers,
Tom

Tom Bruhns August 19th 03 06:53 AM

Roy Lewallen wrote in message ...
....
I don't have a Bristol wrench for comparison any more, but I recall
their cross sectional shape as resembling modern Torx drivers.

....
:-) Yep, indeed. In fact, my older daughter bought a new faceplate
for my younger daughter's cell phone as a present, only it turned out
to be a whole new case (clear plastic). Yours Truly got to replace
the case, which was held in with #6 Torx. I was happy to find that
one of the Bristol spline wrenches from an old GC set fit just fine,
as my Torx drivers go down only to #8 here at home. So you MAY find
that a #6 or #8 or #10 Torx will work in your BC221. Mebbe I'll go
try it on my LM (Navy equivalent of the BC221) and report back.

Cheers,
Tom

John August 19th 03 07:48 AM


"Bibby" wrote in message
news:z3c0b.183660$YN5.135802@sccrnsc01...
Dick, as others have said, these probably need Bristol wrenches. I

bought
some a few months back from

Good luck,

Malcolm, W1/GW3NJY





Some Bristol wrenches here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=46 73






John August 19th 03 07:48 AM


"Bibby" wrote in message
news:z3c0b.183660$YN5.135802@sccrnsc01...
Dick, as others have said, these probably need Bristol wrenches. I

bought
some a few months back from

Good luck,

Malcolm, W1/GW3NJY





Some Bristol wrenches here
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...ategory=46 73






Bill Janssen August 19th 03 04:33 PM

Bill Janssen wrote: I vote for the Bristol answer. I think I have a couple here
but it would

probably take a "crime scene" investigation to find them. I have a couple of
BC221
and the newer version with a CRT.

Bill K7NOM


That CRT comment was about as wrong as can be.
The "CRT" was a magnifier glass to read the film strip dial.

Should have looked at the unit before commenting.

Bill K7NOM




Bill Janssen August 19th 03 04:33 PM

Bill Janssen wrote: I vote for the Bristol answer. I think I have a couple here
but it would

probably take a "crime scene" investigation to find them. I have a couple of
BC221
and the newer version with a CRT.

Bill K7NOM


That CRT comment was about as wrong as can be.
The "CRT" was a magnifier glass to read the film strip dial.

Should have looked at the unit before commenting.

Bill K7NOM




mcalhoun August 19th 03 07:43 PM

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


Many, MANY years ago I wanted to remove the knobs from several pieces of
equipment (BC-610 tuning units vaguely comes to mind), and I recall that
I stripped an average of one properly-sized Allen wrench per knob removed.
Fortunately, the town where I was living at the time (Fort Collins, CO)
had a "war surplus" store, and -- even more fortunate for me -- they had
bins AND BINS of Allen wrenches of the proper size for a dime apiece!
Needless to say, I bought a lot of them!

--Myron.
--
Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, witness, jury, and cartridge
PhD EE (retired). "Barbershop" tenor. CDL(PTX). W0PBV. (785) 539-4448
NRA Life Member and Certified Instructor (Home Firearm Safety, Rifle, Pistol)

mcalhoun August 19th 03 07:43 PM

I believe that during WWII there was a specially employed
lady, complete with tattoos presumably, whose task it was to
tighten the set-screws on all military equipment. She did such a
good job that nobody except a certain candidate for the
governorship of California has since been able to move them.


Many, MANY years ago I wanted to remove the knobs from several pieces of
equipment (BC-610 tuning units vaguely comes to mind), and I recall that
I stripped an average of one properly-sized Allen wrench per knob removed.
Fortunately, the town where I was living at the time (Fort Collins, CO)
had a "war surplus" store, and -- even more fortunate for me -- they had
bins AND BINS of Allen wrenches of the proper size for a dime apiece!
Needless to say, I bought a lot of them!

--Myron.
--
Five boxes preserve our freedoms: soap, ballot, witness, jury, and cartridge
PhD EE (retired). "Barbershop" tenor. CDL(PTX). W0PBV. (785) 539-4448
NRA Life Member and Certified Instructor (Home Firearm Safety, Rifle, Pistol)

Frank Dresser August 19th 03 07:54 PM


"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL



You need Bristol wrenches or Bristol keys or whatever Bristol calls them.
They come in 4 or 6 point form. The 6 point ones look very much like Torx
head screws. You need the 4 point type. I got mine from McMaster Carr:

mcmaster.com

I don't know if Bristol wrenches are easily available in the UK. McMaster's
website seems to be down right now, but I have to figure they do
international orders.

Frank Dresser



Frank Dresser August 19th 03 07:54 PM


"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL



You need Bristol wrenches or Bristol keys or whatever Bristol calls them.
They come in 4 or 6 point form. The 6 point ones look very much like Torx
head screws. You need the 4 point type. I got mine from McMaster Carr:

mcmaster.com

I don't know if Bristol wrenches are easily available in the UK. McMaster's
website seems to be down right now, but I have to figure they do
international orders.

Frank Dresser



Frank Dresser August 20th 03 06:05 AM


"W7TI" wrote in message
...
No need to toss a "stripped" Allen wrench. Just grind off the stripped
part and it's good as new. Go slow while grinding so you don't overheat
it or you'll ruin the temper. Dunk it in water every few seconds.

While I haven't tried this on Bristol wrenches, it would probably fix
them too.

As a side note, often when it seems that the wrench is stripped, what
really happens is the set screw develops a crack which widens it out and
makes it appear like the wrench is stripped. When this happens, you're
in deep doo-doo. You might also be able to use one of those
reverse-threaded screw extractors if you can find one small enough. If
not, drill the set screw out very carefully, and if you're lucky, no
harm will be done to the threads in the knob. If the drill does gouge
out the threads, you may be able to re-thread it for the next larger
size set screw.

Also, a metric or Torx wrench might get enough bite in the damaged socket
head screw. If you do go for the drill, try to find a bit with a left hand
twist. If it locks in the set screw, it might well spin it out.

Frank Dresser


The best approach for old military equipment though, is to apply
penetrating oil and let it sit for a day or so. The more valuable the
equipment, the more days you should let it sit. With any luck, the set
screw will come right out. And use REAL penetrating oil, not just WD-40
or something similar.

--
73, Bill W7TI




Frank Dresser August 20th 03 06:05 AM


"W7TI" wrote in message
...
No need to toss a "stripped" Allen wrench. Just grind off the stripped
part and it's good as new. Go slow while grinding so you don't overheat
it or you'll ruin the temper. Dunk it in water every few seconds.

While I haven't tried this on Bristol wrenches, it would probably fix
them too.

As a side note, often when it seems that the wrench is stripped, what
really happens is the set screw develops a crack which widens it out and
makes it appear like the wrench is stripped. When this happens, you're
in deep doo-doo. You might also be able to use one of those
reverse-threaded screw extractors if you can find one small enough. If
not, drill the set screw out very carefully, and if you're lucky, no
harm will be done to the threads in the knob. If the drill does gouge
out the threads, you may be able to re-thread it for the next larger
size set screw.

Also, a metric or Torx wrench might get enough bite in the damaged socket
head screw. If you do go for the drill, try to find a bit with a left hand
twist. If it locks in the set screw, it might well spin it out.

Frank Dresser


The best approach for old military equipment though, is to apply
penetrating oil and let it sit for a day or so. The more valuable the
equipment, the more days you should let it sit. With any luck, the set
screw will come right out. And use REAL penetrating oil, not just WD-40
or something similar.

--
73, Bill W7TI




Bibby August 29th 03 10:35 PM

Dick, you got a lot of helpful feedback on your question - yet no response
from you.

Don't you think a simple "thank you" would be in order?

Malcolm


"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL




Bibby August 29th 03 10:35 PM

Dick, you got a lot of helpful feedback on your question - yet no response
from you.

Don't you think a simple "thank you" would be in order?

Malcolm


"Dick" wrote in message
...
I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL




Mike W August 30th 03 07:35 AM

Dick, there's a BC221 on Ebay UK's Ham Radio list, selling later
today, current;y the bid is 12.50 UKP if you're interested.
Not mine I hasten to add.
atb Mike W
--
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:00:04 +0100, Dick
wrote:

I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL



Mike W August 30th 03 07:35 AM

Dick, there's a BC221 on Ebay UK's Ham Radio list, selling later
today, current;y the bid is 12.50 UKP if you're interested.
Not mine I hasten to add.
atb Mike W
--
On Mon, 18 Aug 2003 17:00:04 +0100, Dick
wrote:

I'm trying to get a hold of a tool that will undo grub screws
securing the front panel knobs on my venerable BC221, can anyone suggest
where I can get a hold of one, a modern equivalent and/or something that
can be modified to do the job ??
Although all BC221s were provided with the tool (stored in a
clip beside the spare valves) I've never seen one and can only guess
that it must be something like a very small Phillips screwdriver head
but with a parallel rather than tapered tip. It must also be less than
3/32" dia 'cos I've just tried to make one by hand out of 3/32" dia
steel rod and that was too big, don't think my eyesight is up to hand
filing the cruciform tip in any smaller dia rod, hence a request for
help !!
My BC221 is still furkling along after 63+ years (& only c/s -
There, I've said it !!) out of calibration) but I think I should at
least try & smarten up the case with a good clean and a bit of fresh
paint. Who knows, it's probably got more chance of making the century
than I have.
Thanks
--
Dick
GM0MNL



Dick August 30th 03 01:22 PM

In message YGP3b.227320$Oz4.62141@rwcrnsc54, Bibby
writes
Dick, you got a lot of helpful feedback on your question - yet no response
from you.

Don't you think a simple "thank you" would be in order?

Malcolm

Yes, my fault & I should have got back to thank everyone for their input
to my BC221 query sooner than this. I've now got a set of small Bristol
wrenches on order from the US and I'll post an up date once they arrive
& I've had a chance to try & remove the grub screws (carefully).

Once again, thanks for all the suggestions & loan offers.
--
Dick
GM0MNL

Dick August 30th 03 01:22 PM

In message YGP3b.227320$Oz4.62141@rwcrnsc54, Bibby
writes
Dick, you got a lot of helpful feedback on your question - yet no response
from you.

Don't you think a simple "thank you" would be in order?

Malcolm

Yes, my fault & I should have got back to thank everyone for their input
to my BC221 query sooner than this. I've now got a set of small Bristol
wrenches on order from the US and I'll post an up date once they arrive
& I've had a chance to try & remove the grub screws (carefully).

Once again, thanks for all the suggestions & loan offers.
--
Dick
GM0MNL

Tom Bruhns August 30th 03 04:00 PM

"Bibby" wrote in message news:YGP3b.227320$Oz4.62141@rwcrnsc54...
Dick, you got a lot of helpful feedback on your question - yet no response
from you.

Don't you think a simple "thank you" would be in order?


I'm glad to see that others feel the same way I do about that. I
often respond to questions, and end up with no idea if my response was
helpful or not. "Thank yous" are nice, but feedback even without a
thank-you would also be welcome, just to know that we're not talking
into the wind. Also, an "I solved the problem (thus-and-such way)" is
helpful: we then know we don't have to write any more, and maybe we
learn another way to solve such a problem, or place to get such parts.
Sometimes the discussion is worthwhile even without the OP's
response, but I'd always like to see _something_ back from the OP.

Welcome to bash me unmercifully if I fail to follow up like that on
any question I post!

Cheers,
Tom


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