Jeff Spidle wrote:
hmmm, I have recently had the same discussion with my XYL, we have a 1 yr
old.

My self and another NASA trained ham, N9AEP, just completed teaching a
soldering class for our ham club, Schaumburg Amateur Radio Club.

The EU is going to require all soldering to be Pb free in 2004, I believe
that all US manufacturers will be required to do so in '06. I'm sure I'll be
corrected on the dates.


The reason for banning lead solder isn't that it is dangerous to people
using it,
but rather that old electronic equipment ends up in landfill and so does
the lead.
Auto batteries require special disposal for this reason. The idea is to
ban the use
of lead in all products (where possible) to eliminate disposal problems.

But just how good IS lead free solder? I guess it DOES work well in
plumbing
where it has been in use for many years.

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing? The
small
amount that it IS soluble is the danger. Guess the Romans went mad due
to their
use of lead pipes (that's where the word plumber comes from, the latin
for lead
is plumbum, and the atomic symbol for lead is Pb). Could be the lead
pipes were
the reason for the fall of the empire?

kenneth scharf wrote:

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing?

____________________

Lead is NEARLY insoluble in water, but the more acid the water is, the more
soluble it becomes.

And to answer your question, it WAS used in plumbing for many years until
someone made the connection. Just like carbon tetrachloride for dry cleaning or
asbestos for insulation.

--
Bill W6WRT

Bill Turner wrote:
kenneth scharf wrote:

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing?


____________________

Lead is NEARLY insoluble in water, but the more acid the water is, the
more soluble it becomes.

And to answer your question, it WAS used in plumbing for many years
until someone made the connection.

Like I said the word 'plumber' comes from the latin plumbum meaning
lead. Ancient Rome was the first to use lead pipes. Could be why
Nero was mad as a hatter.

In article ,
kenneth scharf wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:
kenneth scharf wrote:

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing?


____________________

Lead is NEARLY insoluble in water, but the more acid the water is, the
more soluble it becomes.

And to answer your question, it WAS used in plumbing for many years
until someone made the connection.

Like I said the word 'plumber' comes from the latin plumbum meaning
lead. Ancient Rome was the first to use lead pipes. Could be why
Nero was mad as a hatter.



I heard this. Their wine was being drunk from lead-lined flasks.

Al

--
There's never enough time to do it right the first time.......

In article ,
kenneth scharf wrote:

Bill Turner wrote:
kenneth scharf wrote:

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing?


____________________

Lead is NEARLY insoluble in water, but the more acid the water is, the
more soluble it becomes.

And to answer your question, it WAS used in plumbing for many years
until someone made the connection.

Like I said the word 'plumber' comes from the latin plumbum meaning
lead. Ancient Rome was the first to use lead pipes. Could be why
Nero was mad as a hatter.



I heard this. Their wine was being drunk from lead-lined flasks.

Al

--
There's never enough time to do it right the first time.......

Bill Turner wrote:
kenneth scharf wrote:

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing?


____________________

Lead is NEARLY insoluble in water, but the more acid the water is, the
more soluble it becomes.

And to answer your question, it WAS used in plumbing for many years
until someone made the connection.

Like I said the word 'plumber' comes from the latin plumbum meaning
lead. Ancient Rome was the first to use lead pipes. Could be why
Nero was mad as a hatter.

kenneth scharf wrote:

Jeff Spidle wrote:

hmmm, I have recently had the same discussion with my XYL, we have a 1 yr
old.

My self and another NASA trained ham, N9AEP, just completed teaching a
soldering class for our ham club, Schaumburg Amateur Radio Club.

The EU is going to require all soldering to be Pb free in 2004, I believe
that all US manufacturers will be required to do so in '06. I'm sure
I'll be
corrected on the dates.


The reason for banning lead solder isn't that it is dangerous to people
using it,
but rather that old electronic equipment ends up in landfill and so does
the lead.
Auto batteries require special disposal for this reason. The idea is to
ban the use
of lead in all products (where possible) to eliminate disposal problems.

But just how good IS lead free solder? I guess it DOES work well in
plumbing
where it has been in use for many years.

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing? The
small
amount that it IS soluble is the danger. Guess the Romans went mad due
to their
use of lead pipes (that's where the word plumber comes from, the latin
for lead
is plumbum, and the atomic symbol for lead is Pb). Could be the lead
pipes were
the reason for the fall of the empire?


They were poisoning themselves with lead, but it wasn't from the
plumbing. The water that was carried to Rome from the aqueducts was
extremely hard, and a layer of calcium formed on the interior of the
pipes just about immediately after being put in use.

Where they got their lead was from storage containers for wine. They
used lead containers for this! I believe they credited the lead with
preservative powers. The acidic wine pulled a lot of lead out ot the
container and into the gullets of the drinkers.

- Mike -

Mike,

I was in Pompei in 2000 and saw the lead pipes that were used to distribute
water throughout the town. They even had valves to turn the water on and
off, It looked like they made the pipe by rolling a sheet around a dowell
and then folding the lead to make a seal. They may have used other methods
also that I did not see. It was pretty interesting. We seldom give the
antients credit for what they did and think of things like indoor plumbing
is something new.

According to the guide, they knew that Lead was a problem back then (Pompei
was covered with ash from nearby Mt. Vesuvuis in 79 AD). They were in the
process of changing from lead to something else which I cannot remember.

73, Harry, W3IIT

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...
kenneth scharf wrote:

Jeff Spidle wrote:

hmmm, I have recently had the same discussion with my XYL, we have a 1 yr
old.

My self and another NASA trained ham, N9AEP, just completed teaching a
soldering class for our ham club, Schaumburg Amateur Radio Club.

The EU is going to require all soldering to be Pb free in 2004, I believe
that all US manufacturers will be required to do so in '06. I'm sure
I'll be
corrected on the dates.


The reason for banning lead solder isn't that it is dangerous to people
using it,
but rather that old electronic equipment ends up in landfill and so does
the lead.
Auto batteries require special disposal for this reason. The idea is to
ban the use
of lead in all products (where possible) to eliminate disposal problems.

But just how good IS lead free solder? I guess it DOES work well in
plumbing
where it has been in use for many years.

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing? The
small
amount that it IS soluble is the danger. Guess the Romans went mad due
to their
use of lead pipes (that's where the word plumber comes from, the latin
for lead
is plumbum, and the atomic symbol for lead is Pb). Could be the lead
pipes were
the reason for the fall of the empire?


They were poisoning themselves with lead, but it wasn't from the
plumbing. The water that was carried to Rome from the aqueducts was
extremely hard, and a layer of calcium formed on the interior of the
pipes just about immediately after being put in use.

Where they got their lead was from storage containers for wine. They
used lead containers for this! I believe they credited the lead with
preservative powers. The acidic wine pulled a lot of lead out ot the
container and into the gullets of the drinkers.

- Mike -

Mike,

I was in Pompei in 2000 and saw the lead pipes that were used to distribute
water throughout the town. They even had valves to turn the water on and
off, It looked like they made the pipe by rolling a sheet around a dowell
and then folding the lead to make a seal. They may have used other methods
also that I did not see. It was pretty interesting. We seldom give the
antients credit for what they did and think of things like indoor plumbing
is something new.

According to the guide, they knew that Lead was a problem back then (Pompei
was covered with ash from nearby Mt. Vesuvuis in 79 AD). They were in the
process of changing from lead to something else which I cannot remember.

73, Harry, W3IIT

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
t...
kenneth scharf wrote:

Jeff Spidle wrote:

hmmm, I have recently had the same discussion with my XYL, we have a 1 yr
old.

My self and another NASA trained ham, N9AEP, just completed teaching a
soldering class for our ham club, Schaumburg Amateur Radio Club.

The EU is going to require all soldering to be Pb free in 2004, I believe
that all US manufacturers will be required to do so in '06. I'm sure
I'll be
corrected on the dates.


The reason for banning lead solder isn't that it is dangerous to people
using it,
but rather that old electronic equipment ends up in landfill and so does
the lead.
Auto batteries require special disposal for this reason. The idea is to
ban the use
of lead in all products (where possible) to eliminate disposal problems.

But just how good IS lead free solder? I guess it DOES work well in
plumbing
where it has been in use for many years.

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing? The
small
amount that it IS soluble is the danger. Guess the Romans went mad due
to their
use of lead pipes (that's where the word plumber comes from, the latin
for lead
is plumbum, and the atomic symbol for lead is Pb). Could be the lead
pipes were
the reason for the fall of the empire?


They were poisoning themselves with lead, but it wasn't from the
plumbing. The water that was carried to Rome from the aqueducts was
extremely hard, and a layer of calcium formed on the interior of the
pipes just about immediately after being put in use.

Where they got their lead was from storage containers for wine. They
used lead containers for this! I believe they credited the lead with
preservative powers. The acidic wine pulled a lot of lead out ot the
container and into the gullets of the drinkers.

- Mike -

kenneth scharf wrote:

If lead is insoluble in water, then WHY isn't it used in plumbing?

____________________

Lead is NEARLY insoluble in water, but the more acid the water is, the more
soluble it becomes.

And to answer your question, it WAS used in plumbing for many years until
someone made the connection. Just like carbon tetrachloride for dry cleaning or
asbestos for insulation.

--
Bill W6WRT