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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message ... I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the basis of any station. Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success. I suggest the following.... DDS VFO VFO display based upon graphic LCD to simulate the use of a tuning knob-plus-dial. Tuning knob plus flywheel using optical sensors, giving the "Feel" associated with traditional rigs. DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing problems that arise in narrow baseband filters for CW. ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams. Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to join this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which you are famous. Bring back the G2DAF rx/tx I say. johnny g3liv. |
Airy R. Bean wrote:
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? ... ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams. IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. Save it for when one's got some experience under the belt & is interested in trying something new. The homebrew design that would, IMHO, bring a lot of new folks to the HB fold, would be... A simple, inexpensive, easy to duplicate, linear amplifier. 2-5 watts in, 50-100 watts out; good for all HF bands; run from 12V. (yes, there are certain advantages to using 28V, but 12V power supplies are cheap and ubiquitous. I know I misspelled that!) It could be used with a wide variety of existing HB QRP transceivers, or with a variety of commercial QRP gear. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
Airy R. Bean wrote:
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? ... ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams. IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. Save it for when one's got some experience under the belt & is interested in trying something new. The homebrew design that would, IMHO, bring a lot of new folks to the HB fold, would be... A simple, inexpensive, easy to duplicate, linear amplifier. 2-5 watts in, 50-100 watts out; good for all HF bands; run from 12V. (yes, there are certain advantages to using 28V, but 12V power supplies are cheap and ubiquitous. I know I misspelled that!) It could be used with a wide variety of existing HB QRP transceivers, or with a variety of commercial QRP gear. -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
"Sam" wrote in message . uk... In article , No- . says... Says the "brain dead CB'er"... tox Is this yet another Cber coming to the defence of the cowering coward RVMJ? How's the Morse training coming along? Lets hope it's going better than the potty training! tox |
"Sam" wrote in message . uk... In article , No- . says... Says the "brain dead CB'er"... tox Is this yet another Cber coming to the defence of the cowering coward RVMJ? How's the Morse training coming along? Lets hope it's going better than the potty training! tox |
Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
Doug Smith W9WI wrote:
IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
Doug Smith W9WI wrote in news:405CE6DD.6060605
@invalid.invalid: Doug Smith W9WI wrote: IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) The alternative would be pretty silly though, wouldn't it? That is, the more tests you pass the less power you are allowed. Nobody would upgrade, would they? |
Doug Smith W9WI wrote in news:405CE6DD.6060605
@invalid.invalid: Doug Smith W9WI wrote: IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) The alternative would be pretty silly though, wouldn't it? That is, the more tests you pass the less power you are allowed. Nobody would upgrade, would they? |
If you start out with a defeatist attitude, and pass that
defeatism onto your protégés, then, yes, you and they will be defeated. "Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... Airy R. Bean wrote: I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams. IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. Save it for when one's got some experience under the belt & is interested in trying something new. |
If you start out with a defeatist attitude, and pass that
defeatism onto your protégés, then, yes, you and they will be defeated. "Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... Airy R. Bean wrote: I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams. IMHO... QRP, for the new-to-HF ham whose Morse (and/or voice procedures) isn't all that solid yet... and who's probably using a comprimise antenna... is really not a good idea. Save it for when one's got some experience under the belt & is interested in trying something new. |
Handling successfully the vagaries of the communications system is part
of what _REAL_ Ham Radio is all about. If you want 59+ BBC quality then neither Ham Radio nor this thread is for you. CB Radio, perhaps? "Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) |
Handling successfully the vagaries of the communications system is part
of what _REAL_ Ham Radio is all about. If you want 59+ BBC quality then neither Ham Radio nor this thread is for you. CB Radio, perhaps? "Doug Smith W9WI" wrote in message ... (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:50:39 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI wrote: (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) I take it that "ESP" is short for "Extra Sensory Perception" ... which would be needed before I would be able to hear any M3's signal! (yep! Actually on PSK31 I suppose the proper phrase would be "reading between the lines", quite literally...) -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
Walt Davidson wrote:
On Sun, 21 Mar 2004 00:50:39 GMT, Doug Smith W9WI wrote: (I managed to work one of your Foundation licensees on 21MHz PSK31 last week, but it wasn't easy to copy her QRP (and ESP!) signal...) I take it that "ESP" is short for "Extra Sensory Perception" ... which would be needed before I would be able to hear any M3's signal! (yep! Actually on PSK31 I suppose the proper phrase would be "reading between the lines", quite literally...) -- Doug Smith W9WI Pleasant View (Nashville), TN EM66 http://www.w9wi.com |
In article , Paul Burridge
writes: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie wrote: In message , Airy R. Bean writes I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? Elecraft already do a range of these http://www.elecraft.com/ Good but expensive, aren't they? Not for what you get. It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed the Elecraft specs at a lower price? You can see what you're up against quite easily by downloading the Elecraft manuals from their website. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
In article , Paul Burridge
writes: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie wrote: In message , Airy R. Bean writes I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices and experienced constructors alike? Elecraft already do a range of these http://www.elecraft.com/ Good but expensive, aren't they? Not for what you get. It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed the Elecraft specs at a lower price? You can see what you're up against quite easily by downloading the Elecraft manuals from their website. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the
typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile for a decent price.. So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about designing a rig within the NG that would provide the facilities that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one might build oneself? "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Paul Burridge writes: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie wrote: Elecraft already do a range of these http://www.elecraft.com/ Good but expensive, aren't they? Not for what you get. |
I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the
typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile for a decent price.. So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about designing a rig within the NG that would provide the facilities that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one might build oneself? "N2EY" wrote in message ... In article , Paul Burridge writes: On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie wrote: Elecraft already do a range of these http://www.elecraft.com/ Good but expensive, aren't they? Not for what you get. |
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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in : I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile for a decent price.. So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about designing a rig within the NG that would provide the facilities that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one might build oneself? You had my offer of help both on this newsgroup and by email. Offer still stands until 23:59 21/4/03. Leigh.... -- #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied |
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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in : I had a look at the elecraft site and it looks like the typical Yankland commercial rip-off - by the time you've added all the "options" you haven't got anything worthwhile for a decent price.. So, ignoring the obvious plugs for "elecrap" how's about designing a rig within the NG that would provide the facilities that a newcomer and OM alike need, and which one might build oneself? You had my offer of help both on this newsgroup and by email. Offer still stands until 23:59 21/4/03. Leigh.... -- #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied |
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message ... The only exception to the attributes of the KW2000 which I'd modify is the 200kHz wide bands. I think they were copying Collins..... |
"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message ... The only exception to the attributes of the KW2000 which I'd modify is the 200kHz wide bands. I think they were copying Collins..... |
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