Restoring the status quo of Ham Radio
 

I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's
CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the
basis of any station.

Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success.

I suggest the following....
DDS VFO
VFO display based upon graphic LCD to simulate
the use of a tuning knob-plus-dial.
Tuning knob plus flywheel using optical sensors,
giving the "Feel" associated with traditional rigs.

DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps
with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing
problems that arise in narrow baseband filters
for CW.

ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.

Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to join
this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be
meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which
you are famous.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps
with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing
problems that arise in narrow baseband filters
for CW.


Airy, giving advice on DSP...

BWWWWWWWWWWhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps
with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing
problems that arise in narrow baseband filters
for CW.


Airy, giving advice on DSP...

BWWWWWWWWWWhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha

In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

Elecraft already do a range of these

http://www.elecraft.com/

Latter-day Heathkit

Brian


--
Brian Howie

In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

Elecraft already do a range of these

http://www.elecraft.com/

Latter-day Heathkit

Brian


--
Brian Howie

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:

In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

Elecraft already do a range of these

http://www.elecraft.com/

Good but expensive, aren't they?
It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It
would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their
knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed
the Elecraft specs at a lower price?

p.
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The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:

In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

Elecraft already do a range of these

http://www.elecraft.com/

Good but expensive, aren't they?
It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It
would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their
knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed
the Elecraft specs at a lower price?

p.
--

The BBC: Licensed at public expense to spread lies.

I have no experience of the Elecraft kits, but I suspect
that the packing density of components on their PCB's
would mediate against future maintenance and fault-finding?

Also, for Britland, AIUI, there are problems for the man-in-the-street
having to organise his own shipping and passage through customs?

A kit of our own design would not be subject to proprietary
trade secrets. If the AF amp was specced at, say, 1mw into
600 Ohms, then almost any AF amp chip would do the job.

While on the subject of fault -finding, one RX which sticks in my
mind as being very easy to repair was the R210, because all the
aluminium chassis (pl?) folded out on hinges for easy access.

As part of being a _REAL_ Radio Ham is maintaining our own
gear, then there is food for thought in this area.

"Paul Burridge" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:
In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?
Elecraft already do a range of these
http://www.elecraft.com/
Good but expensive, aren't they?
It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It
would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their
knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed
the Elecraft specs at a lower price?

I have no experience of the Elecraft kits, but I suspect
that the packing density of components on their PCB's
would mediate against future maintenance and fault-finding?

Also, for Britland, AIUI, there are problems for the man-in-the-street
having to organise his own shipping and passage through customs?

A kit of our own design would not be subject to proprietary
trade secrets. If the AF amp was specced at, say, 1mw into
600 Ohms, then almost any AF amp chip would do the job.

While on the subject of fault -finding, one RX which sticks in my
mind as being very easy to repair was the R210, because all the
aluminium chassis (pl?) folded out on hinges for easy access.

As part of being a _REAL_ Radio Ham is maintaining our own
gear, then there is food for thought in this area.

"Paul Burridge" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 13:00:48 +0000, Brian Howie
wrote:
In message , Airy R. Bean
writes
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?
Elecraft already do a range of these
http://www.elecraft.com/
Good but expensive, aren't they?
It would be great to see the people on this group design one here. It
would be invaluable info for those interested in furthering their
knowlege of the hobby and maybe the end product could equal or exceed
the Elecraft specs at a lower price?

So you agree that there are problems?

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
Also, for Britland, AIUI, there are problems for the man-in-the-street
having to organise his own shipping and passage through customs?
Has been handled a number of ways for Brits, Germans and French.

So you agree that there are problems?

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
Also, for Britland, AIUI, there are problems for the man-in-the-street
having to organise his own shipping and passage through customs?
Has been handled a number of ways for Brits, Germans and French.

But it doesn't speak for the essence of Ham Radio.

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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5,000 Elecraft K2 kits sold, built and supported -- speaks for itself.

But it doesn't speak for the essence of Ham Radio.

"G.Beat" wrote in message
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5,000 Elecraft K2 kits sold, built and supported -- speaks for itself.

Airy R. Bean dribbled:
snip

Now what has he been reading?

Or should I say been read to him!



The level of care in the community has definitely dropped.

Airy R. Bean dribbled:
snip

Now what has he been reading?

Or should I say been read to him!



The level of care in the community has definitely dropped.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

I'll go for that - willing to offer some webspace too.

See Gareth - I'm not all that bad.

I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's
CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would
provide the basis of any station.

Fine radio the KW2000. Work great. One of my club guys has
nothing more recent in his shack for HF use.

Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success.

Yup. Make it a similar project to the K1 and K2 Elecraft -
i.e. you can make it work in stages and use itself as a piece
of test gear too.

ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.

Steady. You could lose my interest quickly.

Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to
join this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be
meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which
you are famous.

Sure - make it good and you never know what could come of
this. Do feel free to email me Gareth - I won't bite - have
about 50Gb of webspace doing nothing.

Leigh....

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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

I'll go for that - willing to offer some webspace too.

See Gareth - I'm not all that bad.

I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's
CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would
provide the basis of any station.

Fine radio the KW2000. Work great. One of my club guys has
nothing more recent in his shack for HF use.

Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success.

Yup. Make it a similar project to the K1 and K2 Elecraft -
i.e. you can make it work in stages and use itself as a piece
of test gear too.

ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.

Steady. You could lose my interest quickly.

Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to
join this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be
meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which
you are famous.

Sure - make it good and you never know what could come of
this. Do feel free to email me Gareth - I won't bite - have
about 50Gb of webspace doing nothing.

Leigh....

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mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo
yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;}
{sleep;} finger: permission denied

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

How is the number of postings to a mail reflector an
indication of component density?

I feel this was a demonstration of the popularity and supporters
of Elecraft - not so to do with component density.



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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in
:

How is the number of postings to a mail reflector an
indication of component density?

I feel this was a demonstration of the popularity and supporters
of Elecraft - not so to do with component density.



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{sleep;} finger: permission denied

Airy R. Bean wrote:

I have no experience of the Elecraft kits, but I suspect
that the packing density of components on their PCB's
would mediate against future maintenance and fault-finding?


No, I don't think so. Have built a K2 #4030 about 8 weeks ago
with SSB balanced modulator and DSP options. It uses no SMDs
(except one case described below) and you can get at most things
for both DC measurements or for attaching a scope probe to.
On the DSP, there is a piggy-back board pre-manufactured with
the DSP chip as an SMD. Elecraft publish a DC voltage table
to assist in trouble shooting. The email reflector had plenty
of knowldeable Elecraft owners to assist or make suggesstions
and the Elecraft post-sales support is also good.

Also built a KX1 for a white stick op ham friend. If anything,
the component density on that and the add-on boards is higher
than the K2. It uses a couple of SMDs, the main one for the DDS.
But apart from that, most things are accessible. The KX1
was an ideal rig for my friend to take on holiday since it's
small and supports eyes-free operation with CW feedback.

73, David, M0DHO

Airy R. Bean wrote:

I have no experience of the Elecraft kits, but I suspect
that the packing density of components on their PCB's
would mediate against future maintenance and fault-finding?


No, I don't think so. Have built a K2 #4030 about 8 weeks ago
with SSB balanced modulator and DSP options. It uses no SMDs
(except one case described below) and you can get at most things
for both DC measurements or for attaching a scope probe to.
On the DSP, there is a piggy-back board pre-manufactured with
the DSP chip as an SMD. Elecraft publish a DC voltage table
to assist in trouble shooting. The email reflector had plenty
of knowldeable Elecraft owners to assist or make suggesstions
and the Elecraft post-sales support is also good.

Also built a KX1 for a white stick op ham friend. If anything,
the component density on that and the add-on boards is higher
than the K2. It uses a couple of SMDs, the main one for the DDS.
But apart from that, most things are accessible. The KX1
was an ideal rig for my friend to take on holiday since it's
small and supports eyes-free operation with CW feedback.

73, David, M0DHO

"Sam" wrote in message
. uk...
In article ,
says...

The cowering coward RVMJ invents another sock-puppet to bore us all with
his nugatory comments.

Says the "brain dead CB'er"...

tox

"Sam" wrote in message
. uk...
In article ,
says...

The cowering coward RVMJ invents another sock-puppet to bore us all with
his nugatory comments.

Says the "brain dead CB'er"...

tox

a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the
basis of any station.

I've got a KW2000 ..........with one 6146........

a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the
basis of any station.

I've got a KW2000 ..........with one 6146........

The only exception to the attributes of the KW2000
which I'd modify is the 200kHz wide bands.

"jim.gm4dhj" wrote in message
news:1y%6c.10$mG4.1@newsfe1-win...

a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the
basis of any station.

I've got a KW2000 ..........with one 6146........

The only exception to the attributes of the KW2000
which I'd modify is the 200kHz wide bands.

"jim.gm4dhj" wrote in message
news:1y%6c.10$mG4.1@newsfe1-win...

a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the
basis of any station.

I've got a KW2000 ..........with one 6146........

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?


A good idea.

There are a few people with the required knowledge.

Walt could help with the specification.

Gary (is it Peach) also.

Brian (G8OSN) is probably one of the few with the technical knowledge
needed.

You, Airy, could sweep the floor.

73s de

GW

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?


A good idea.

There are a few people with the required knowledge.

Walt could help with the specification.

Gary (is it Peach) also.

Brian (G8OSN) is probably one of the few with the technical knowledge
needed.

You, Airy, could sweep the floor.

73s de

GW

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:47:27 +0000, Gerry Bilt wrote:


Morons-'R'-U, I guess, especially as the remark wasn't addressed to
you.

as previously predicted.
the displayed attitude towards
properly qualified a-licensees is a disgrace
and only goes to predict what kind of behaviour
will in time show up on 40m once someone says that their
callsign is g3 or g4 or even g0.

hopefully the g2's will be treated with utmost respect
regardless of the topic of conversation.

On Sat, 20 Mar 2004 17:47:27 +0000, Gerry Bilt wrote:


Morons-'R'-U, I guess, especially as the remark wasn't addressed to
you.

as previously predicted.
the displayed attitude towards
properly qualified a-licensees is a disgrace
and only goes to predict what kind of behaviour
will in time show up on 40m once someone says that their
callsign is g3 or g4 or even g0.

hopefully the g2's will be treated with utmost respect
regardless of the topic of conversation.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
The only exception to the attributes of the KW2000
which I'd modify is the 200kHz wide bands.


Can't you cope with modern technology?

The KW wasn't even good for its day.

Is this why you keep getting sacked?

GW

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
The only exception to the attributes of the KW2000
which I'd modify is the 200kHz wide bands.


Can't you cope with modern technology?

The KW wasn't even good for its day.

Is this why you keep getting sacked?

GW

"The Sperminator" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps
with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing
problems that arise in narrow baseband filters
for CW.


Airy, giving advice on DSP...

BWWWWWWWWWWhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha

Or any advice.

A KW2000 with that works on the "RF bands"

73s de

GW

"The Sperminator" [email protected] wrote in message
...

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...

DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps
with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing
problems that arise in narrow baseband filters
for CW.


Airy, giving advice on DSP...

BWWWWWWWWWWhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaahhahahaha

Or any advice.

A KW2000 with that works on the "RF bands"

73s de

GW

"Graham W" wrote in message
...

snip

You, Airy, could sweep the floor.

Any suggestions where to stick the broom?

J.

"Graham W" wrote in message
...

snip

You, Airy, could sweep the floor.

Any suggestions where to stick the broom?

J.

"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
So you agree that there are problems?

The problems are with you, not the kit
Marco



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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
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So you agree that there are problems?

The problems are with you, not the kit
Marco



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"Airy R. Bean" wrote in message
...
I wonder if we as a NG might put together a design
for an HF rig that could be built with ease by novices
and experienced constructors alike?

I suggest that none of the CB-style gadgets of today's
CB-style rigs are necessary and that a reproducible design
having only the facilities of, say, the KW2000, would provide the
basis of any station.

Keeping it simple will increase the chance of success.

I suggest the following....
DDS VFO
VFO display based upon graphic LCD to simulate
the use of a tuning knob-plus-dial.
Tuning knob plus flywheel using optical sensors,
giving the "Feel" associated with traditional rigs.

DSP for the audio and mixing stages, perhaps
with a low IF of ooo 50kHz to resolve the ringing
problems that arise in narrow baseband filters
for CW.

ooo 100mW output allowing the choice of PA
for CBers-Masquerading-As-Radio-Hams or
running barefoot QRP for _REAL_ Radio Hams.

Any of the established CB types in this NG are welcome to join
this discussion, I only ask that your contributions be
meaningful and not the inane sneering 'n; jeering for which
you are famous.

Bring back the G2DAF rx/tx I say.

johnny g3liv.