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Harold E. Johnson April 12th 04 11:16 PM




The only distributor-stock SRDs I know of are the M/Acom MA44767,
MA44768, MA44769 parts, all SOT-23 and dirt cheap. I think Penstock
carries them. The '68 or '69 should be good for multiplication to 2
GHz. For high ratios, an SRD will beat a plain diode by a huge amount.
There are lots of appnotes around about using them as multipliers.

I have a bunch in stock and can send a few to anybody who wants to
play.


I'd like to talk you out of a couple, and thanks for the supplier info.
Wonder what MaCom's min order is? Anything you need in trade or a few green
stamps?

W4ZCB
Call Book Address.



Harold E. Johnson April 12th 04 11:16 PM




The only distributor-stock SRDs I know of are the M/Acom MA44767,
MA44768, MA44769 parts, all SOT-23 and dirt cheap. I think Penstock
carries them. The '68 or '69 should be good for multiplication to 2
GHz. For high ratios, an SRD will beat a plain diode by a huge amount.
There are lots of appnotes around about using them as multipliers.

I have a bunch in stock and can send a few to anybody who wants to
play.


I'd like to talk you out of a couple, and thanks for the supplier info.
Wonder what MaCom's min order is? Anything you need in trade or a few green
stamps?

W4ZCB
Call Book Address.



John Larkin April 13th 04 04:07 AM

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:16:01 GMT, "Harold E. Johnson"
wrote:




The only distributor-stock SRDs I know of are the M/Acom MA44767,
MA44768, MA44769 parts, all SOT-23 and dirt cheap. I think Penstock
carries them. The '68 or '69 should be good for multiplication to 2
GHz. For high ratios, an SRD will beat a plain diode by a huge amount.
There are lots of appnotes around about using them as multipliers.

I have a bunch in stock and can send a few to anybody who wants to
play.


I'd like to talk you out of a couple, and thanks for the supplier info.
Wonder what MaCom's min order is? Anything you need in trade or a few green
stamps?

W4ZCB
Call Book Address.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ don't have one. Email me, with hopefully obvious
despam.

John


John Larkin April 13th 04 04:07 AM

On Mon, 12 Apr 2004 22:16:01 GMT, "Harold E. Johnson"
wrote:




The only distributor-stock SRDs I know of are the M/Acom MA44767,
MA44768, MA44769 parts, all SOT-23 and dirt cheap. I think Penstock
carries them. The '68 or '69 should be good for multiplication to 2
GHz. For high ratios, an SRD will beat a plain diode by a huge amount.
There are lots of appnotes around about using them as multipliers.

I have a bunch in stock and can send a few to anybody who wants to
play.


I'd like to talk you out of a couple, and thanks for the supplier info.
Wonder what MaCom's min order is? Anything you need in trade or a few green
stamps?

W4ZCB
Call Book Address.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ don't have one. Email me, with hopefully obvious
despam.

John


Paul_Morphy April 13th 04 05:00 AM


"John Larkin" wrote in
message ...


W4ZCB
Call Book Address.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ don't have one. Email me, with hopefully obvious
despam.


http://qrz.com/callsign/w4zcb

"PM"



Paul_Morphy April 13th 04 05:00 AM


"John Larkin" wrote in
message ...


W4ZCB
Call Book Address.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ don't have one. Email me, with hopefully obvious
despam.


http://qrz.com/callsign/w4zcb

"PM"



Tom Bruhns April 13th 04 06:44 PM

Hi Harold,

Nice of John to make that offer!

As for background and theory, I'll make copies of an artcile or two to
send you, about the discovery of the effect and the optimization of
diode structure to enhance it. I suppose that the effect you're
seeing with the Schottkys is almost entirely capacitive stored charge,
and that won't "sweep out" of the diode with the sharp step you get
with a step-recovery diode. The articles I'll send have info about
efficiency, which can be surprisingly high considering the high order
of multiplication.

Cheers,
Tom

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message news:3QBec.21137$_K3.55643@attbi_s53...
If you do use diodes for higher-order harmonic generation, and not
just a simple full-wave-rectifier type frequency doubler, I suppose
you want something of the nature of a step recovery diode. That
implies minority carrier stored charge in the diode, and that would
preclude using a Schottky diode (which would work great in the
full-wave-rectifier type doubler). If you get into actually wanting
to generate harmonic combs out to microwave frequencies, it's probably
worthwhile looking for diodes actually characterized for step recovery
service. But I really think that's way beyond what you are trying to
accomplish right now.


My turn to learn something here. Tom, would you elaborate a bit on the above
please? I know SRD's are comb generators out to visible light, but they're
also 50 percent hard to find and 50 percent magic. I've been using
Schottky's for X16 multipliers to 2 GHz, am I doing something wrong? (I keep
promising myself that I'm gonna substitute an MMIC for that one day, I DID
find the "Filter Gain" in the line length from generator to filter), THAT
was both impressive AND helpful. If I go with the MMIC, any preference of
Silicon over GaAs?

Regards

W4ZCB


Tom Bruhns April 13th 04 06:44 PM

Hi Harold,

Nice of John to make that offer!

As for background and theory, I'll make copies of an artcile or two to
send you, about the discovery of the effect and the optimization of
diode structure to enhance it. I suppose that the effect you're
seeing with the Schottkys is almost entirely capacitive stored charge,
and that won't "sweep out" of the diode with the sharp step you get
with a step-recovery diode. The articles I'll send have info about
efficiency, which can be surprisingly high considering the high order
of multiplication.

Cheers,
Tom

"Harold E. Johnson" wrote in message news:3QBec.21137$_K3.55643@attbi_s53...
If you do use diodes for higher-order harmonic generation, and not
just a simple full-wave-rectifier type frequency doubler, I suppose
you want something of the nature of a step recovery diode. That
implies minority carrier stored charge in the diode, and that would
preclude using a Schottky diode (which would work great in the
full-wave-rectifier type doubler). If you get into actually wanting
to generate harmonic combs out to microwave frequencies, it's probably
worthwhile looking for diodes actually characterized for step recovery
service. But I really think that's way beyond what you are trying to
accomplish right now.


My turn to learn something here. Tom, would you elaborate a bit on the above
please? I know SRD's are comb generators out to visible light, but they're
also 50 percent hard to find and 50 percent magic. I've been using
Schottky's for X16 multipliers to 2 GHz, am I doing something wrong? (I keep
promising myself that I'm gonna substitute an MMIC for that one day, I DID
find the "Filter Gain" in the line length from generator to filter), THAT
was both impressive AND helpful. If I go with the MMIC, any preference of
Silicon over GaAs?

Regards

W4ZCB


John Larkin April 13th 04 08:14 PM

On 13 Apr 2004 10:44:19 -0700, (Tom Bruhns) wrote:

Hi Harold,

Nice of John to make that offer!

As for background and theory, I'll make copies of an artcile or two to
send you, about the discovery of the effect and the optimization of
diode structure to enhance it. I suppose that the effect you're
seeing with the Schottkys is almost entirely capacitive stored charge,
and that won't "sweep out" of the diode with the sharp step you get
with a step-recovery diode. The articles I'll send have info about
efficiency, which can be surprisingly high considering the high order
of multiplication.

Cheers,
Tom


Tom,

I'd appreciate a copy of that stuff. The history of the Boff Diode is
kinda neat.

I have some papers (hardcopy... faxable) on the Grehkov-effect drift
step-recovery diode; we use it to make 2400-volt, 3 ns wide pulses at
500 KHz, as long as the cold water keeps flowing.

John



John Larkin April 13th 04 08:14 PM

On 13 Apr 2004 10:44:19 -0700, (Tom Bruhns) wrote:

Hi Harold,

Nice of John to make that offer!

As for background and theory, I'll make copies of an artcile or two to
send you, about the discovery of the effect and the optimization of
diode structure to enhance it. I suppose that the effect you're
seeing with the Schottkys is almost entirely capacitive stored charge,
and that won't "sweep out" of the diode with the sharp step you get
with a step-recovery diode. The articles I'll send have info about
efficiency, which can be surprisingly high considering the high order
of multiplication.

Cheers,
Tom


Tom,

I'd appreciate a copy of that stuff. The history of the Boff Diode is
kinda neat.

I have some papers (hardcopy... faxable) on the Grehkov-effect drift
step-recovery diode; we use it to make 2400-volt, 3 ns wide pulses at
500 KHz, as long as the cold water keeps flowing.

John




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