"zerobeat" wrote in message
om...
Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be
used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've
seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a
small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73,
Mike.

You can also go the ComSpec ID-8 route (which is fully programmable)
http://www.com-spec.com/id8.htm

http://www.com-spec.com/id8test.htm

w9gb

If you don't want to spend an afternoon building a programmer for a PIC, AVR
or whatever, be prepared to pay the long dollar. There are few folks these
days who would build an IDer from discrete circuits. However, it's a pain
in the butt trying to make an IDer programmable for someone who doesn't want
to program!

Understand that the "programming" doesn't have to be the barrier you
suspect. Taking the PIC as an example, the PIC itself is under $3 depending
on the model you choose. It needs 5 volts (a 78L05 and a couple of caps) or
a 3 volt battery. If you are nutty about timing accuracy, it needs a
crystal, 44 cents at DigiKey, or 98 cents if you want tiny. For an IDer,
the only other thing you need is an interface to your audio, probably a
transistor and a couple of resistors. If you want to build it up the
"traditional" way, you will need a fistful of logic chips and a whole
armload of diodes, or an array of DIP switches. Nobody would do that
anymore, it's too exepnsive and complicated.

To program a PIC, there are dozens of circuits out there. Probably the one
that got most people started is the No Parts PIC programmer from Covington
Innovations, because you got to have a pretty lame junk box not to have all
the parts you need. Even if you have nothing, you can go down to Radio
Shack and get all the parts for under $15, even at their outrageous prices.
There are simpler designs, as well. Commercial programmers range from about
$20 to over $100. All of the necessary software is available free. Once
you invest in the programming capability you now can make not only IDers,
but keyers, CW readers, autotuners, synthesizers, and on and on and on.

I used the PIC only as an example. There are folks who would suggest that
an AVR, HC908, or whatever is better. None of them change the equation very
much. The PIC is one of the simpler parts and has been around a while, so
there are hundreds of examples out there for all sorts of applications.

An IDer is a good learning application -- it's hard to think of something
simpler. Unless you expect that this will be your last project, it's
probably worthwhile to bite the bullet and dive in..

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"zerobeat" wrote in message
om...
Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be
used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've
seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a
small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73,
Mike.

(zerobeat) wrote in message . com...
Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be
used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've
seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a
small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73,
Mike.

Parallax have already produced Application Note 8,
which does exactly what you need. You just have to
change one line to have it send the message you want.
Please explain how this is difficult.

Laura Halliday VE7LDH "Que les nuages soient notre
Grid: CN89mg pied a terre..."
ICBM: 49 16.05 N 122 56.92 W - Hospital/Shafte

Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds
BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises
has a web site that can be found with google.

For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er
and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial
port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also
responds to dtmf commands.

Very Cool!

cheers
skipp

www.radiowrench.com

: zerobeat wrote:
: Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be
: used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've
: seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a
: small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73,
: Mike.

"Skipp has a BD-1" wrote in message
...
Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds
BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises
has a web site that can be found with google.

For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er
and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial
port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also
responds to dtmf commands.

Depending on how small and low power this has to be, you might even go the
large route and buy a $15-20 used 386 or 486 computer with sound card, that
way you could have a voice id, interfacing to the radio isn't too difficult.
Something like the psk or mntty interface to trigger the radios ptt, and a
simple program to do the timing and send out the audio.

"Skipp has a BD-1" wrote in message
...
Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds
BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises
has a web site that can be found with google.

For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er
and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial
port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also
responds to dtmf commands.

Depending on how small and low power this has to be, you might even go the
large route and buy a $15-20 used 386 or 486 computer with sound card, that
way you could have a voice id, interfacing to the radio isn't too difficult.
Something like the psk or mntty interface to trigger the radios ptt, and a
simple program to do the timing and send out the audio.

Do a search on Ebay for "repeater controller". You might try one of Boyds
BD-1 repeater controllers, which also make killer ID'ers. B&D Enterprises
has a web site that can be found with google.

For about $69 you get a complete controller, that programs as an ID'er
and/or repeater controller. You can talk to it with your computer (serial
port) and program what ever message you want to transmit. The unit also
responds to dtmf commands.

Very Cool!

cheers
skipp

www.radiowrench.com

: zerobeat wrote:
: Anyone know of an easy to build ider? I know a basic stamp can be
: used, but I don't have the programming abilities. The QST ones I've
: seen all use outdated components and are complex. I'm building a
: small broacast band beacon (low end, around 530 khz) Thanks, 73,
: Mike.

Hi all,
I seem to have missed something here.
The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with
various options. Some people are choosing products at over
$50 and the most recent one suggested a PC. Everyone has
had their reasons for these.


A problem I have here is the OP hasn't really given us a fair
chance of replying well, due to lack of information/feedback.

If the OP basically wanted a CW ID Keyer as suggested, I really
fail to see why a simple K1EL keyer for aroud $10 can be beat.
A K10 is programmed by CW, it has a beacon mode and lot's of
potentially useful features.

Please OP, tell us what you really want as this thread is beginning
to frustrate me due to all of the options, wide price range and
huge variations in complexity.

I understand we're all trying to help but the thread is getting
crazy on price and complexity for an oh-so-simple problem!

Rv!

"Rv!" wrote in message
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Hi all,
I seem to have missed something here.
The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with

Actually, the OP said IDer, not ID Keyer. Since the application was in the
broadcast band, it seemed odd to me that he wanted an IDer, but clearly, I
don't understand his application. I sort of wondered whether the COR was
part of the problem, too, but he never revealed that much about his app. He
seemed relatively happy with the Hamtronics choice, kinda pricey I thought,
but they program it. That, apparently, is worth something to the OP. I
suspect he may not know Morse so the K1EL keyer wouldn't be much use. In
any case, he seemed to totally ignore the keyer suggestions, liked the high
priced spread, and indicated he wouldn't mind rolling his own if he had the
time.

I thought the 386 was a great suggestion in the true ham tradition. We're
always looking for small, sexy solutions, when an old boat anchor could be
pressed into service practically free. Well, except for the time, and that,
apparently, is an issue for the original poster.

...

Instead of using the K1EL KEYER, I would suggest the K-ID chip. K1EL
programs it so one doesn't need to know Morse at all. 8 Dollars plus
the price of one capacitor is certainly hard to beat!

Scott
N0EDV


xpyttl wrote:

"Rv!" wrote in message
...

Hi all,
I seem to have missed something here.
The OP wanted a CW ID Keyer and we've all came up with


Actually, the OP said IDer, not ID Keyer. Since the application was in the
broadcast band, it seemed odd to me that he wanted an IDer, but clearly, I
don't understand his application. I sort of wondered whether the COR was
part of the problem, too, but he never revealed that much about his app. He
seemed relatively happy with the Hamtronics choice, kinda pricey I thought,
but they program it. That, apparently, is worth something to the OP. I
suspect he may not know Morse so the K1EL keyer wouldn't be much use. In
any case, he seemed to totally ignore the keyer suggestions, liked the high
priced spread, and indicated he wouldn't mind rolling his own if he had the
time.

I thought the 386 was a great suggestion in the true ham tradition. We're
always looking for small, sexy solutions, when an old boat anchor could be
pressed into service practically free. Well, except for the time, and that,
apparently, is an issue for the original poster.

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