homebrew specialty paint finish
So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint
it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? 73 Uwe |
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Uwe wrote: So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? Usually called "wrinkle finish" or "crinkle finish" paint, I believe. Antique Electronic Supply carries it in black and grey, at least - browse http://www.tubesandmore.com/ and search for "paint". It's apparently available from Krylon as "wrinkle paint", and from Plasti-kote / Volspar. The Plasti-kote type is being sold as an automotive spray paint, "Perfect for air cleaners and valve covers". -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
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Uwe wrote: So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? Usually called "wrinkle finish" or "crinkle finish" paint, I believe. Antique Electronic Supply carries it in black and grey, at least - browse http://www.tubesandmore.com/ and search for "paint". It's apparently available from Krylon as "wrinkle paint", and from Plasti-kote / Volspar. The Plasti-kote type is being sold as an automotive spray paint, "Perfect for air cleaners and valve covers". -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
Uwe wrote:
So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? 73 Uwe http://www.mikeogara.net/tools/paint...sol-12-oz.html http://www.nfauto.co.uk/wrinkle_paint_chrome.htm http://auto-restoration.akoss.net/ca...s-and-Coatings http://cruiseclassics.com/partswarehouse/products.htm http://www.speco.com.au/vht_special.html -- John Popelish |
Uwe wrote:
So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? 73 Uwe http://www.mikeogara.net/tools/paint...sol-12-oz.html http://www.nfauto.co.uk/wrinkle_paint_chrome.htm http://auto-restoration.akoss.net/ca...s-and-Coatings http://cruiseclassics.com/partswarehouse/products.htm http://www.speco.com.au/vht_special.html -- John Popelish |
"Uwe" wrote in message ... So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? 73 Uwe See above links for various possibilities, sorry I can't help you. However, being a 'film professsional', by virture of my job, I've also seen these cameras 'up close'. What I was wondering was: is this truly 'paint' on those Arri's or more like a custom colored & baked on finish. The finishes are almost bulletproof / scratchproof and talk about resilient. If those cameras are indeed 'painted' - it's amazing because of it's durability. Thanks for a good question Mike T |
"Uwe" wrote in message ... So the project is done and you want to put it in a box, maybe even paint it... Well here is a slightly unrelated inquiry, maybe someone here knows to point me in the right direction or give me the proper name for a kind of paint, I call it a crinkle finish, some refer to it as alligator finish. It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. What is it really called and who would have such stuff?? 73 Uwe See above links for various possibilities, sorry I can't help you. However, being a 'film professsional', by virture of my job, I've also seen these cameras 'up close'. What I was wondering was: is this truly 'paint' on those Arri's or more like a custom colored & baked on finish. The finishes are almost bulletproof / scratchproof and talk about resilient. If those cameras are indeed 'painted' - it's amazing because of it's durability. Thanks for a good question Mike T |
"Mike T." wrote in message ... See above links for various possibilities, sorry I can't help you. However, being a 'film professsional', by virture of my job, I've also seen these cameras 'up close'. What I was wondering was: is this truly 'paint' on those Arri's or more like a custom colored & baked on finish. The finishes are almost bulletproof / scratchproof and talk about resilient. If those cameras are indeed 'painted' - it's amazing because of it's durability. These are Swiss and German cameras, after all. They don't fool around. Commercial wrinkle finish required a few steps to complete, it wasn't simply sprayed on. Like all good paint jobs, it was baked, which hardens it. I once saw a 1969 GTO done in black wrinkle. Saved having to wax it, I guess. 73, "PM" |
"Mike T." wrote in message ... See above links for various possibilities, sorry I can't help you. However, being a 'film professsional', by virture of my job, I've also seen these cameras 'up close'. What I was wondering was: is this truly 'paint' on those Arri's or more like a custom colored & baked on finish. The finishes are almost bulletproof / scratchproof and talk about resilient. If those cameras are indeed 'painted' - it's amazing because of it's durability. These are Swiss and German cameras, after all. They don't fool around. Commercial wrinkle finish required a few steps to complete, it wasn't simply sprayed on. Like all good paint jobs, it was baked, which hardens it. I once saw a 1969 GTO done in black wrinkle. Saved having to wax it, I guess. 73, "PM" |
So here is what happenend, following some of the leads from here I got
myself a can of wrinkle paint through a local automotive supplier. They want three heavy coats spaced ten minutes apart and then leave it alone for 24h. The wrinkle develops after 2 or so hours if you did everything right, mostly that means heavy even coats. I tested the stuff on an angled piece with corners and crevices and there it is difficult to control the thickness and the results vary also. A flat portion seems easier but you still need to control the thickness otherwise you will end up with areas which don't wrinkle. For my purpose, rejuvenating the face plate of a military type electronic device I think I will be fine, but I can see that there is definetly a learning curve before I spray paint my Bolex movie camera here in the kitchen... 73 Uwe in article , Paul_Morphy at wrote on 4/21/04 00:44: "Mike T." wrote in message ... See above links for various possibilities, sorry I can't help you. However, being a 'film professsional', by virture of my job, I've also seen these cameras 'up close'. What I was wondering was: is this truly 'paint' on those Arri's or more like a custom colored & baked on finish. The finishes are almost bulletproof / scratchproof and talk about resilient. If those cameras are indeed 'painted' - it's amazing because of it's durability. These are Swiss and German cameras, after all. They don't fool around. Commercial wrinkle finish required a few steps to complete, it wasn't simply sprayed on. Like all good paint jobs, it was baked, which hardens it. I once saw a 1969 GTO done in black wrinkle. Saved having to wax it, I guess. 73, "PM" |
So here is what happenend, following some of the leads from here I got
myself a can of wrinkle paint through a local automotive supplier. They want three heavy coats spaced ten minutes apart and then leave it alone for 24h. The wrinkle develops after 2 or so hours if you did everything right, mostly that means heavy even coats. I tested the stuff on an angled piece with corners and crevices and there it is difficult to control the thickness and the results vary also. A flat portion seems easier but you still need to control the thickness otherwise you will end up with areas which don't wrinkle. For my purpose, rejuvenating the face plate of a military type electronic device I think I will be fine, but I can see that there is definetly a learning curve before I spray paint my Bolex movie camera here in the kitchen... 73 Uwe in article , Paul_Morphy at wrote on 4/21/04 00:44: "Mike T." wrote in message ... See above links for various possibilities, sorry I can't help you. However, being a 'film professsional', by virture of my job, I've also seen these cameras 'up close'. What I was wondering was: is this truly 'paint' on those Arri's or more like a custom colored & baked on finish. The finishes are almost bulletproof / scratchproof and talk about resilient. If those cameras are indeed 'painted' - it's amazing because of it's durability. These are Swiss and German cameras, after all. They don't fool around. Commercial wrinkle finish required a few steps to complete, it wasn't simply sprayed on. Like all good paint jobs, it was baked, which hardens it. I once saw a 1969 GTO done in black wrinkle. Saved having to wax it, I guess. 73, "PM" |
I got
myself a can of wrinkle paint through a local automotive supplier. They want three heavy coats spaced ten minutes apart and then leave it alone for 24h. Uwe- It sounds like you're on the right track now. I played with wrinkle finish paint as a teenager, fixing up several old pot-metal microphone cases. There are probably more options today than there were then. It may have been Krylon that I used, but I don't recall. One thing I remember, is that you can get non-wrinkle paints to wrinkle by applying a second coat before the first has dried completely. That is essentially what your instructions do, except your automotive paint should be optimized for wrinkling. Three coats may produce a gorgeous wrinkle finish, but I wonder if it might be delicate to handle. You might run tests to see if two coats will wrinkle sufficiently and not be as easily damaged by rough handling. Another thing to try while you are experimenting, is to wrinkle-paint a sample item and then bake it. You don't want to scorch the paint, just let it cook for 30 minutes or an hour at 200 or 250 degrees F, and let it cool. See if that toughens the wrinkled surface so it will withstand some abuse. (If someone knows about baked-on paint, they may give you better advice on time and temperature.) 73, Fred, K4DII |
I got
myself a can of wrinkle paint through a local automotive supplier. They want three heavy coats spaced ten minutes apart and then leave it alone for 24h. Uwe- It sounds like you're on the right track now. I played with wrinkle finish paint as a teenager, fixing up several old pot-metal microphone cases. There are probably more options today than there were then. It may have been Krylon that I used, but I don't recall. One thing I remember, is that you can get non-wrinkle paints to wrinkle by applying a second coat before the first has dried completely. That is essentially what your instructions do, except your automotive paint should be optimized for wrinkling. Three coats may produce a gorgeous wrinkle finish, but I wonder if it might be delicate to handle. You might run tests to see if two coats will wrinkle sufficiently and not be as easily damaged by rough handling. Another thing to try while you are experimenting, is to wrinkle-paint a sample item and then bake it. You don't want to scorch the paint, just let it cook for 30 minutes or an hour at 200 or 250 degrees F, and let it cool. See if that toughens the wrinkled surface so it will withstand some abuse. (If someone knows about baked-on paint, they may give you better advice on time and temperature.) 73, Fred, K4DII |
Fred, my reaction when I first read the instructions was, hell, I get a
wrinkly finish every time I paint somehing, I just never dared calling it a wrinkle finish, I called it another desaster... I checked the hardness of the coating after it had dried hanging over my wood stove, which isn't running full tilt anymore, and there was still some softness so I threw it in the oven, brought it to about 200F and then shut it off, leavig the painted item inside. That was yesterday and when I tested that piece right now it had markedly improved the hardness of the paint, actually I would say it is an excellent coating. So success I guess, and I am already looking around the cabin to see what I could wrinkle up next. 73 from Maine Uwe Uwe- It sounds like you're on the right track now. I played with wrinkle finish paint as a teenager, fixing up several old pot-metal microphone cases. There are probably more options today than there were then. It may have been Krylon that I used, but I don't recall. One thing I remember, is that you can get non-wrinkle paints to wrinkle by applying a second coat before the first has dried completely. That is essentially what your instructions do, except your automotive paint should be optimized for wrinkling. Three coats may produce a gorgeous wrinkle finish, but I wonder if it might be delicate to handle. You might run tests to see if two coats will wrinkle sufficiently and not be as easily damaged by rough handling. Another thing to try while you are experimenting, is to wrinkle-paint a sample item and then bake it. You don't want to scorch the paint, just let it cook for 30 minutes or an hour at 200 or 250 degrees F, and let it cool. See if that toughens the wrinkled surface so it will withstand some abuse. (If someone knows about baked-on paint, they may give you better advice on time and temperature.) 73, Fred, K4DII |
Fred, my reaction when I first read the instructions was, hell, I get a
wrinkly finish every time I paint somehing, I just never dared calling it a wrinkle finish, I called it another desaster... I checked the hardness of the coating after it had dried hanging over my wood stove, which isn't running full tilt anymore, and there was still some softness so I threw it in the oven, brought it to about 200F and then shut it off, leavig the painted item inside. That was yesterday and when I tested that piece right now it had markedly improved the hardness of the paint, actually I would say it is an excellent coating. So success I guess, and I am already looking around the cabin to see what I could wrinkle up next. 73 from Maine Uwe Uwe- It sounds like you're on the right track now. I played with wrinkle finish paint as a teenager, fixing up several old pot-metal microphone cases. There are probably more options today than there were then. It may have been Krylon that I used, but I don't recall. One thing I remember, is that you can get non-wrinkle paints to wrinkle by applying a second coat before the first has dried completely. That is essentially what your instructions do, except your automotive paint should be optimized for wrinkling. Three coats may produce a gorgeous wrinkle finish, but I wonder if it might be delicate to handle. You might run tests to see if two coats will wrinkle sufficiently and not be as easily damaged by rough handling. Another thing to try while you are experimenting, is to wrinkle-paint a sample item and then bake it. You don't want to scorch the paint, just let it cook for 30 minutes or an hour at 200 or 250 degrees F, and let it cool. See if that toughens the wrinkled surface so it will withstand some abuse. (If someone knows about baked-on paint, they may give you better advice on time and temperature.) 73, Fred, K4DII |
Uwe wrote:
It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. Hi, sorry if I take a wrong guess, but by your name, I'd say yu're german. In Germany, "Hammerite" markets these kinds of paints in various colours. vy 73 de Volker |
Uwe wrote:
It is the kind of paint finish you see on Bolex and Arriflex movie cameras, I also see it on military style electronic gear, very resilient, black crinkly finish which also prevents the item from slipping out of your hand. Hi, sorry if I take a wrong guess, but by your name, I'd say yu're german. In Germany, "Hammerite" markets these kinds of paints in various colours. vy 73 de Volker |
In Germany, "Hammerite" markets these kinds of paints in various colours. ==================== Same in the UK Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
In Germany, "Hammerite" markets these kinds of paints in various colours. ==================== Same in the UK Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH |
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