David J Windisch wrote:

The point is, that I don't know what the nomenclature is, and asked for help
with it in the OP.

"Someone" mentioned this tube in a post "somewhere" several years ago. I've
searched archives for faulty-memory-recollections of the nomenclature, to no
avail.

For latecomer Noeding: I'd like to get enough of them to experiment with
no-tune techniques, which might be practical with plate voltage around 600
and plate current of 4 or 5 amps. The "hilarious" comment referred to plain
old thread-wander ;o)

73, Dave, N3HE

"J M Noeding" wrote in message
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On 19 Jul 2004 15:38:46 -0700, (Mike Silva)
wrote:


"David J Windisch" wrote in message

...

This is hilarious. The OP asked a question. And asks it again:

What's the nomenclature for that sweep tube, produced just for

Admiral TVs

years ago, that's heavier-duty than any of the other tubes?

I thought it was 6MJ6 -- but, no. It has an *octal* base.

So what kind of base does your mystery tube have?

Ah, nevermind. I see now that the "it" in your question is not the
6MJ6, but your mystery tube...

perhaps it is just a silly request when he has nothing else to talk
about, it might be 6JS6, 6KD6, or perhaps it was 6JM6.... and
6JM6 GE Vacuum Radio Tubes is offered on internet and the
Current Price: $0.99

so, when 100 persons have commented, it might be a better idea to read
the type number on the glass again and tell us which type the question
was about???


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It may be best to pick the least expensive "big" sweep tube for which
you have specs, and parallel enough of them to get the impedance where
you want it to be.

You should also be able to run the voltage down a bit at the tube's
rated current. This will reduce your power output but it'll reduce your
impedance at the same time.

If you use a 3:1 step-down on your output you'll load the plate with 450
ohms. This will require a 1.3A peak current with a 600V plate supply,
and should be good for 300W or more PEP output -- may be easier to start
there than at 5A!

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:56:15 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote:


It may be best to pick the least expensive "big" sweep tube for which
you have specs, and parallel enough of them to get the impedance where
you want it to be.

You should also be able to run the voltage down a bit at the tube's
rated current. This will reduce your power output but it'll reduce your
impedance at the same time.

If you use a 3:1 step-down on your output you'll load the plate with 450
ohms. This will require a 1.3A peak current with a 600V plate supply,
and should be good for 300W or more PEP output -- may be easier to start
there than at 5A!

of course, but still the impedance from each tube is high, and it does
not see 50 ohm or whatever load, and still you may need an antenna
tuner.

But I was pulling the leg, since it is not a problem for any moderate
intelligent ham to tune a transmitter. Since I am electronic engineer
and have been working with transmitters it amuses me to see that
colleagues don't understand about PLATE and LOAD, and have really
difficulties to tune a transmitter, other radio amateurs have
commented about the same. It is odd that you need to be an amateur to
understand how to tune a transmitter, and I have never seen it as a
problem, even when I started with a Starflite TX 38 years ago

73, jm
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J M Noeding wrote:
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 08:56:15 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote:



It may be best to pick the least expensive "big" sweep tube for which
you have specs, and parallel enough of them to get the impedance where
you want it to be.

You should also be able to run the voltage down a bit at the tube's
rated current. This will reduce your power output but it'll reduce your
impedance at the same time.

If you use a 3:1 step-down on your output you'll load the plate with 450
ohms. This will require a 1.3A peak current with a 600V plate supply,
and should be good for 300W or more PEP output -- may be easier to start
there than at 5A!


of course, but still the impedance from each tube is high, and it does
not see 50 ohm or whatever load, and still you may need an antenna
tuner.

But I was pulling the leg, since it is not a problem for any moderate
intelligent ham to tune a transmitter. Since I am electronic engineer
and have been working with transmitters it amuses me to see that
colleagues don't understand about PLATE and LOAD, and have really
difficulties to tune a transmitter, other radio amateurs have
commented about the same. It is odd that you need to be an amateur to
understand how to tune a transmitter, and I have never seen it as a
problem, even when I started with a Starflite TX 38 years ago

73, jm
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http://home.online.no/~la8ak/c.htm

Perhaps if the knobs were relabeled "TX" and "Antenna", and the plate
current meter was relabeled "reflected power"?

I see nothing wrong in principal with wanting to build a no-tune tube
transmitter, although it may be more work than building a
microprocessor-controlled transmitter tuner, and you may run into
insurmountable output-capacitance problems.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:08:34 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote:


Perhaps if the knobs were relabeled "TX" and "Antenna", and the plate
current meter was relabeled "reflected power"?

Can't really remember. Last time I had to assist it was Rohde&Schwartz
10kW 88.8MHz FM broadcast transmitter, and the colleague could hardly
achieve 1kW output, hi. Another ham worked at another medium wave
broadcast station in the summer 1960, and mentioned on an occasion
that "they had no idea how to tune a transmitter", they had some
different transmitters, incl. an old Marconi 10kW TX from 1933.

I see nothing wrong in principal with wanting to build a no-tune tube
transmitter, although it may be more work than building a
microprocessor-controlled transmitter tuner, and you may run into
insurmountable output-capacitance problems.

Well, I see 100pF output capacitance to cause some troubles on 450 ohm

Another problem is that all plate connections to a common point must
be measured to the same length. I am told this is really a problem,
even for a longwave transmitter, the reference transmitter operated on
360kHz as a console radio station, see my page
http://home.online.no/~la8ak/k56.htm

73, Jan-Martin

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impedance for 100pf on 14MHz is -j114, perhaps not so good in a 450ohm
circuit

see http://www.noding.com/la8ak/12345/n12.htm for broadband techniques
with ferrite transformers, and you could always read W2FMI's book
"Transmission Line transformers", but I wouldn't use transmission line
transformers myself

73
jm
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