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Paul Burridge August 15th 04 12:01 PM

High Current Horror Stories
 
Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Gregg August 15th 04 12:09 PM

Hmmmmmmmmm......there was this time a few decades back a solder blob
caused a B-C short in the linear for my CB - Man, do the ceramic caps sure
fly off those MRF454's :-o

--
Gregg t3h g33k
"Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines"
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

DO NOT REPLY to this ADDRESS August 15th 04 04:12 PM

My brother, circa 1965, was working on a six volt Chevrolet.

His ring got between the battery terminal and ground. (Don't ask me
how.)

He ended up with a destroyed ring and a finger with a very painful burn
around it.

No permanent damage but come to think about it he's a little weird even
today. Hmmm.... but isn't everybody weird but you and me and I sometimes
wonder about...

================

This is really not low voltage high current but an event that sticks in
my mind as potentially fatal.

I had a female student in one of my community college electronics class.
The electronic bench where she was working had a 8 foot strip of outlets
on one of the typical 1970s surface mount plug strips. She had plugged
in some instrument but in retrospect she hadn't pushed the plug in
completely, leaving a small amount of the metal of the plug exposed.

Around her waist she had a silver colored metal belt with a hanging end
with a washer shaped end on it. It looked to me like a dog collar.

She bent over the bench to adjust something and the metal end of her belt
went across the metal prongs of the plug.

RESULT = lots of sparks, a loud scream, a partially melted end to the
belt and a much wiser and more careful student. (And a very relieved
instructor, thankful that it hit BOTH prongs and not just one while she
was holding touching a grounded instrument case.

Yes, we then moved all the plug strips on the benches where they were
mounted to the bottom edge of the bench and removed them from other
benches where there were adequate outlets on the plug strip on the front
of the shelf along the back of the bench.

Paul Burridge wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.


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Reg Edwards August 15th 04 04:19 PM

The place was Hong Kong.

It was around Xmas, 1945.

I was alone in the lab.

Working on a set of airborne radar equipment strewn around the workbench.

The scanner was not rotating, just pointing out of the open window, past a
Royal Navy cruiser moored in the harbour about a mile away and onwards to
Victoria City with the island's mountainous peaks in the background. All
displayed strong echos on the PPI on its 10-mile range.

As indicated on the PPI there was something intermittent.

I suspected a poor coaxial cable connection.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

Forgetting the equipment was still switched on I unscrewed one of the many
coaxial connectors and Pye plugs.

To clear out any foreign bodies I inserted the tip of by my right forefinger
into the vacant socket.

Now that particular socket was power output from the modulator unit on its
way to the transmitter unit. The transmitter was a 50 Kilowatt magnetron
which required unpteen thousand volts, pulsed at several hundred times
persecond with a one microsecond pulse width.

How long I lay on the floor I do not know. Probably only a few seconds.

I trembled all over which passed off after a few minutes. Apart from a white
burn on the afore-mentioned fingertip the after-effects were
sychological - it took several days to pluck up courage just to re-enter
the lab when I had difficulty looking in the direction of the offending plug
and socket.
---
Reg, G4FGQ



Ken Scharf August 15th 04 05:50 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:
Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.

Well there was this guy changing batteries on a golf cart.
Had 6 very large 6 volt storage batteries wired in series.
He was using a ratchet wrench to remove the battery contact
clamps and while detaching the most postive end first (!)
the ratchet handle touched the frame of the golf cart.

Ever see a Sears ratchet glowing WHITE HOT?

John Popelish August 15th 04 06:05 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

Though there is considerable voltage involved in the production of the
currents involved, it is the (forces of the magnetic field of the)
current that crushes the coins.
http://webpages.charter.net/tesla/crushed_coin.htm
--
John Popelish

Allodoxaphobia August 15th 04 07:17 PM

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:50:28 -0400, Ken Scharf hath writ:

Well there was this guy changing batteries on a golf cart.
Had 6 very large 6 volt storage batteries wired in series.
He was using a ratchet wrench to remove the battery contact
clamps and while detaching the most postive end first (!)
the ratchet handle touched the frame of the golf cart.

Ever see a Sears ratchet glowing WHITE HOT?


Ya, but... You can take it back and they'll replace it. HI!HI!

Jonesy
--
| Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux
| Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __
| 7,703' -- 2,345m | config.com | DM68mn SK

Gary S. August 15th 04 07:19 PM

On 15 Aug 2004 18:17:32 GMT, Allodoxaphobia
wrote:

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:50:28 -0400, Ken Scharf hath writ:

Well there was this guy changing batteries on a golf cart.
Had 6 very large 6 volt storage batteries wired in series.
He was using a ratchet wrench to remove the battery contact
clamps and while detaching the most postive end first (!)
the ratchet handle touched the frame of the golf cart.

Ever see a Sears ratchet glowing WHITE HOT?


Ya, but... You can take it back and they'll replace it. HI!HI!

Only if you don't melt the part that says "Craftsman".

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Allodoxaphobia August 15th 04 07:32 PM

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 15:12:54 GMT, DO NOT REPLY to this ADDRESS hath writ:
My brother, circa 1965, was working on a six volt Chevrolet.

His ring got between the battery terminal and ground. (Don't ask me
how.)

He ended up with a destroyed ring and a finger with a very painful burn
around it.

No permanent damage but come to think about it he's a little weird even
today. Hmmm.... but isn't everybody weird but you and me and I sometimes
wonder about...


My dad (the first W3DHJ) told me an almost identical story.

It was in the late 20's. He was working on _his_ dad's Ford utility
truck. (Grandpa owned a dairy in Big Bear, Calif.) Six volts here, too.
The truck was parked in the driveway -- just outside the garage.
When my dad caught his ring between the positive terminal and the truck
frame, my Grandpa picked him up bodily -- ran him over to the rain barrel
at the corner of the garage -- and stuffed my dad's entire left arm (and
much of his upper torso) into the barrel.

( *The worst* thing you could do in a situation like that is try to _pull_
the ring off.)

My dad was a 90-day wonder in WW II. He then spent 25+ years in the U.S.
Army Corps of Engineers (we traveled the planet....) Most of his
duty assignments were as (Deputy) Post Engineer -- with the added
responsibity as Post Safety Officer. I always knew him to be
evangelically anal about safety. I'm sure that incident with the old
Ford truck had a wee bit to do with it.

73
Jonesy
--
| Marvin L Jones | jonz | W3DHJ | linux
| Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __
| 7,703' -- 2,345m | config.com | DM68mn SK

Gary S. August 15th 04 08:04 PM

On Sun, 15 Aug 2004 12:01:14 +0100, Paul Burridge
wrote:

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

I did once work with this sort of power, at a company which was making
superconductors. We had to test various samples at high current/low
voltage to determine some of the properties, while they were submerged
in various liquified gases.

One project involved setting up a two-module 1000 watt DC power
supply. I "wired" them together using copper bar stock 1" by 1/4",
bent to fit the terminals, and plated with silver for lower contact
resistance. The connection to the samples was with 2 ought welding
cable, which was about 1-1/8" in diameter with insulation.

I have also worked with high voltage RF up to 20 kV, but that is
another story.

The general rule is when you are working with KIL-o-amps, KIL-o-volts,
or KIL-o-watts, is to make sure you don't get KILL-ed.

Happy trails,
Gary (net.yogi.bear)
------------------------------------------------
at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence

Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA
Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom

Reg Edwards August 16th 04 01:00 AM


Sorry, I answered the wrong question. Hope you found it interesting.

=============================

"Reg Edwards" wrote -

The place was Hong Kong.

It was around Xmas, 1945.

I was alone in the lab.

Working on a set of airborne radar equipment strewn around the workbench.

The scanner was not rotating, just pointing out of the open window, past a
Royal Navy cruiser moored in the harbour about a mile away and onwards to
Victoria City with the island's mountainous peaks in the background. All
displayed strong echos on the PPI on its 10-mile range.

As indicated on the PPI there was something intermittent.

I suspected a poor coaxial cable connection.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

Forgetting the equipment was still switched on I unscrewed one of the many
coaxial connectors and Pye plugs.

To clear out any foreign bodies I inserted the tip of by my right

forefinger
into the vacant socket.

Now that particular socket was power output from the modulator unit on its
way to the transmitter unit. The transmitter was a 50 Kilowatt magnetron
which required unpteen thousand volts, pulsed at several hundred times
persecond with a one microsecond pulse width.

How long I lay on the floor I do not know. Probably only a few seconds.

I trembled all over which passed off after a few minutes. Apart from a

white
burn on the afore-mentioned fingertip the after-effects were
psychological - it took several days to pluck up courage just to

re-enter
the lab when I had difficulty looking in the direction of the offending

plug
and socket.
---
Reg, G4FGQ





Reg Edwards August 16th 04 01:37 AM

The place was the same lab in Hong Kong.

There was a chinese lady who came in each day to sweep the floor and remove
the EF50 valves, etc, which had been replaced because of low cathode
emission.

It was my habit to point the radar scanner into the room, stand in the beam
and quickly put put a neon lamp into my mouth. The lamp always lit up
brightly.

Whenever I did this the lady used to run out of the room terrified at the
magic sight.

Just the sort of trick a 21-year-old RAF radar mechanic would play.

Being in the Far East, the anti-radar defence rumour, spread by the Germans,
that exposure to radar beams caused sterilisation to radar mechanics had not
reached me.

Anyway, as my wife at intervals some years later allowed me to think, I
eventually became the father of 5 children.
---
Reg



jana August 16th 04 02:25 AM

Remember an old article in popular electronic, back from 1960's,

young boy wanted to help his girl nextdoor with a wart on her hand,
bright as he was, he thought he could use the hv from his pops hf rig
to burn off said wart.... well, she let out this scream that almost
broke the sound barrier and he got his butt wacked big time.

The wart did get removed !

j


Paul wrote:

Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.



Paul Burridge August 16th 04 02:46 AM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:37:32 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:

Being in the Far East, the anti-radar defence rumour, spread by the Germans,
that exposure to radar beams caused sterilisation to radar mechanics had not
reached me.

Anyway, as my wife at intervals some years later allowed me to think, I
eventually became the father of 5 children.


Perhaps you shoulda stood a bit closer to the waveguides, Reg. You'd
have been rich by now without all those kids. Plus you might even have
grown an extra brain. ;-)
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Gregg August 16th 04 04:06 AM

Behold, Paul Burridge signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:37:32 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:

Being in the Far East, the anti-radar defence rumour, spread by the
Germans, that exposure to radar beams caused sterilisation to radar
mechanics had not reached me.

Anyway, as my wife at intervals some years later allowed me to think, I
eventually became the father of 5 children.


Perhaps you shoulda stood a bit closer to the waveguides, Reg. You'd
have been rich by now without all those kids. Plus you might even have
grown an extra brain. ;-)


You mean his widow wouldda been rich ;-)

--
Gregg t3h g33k
"Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines"
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Reg Edwards August 16th 04 04:06 AM

The time was 1952 or 1953. I had a roving job. Indeed I've nearly always
had a roving job. You meet people.

The place was Gretna Green, just a few hundred yards from the well-known
black-smith's forge and its famous marriage-ceremony anvil.

I was working with a colleage in a normally unstaffed telephone repeater
station. The job was capacitance-rebalancing of the multi-pair trunk carrier
cables which ran through the place.

The test leads were very flexible twin-screened cables which kept getting in
the way of the portable test equipment, on a collapsible table, and the two
operators. Difficult to read the dB meters.

So to ease the accommodation problem the test cables were tossed up and over
a pair of substantial bars, up near the ceiling, which could have been part
of the station's equipment racks.

Unfortunately, the insulation over the screening braid was worn at one point
and the bars turned out to be the main copper 50-volt bus-bars from the
battery room. Work continued in silence until suddenly there was a loud
bang, like a cannon shot.

The main fuse from the station's batteries had blown. The station stopped
working. England was disconnected from Scotland at a time when the Cold War
had started.

There was a glass-fronted fusebox containing a lot of cardboard-cased fuses.
The idea was for fuses which had blown to indicate themselves by charred
cardboard. But none were indicated although spare fuses were available. One
catastophy after another. But in any case neither my colleage or I was
familiar with station maintenance procedures.

We had visions of severe disciplinery action being taken. And I had brought
with me a set of fishing rods. Indeed, I had obtained after much arguing
temporary exclusive membership of Gretna Green fishing club at the then
extortionate fee of 2 shillings and sixpence.

But then our luck changed. 10 minutes later the local maintenance man walked
in. Purely by chance he had come in to make himself a cup of tea (facilities
were available) whereas he should have been doing something else in the
English town of Carlisle, 12 miles away. We were of senior rank. He fixed
the fuse and we never heard any more about the serious incident.

In the evenings I went fishing for trout by bright moonlight while my
colleage, a much older fellow than I, took my wife (who had come to join me
for a week) to the local Gretna cinema. He bought her icecream in the back
row. And I made friends with the female cook at the hotel and had trout and
butter for the first course at breakfast.

The next few jobs took me further into the wilds of Bonnie Scotland where
there was nothing to do except to gamble and play cards in the evenings. I
always lost. Even to the extent of losing my ex-army camp bed and having to
sleep on the hard wooden blocks of the repeater station floor. Myxamatosis
raged amongst the poor Scottish rabbit population.

It is only relatively recently, in my old age, have I returned to such happy
days. I have just opened a bottle of Sierra Valley, Californian white wine
for a night-cap. Diplomatic relations are now back to normal. I expect no
more irritable invitations to tea parties in Boston.
----
Yours, Reg, G4FGQ



Reg Edwards August 16th 04 05:00 AM


"Paul Burridge" wrote

Perhaps you shoulda stood a bit closer to the waveguides, Reg. You'd
have been rich by now without all those kids. Plus you might even have
grown an extra brain. ;-)


==============================

Paul,

I could have been even richer if I'd charged for all those computer
programs. But I have been much happier just by producing them instead of
setting up a waste-of-my-time sales and marketing organisation. But it's a
fact I never realised at the outset how popular they would become. I was
under the impression I was a late-comer to the field. But it seems I was
not. I was perhaps the originator of this type of program.

And I am confiding in you, even now, only because I am half-way down a
bottle of Californian medium-sweet white. Must keep international relations
in good order.
---
Yours, Reg, Amateur radio station G4FGQ



Tim August 16th 04 01:45 PM

In 1982, I was about 20 I guess and working for Dentron Radio as a tech. For
no other reason than being careless, as I was normally on high alert when
working on the amps, I discharged a fully charged bank of filtercaps in a
Clipperton L from the left hand to the right.

I had tunnel vision for a couple seconds, fell to the ground as co-workers
rushed to my side. Short of breath and dizzy I began to sweat profusely. I
was ill for about a half hour then both arms began to ache as if I had been
pummeled with a baseball bat.

I have been zapped a few times since then but never ever will I allow IT to
flow across my chest again, that event scared the hell out of me and I was a
strapping young lad in good shape. Today the same hit would kill me, I'm
sure of it.

This could also explain my devout interest in QRP today!

Tim



Markus Baertschi August 16th 04 03:30 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:
Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.


This dates thirty years back: I was about ten years old. My father did
occasionally charge car batteries in the basement of our house. The
output of the charger was short cable with a broken cigarette lighter
plug. He did connect the battery to be charged with a pair of jumper
cables connected to it.
I was doing something in the room, when there was a big spark and some
smoke started to appear. I immediately disconnected the charger from the
mains as he explained to us that this was all we had to do to remove all
electricity from a device. I then went to search for him to tell him
what happened. When we came back the room was full of smoke and all what
was left of the jumper cables was some melted plastic. The copper was
all gone !

Markus


K7MEM August 16th 04 07:06 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:
Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.


When I graduated from highschool, 1967, I started work for a company
called Standard Plastic Products. What we really did was make those
plastic and cardboard Barbie cases. These were heat sealed with
RF Energy. Lots of it.

The work area had about 50 sealing machines. These units were Class-C
RF oscillators and ranged from 25 to 60 KW. Yes, that is Kilo Watts.
Each unit had a large ceramic tube that had a base of around 6 - 8
inches in diameter. The larger units had tubes with large heat sink
hats which required a chimney to remove the heat. The RF energy was
applied to two copper platens that performed the sealing.

My job, along with three other techs, was to keep these machines
working. The most common problem with these things was blowing fuses,
dirty coupling capacitor clips, and some pretty spectacular blowouts
on the platens when the material got too thin.

The real problem was that, you had to reach into the units from the
back to get to the fuses or the coupling caps. The units had
power interlocks, so you couldn't activate with the back open
This was suppose to disable all power, remove the plate voltage,
and allow any charge to bleed off. But there were a few units where
the bleeder circuits did not work properly. This usually left a few
thousand volts on the plates of the tubes. You learned real quickly
to grip your adjustable wrench with your cardboard fuse pullers and
short the plate to ground. It was a heck of a blast and after 2 or
3 times, the unit was safe to work on.

Although I never heard of anyone actually comming in contact with
the voltage, because we were always on our toes, but I am sure that
it would have done some damage. I doubt the government would let
them get away with something like that now.

And you want to talk about QRM, these things oscillated around 27 MHz.

--
Martin E. Meserve

http://www.k7mem.150m.com


Paul Burridge August 16th 04 07:18 PM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 04:00:56 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:

Paul,

I could have been even richer if I'd charged for all those computer
programs. But I have been much happier just by producing them instead of
setting up a waste-of-my-time sales and marketing organisation. But it's a
fact I never realised at the outset how popular they would become. I was
under the impression I was a late-comer to the field. But it seems I was
not. I was perhaps the originator of this type of program.

And I am confiding in you, even now, only because I am half-way down a
bottle of Californian medium-sweet white. Must keep international relations
in good order.


Well you're doin' a great job, Reg. Keep it up! What's the next
program you've got in mind to write? And which language to you
generally use for this purpose?
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Wim Ton August 16th 04 08:36 PM

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share?


I friend who is a power IC developer told me about FETs being blown up by
the enery stored in the self inductance of the IC bond wire.

Wim



Reg Edwards August 16th 04 10:42 PM

Paul wrote -
Well you're doin' a great job, Reg. Keep it up! What's the next
program you've got in mind to write? And which language to you
generally use for this purpose?


================================

Paul, what makes you think I do a great job? Nobody ever tells me. It's not
just idle curiosity. I'm not fishing. Feedback needed.

I always have several programs on the go at any point in time. Some have
lasted, on and off, for years. But little to do with complexity. More to
do with reliability and freedom from bugs.

I have an unfinished program which calculates the L and C values of a
parallel tuned circuit. It can be connected in an antenna wire to resonate
it to two frequencies. It is not a trap. The circuit's resonant frequency
doesn't matter very much. But on the low side of resonance it behaves as an
inductive loading coil and on the high side it behaves as a capacitance
load. The antenna becomes resonant at one frequency below the wire's natural
frequency, and at another frequency above the wire's natural frequency.

Unlike use of a trap, at both frequencies the wire radiates over the whole
of its length. Furthermore, at its lower resonant frequency, the wire is
shorter than a 1/4-wavelength.

I do not claim to have invented the arrangement. It has been previously
discussed on a newsgroup. But I doubt if the L and C values have been
explicitly calculated before.

I hesitate at making the program available to all and sundry for ever more,
because I am unable to erect an actual antenna to prove the calculations
correct. Although I am reasonably confident they are correct.

I use Pascal source code. Its an old language and you can't teach an old dog
new tricks. But programming languages have settled down. There's little
further room for improvement. I like Pascal because it is disciplined and
structured. There's no such thing as a "Go-to" command as with BASIC. The
compiler won't allow you to make logical mistakes. The quality of a program,
the finished working product, doesn't have much to do with the language
used. Chinese is just as good as English.
----
Reg, G4FGQ



Ken Scharf August 16th 04 11:57 PM

Paul Burridge wrote:
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 00:37:32 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:


Being in the Far East, the anti-radar defence rumour, spread by the Germans,
that exposure to radar beams caused sterilisation to radar mechanics had not
reached me.

Anyway, as my wife at intervals some years later allowed me to think, I
eventually became the father of 5 children.



Perhaps you shoulda stood a bit closer to the waveguides, Reg. You'd
have been rich by now without all those kids. Plus you might even have
grown an extra brain. ;-)

Hey there was this radar tech in the army who used to sit near the
big dish in the winter to keep warm. One day they increased the
radar transmitter power 10 fold but this tech wasn't informed.

Let's just say he won the 'Darwin' award for a job 'well done'

Paul Burridge August 17th 04 12:56 AM

On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 21:42:56 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:

Paul wrote -
Well you're doin' a great job, Reg. Keep it up! What's the next
program you've got in mind to write? And which language to you
generally use for this purpose?


================================

Paul, what makes you think I do a great job? Nobody ever tells me. It's not
just idle curiosity. I'm not fishing. Feedback needed.


You make a worthwhile overall net contribution to the hobby, Reg. Your
programs save untold people an awful lot of time and f*cking about
with the kind of calculations that typically invite careless errors
and torn-out hair. I regularly visit your site and grab what I can!
Anyone with any sense would!
Will that suffice? ;-)
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Gregg August 17th 04 06:39 AM

Behold, Wim Ton signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share?


I friend who is a power IC developer told me about FETs being blown up
by the enery stored in the self inductance of the IC bond wire.

Wim


That's why FET is known by many to stand for Fire Emitting Transistor ;-)

--
Gregg t3h g33k
"Ratings are for transistors....tubes have guidelines"
http://geek.scorpiorising.ca

Paul Burridge August 17th 04 11:39 AM

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:39:28 GMT, Gregg wrote:

Behold, Wim Ton signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share?


I friend who is a power IC developer told me about FETs being blown up
by the enery stored in the self inductance of the IC bond wire.

Wim


That's why FET is known by many to stand for Fire Emitting Transistor ;-)


Not so much your GP FETs, but power MOSFETs, certainly. They do tend
to go 'pop' quite spectacularly.

--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.

Bill August 17th 04 02:41 PM

In message , Paul Burridge
writes
Hi all,

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share? You know; where your messin' about with a car battery or
something like that and forget to take your watch off or whatever.

p.

Although I knew how crowbar protection worked on PSUs I was shown in a
dramatic way when I used a bench PSU to charge a car battery, for what
ever reason the crowbar operated and put a short across the battery,
lots of bright white wire and smoke for a few seconds.
A colleague of mine was a vehicle radio fitter and always wore metal
watch straps, until the day one bridged a battery supply and chassis. He
always wears a leather strap now and takes his watch off before working.
How more of us are not maimed or killed I'm not sure.
--
Bill

aRKay August 17th 04 02:49 PM

Back in the 60's I recall being at a party where everyone had too much
to drink and some YL's car would not start. The 'guys' went out to help
and checked the battery water level. The guy doing the checking could
not see as it was dark and asked for light. He was talking about a
flashlight and a helping hand showed up with a Zippo lighter. The
battery exploded! Very lucky none were killed or blinded.

Roger Halstead August 18th 04 04:00 AM

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 05:39:28 GMT, Gregg wrote:

Behold, Wim Ton signalled from keyed 4-1000A filament:

Anyone got any high-current/low-voltage horror stories they'd care to
share?


You should see a 440 RMS working volt 50,000 Joule MOV on a 600 amp
440 line that has received an over voltage spike.

The only thing left are the connecting wires and they are pointed
straight out. They are blinding if you happen to be looking at one
when it blows, or deafening if you are near. They'd put any 12 gauge
shotgun to shame.

These things are about 3 X 4 inches and just shy of an inch thick.
Used across a pair of 1200 VAC 1200A (as I recall) SCRs (Thyristors)

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
I friend who is a power IC developer told me about FETs being blown up
by the enery stored in the self inductance of the IC bond wire.

Wim


That's why FET is known by many to stand for Fire Emitting Transistor ;-)



Reg Edwards August 19th 04 12:04 AM


"Paul Burridge" wrote -
I regularly visit your site and grab what I can!
Anyone with any sense would!
Will that suffice? ;-)


===========================

Well, it will have to do. Thanks Paul!

For the last one or two years of my varied career I was listed in the firm's
phone directory as "Chief Standards Engineer". I had under some sort of
control the Quality Managers of 3 factories and laboratories.

Strictly speaking, "Quality" is defined as the ability to conform to
specified requirements. It can be statistically measured as can anybody's
performance.

But in my case I would prefer the more lax and broader definition of Quality
: The ability to serve the intended purpose.

"Reliability" is defined as Quality versus Time.

My programs, produced in retirement for a variety of reasons and purposes,
have now been available to the 'rabble' for 5 or 6 years. ;o)

Here I go again - pouring out my heart with the aid of a bottle of Valencia
red. It's supposed to be good for the arteries. It didn't do Franco any
harm. But a pity about Guenica as depicted by Pablo Picasso. He should
have done Nagosaki (which I witnessed from the air) and Hiroshima (which I
visited on foot). Unfortunately my camera had a pin-hole in the bellows but
the experience, nevertheless, profoundly influenced, you could say biassed,
my early education.
---
Reg, G4FGQ



Joe Bramblett, KD5NRH August 19th 04 08:38 AM

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Ever see a Sears ratchet glowing WHITE HOT?


Ya, but... You can take it back and they'll replace it. HI!HI!


They do insist that all tools be cooled well below the point of
emitting visible light before return, though.


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Martin August 20th 04 02:47 AM

My story may not be extremely spectacular, but I think it has a rather
amusing moral...

I had for a number of years not bothered screwing down the top cover of my
13.8VDC 10A power supply, for whatever reason. Of course, every so often
the top cover would move and expose the inside working of the supply, but
that wasn't really a problem!(?)

Then one day, while doing my electronics trade course, we moved to the
subject of AC safety and how not to fry yourself! Very interesting lesson
and I scored 100% in the final exam for that subject.

Then I came home, rather pleased, reached down to switch off my power
supply, and promptly shorted the 240V AC main switch with my finger! What
was that about AC electrical safety again????

----

Another event, some years later, I was working on a tape deck on my
workbench. I had to reach over the tape deck to get a screwdriver from the
back of the bench, but of course I forgot it was still pluged in and
promptly shorted the AC transformer inout with my forearm...

Luckily for me we had just installed earth leakage breakers and it didn't
take long for it to trip... After that, whenever someone asked me "how long
do these breakers take to cut out" I would always answer with "oh, about
ARRRGG"

Cheers

Martin, VK2UMJ





Mike Silva August 20th 04 04:41 PM

My dad tells a story of his days working as a maintenence engineer in
a building where the power was carried along exposed buss bars.
Another worker had a screwdriver in his back pocket and backed into a
buss, blowing himself across the room and leaving a notable set of
scars from the molten screwdriver blade.

Steve Nosko August 20th 04 08:23 PM

High school.
My buddy Pete has one of those continuous AC electrical outlets on the side
of his desk. You know. Two continuous brass strips in a foot long plastic
housing with two slots, into which you shove the (older two bladed) plug.

Well, one day he needed some line cord, which he ALSO had hanging on the
peg-board on the side of his desk
SO... He reaches around the end...grabs some line cord and proceeds to cut
off a piece with scissors...

Blam! ... notched scissors!

Outlet strip had the same kind of brown, two conductor cord.
--
Steve N, K,9;d, c. i My email has no u's.


"Mike Silva" wrote in message
m...
My dad tells a story of his days working as a maintenence engineer in
a building where the power was carried along exposed buss bars.
Another worker had a screwdriver in his back pocket and backed into a
buss, blowing himself across the room and leaving a notable set of
scars from the molten screwdriver blade.




Bill August 21st 04 12:17 AM

In message , Steve Nosko
writes

SO... He reaches around the end...grabs some line cord and proceeds to cut
off a piece with scissors...

Blam! ... notched scissors!


On a vaguely similar line my father was rewiring an outside building and
carefully removed all the fuses from the fuse box before cutting out all
the old cabling. He then came across a cable he had forgotten and cut
this too, BANG!! It was the input to the fuse box. One very badly melted
pair of cutters and a rather startled father.
--
Bill

Mike Andrews August 21st 04 12:21 AM

Bill wrote:
In message , Steve Nosko
writes

SO... He reaches around the end...grabs some line cord and proceeds to cut
off a piece with scissors...

Blam! ... notched scissors!


On a vaguely similar line my father was rewiring an outside building and
carefully removed all the fuses from the fuse box before cutting out all
the old cabling. He then came across a cable he had forgotten and cut
this too, BANG!! It was the input to the fuse box. One very badly melted
pair of cutters and a rather startled father.


I gotta. I just gotta.

About 25 years back, I was a new systems programmer for a government
agency which I'll cleverly call WeBuildHighways. Our sister shop, the
Department of inHuman Services, was fairly close, and we spent a fair
amount of time visiting and swapping hints and kinks.

One day I was there while some remodeling was being done: an old door
wsa being blocked and a new one cut. I heard a Skilsaw fire up, saw a
blade movingd ownward, and cringed: there was a quad-box about a foot
below the blade and in its path.

My counterpar was a bit quicker, and shouted "Turn Off All Your
Terminals RIGHT _NOW_!!" -- just before the blue flash and the great
dark silence.

This was before PCs, and so we only lost some 3270 terminal sessions
to the mainframe. It was ... interesting.

Another time I'll tell about The Guy Who Blew Himself Through The Door.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin

Ernie August 21st 04 02:20 AM

12 years back there was a CB'er that had a double 3-500 Z amp with 3500
volts on the plate that lived next door to me.

One day he noticed he was running about half power instead of full bore so
he popped the top of the amp and noticed one of the wires on the tube caps
(PLATE) had come unsoldered.....so instead of turning the amp off he melted
the solder a bit with his insulated soldering iron and forced the wire back
into the molten puddle....It worked!.......Then holding a large roll of bare
solder in his hand he added a bit more to the molten solder

It didnt take him long to let go of that roll of solder in his bare hand!!!

His entire hand was burnt white!
"Mike Andrews" wrote in message
...
Bill wrote:
In message , Steve Nosko
writes

SO... He reaches around the end...grabs some line cord and proceeds to

cut
off a piece with scissors...

Blam! ... notched scissors!


On a vaguely similar line my father was rewiring an outside building and
carefully removed all the fuses from the fuse box before cutting out all
the old cabling. He then came across a cable he had forgotten and cut
this too, BANG!! It was the input to the fuse box. One very badly melted
pair of cutters and a rather startled father.


I gotta. I just gotta.

About 25 years back, I was a new systems programmer for a government
agency which I'll cleverly call WeBuildHighways. Our sister shop, the
Department of inHuman Services, was fairly close, and we spent a fair
amount of time visiting and swapping hints and kinks.

One day I was there while some remodeling was being done: an old door
wsa being blocked and a new one cut. I heard a Skilsaw fire up, saw a
blade movingd ownward, and cringed: there was a quad-box about a foot
below the blade and in its path.

My counterpar was a bit quicker, and shouted "Turn Off All Your
Terminals RIGHT _NOW_!!" -- just before the blue flash and the great
dark silence.

This was before PCs, and so we only lost some 3270 terminal sessions
to the mainframe. It was ... interesting.

Another time I'll tell about The Guy Who Blew Himself Through The Door.

--
Mike Andrews

Tired old sysadmin





Bill August 21st 04 03:30 AM

In message , Ernie
writes
......Then holding a large roll of bare
solder in his hand he added a bit more to the molten solder

It didnt take him long to let go of that roll of solder in his bare hand!!!


I trust you entered him for the "Darwin award"?
--
Bill

Paul Burridge August 21st 04 11:56 AM

On Fri, 20 Aug 2004 21:20:01 -0400, "Ernie" wrote:

12 years back there was a CB'er that had a double 3-500 Z amp with 3500
volts on the plate that lived next door to me.


What a delight to live next-door to. :-(
--

"What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793.


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