Another hopeless text: spot the errors...
Hi guys,
Still reeling from the screw-up Chris Bowick made of his explanation of FET biasing, I've come across this little gem which purports to show the design considerations for a FET amplifier stage which takes into account the spread of parameters one encounters with FETs: http://ampdesigns.tripod.com/solved_problems.htm "Solved problems"? I don't think so. I'm up to six glaring errors already, but I'm sure there are more yet to be found. How many can *you* spot? -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. |
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says... I've never come across his book but if it was me I'd have thrown the bloody thing away years ago. regards john Well, it does say, "If you are from some other university then confirm with your professors whether these formulae/methods are valid for your university." -- jm ------------------------------------------------------ http://www.qsl.net/ke5fx Note: My E-mail address has been altered to avoid spam ------------------------------------------------------ |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:45:24 -0700, "john jardine"
wrote: I've never come across his book but if it was me I'd have thrown the bloody thing away years ago. Hehe! I don't blame you, John. But I should perhaps have made it clearer that the link I posted has nothing to do with Bowick. It's coursework by some lecturer at Bombay University. -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. |
"John Miles" wrote in message ... Well, it does say, "If you are from some other university then confirm with your professors whether these formulae/methods are valid for your university." So are the laws of physics different elsewhere? |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... Hi guys, Still reeling from the screw-up Chris Bowick made of his explanation of FET biasing, I've come across this little gem which purports to show the design considerations for a FET amplifier stage which takes into account the spread of parameters one encounters with FETs: http://ampdesigns.tripod.com/solved_problems.htm "Solved problems"? I don't think so. I'm up to six glaring errors already, but I'm sure there are more yet to be found. How many can *you* spot? -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. I've never come across his book but if it was me I'd have thrown the bloody thing away years ago. regards john |
"Paul Burridge" wrote in message ... On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:45:24 -0700, "john jardine" wrote: I've never come across his book but if it was me I'd have thrown the bloody thing away years ago. Hehe! I don't blame you, John. But I should perhaps have made it clearer that the link I posted has nothing to do with Bowick. It's coursework by some lecturer at Bombay University. -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. I'll try pay attention next time :-( |
John Miles wrote:
In article , says... I've never come across his book but if it was me I'd have thrown the bloody thing away years ago. regards john Well, it does say, "If you are from some other university then confirm with your professors whether these formulae/methods are valid for your university." I first read this as: If you are from some other universe then confirm with your professors whether these formulae/methods are valid for your universe. ;-) |
On Wed, 08 Sep 2004 04:20:13 GMT, Rich Grise wrote:
I first read this as: If you are from some other universe then confirm with your professors whether these formulae/methods are valid for your universe. Indeed! I don't think western designers have much to fear (job competition-wise) from graduates of Bombay University. :-) -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. |
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:30:22 -0400, "Michael A. Covington"
wrote: "John Miles" wrote in message ... Well, it does say, "If you are from some other university then confirm with your professors whether these formulae/methods are valid for your university." So are the laws of physics different elsewhere? It appears so. Everywhere outside of Bombay, I guess. -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. |
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:09:55 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote: Gary S. wrote: On Wed, 8 Sep 2004 19:27:28 -0500, "Tim Williams" wrote: PI IS EXACTLY THREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That was just in the state of Tennessee (or maybe Kentucky). Don't think it actually passed. But it illustrates the wisdom of having legislators make decisions about science. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) They (the politicians) were relying on that vast storehouse of scientific information, the Bible, for their instruction. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH I missed that part. Guess it would be in the Book of Numbers. On the other hand, I do not know of anyone who searches for religious instruction in a calculus textbook. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
Gary S. wrote:
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:09:55 GMT, "Tom Donaly" wrote: They (the politicians) were relying on that vast storehouse of scientific information, the Bible, for their instruction. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH I missed that part. Guess it would be in the Book of Numbers. . . . Actually, it's in I Kings vii.23 and II Chronicles iv.2: "Also, he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." In _A History of Pi_ by Petr Beckmann, the author states (p. 174) that "There is a story about some American legislature having considered a bill to legislate, for religious reasons, the biblical value of pi = 3. I have found no confirmation of this story; very probably it grew out of an episode that actually took place in the State Legislature of Indiana in 1897." He describes the incident. . . A bill was introduced in the Indiana House in 1897 which said in the preamble: "A bill for an act introducing a new mathematical truth and offered as a contribution to education to be used only by the State of Indiana free of cost by paying any royalties whatever on the same, provided it is accepted and adopted by the official action of the legislature in 1897." In Section 1, the value of pi is effectively declared to be about 9.2. In Section 2, it's said to be exactly 3.2. The bill was referred ["perhaps symbolically", muses Beckmann] to the House Committee on Swamp Lands, which passed it to the Committee of Education, which reported it back to the House "with recommendation that said bill do pass." On Feb. 5, 1897, the Indiana House passed it unanimously. A charitable person would speculate that, like our current legislators and the more recent Patriot Act, they just didn't trouble themselves to read it before voting. It was saved from passage by the Senate by the intervention of a Purdue math professor named Waldo who, horrified when learning about it, coached the senators. History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to
modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL ============================= It could only happen in the USA! |
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL ============================= It could only happen in the USA! A flaw in the system called Democracy? |
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:46:31 GMT, "Clarence" wrote:
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL It could only happen in the USA! A flaw in the system called Democracy? Democracy works best with a well educated, critical thinking, intelligent group of voters capable of seeing long term effects. Someday, we might see how that works out. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
On Thursday 09 September 2004 07:05 pm, Gary S. did deign to grace us with
the following: On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:46:31 GMT, "Clarence" wrote: "Reg Edwards" wrote in message History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. It could only happen in the USA! A flaw in the system called Democracy? Democracy works best with a well educated, critical thinking, intelligent group of voters capable of seeing long term effects. Someday, we might see how that works out. I think when everybody gets that smart, we'll all realize that Enlightened Self-Interest is the best all around. We'll use something much like democracy for decisions that affect groups of people, like, where should the road go? Of course, if people would just quit spending on war, there'd be enough left over to feed everyone on the planet for the rest of their life, and government would be kinda moot. Yeah, dream on. Think I'll have another toke. %-} Cheers! Rich |
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:03:24 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote: | History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to | modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas | is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. | Some things never change. | | Roy Lewallen, W7EL | |============================= | |It could only happen in the USA! Wife and I have traveled to over half the states now and we usually try to visit the state capital buildings. (We live 90 miles from the AZ building but haven't seen it). Most of these examples of sparing no expense when you have an unlimited supply of tax money, try to mimic the US Capital. Some even like to claim that they are taller, wide, grander, etc. They are also very much like airports, in that they are always undergoing remodeling. One other thing they seem to have in common is an appreciation of the female form, particularly exposed breasts. Mind you, I find these very interesting too, but often the legislators, who during their deliberations are being overseen by paintings and statues featuring these delightful forms, are busy passing laws against topless dancing, declaring "low-rise" jeans illegal, fussing about dirty movies and so forth. Maybe we were better off under King George, and I don't mean the one currently in the White House. |
On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 19:53:49 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote: One other thing they seem to have in common is an appreciation of the female form, particularly exposed breasts. Mind you, I find these very interesting too, but often the legislators, who during their deliberations are being overseen by paintings and statues featuring these delightful forms, are busy passing laws against topless dancing, declaring "low-rise" jeans illegal, fussing about dirty movies and so forth. The Massachusetts Legislature passed a law requiring trigger locks on all firearms not in use. Then someone noticed the antique Revolutionary War flintlock musket hanging on the wall of the chamber, and they had a trigger lock placed on that. Especially amusing if you understand how a flintlock works (hint: a trigger lock does not prevent it from firing, just makes it more difficult). Maybe we were better off under King George, and I don't mean the one currently in the White House. Many historians believe that George III may have been mad at the time, in later life more so. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
Clarence wrote:
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL ============================= It could only happen in the USA! A flaw in the system called Democracy? Yes, the flaw in democracy is that we get what we collectively deserve. And that's a scary thought. Roy Lewallen |
I read in sci.electronics.design that Rich Grise
wrote (in I780d.22097$x12.17653@trnddc05) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: I think when everybody gets that smart, we'll all realize that Enlightened Self-Interest is the best all around. I entirely agree. It's rather a simple concept; I tell children about it. It can be related to religion, agnosticism and moral atheism. The only requirement is that all parties are clever enough, and patient enough, to find a solution consistent with ESI. For the really big problems, we haven't evolved far enough yet. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk |
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 07:20:20 +0100, John Woodgate
wrote: I think when everybody gets that smart, we'll all realize that Enlightened Self-Interest is the best all around. I entirely agree. It's rather a simple concept; I tell children about it. It can be related to religion, agnosticism and moral atheism. The only requirement is that all parties are clever enough, and patient enough, to find a solution consistent with ESI. For the really big problems, we haven't evolved far enough yet. Well no wonder. Your self interest isn't as enlightened as mine. |
Roy Lewallen wrote:
Gary S. wrote: On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:09:55 GMT, "Tom Donaly" wrote: They (the politicians) were relying on that vast storehouse of scientific information, the Bible, for their instruction. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH I missed that part. Guess it would be in the Book of Numbers. . . . Actually, it's in I Kings vii.23 and II Chronicles iv.2: "Also, he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." In _A History of Pi_ by Petr Beckmann, the author states (p. 174) that "There is a story about some American legislature having considered a bill to legislate, for religious reasons, the biblical value of pi = 3. I have found no confirmation of this story; very probably it grew out of an episode that actually took place in the State Legislature of Indiana in 1897." He describes the incident. . . A bill was introduced in the Indiana House in 1897 which said in the preamble: "A bill for an act introducing a new mathematical truth and offered as a contribution to education to be used only by the State of Indiana free of cost by paying any royalties whatever on the same, provided it is accepted and adopted by the official action of the legislature in 1897." In Section 1, the value of pi is effectively declared to be about 9.2. In Section 2, it's said to be exactly 3.2. The bill was referred ["perhaps symbolically", muses Beckmann] to the House Committee on Swamp Lands, which passed it to the Committee of Education, which reported it back to the House "with recommendation that said bill do pass." On Feb. 5, 1897, the Indiana House passed it unanimously. A charitable person would speculate that, like our current legislators and the more recent Patriot Act, they just didn't trouble themselves to read it before voting. It was saved from passage by the Senate by the intervention of a Purdue math professor named Waldo who, horrified when learning about it, coached the senators. History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three -- at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott
wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three - - at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. It is, AIUI, based on an average diameter and allows for the taper of the log. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk |
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:05:19 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote:
|On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:46:31 GMT, "Clarence" wrote: | |"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... | History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to | modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas | is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. | Some things never change. | | Roy Lewallen, W7EL | | It could only happen in the USA! | |A flaw in the system called Democracy? | |Democracy works best with a well educated, critical thinking, |intelligent group of voters capable of seeing long term effects. | |Someday, we might see how that works out. Doubtful. Of course real democracy is when nine of ten people in a room can vote to kill the tenth. |
John Woodgate wrote:
I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three - - at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. It is, AIUI, based on an average diameter and allows for the taper of the log. Probably -- I suppose if you measure more toward the butt end of the log that'll take care of the 0.14159etc. I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Progress. Go figure. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 08:18:10 -0700, Tim Wescott
wrote: [snip] I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Progress. Go figure. That's how my grandfather on my mother's side made his fortune. At age 17 (in 1913) he was sent by a building contractor to pick up some lumber (by horse-drawn wagon). He argued with the estimator that the load was short. (Doing all the calculations in his head.) The saw-mill boss came up to settle the dispute... the estimator was fired and my grandfather was hired. Later he owned the saw-mill and a coal mine and a *HUGE* farm in Barbour County, WV. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, P.E. | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona Voice:(480)460-2350 | | | E-mail Address at Website Fax:(480)460-2142 | Brass Rat | | http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food. |
I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott
wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Progress. Go figure. The old coot had probably already measured it. Old coots have a way of fixing to win. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. The good news is that nothing is compulsory. The bad news is that everything is prohibited. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Also see http://www.isce.org.uk |
"Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... Roy Lewallen wrote: snip In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three -- at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. "I know you are a logger, sir, and not a common bum, 'Cause no one but a logger stirs his coffee with his thumb." Maybe the reason for the rounding down is more obvious than that! |
On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 17:14:41 +0100, John Woodgate
wrote: I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Progress. Go figure. The old coot had probably already measured it. Old coots have a way of fixing to win. Not always. Some get enough experience that they can eye something to an amazing degree of accuracy. Just takes 25 years of practice. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
"Wes Stewart" wrote in message ... On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 02:05:19 GMT, Gary S. Idontwantspam@net wrote: |On Fri, 10 Sep 2004 00:46:31 GMT, "Clarence" wrote: | |"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... | History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to | modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas | is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. | Some things never change. | | Roy Lewallen, W7EL | | It could only happen in the USA! | |A flaw in the system called Democracy? | |Democracy works best with a well educated, critical thinking, |intelligent group of voters capable of seeing long term effects. | |Someday, we might see how that works out. Doubtful. Of course real democracy is when nine of ten people in a room can vote to kill the tenth. -- A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine. Thomas Jefferson |
On Friday 10 September 2004 09:14 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us
with the following: I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Progress. Go figure. The old coot had probably already measured it. Old coots have a way of fixing to win. -- By golly, I guess I must be an old coot. I went to Staples to get a ream of 11x17 paper. All they had was a box. (10 reams per). The droid said that was the only way they can sell it. I said, "Don't be stupid. Just break open the box and get out a ream." This moron says, "Oh, they don't have barcodes on the single reams, they can't scan it." I just grumbled at him and went up to the register, and asked the kid, "Can you do a price check?" - BTW, this was the same kid who had got his boss, who was the one who said they can't sell one ream. So, the droid is off somewhere, I go slide a ream out of the box, the kid prices it, and it's about five bucks. So I go to the droid, and ask, "Are you a betting man? Tell you what - let's crack that box, and if the ream is not marked, I'll pay you five bucks, but if it is, you gotta buy it for me." He didn't want to bet, but he relented, and went and got the same ream that I had just had scanned, but stealthily put back, and let me buy it. Maybe this should be a true tale of induhviduals. Cheers! Rich |
On Friday 10 September 2004 08:18 am, Tim Wescott did deign to grace us with
the following: John Woodgate wrote: I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three - - at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. It is, AIUI, based on an average diameter and allows for the taper of the log. Probably -- I suppose if you measure more toward the butt end of the log that'll take care of the 0.14159etc. I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Wow, Roman Numerals! How old was this guy? ;-) |
On Friday 10 September 2004 08:49 pm, Tim Williams did deign to grace us
with the following: "Gary S." Idontwantspam@net wrote in message ... Some get enough experience that they can eye something to an amazing degree of accuracy. Just takes 25 years of practice. After building and molding a pattern, I can estimate how much metal it'll need to within a half pound. That means at worst, a slightly short pour and at most, a bit of metal left in the furnace (which pulls out nicely later). (Check the metalworking part of my website for terms...) Well, I can do wire sizes and machine screws. :-) |
"Rich Grise" wrote in message news:WuH0d.875$xH1.335@trnddc03... On Friday 10 September 2004 09:14 am, John Woodgate did deign to grace us with the following: I read in sci.electronics.design that Tim Wescott wrote (in . com) about 'Another hopeless text: spot the errors...', on Fri, 10 Sep 2004: I used to know a guy who had worked at a company that made estimator pads for log scalers -- had keys to enter all the parameters, an LCD screen, microprocessor, the whole nine yards. The first time he went to check it with a _real_ log scaler this old coot stepped out of the shack, looked at an entire load of lumber on a truck and said "that's about X board-feet". Kevin spent half an hour measuring and entering and came up with the same number. Progress. Go figure. The old coot had probably already measured it. Old coots have a way of fixing to win. -- By golly, I guess I must be an old coot. I went to Staples to get a ream of 11x17 paper. All they had was a box. (10 reams per). The droid said that was the only way they can sell it. I said, "Don't be stupid. Just break open the box and get out a ream." This moron says, "Oh, they don't have barcodes on the single reams, they can't scan it." I just grumbled at him and went up to the register, and asked the kid, "Can you do a price check?" - BTW, this was the same kid who had got his boss, who was the one who said they can't sell one ream. So, the droid is off somewhere, I go slide a ream out of the box, the kid prices it, and it's about five bucks. So I go to the droid, and ask, "Are you a betting man? Tell you what - let's crack that box, and if the ream is not marked, I'll pay you five bucks, but if it is, you gotta buy it for me." He didn't want to bet, but he relented, and went and got the same ream that I had just had scanned, but stealthily put back, and let me buy it. Maybe this should be a true tale of induhviduals. Cheers! Rich I bought a bag of candy at the Ralph's supermarket, and as I checked out the checker couldn't scan it nor find a price on it, so she had to send a boxboy back to check the price. This took a minute, so when she rung it up, instead of 99 cents, she rang 99 items at 1 cent each. I asked her whay, and she said that they are constantly measuring their performance, so if they ring 99 items it looks like they're more productive, like they had to count them out or something like that. Well, you ask, what does this have to do with the price of tea in China? Well, it gave me an idea. Just go back and get the price off the 2500 sheet carton and divide it by 2500. Then have them ring it up by the sheet(!) They can tell the management that they were extrremely productive and counted them all in only 10.7 minutes! And get a free break, to boot! I figured it out and a 2500 sheet carton costs $32 so it's $.0128 a sheet. That's $6.40 a ream. But I got the prices off their website and they also show a ream of 11x17 'ledger' as $6.99. So you could save $.59 if they'll do it my way. But their BOFH website wouldn't work without cookies enabled. I'll have to delete them when I'm finished. I think that it's easier to remember 11x17 than it us to remember that it's ledger, plus it's less typing. Same with legal. Speaking of having fun with the droids, I mailed a package to Tampa Bay, FL, this morning. I asked the postal clerk if he had hurricane insurance for it. He thought that was good for a laugh! ;-) |
Tim Wescott wrote: Roy Lewallen wrote: Gary S. wrote: On Thu, 09 Sep 2004 20:09:55 GMT, "Tom Donaly" wrote: They (the politicians) were relying on that vast storehouse of scientific information, the Bible, for their instruction. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH I missed that part. Guess it would be in the Book of Numbers. . . . Actually, it's in I Kings vii.23 and II Chronicles iv.2: "Also, he made a molten sea of ten cubits from brim to brim, round in compass, and five cubits the height thereof; and a line of thirty cubits did compass it round about." In _A History of Pi_ by Petr Beckmann, the author states (p. 174) that "There is a story about some American legislature having considered a bill to legislate, for religious reasons, the biblical value of pi = 3. I have found no confirmation of this story; very probably it grew out of an episode that actually took place in the State Legislature of Indiana in 1897." He describes the incident. . . A bill was introduced in the Indiana House in 1897 which said in the preamble: "A bill for an act introducing a new mathematical truth and offered as a contribution to education to be used only by the State of Indiana free of cost by paying any royalties whatever on the same, provided it is accepted and adopted by the official action of the legislature in 1897." In Section 1, the value of pi is effectively declared to be about 9.2. In Section 2, it's said to be exactly 3.2. The bill was referred ["perhaps symbolically", muses Beckmann] to the House Committee on Swamp Lands, which passed it to the Committee of Education, which reported it back to the House "with recommendation that said bill do pass." On Feb. 5, 1897, the Indiana House passed it unanimously. A charitable person would speculate that, like our current legislators and the more recent Patriot Act, they just didn't trouble themselves to read it before voting. It was saved from passage by the Senate by the intervention of a Purdue math professor named Waldo who, horrified when learning about it, coached the senators. History repeats itself. Now political interests are being used to modify, distort, ignore, and contradict scientific findings. And Kansas is once again attempting to legislate against the teaching of evolution. Some things never change. Roy Lewallen, W7EL In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three -- at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com PI - 3 = Sawdust Cheers, JLS |
Tim Wescott wrote: In some states (Oregon included, IIRC), pi _is_ legally equal to three -- at least for the purposes of calculating the number of board feet in a log, and most likely as an informed decision to make calculation easier. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com PI - 3 = Sawdust Cheers, JLS |
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