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Thanks for the suggestions, Steve. I've updated the file to incorporate
them. The new file is at http://eznec.com/Amateur/RMS_Power.pdf. During recent trips to Powell's Technical Bookstore and the library, I looked through a number of books about electrical circuits which are oriented toward hobbyists and technicians (that is, ones lacking the math of a college level circuits text). I'm glad to say I didn't find any which were plainly wrong about average and RMS power (like the Joe Carr book quoted earlier here). But what nearly all of them do is to introduce RMS voltage and current pretty early on in the text, and explain that the RMS values of voltage and current are important because they represent equivalent heating values (which is correct). From then on, they simply use E and I with the assumption that they represent RMS values of voltage and current. At some point, they introduce the equation P = E * I or, in the more advanced ones, E * I * cos(phase angle), and maybe at that point mention that P is the equivalent heating power (which is also correct). What I didn't see in any of them was the fact that the product of the RMS values of E and I is the *average*, and *not* the RMS value of P. It's easy to understand, then, why a lot of people, like a number of the folks who posted comments and questions here, naturally (and incorrectly) assume that the product of Erms and Irms is RMS power. The books simply don't contain the information you'd need in order to discover that Erms * Irms = Pavg. Hopefully the paper posted by Rosenbaum and the one I did will help fill the void. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Steve Nosko wrote: Both the Rosenbaum and Lewallen papers look very good and well written. I would, however, Roy, make a more explicit statement that while RMS power can be calculated, is has no practical value for the normal considerations of power...and add a note indicating something like that: "The phrase "RMS Power" has been used in some circles not as an exact use of the term RMS, but rather as an informal "standard" that actually means "average power under specific text conditions". (I refer to an earlier post telling of the single channel, steady state audio power amp measurement) This use of the term "RMS" was originally initiated to call attention to the specific test. Unfortunately, this use has caused some confusion in the use of this terminology and is some of the motivation for the paper." 73, Steve, K9DCI |
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On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:52:41 -0800, Roy Lewallen
wrote: Thanks for the suggestions, Steve. I've updated the file to incorporate them. The new file is at http://eznec.com/Amateur/RMS_Power.pdf. During recent trips to Powell's Technical Bookstore and the library, I looked through a number of books about electrical circuits which are oriented toward hobbyists and technicians (that is, ones lacking the math of a college level circuits text). I'm glad to say I didn't find any which were plainly wrong about average and RMS power (like the Joe Carr book quoted earlier here). But what nearly all of them do is to introduce RMS voltage and current pretty early on in the text, and explain that the RMS values of voltage and current are important because they represent equivalent heating values (which is correct). From then on, they simply use E and I with the assumption that they represent RMS values of voltage and current. At some point, they introduce the equation P = E * I or, in the more advanced ones, E * I * cos(phase angle), and maybe at that point mention that P is the equivalent heating power (which is also correct). What I didn't see in any of them was the fact that the product of the RMS values of E and I is the *average*, and *not* the RMS value of P. It's easy to understand, then, why a lot of people, like a number of the folks who posted comments and questions here, naturally (and incorrectly) assume that the product of Erms and Irms is RMS power. The books simply don't contain the information you'd need in order to discover that Erms * Irms = Pavg. Hopefully the paper posted by Rosenbaum and the one I did will help fill the void. Hi Roy, there does seem to be an unsettling amount of misinformation, errors and poor explanations in the majority of text books I've encountered, I'm sorry to say. No wonder there's such a huge amount of confusion surrounding these aspects of our hobby. :-( -- "What is now proved was once only imagin'd." - William Blake, 1793. |
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