Airy R.Bean wrote:
You behave like a 5-year-old.


Your postings on USENET were completely different from the drivel you post
now... what happened, Gareth? Tell Doctor Hully...
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"Airy R.Bean" wrote:

: What is Ham Radio?
:
: Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
: are interested in the science of radio wave
: propagation and who are also interested in the
: way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
: tradition of providing a source of engineers who
: are born naturals.
:
: Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
: fascination with all things technical and gives
: an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
: knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!
:

sort of correct.
but thanks the certain organisations..and a bunch of lazy people it
no longer exists.
it has however been replaced by multi-band cb radio

Fine, so it's a technical hobby that requires some aptitude and an interest
in one or more facets of the hobby/technical pursuit. I may be more towards
to the technical side of the hobby and have an interest in restoration of
old boatanchors but there are many other areas of interest. If a licensed
amateur is interested in contesting/collecting squares, ragchewing,
homebrewing raynet or even trying something new why not just let them get on
with it. Garath has a bad attitude mainly directed at anyone without a
Morse test, more a case of "I spent 10 long years learning the code, it was
hard work so why should they get HF by just passing the RAE." Morse is a
fantastic mode for DX and weak signal working breaking down the language
barrier and allowing for very simple homebrew but is not a suitable or
appropriate qualification for access to HF (the requirement for Morse was
due to the shared bands to enable the primary user the facility to tell us
to QSY, no longer necessary). We all have our personal views regarding the
qualifications that should be required, usually the skill level of the
individual expressing the view, in your case Walt probably 30 wpm+. My
view is that a higher level of RAE pass mark should be required but that
again is just a personal view. Don't deride the amateurs, deride the system
if need be but blind insults towards a licence "CLASS" are out of order and
to coin a phrase from Garth are not in keeping with the gentlemanly
traditions of amateur radio.


RRH




"Walt Davidson" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 00:57:10 -0000, "real-radio-ham"
wrote:

Don't you ever change the record, amateur radio is what you make it, it's
only a hobby.

CB is only a hobby.

Amateur radio is much more than a hobby. It is a technical pursuit
for people interested in and capable of lifelong learning and
self-development. That excludes the vast majority of CBers, at a
stroke.

73 de G3NYY

--
Walt Davidson Email: g3nyy @despammed.com

On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 21:47:03 -0000, "real-radio-ham"
wrote:

Morse is a fantastic mode for DX and weak signal working breaking down
the language barrier and allowing for very simple homebrew but is not a
suitable or appropriate qualification for access to HF ...

Perhaps not, but it was very effective in keeping CB-ers and other
feckless yobs off the HF bands.

18.25x4 de Jock.
--

XXX Olympiad, Paris, 2012.

Doesn't it say in the licence conditions that the licence is for the self
learning of the licensee?
or are you saying that everybody should know absolutely everything about
radio before you can even get a licence?
Didn't you also learn about radio!
"Airy R.Bean" wrote in message
...
What is Ham Radio?

Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who
are interested in the science of radio wave
propagation and who are also interested in the
way that their radios function. It has a long-standing
tradition of providing a source of engineers who
are born naturals.

Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life
fascination with all things technical and gives
an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific
knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in!

This excitement causes a wish to share the experience
with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the
gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio.

Radio Hams are qualified to design, build and then
operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this
with gusto, and also repair and modify their own
equipment.

The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with
relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making
his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces
of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal
generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with
the latter that communication with like-minded technically
motivated people takes off. The scope for technical
development grows with the years
and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal
of excitement in the areas of computer programming to
be learnt and applied.

The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete
with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured
the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing,
competitions and fox-hunts.

-----ooooo----

However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a
desirable thing to have that there are large
numbers of people who wish to be thought of
as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing
of the kind! Usually such people are a
variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their
radios off the shelf and send them back to be
repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion
and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how
their radios work inside and have no wish to find out;
they are free with rather silly personal insults;
they have not satisfied any technical qualification
and their licences prevent the use of
self-designed-and-built equipment.

These CB types engage in the competitive activities
with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios
in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams.

No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people!

"real-radio-ham" wrote:

: individual expressing the view, in your case Walt probably 30 wpm+. My
: view is that a higher level of RAE pass mark should be required but that
: again is just a personal view. Don't deride the amateurs, deride the system

as i said before on this newsgroup.

the poor m3 candidate is ''taught'' and then fed to the cannons in some
sort of ''pump-em-out'' activity to flood amateur radio with
raw-green-beginners in some sort effort that apparently is to lower the
standard and to turn 7mhz into 27mhz.
these unfortunates are then faced with the views of those who know
that the system sucks. these people being those who are not beholding to a
system that requires an rsgb instructor to sign a piece of paper before
they can get a licence.


but as i sad before, m3's themselves should shout for a higher standard.


as i said before...the system is being run by people who refused to
recognise the morse test but now force every candidate to do the morse
assessment!

thats a double-standard if ever there was one.

HYPOCRISY that has arisen from INSECURITY?

"ZZZPK http://dataglobe.hu/skyguru "
.es.it.net wrote in
message ...
as i said before...the system is being run by people who refused to
recognise the morse test but now force every candidate to do the morse
assessment!

Sussed it 'They' like to be thought of as 'special. I am a radio amateur. I
am special.
Then loads of other people realise, there not so special after all, anyone
can do it!
As there are now a 'new' breed of sharing radio amateurs, who after years of
secrecy are willing to break ranks and tell the less fortunate, the radio
secrets. Show them how easy it is to start on the path, to be a radio
amateur. The new interested party's take some 'tests' and find them so easy,
that they all pass. They are 'baby' radio amateurs, the idea is they learn
as they go, pass exams and eventually become full licence radio amateurs.

The old school will never accept it.
Who likes to work and pay for something, then see some one else get it for
less?
No one its not human nature.

The Masons will never think the Buffaloes are up to being Masons.
If they dropped all the secrets and made it easy for them to get in.
There would always be a section who moaned about it.
Even if the Buffaloes brought in loads of funds, did loads of good work.
They would always be 2'nd class Masons.
(To the Masons)

The rest of the world don't give a fig!

The older radio amateurs would like to stay special, the elite.
Then someone decided they had been top of the class long enough.
The Ofcom and RSGB are both business, businesses can't afford to be choosy
with there clients, can they?
If radio amateur numbers had not increased and they had not received more
revenue.
It wouldn't have paid its way, eventually they could have sold it off.
The CB 'licence holders' carried it for years, there numbers paid for the
rest of the 'hobby' radio spectrum.
Now that's going, this is another way of getting the hobby radio users
paying for our bit of the radio spectrum. If we cant pay for it they will
sell it some one else, because to them, its not personal, its only business.

wrote in message
...
Sussed it 'They' like to be thought of as 'special. I am a radio amateur.
I
am special.
Then loads of other people realise, there not so special after all, anyone
can do it!
As there are now a 'new' breed of sharing radio amateurs, who after years
of
secrecy are willing to break ranks and tell the less fortunate, the radio
secrets. Show them how easy it is to start on the path, to be a radio
amateur. The new interested party's take some 'tests' and find them so
easy,
that they all pass. They are 'baby' radio amateurs, the idea is they learn
as they go, pass exams and eventually become full licence radio amateurs.


Good description. The bit you missed is that those who always seem to rant
about how hard it used to be are usually the least technically able.


The old school will never accept it.
Who likes to work and pay for something, then see some one else get it for
less?
No one its not human nature.

The Masons will never think the Buffaloes are up to being Masons.
If they dropped all the secrets and made it easy for them to get in.
There would always be a section who moaned about it.
Even if the Buffaloes brought in loads of funds, did loads of good work.
They would always be 2'nd class Masons.
(To the Masons)

First time I've heard that expressed. There are actually a whole range of
such organisations, Round Table, Rotary, Loins, Odd Fellows, Ancient Order
of Forresters, Masons (mainstream, female, and mixed), ........ All no
doubt some members each of will think 'their's is the best', truth is,
most are much the same and many have surprisingly similar aims. At the end
of the day, if you find one you enjoy then it is the best for you.

The rest of the world don't give a fig!

But some decide to make an issue of it.

--
Brian Reay
www.g8osn.org.uk
www.amateurradiotraining.org.uk
FP#898

Well, you used to rant on about the 12WPM Morse test, and just
consider the areas in which you are not technically able.....

You suggested that resistors were polarised,..... that
motion was possible without power transmission,..... that e^(-jwt)
was a function that decreased with increasing t,..... that ever larger
negative numbers were decreasing in size,..... that Reg Varney the comic
actor was G5RV,..... referred to the posited Pederson Rays as, "Peterson
Rays",..... displayed amazing ignorance about Eddystone receivers,.....
spent 15 months in this NG promoting your sexual perversion
with sheep shagging,..... were too lazy or too stupid, or both, to be able
to tackle and pass a 12 WPM Morse Test that otherwise-unqualified
self-taught 14-year-olds were taking in their stride,..... despite
_TWO DEGREES_, one of them in _ELECTRONICS_, didn't know how to
design a common collector stage to give a power gain..... don't
know what a woodpecker is..... doesn't understand vectors.....
finds it hard to fit an N-plug.....


"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...

Good description. The bit you missed is that those who always seem to rant
about how hard it used to be are usually the least technically able.