"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover"" wrote
in message ...

But someday all the i's will get dotted and t's crossed and the spammers
will not have any way to hide. That may take IPV6, which seems like it
should have been implemented long ago, but still hasn't. Don't hold
your breath.

Yes. And people will whine about the loss of their precious "electronic
frontier" as the Internet ceases to be a fantasyland above and beyond the
law.

The Internet was designed for use within research establishments where
people were all, at some level, accountable and trustworthy. It has become
a playground for con artists and pests.

It may take another half century. I'm reminded of the chaos that afflicted
radio before WWI. People just chose their own frequencies and hoped nobody
would interfere with them, knowingly or unknowingly.

(And thus I bring the subject matter back to that of the newsgroups we're
in!

"mc" wrote in message
...

"Watson A.Name - "Watt Sun, the Dark Remover""
wrote
in message ...

But someday all the i's will get dotted and t's crossed and the
spammers
will not have any way to hide. That may take IPV6, which seems like
it
should have been implemented long ago, but still hasn't. Don't hold
your breath.

Yes. And people will whine about the loss of their precious
"electronic
frontier" as the Internet ceases to be a fantasyland above and beyond
the
law.

Only in their minds.

The Internet was designed for use within research establishments where
people were all, at some level, accountable and trustworthy. It has
become
a playground for con artists and pests.

All, at some level, accountable and trustworthy? Not really. The first
spam was in 1978, so there were problems from the beginning.

Basically what you have is the virtual world has become a microcosm of
the real world. Nothing more, nothing less.

It may take another half century. I'm reminded of the chaos that
afflicted
radio before WWI. People just chose their own frequencies and hoped
nobody
would interfere with them, knowingly or unknowingly.

Well, they say that 5 years in the virtual world is an eternity...

(And thus I bring the subject matter back to that of the newsgroups
we're
in!

The Internet was designed for use within research establishments where
people were all, at some level, accountable and trustworthy. It has
become
a playground for con artists and pests.

All, at some level, accountable and trustworthy? Not really. The first
spam was in 1978, so there were problems from the beginning.

There was very little until the 1990s, and if the first spam was in 1978,
then we had about 7 years of good networking before there was any.

"mc" wrote in message
...
The Internet was designed for use within research establishments
where
people were all, at some level, accountable and trustworthy. It
has
become
a playground for con artists and pests.

All, at some level, accountable and trustworthy? Not really. The
first
spam was in 1978, so there were problems from the beginning.

There was very little until the 1990s, and if the first spam was in
1978,

You're exactly right: there was very little in the early '90s because
the Net was very little until the '90s. Obviously.

then we had about 7 years of good networking before there was any.

I'm curious as to what you mean by good networking. And what you mean
by 'there was any'. Like, any _what_? Those two idiots Canter & Siegel
were already spamming Usenet in 1994.
http://www.coin.org.uk/roadshow/pres...on/canter.html

There was very little until the 1990s, and if the first spam was in
1978,

You're exactly right: there was very little in the early '90s because
the Net was very little until the '90s. Obviously.

then we had about 7 years of good networking before there was any.

I'm curious as to what you mean by good networking. And what you mean
by 'there was any'. Like, any _what_? Those two idiots Canter & Siegel
were already spamming Usenet in 1994.

Yes, because in 1993, commercial public access began. There was very, very
little spam during the days when the Internet was confined to academia and
research labs. Back then, when people talked about "spam" they generally
meant announcements that were on-topic but were considered too commercial.

"mc" wrote in message
...
There was very little until the 1990s, and if the first spam was in
1978,

You're exactly right: there was very little in the early '90s
because
the Net was very little until the '90s. Obviously.

then we had about 7 years of good networking before there was any.

I'm curious as to what you mean by good networking. And what you
mean
by 'there was any'. Like, any _what_? Those two idiots Canter &
Siegel
were already spamming Usenet in 1994.

Yes, because in 1993, commercial public access began. There was very,
very
little spam during the days when the Internet was confined to academia
and
research labs.

But, "there was very, very little Internet during the days when the
Internet was confined to academia and research labs." So the effect was
virtually nil.

Or more precisely, if you didn't have any spam because you didn't have
any Internet, then what's the point.

Back then, when people talked about "spam" they generally
meant announcements that were on-topic but were considered too
commercial.

But, "back then, when people talked about "spam", there were no people
talking in the general public. In other words, back in "the good ol'
days", there were no good ol' days for the average person.