That is why I mentioned "UnUn." It is taken for granted he will ask, or use
the correct one (Balun/UnUn)...

A balanced "supplies its own ground." A ground or "counterpoise" is NOT
required for the ant to work against...

Warmest regards,
John

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
| What exactly do you mean by "balanced"?
|
| If you put a balun between a "balanced" radio and a "balanced" antenna,
| what would happen? What would happen if you put it between an
| "unbalanced" radio and an "unbalanced" antenna? What would happen if you
| connected an "unbalanced" radio to a "balanced" antenna without a balun?
|
| Roy Lewallen, W7EL
|
| John Smith wrote:
| An "Unbalanced Dipole", interesting concept...
|
| Regards,
| John
|
| "Bill" wrote in message
| ...
| | erichmadison wrote:
| |
| | Bill,
| |
| | One of the wires is a ground, the other is the antenna. Would this
| | still be a dipole? Thanks for your previous post!
| |
| | 'Ground' has various implications when it comes to rf. If they tell
you
| | to attach it to a water pipe or ground rod then it may be a true dc
| | ground. If they tell you to extend it just like the antenna side and
| | not connect it to anything, then its an RF ground plane...which can be
| | compared to rabbit ears, dipole, etc.
| |
| | Is it balanced or not? Hard to guess.
| |
| | -Bill
|
|

ROFLOL!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"Bill" wrote in message
...
| John Smith wrote:
|
| An "Unbalanced Dipole", interesting concept...
|
| Regards,
| John
|
| Yeah, then its a quarter-wave vertical w/ground plane laying on its side
:-)
|
|
| -Bill

So then a dipole with one leg 5 times as long as the other would be a
"balanced" antenna. I see.

Tell me, how is this "ground" "supplied"? What exactly is a "ground",
say 50 feet up in the air?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

John Smith wrote:
. . .
A balanced "supplies its own ground." A ground or "counterpoise" is NOT
required for the ant to work against...

Warmest regards,
John

Well, "di" = two, so in that sense, "dipole" would not necessarly be
balanced--however, that is not what I expect when someone tells me they have
a "dipole."

Although, quite well granted, it qualifies (my groundplane ant is a
"dipole", but I think I would mislead if I stated that in some circles! (as
it does have a few extra "legs" on one side.) However, it (the radials)
could be viewed as one single conductor, in the sense a tophat might be a
sheet, or a set of multiple wires, or the bottom cone of a "discone"
composed of many "legs" as compared to one solid sheet of conductor...

Semantics: retarded person = mentally disabled = special needs =
handicapped, etc... don't ya just love it!

"Gound" at 1000 ft in the air is a counterpoise (body of an aircraft, most
likely what the neg lead of the power source is hooked to), could be one
long wire to ground too--most likely in need of "tuning" to function
optimally....

If I someone stuck a 1K resistor (or diode-anode towards +) between my
chasis of the radio and the negative lead (probably best to bypass it with a
cap at rf in question), the top of that 1K resistor (or cathode of diode) is
"real ground"--in the sense of "time" being real... they "ground" every
telephone pole now and then, because across distances "earth ground" is not
"equal ground."

If your point is that "ground" is relative--I know a guy who claimed that of
the whole universe....

That guys ground could well be the chasis (even though a 1k resistor!), or
the other side of coil with its center at "ground", or not... etc.

But, those two wires he described are two wires of equal length, so, suggest
themselves as a "conventional dipole", with nothing else to go on--I am
willing to accept that...

I have been wrong before, is so this time--I learn something...

Warmest regards,
John

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
| So then a dipole with one leg 5 times as long as the other would be a
| "balanced" antenna. I see.
|
| Tell me, how is this "ground" "supplied"? What exactly is a "ground",
| say 50 feet up in the air?
|
| Roy Lewallen, W7EL
|
| John Smith wrote:
| . . .
| A balanced "supplies its own ground." A ground or "counterpoise" is NOT
| required for the ant to work against...
|
| Warmest regards,
| John

My intent was to spur some thought about the meaning of the terms you've
so liberally and seemingly authoritatively tossed about. These
"explanations" show that your understanding is, indeed, very muddled and
vague. I suggest you do a bit of study to gain a clearer grasp of these
concepts before you give too much advice about how to apply them.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

John Smith wrote:
Well, "di" = two, so in that sense, "dipole" would not necessarly be
balanced--however, that is not what I expect when someone tells me they have
a "dipole."

Although, quite well granted, it qualifies (my groundplane ant is a
"dipole", but I think I would mislead if I stated that in some circles! (as
it does have a few extra "legs" on one side.) However, it (the radials)
could be viewed as one single conductor, in the sense a tophat might be a
sheet, or a set of multiple wires, or the bottom cone of a "discone"
composed of many "legs" as compared to one solid sheet of conductor...

Semantics: retarded person = mentally disabled = special needs =
handicapped, etc... don't ya just love it!

"Gound" at 1000 ft in the air is a counterpoise (body of an aircraft, most
likely what the neg lead of the power source is hooked to), could be one
long wire to ground too--most likely in need of "tuning" to function
optimally....

If I someone stuck a 1K resistor (or diode-anode towards +) between my
chasis of the radio and the negative lead (probably best to bypass it with a
cap at rf in question), the top of that 1K resistor (or cathode of diode) is
"real ground"--in the sense of "time" being real... they "ground" every
telephone pole now and then, because across distances "earth ground" is not
"equal ground."

If your point is that "ground" is relative--I know a guy who claimed that of
the whole universe....

That guys ground could well be the chasis (even though a 1k resistor!), or
the other side of coil with its center at "ground", or not... etc.

But, those two wires he described are two wires of equal length, so, suggest
themselves as a "conventional dipole", with nothing else to go on--I am
willing to accept that...

I have been wrong before, is so this time--I learn something...

Warmest regards,
John

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
| So then a dipole with one leg 5 times as long as the other would be a
| "balanced" antenna. I see.
|
| Tell me, how is this "ground" "supplied"? What exactly is a "ground",
| say 50 feet up in the air?
|
| Roy Lewallen, W7EL
|
| John Smith wrote:
| . . .
| A balanced "supplies its own ground." A ground or "counterpoise" is NOT
| required for the ant to work against...
|
| Warmest regards,
| John

Suck it up old man--that ego will heal!

John

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
| My intent was to spur some thought about the meaning of the terms you've
| so liberally and seemingly authoritatively tossed about. These
| "explanations" show that your understanding is, indeed, very muddled and
| vague. I suggest you do a bit of study to gain a clearer grasp of these
| concepts before you give too much advice about how to apply them.
|
| Roy Lewallen, W7EL
|
| John Smith wrote:
| Well, "di" = two, so in that sense, "dipole" would not necessarly be
| balanced--however, that is not what I expect when someone tells me they
have
| a "dipole."
|
| Although, quite well granted, it qualifies (my groundplane ant is a
| "dipole", but I think I would mislead if I stated that in some circles!
(as
| it does have a few extra "legs" on one side.) However, it (the radials)
| could be viewed as one single conductor, in the sense a tophat might be
a
| sheet, or a set of multiple wires, or the bottom cone of a "discone"
| composed of many "legs" as compared to one solid sheet of conductor...
|
| Semantics: retarded person = mentally disabled = special needs =
| handicapped, etc... don't ya just love it!
|
| "Gound" at 1000 ft in the air is a counterpoise (body of an aircraft,
most
| likely what the neg lead of the power source is hooked to), could be one
| long wire to ground too--most likely in need of "tuning" to function
| optimally....
|
| If I someone stuck a 1K resistor (or diode-anode towards +) between my
| chasis of the radio and the negative lead (probably best to bypass it
with a
| cap at rf in question), the top of that 1K resistor (or cathode of
diode) is
| "real ground"--in the sense of "time" being real... they "ground" every
| telephone pole now and then, because across distances "earth ground" is
not
| "equal ground."
|
| If your point is that "ground" is relative--I know a guy who claimed
that of
| the whole universe....
|
| That guys ground could well be the chasis (even though a 1k resistor!),
or
| the other side of coil with its center at "ground", or not... etc.
|
| But, those two wires he described are two wires of equal length, so,
suggest
| themselves as a "conventional dipole", with nothing else to go on--I am
| willing to accept that...
|
| I have been wrong before, is so this time--I learn something...
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
| ...
| | So then a dipole with one leg 5 times as long as the other would be a
| | "balanced" antenna. I see.
| |
| | Tell me, how is this "ground" "supplied"? What exactly is a "ground",
| | say 50 feet up in the air?
| |
| | Roy Lewallen, W7EL
| |
| | John Smith wrote:
| | . . .
| | A balanced "supplies its own ground." A ground or "counterpoise" is
NOT
| | required for the ant to work against...
| |
| | Warmest regards,
| | John
|
|