I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.



Ed K7AAT

Ed wrote:

I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a
12V (fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple
for CW/SSB reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for
75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.


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That design was common in the car radios of the late '50s to early
'60s. They used tubes for all functions except the output amplifier,
which was a transistor. You can probably find old Sams manuals on ebay,
or just copy an existing HV schematic and substitute the 12v tubes.
There isn't a very great difference.

Incidentally, if you have trouble finding the tubes designed for 12v on
the plate, ordinary HV tubes worked fairly well but with somewhat lower
gain. My first job after high school was repairing those radios.

Also, the 12v tubes were quite prone to develop microphonic problems.
The design only lasted a few years until good transistors became
available cheap. They are an interesting bit of electronic history, but
not really practical today. A five cent transistor will outperform what
has become a very scarce and expensive 12v tube.

But have fun anyway. :-)

--
Bill, W6WRT

I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.

Operating tube plates down to 12 VDC supply is pushing things a
bit far, to be honest with you.

Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.

I bought a couple of them many years ago, surplus, principally
to get the nice compact 3-gang variable capacitor. Fired one
up in the company lab at 26 VDC and it was still in-spec although
those specs weren't the best. At 24 VDC the spec rating was
marginal. At 22 VDC it was below spec...but then the filaments
were also running cooler at 11 V each.

Don't remember what the IF (135 KHz) BW was, but, running with
a crystal-controlled converter ahead of it, the 195 to 500 KHz
tuning range could cover 75 or 40 meters no problem. A thought.

wrote:
I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.


Operating tube plates down to 12 VDC supply is pushing things a
bit far, to be honest with you.

Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.

I bought a couple of them many years ago, surplus, principally
to get the nice compact 3-gang variable capacitor. Fired one
up in the company lab at 26 VDC and it was still in-spec although
those specs weren't the best. At 24 VDC the spec rating was
marginal. At 22 VDC it was below spec...but then the filaments
were also running cooler at 11 V each.

Don't remember what the IF (135 KHz) BW was, but, running with
a crystal-controlled converter ahead of it, the 195 to 500 KHz
tuning range could cover 75 or 40 meters no problem. A thought.



I've got one of those in the junk box. I was thinking of converting
it to solid state using cascaded (J310-311 and 2N2222) transistors,
perhaps a differential set of J310's for the mixer and a single J310
for the oscillator. Not sure about the audio and detector stages yet.
There was an article in an old '73 magazine on converting one of those
sets to solid state and adding a crystal controled converter to receive
40 meters. I've misplaced that issue though.

From: Ken Scharf on Jun 25, 6:26 pm

wrote:
I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.

Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.

Don't remember what the IF (135 KHz) BW was, but, running with
a crystal-controlled converter ahead of it, the 195 to 500 KHz
tuning range could cover 75 or 40 meters no problem. A thought.

I've got one of those in the junk box. I was thinking of converting
it to solid state using cascaded (J310-311 and 2N2222) transistors,
perhaps a differential set of J310's for the mixer and a single J310
for the oscillator. Not sure about the audio and detector stages yet.
There was an article in an old '73 magazine on converting one of those
sets to solid state and adding a crystal controled converter to receive
40 meters. I've misplaced that issue though.

Converting a "Q5-er" from tubes to FETs would be rather easy.
No real need for the 2N2222s. Would have gobs of space left over
inside an already compact box.

If the 135 KHz IF has an equivalent total Q of 100, the BW would
be about 1.3 KHz, not all that swift for CW and too shart for SSB.

However, the BC-1206 tuning range of 195 to 500 KHz results in
an image at the converter input of 390 to 1000 KHz away from the
desired band. That's worse than the 910 KHz image of an old
455 KHz IF.

The BC-1206 tuning drive wouldn't be fine enough for today's
narrowband style of operating so that would need a fair amount
of mechanical rework. User's choice there.

The linear-in-capacity rotation of the 3-gang variable is good
for an RX Noise Bridge having an expanded parallel-C range...
which is what I used them for. :-)

wrote:
From: Ken Scharf on Jun 25, 6:26 pm


wrote:

I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.

Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.


Don't remember what the IF (135 KHz) BW was, but, running with
a crystal-controlled converter ahead of it, the 195 to 500 KHz
tuning range could cover 75 or 40 meters no problem. A thought.

I've got one of those in the junk box. I was thinking of converting
it to solid state using cascaded (J310-311 and 2N2222) transistors,
perhaps a differential set of J310's for the mixer and a single J310
for the oscillator. Not sure about the audio and detector stages yet.
There was an article in an old '73 magazine on converting one of those
sets to solid state and adding a crystal controled converter to receive
40 meters. I've misplaced that issue though.


Converting a "Q5-er" from tubes to FETs would be rather easy.
No real need for the 2N2222s. Would have gobs of space left over
inside an already compact box.

If the 135 KHz IF has an equivalent total Q of 100, the BW would
be about 1.3 KHz, not all that swift for CW and too shart for SSB.

However, the BC-1206 tuning range of 195 to 500 KHz results in
an image at the converter input of 390 to 1000 KHz away from the
desired band. That's worse than the 910 KHz image of an old
455 KHz IF.

The BC-1206 tuning drive wouldn't be fine enough for today's
narrowband style of operating so that would need a fair amount
of mechanical rework. User's choice there.

The linear-in-capacity rotation of the 3-gang variable is good
for an RX Noise Bridge having an expanded parallel-C range...
which is what I used them for. :-)



If I convert it to solid state, I'll probably use it for it's original
purpose as an aircraft NDB receiver. Although I don't fly anymore, I
have a private pilot's license and still like to listen in. Most NDB's
just send their call signs in A2 morse, but some also have live weather
reports as well. Only problem is that it only goes up to 400khz and
IIRC some of the NDB's in this area are a bit higher in frequency, I
could modifiy the tuning range a bit.

wrote:
From: Ken Scharf on Jun 25, 6:26 pm


wrote:

I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.

Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.


Don't remember what the IF (135 KHz) BW was, but, running with
a crystal-controlled converter ahead of it, the 195 to 500 KHz
tuning range could cover 75 or 40 meters no problem. A thought.

I've got one of those in the junk box. I was thinking of converting
it to solid state using cascaded (J310-311 and 2N2222) transistors,
perhaps a differential set of J310's for the mixer and a single J310
for the oscillator. Not sure about the audio and detector stages yet.
There was an article in an old '73 magazine on converting one of those
sets to solid state and adding a crystal controled converter to receive
40 meters. I've misplaced that issue though.


Converting a "Q5-er" from tubes to FETs would be rather easy.
No real need for the 2N2222s. Would have gobs of space left over
inside an already compact box.

This is the idea of a cascade fet-bipolar circuit. The drain of the fet
drives the emitter of the bipolar and the bipolar's base is biased so
that the base sits about half way up the power supply (two resistors).
The fet is self biased with a source resistor for the desired current.
The gain of this circuit is higher than a fet by itself, and the output
impedance will be higher.
____ __
-|_ \_/
| |


If the 135 KHz IF has an equivalent total Q of 100, the BW would
be about 1.3 KHz, not all that swift for CW and too shart for SSB.

The AnArc-5 Q5'ers had 6 tuned circuits in their If but the '1206
only has 3 or 4. So it's BW might be a tad wider. The 1206 also has
no bfo.

However, the BC-1206 tuning range of 195 to 500 KHz results in
an image at the converter input of 390 to 1000 KHz away from the
desired band. That's worse than the 910 KHz image of an old
455 KHz IF.

The 1206's dial only goes up to 400khz, but it tunes past that. Maybe
it goes to 420 or 450khz, I don't think it goes as high as 500khz.
(so maybe I don't have to expand the range for my needs).

The BC-1206 tuning drive wouldn't be fine enough for today's
narrowband style of operating so that would need a fair amount
of mechanical rework. User's choice there.

The vernier drive isn't that bad. I could put an elcheapo 1.5" vernier
dial to drive the tuning knob (if I modify the drive to remove the 180
degree stop). But I think all it really needs is a better bigger knob.

The linear-in-capacity rotation of the 3-gang variable is good
for an RX Noise Bridge having an expanded parallel-C range...
which is what I used them for. :-)

True, but the rig is just to cute to canabilze.

From: Ken Scharf on Sun 26 Jun 2005 22:41

wrote:
From: Ken Scharf on Jun 25, 6:26 pm
wrote:

I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M reception.

Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.

Converting a "Q5-er" from tubes to FETs would be rather easy.
No real need for the 2N2222s. Would have gobs of space left over
inside an already compact box.

This is the idea of a cascade fet-bipolar circuit. The drain of the fet
drives the emitter of the bipolar and the bipolar's base is biased so
that the base sits about half way up the power supply (two resistors).
The fet is self biased with a source resistor for the desired current.
The gain of this circuit is higher than a fet by itself, and the output
impedance will be higher.
____ __
-|_ \_/
| |

If the 135 KHz IF has an equivalent total Q of 100, the BW would
be about 1.3 KHz, not all that swift for CW and too shart for SSB.

The AnArc-5 Q5'ers had 6 tuned circuits in their If but the '1206
only has 3 or 4. So it's BW might be a tad wider. The 1206 also has
no bfo.

The ARC-5 LF version has IF TRANSFORMERS but the insides are
easy to see for detail. The 6 to 9 MHz version IFs (2830 KHz)
had only one tuned circuit in each IF can.

Can't remember what the BC-1206 used in their IF cans, but that
is easy to change inside the present can (it will look just the
same on the outside).

I can't see any advantage of going cascode (JFET-bipolar) when an
insulated gate FET would closely approximate a vacuum tube for
both input impedance (all capacitive) and drain/output impedance
(many hundreds of KOhms). Depends on what is available for the
vacuum-to-solid conversion.

Note: Both input and output impedances will affect the impedance
and Q of the tuned circuits...and the GAINS...for a conversion
with minimum circuit changes. All that has to be taken into
account.

However, the BC-1206 tuning range of 195 to 500 KHz results in
an image at the converter input of 390 to 1000 KHz away from the
desired band. That's worse than the 910 KHz image of an old
455 KHz IF.

The 1206's dial only goes up to 400khz, but it tunes past that. Maybe
it goes to 420 or 450khz, I don't think it goes as high as 500khz.
(so maybe I don't have to expand the range for my needs).

The variable tuning capacitor max:min ratio is roughly 11:1 (no
external parallel capacity). Since the resonant tuning range is
the square root of that, you could have it tune 190 to 570 KHz
with a 9:1 max:min change in resonance capacity. The only real
problem is getting the variable LO tuning to track the front end
since it would tune 325 to 705 KHz (for the high-side) and that
would be a 2.169:1 frequency ratio or 4.706 capacity change ratio.


The linear-in-capacity rotation of the 3-gang variable is good
for an RX Noise Bridge having an expanded parallel-C range...
which is what I used them for. :-)

True, but the rig is just to cute to canabilze.

Heh heh heh. I agree with you there. It probably is most dense
of any other 1940s era design using 8-pin "medium" size tubes,
including the very compact ARC-5 receivers. Not quite as dense
as the SCR-300 Walkie-Talkie (BC-1000) which stuffed 18 7-pin
"miniature" tubes, a half-dozen coil/transformer cans, and a
five-gang (!) variable capacitor into an approximate 5" x 10"
chassis. [Galvin/Motorola did real good in packaging there]

KEEPING the tubes as-is, with the possible exception of the AF
out (28D7 ?) would yield a straight-AM receiver. ADDING a BFO
via under-chassis bipolar transistor would result in minimum
cannibalization (one extra switch on front panel)...RF and IF
could remain the same. I've forgotten the audio output circuit
of it but recall that AF output power for old aircraft was
rather high (ambient noise in old warbirds was terrible). In a
quiet land environment, the audio output needed is rarely 200
milliWatts into a speaker, much less for headphones. The SCR-300
walkie-talkie (headphones only) had a maximum of 3 mW audio out!

Hint on supply conversion: A 12.6 V "filament" transformer can
do the job for all-12 V filaments in parallel. A voltage
doubling rectifier (even a tripler if need be) will yield the
quite-low B+ for plate and screen. I once did that (long time
ago) with a single transformer and voltage tripler for B+, all
working into a set of power resistor load boxes, all in a half
hour of tack-soldering. Got 30 VDC for B+ at 115 VAC line,
less than 5% ripple. Didn't have the BC-1206 then. A critic
looking on said "that isn't a good enough test...gotta have the
'real' load on it to 'prove' it." :-) [some folks just aren't
convinced until someone else has made a finished production
product!]

hay dont forget the r392 it was a 24 volt plates
On 23 Jun 2005 12:56:12 -0700, wrote:


Setchell-Carlson managed to do it with loctal-base tubes running
off of a 24/28 VDC aircraft bus back in WW2 times. No dynamotor,
just that cute little box referred to as a "range receiver" or
BC-1206.

I bought a couple of them many years ago, surplus, principally
to get the nice compact 3-gang variable capacitor. Fired one
up in the company lab at 26 VDC and it was still in-spec although
those specs weren't the best. At 24 VDC the spec rating was
marginal. At 22 VDC it was below spec...but then the filaments
were also running cooler at 11 V each.

Don't remember what the IF (135 KHz) BW was, but, running with
a crystal-controlled converter ahead of it, the 195 to 500 KHz
tuning range could cover 75 or 40 meters no problem. A thought.

Howdy:

I got just what you are looking for... how about the 'WWII Prison Camp
Short-wave Receiver' ?

The circuit is claimed to be from, "United States Army in WWII The Technical
Services, The Signal Corps: The Outcome, U.S. Government Printing Office,
1966."

Check the circuit at:
http://www.webex.net/~skywaves/SPY/spy.htm

I collected parts but never had a chance to build it---old metal canteens
are hard to find.

RG
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Ed wrote in message
2.175...

I am looking for a nice schematic, and perhaps additional info, on a 12V
(fil. & plate) tube superhet Rx; just something fairly simple for CW/SSB
reception without bells and whistles, and preferably for 75M/40M
reception.

Can anyone point me to info on this? Thanks.



Ed K7AAT