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What is Ham Radio?
Ham Radio is a technical pursuit for those who are interested in the science of radio wave propagation and who are also interested in the way that their radios function. It has a long-standing tradition of providing a source of engineers who are born naturals. Ham Radio awakens in its aficionados a whole-life fascination with all things technical and gives an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in! This excitement causes a wish to share the experience with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio. Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters, the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone users have to purchase ready-made gear. Manufacturers are not licensed to operate their gear. Radio Hams are qualified to design, build and then operate their own pieces of equipment. They do this with gusto, and also repair and modify their own equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort to gain, and one to be jealously guarded. The excitement that drives a Radio Ham starts with relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. Small pieces of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with the latter that communication with like-minded technically motivated people takes off. The scope for technical development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal of excitement in the areas of computer programming to be learnt and applied. The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams to compete with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing, competitions and fox-hunts. -----OOOOO---- However, beware! A Ham Radio licence is such a desirable thing to have that there are large numbers of people who wish to be thought of as Radio Hams when, in fact, they are nothing of the kind! Usually such people are a variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their radios off the shelf and send them back to be repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how their radios work inside and have no wish to find out; they are free with rather silly personal insults; they have not satisfied any technical qualification and their licences prevent the use of self-designed-and-built equipment. These CB types engage in the competitive activities with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams. No _REAL_ Radio Hams are deceived by such people! -----ooooo----- One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist from the _REAL_ Radio Ham is to solicit their view of the difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. A Radio Ham will perceive Ham Radio to be a technical pursuit and will perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham could also hold a CB licence safe in the knowledge that such a licence says no more about him than having a land-line telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio as a separate technical pursuit. A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between a Ham Radio licence and a CB Radio licence. To him, they are sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio Ham when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme. -----ooooo----- One group of people who claim to be of the standard of Radio Hams but who are in reality nothing more than an apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds. 6 year-olds simply lack the mathematical tool kit to enable them to handle even the simplest algebraic manipulation for Ohm's Law and thus, the disgraceful Class Ber's in the aforementioned category are not Radio Hams by any stretch of the imagination! Remember - A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme! |
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"Polymath" wrote in message oups.com... What is Ham Radio? snip Ahh, I can almost smelll the meths from here....looks like he chose another fine vintage from Wilko's finest.... |
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On 4 Nov 2005 07:00:39 -0800, "Polymath"
wrote in .com: What is Ham Radio? Do you mean the Amateur Radio Service? Ham Radio Amateur radio..... is a technical pursuit for those who are interested in the science of radio wave propagation and who are also interested in the way that their radios function. It has a long-standing tradition of providing a source of engineers who are born naturals. It also includes an interest in communication, that being the primary purpose for -using- a radio. Ham Radio Amateur radio..... awakens in its aficionados a whole-life fascination with all things technical and gives an all-abiding curiosity to improve one's scientific knowledge. It's a great swimming pool, please dive in! This excitement causes a wish to share the experience with ones fellow man, and shows itself in the gentlemanly traditions of Ham Radio. ......Amateur Radio. Radio Hams Radio Amateurs..... are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. Users, such as broadcasters, the po lice and armed farces, CBers and mobile phone users have to purchase ready-made gear. Wrong. As a BE I have designed, constructed and operated two broadcast transmitters. Anyone can build and operate equipment for any purpose provided the equipment meets government criteria and has been certificated (or otherwise authorized), and the operator has the proper license or authorization. And under those rules, Part 15 (as well as the UK equivalent) gives hobbyists the opportunity to build and operate their own equipment -without- a license at much lower power. That's not necessarily a bad thing; those who have challenged the limitations of the 1750m band have made significant technical advancements that have spilled over into the field of Amateur radio. Part 15 also allows broadcasting with very low power; broadcasting is prohibited for Amateurs except in very special circumstances. Manufacturers are not licensed to operate their gear. Wrong. They -MUST- hold a license or proper authorization to operate their equipment for the simple reason that it must be tested. Radio Hams Radio Amateurs..... are qualified to design, build and then operate their own pieces of equipment. Wrong. An Amateur license does not QUALIFY them to design or build anything. ANYONE can design and build their own equipment. Amateurs are AUTHORIZED to OPERATE their own equipment, and then ONLY if the equipment meets certain technical standards as set forth under the rules regulating Amateur radio. They do this with gusto, and also repair and modify their own equipment. This is a privilege well worth the effort to gain, and one to be jealously guarded. Yet it is a privilege that is not exclusive to Amateur radio. The excitement that drives a Radio Ham ...... a Radio Amateur..... starts with relatively simple technologies at first, perhaps making his own Wimshurst machine and primary cells. YIKES!!! A Wimshurst machine is an RFI nightmare -- definitely -NOT- on the list of preferred devices for use in Amateur radio. Small pieces of test equipment follow, possibly multimeters and signal generators. Then comes receivers and transmitters. It is with the latter that communication with like-minded technically motivated people takes off. The scope for technical development grows with the years and now encompasses DSP and DDS. There is also a great deal of excitement in the areas of computer programming to be learnt and applied. Gee, where's Gunny Dudly the Spelling Cop? The technical excitement motivates Radio Hams ......Radio Amateurs..... to compete with each other to determine who has designed and manufactured the best-quality station. This competitiveness is found in DXing, competitions and fox-hunts. -----OOOOO---- However, beware! A Ham Radio licence ......Amateur Radio "license"..... is such a desirable thing to have that there are large numbers of people who wish to be thought of as Radio Hams ......Radio Amateurs..... when, in fact, they are nothing of the kind! Usually such people are a variation of the CB Radio hobbyist; they buy their radios off the shelf and send them back to be repaired; they are not interested in technical discussion and sneer at those who are; they have no idea how their radios work inside and have no wish to find out; they are free with rather silly personal insults; they have not satisfied any technical qualification and their licences prevent the use of self-designed-and-built equipment. Notwithstanding the negative connotations, you described CB radio very well. The Citizen's Band is -intended- for people who want to buy their radios off the shelf -- not caring about how they work or any other technical aspects beyond basic functionality. It's a plug-n-play radio service. And no license is required (in the US). These CB types engage in the competitive activities with their Cheque-Book-purchased off-the-shelf radios in a forlorn effort to prove that they are Radio Hams. No _REAL_ Radio Hams ......Radio Amateurs..... are deceived by such people! Neither are any "_REAL_" CBers. -----ooooo----- One infallible way to disambiguate the CB Radio Hobbyist from the _REAL_ Radio Ham ......Radio Amateur..... is to solicit their view of the difference between CB Radio and Ham Radio. ......Amateur Radio. A Radio Ham A Radio Amateur..... will perceive Ham Radio ......Amateur Radio.... to be a technical pursuit and will perceive CB Radio to be a social communications facility no different in essence to a land-line telephone or a GSM mobile in the hands of a 6-year-old. Thus a Radio Ham ......Radio Amateur..... could also hold a CB licence safe in the knowledge that such a licence says no more about him than having a land-line telephone, whilst continuing to regard Ham Radio ......Amateur Radio..... as a separate technical pursuit. A CB Radio hobbyist, on the other hand, sees no difference between a Ham Radio licence ......an Amateur Radio license..... and a CB Radio licence. To him, they are sisters-under-the-skin. Wrongly, the CB Radio Hobbyist then tries to classify himself as the equal of the Radio Ham ......Radio Amateur..... when, in fact, he is nothing of the kind. A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme. ......"gangrenous degeneration"? And you think -CBers- have an attitude problem? -----ooooo----- One group of people who claim to be of the standard of Radio Hams ......Radio Amateurs..... but who are in reality nothing more than an apology for the failure of a CBer are those class B licensees who falsely proclaimed that they were against the use of a Morse Test to control access to the HF bands, until, that is, a test was introduced at their intellectual level, the intellectual level of 6-year-olds. 6 year-olds simply lack the mathematical tool kit to enable them to handle even the simplest algebraic manipulation for Ohm's Law and thus, the disgraceful Class Ber's in the aforementioned category are not Radio Hams ......Radio Amateurs..... by any stretch of the imagination! Remember - A sure sign of a CB Radio hobbyist is if he holds, or has ever held, a licence issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme! BTW, there -is- a FAQ for Amateur radio: it's called "The Radio Amateur's Handbook". ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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Polymouth wrote: Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. [ ] In the UK, no repeat no licence of any kind is necessary to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, own, or (under some circumstances) test an Amateur transmitter. [ ] A pass in a current examination for a UK Amateur Licence qualifies the successful candidate for the issue of a UK Licence. Holders of the appropriate levels of licence are permitted to operate transmitting equipment that is not subject to a formal approvals procedure, and to carry out technical investigations. A qualification for a Licence, or the Licence itself, is not, repeat not, a qualification to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, or own transmitting equipment. from Aero Spike |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... Polymouth wrote: Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. [ ] In the UK, no repeat no licence of any kind is necessary to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, own, or (under some circumstances) test an Amateur transmitter. That is essentially true also for the US. The amateur license is ONLY needed for "on-the-air" operation of a transmitter. In contrast, anyone can construct and operate a reciever. [ ] A pass in a current examination for a UK Amateur Licence qualifies the successful candidate for the issue of a UK Licence. Holders of the appropriate levels of licence are permitted to operate transmitting equipment that is not subject to a formal approvals procedure, and to carry out technical investigations. A qualification for a Licence, or the Licence itself, is not, repeat not, a qualification to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, or own transmitting equipment. I think that can be generally said as true also for the US. Cheers, Bill K2UNK |
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Bill Sohl wrote: "Spike" wrote Polymouth wrote: Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. [ ] In the UK, no repeat no licence of any kind is necessary to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, own, or (under some circumstances) test an Amateur transmitter. That is essentially true also for the US. The amateur license is ONLY needed for "on-the-air" operation of a transmitter. In contrast, anyone can construct and operate a reciever. Yes, it's a reasonably common theme that seems to have been totally missed by this chap. It makes one wonder if he has a full grasp of his Licence conditions [ ] A pass in a current examination for a UK Amateur Licence qualifies the successful candidate for the issue of a UK Licence. Holders of the appropriate levels of licence are permitted to operate transmitting equipment that is not subject to a formal approvals procedure, and to carry out technical investigations. A qualification for a Licence, or the Licence itself, is not, repeat not, a qualification to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, or own transmitting equipment. I think that can be generally said as true also for the US. Cheers, Bill K2UNK The other thing to be aware of is that this chap, in this sock-puppet and his innumerable previous ones, has alternately decried e.g contest operating as being the act of a "CBer", and then swung completely about and used it as a justification for the description of a 'radio ham'. I've lost count now of how many times this circle has been gone round. It must make anyone who is keen on becoming a 'radio ham' very confused, as the fundamental basis on which it is built changes so often! from Aero Spike |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... Bill Sohl wrote: "Spike" wrote Polymouth wrote: Radio Hams are in a unique privileged position in that they can construct and operate their own equipment! No-one else has this privilege. [ ] In the UK, no repeat no licence of any kind is necessary to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, own, or (under some circumstances) test an Amateur transmitter. That is essentially true also for the US. The amateur license is ONLY needed for "on-the-air" operation of a transmitter. In contrast, anyone can construct and operate a reciever. Yes, it's a reasonably common theme that seems to have been totally missed by this chap. It makes one wonder if he has a full grasp of his Licence conditions [ ] A pass in a current examination for a UK Amateur Licence qualifies the successful candidate for the issue of a UK Licence. Holders of the appropriate levels of licence are permitted to operate transmitting equipment that is not subject to a formal approvals procedure, and to carry out technical investigations. A qualification for a Licence, or the Licence itself, is not, repeat not, a qualification to specify, design, construct, modify, repair, or own transmitting equipment. I think that can be generally said as true also for the US. Cheers, Bill K2UNK The other thing to be aware of is that this chap, in this sock-puppet and his innumerable previous ones, has alternately decried e.g contest operating as being the act of a "CBer", and then swung completely about and used it as a justification for the description of a 'radio ham'. I've lost count now of how many times this circle has been gone round. It must make anyone who is keen on becoming a 'radio ham' very confused, as the fundamental basis on which it is built changes so often! from Aero Spike I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. Regards, Graham |
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The Magnum wrote: I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. I can't answer your question, but perhaps this is one of those cases where it is better not to ask, but to carry on as before. Having a piece of gear repaired by a certified authority will probably cost more than buying a new one.... from Aero Spike |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... The Magnum wrote: I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. I can't answer your question, but perhaps this is one of those cases where it is better not to ask, but to carry on as before. Having a piece of gear repaired by a certified authority will probably cost more than buying a new one.... from Aero Spike Thanks for that, quick answer too :o) I would agree about the cost from a Certified Authority as most CB's in the UK are only worth between $26 - $52 and the repair bill from a qualified "tech" would be more than this... and would they indeed bother as they could make far more money with the same effort repairing other items more valuable... I was just curious as to the legallity of repairing a CB. I wasnt admitting to anything.. honest .... ;o) Regards, Graham |
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The Magnum wrote: I was just curious as to the legallity of repairing a CB. I wasnt admitting to anything.. honest .... ;o) LOL! Unfortunately, Amateur Radio has seen increasing restrictions placed on it due to people seeking 'clarification' from the authorities, rather than enjoying freedom given by the sometimes loosely-worded regulations.... from Aero Spike |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... The Magnum wrote: I was just curious as to the legallity of repairing a CB. I wasnt admitting to anything.. honest .... ;o) LOL! Unfortunately, Amateur Radio has seen increasing restrictions placed on it due to people seeking 'clarification' from the authorities, rather than enjoying freedom given by the sometimes loosely-worded regulations.... from Aero Spike Sounds good to me, now wheres my hammer and screwdriver.. im sure theres an extra half watt in there somewhere ;o) |
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"The Magnum" wrote in message ... I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. I'm not sure why this thread is even being cross-posted into a CB group, but to answer your question, in the US, the radio must be serviced by a qualified, licensed individual. That is the "legal" way of doing it anyway. It doesn't happen very often, but that is another story for another time... |
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I'm not sure why this thread is even being cross-posted into a CB group,
but to answer your question, in the US, the radio must be serviced by a qualified, licensed individual. That is the "legal" way of doing it anyway. It doesn't happen very often, but that is another story for another time... Get a new rule book like one that is newer than say about 10 or so years. The CB radios in the US has not required a license to repair them in many years. The GROL is the replacement for the 1st and 2 nd class licenses that used to be required to repair many transmitters. For about 95 % of the transmitters in the US it is now worthless and not needed. Some companies may require it as they think they are getting someone that may know something. Now it is only needed for : ***************** General Radiotelephone Operator License (GROL) is required to adjust maintain, or internally repair FCC licensed radiotelephone transmitters in the aviation, maritime and international fixed public radio services. It conveys all of the operating authority of the MROP. It is required to operate the following: any maritime land radio station or compulsorily equipped ship radiotelephone station operating with more than 1500 watts of peak envelope power; voluntarily equipped ship and aeronautical (including aircraft) stations with more than 1000 watts of peak envelope power ******************** Go here for more info on the licenses that are now issued. http://www.narte.org/h/fccabout.asp |
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"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... "The Magnum" wrote in message ... I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. I'm not sure why this thread is even being cross-posted into a CB group, but Because its a question about CB's ?????????? to answer your question, in the US, the radio must be serviced by a qualified, licensed individual. That is the "legal" way of doing it anyway. It doesn't happen very often, but that is another story for another time... Thanks for that. So the theory i get so far is anyone can build an Amateur radio but they cant "repair" a CB radio.... lol.. it is a crazy world |
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Thanks for that. So the theory i get so far is anyone can build an Amateur
radio but they cant "repair" a CB radio.... lol.. it is a crazy world See comments above about license not needed any more for CB repair in the US. It used to be the Amateur tests were about on par with the comercial class licenses. The main differance was just the regulatory rules and not the electrical part. That was about 1972 when I passed the 1 st class license. The way they are now anyone with a good memory can pass the tests. My wife passed the Technichan class about 1987 or 88 just by memorizing the Q&A pool. She doesn't know or care about the technical part of radio. |
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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message ink.net... Thanks for that. So the theory i get so far is anyone can build an Amateur radio but they cant "repair" a CB radio.... lol.. it is a crazy world See comments above about license not needed any more for CB repair in the US. It used to be the Amateur tests were about on par with the comercial class licenses. The main differance was just the regulatory rules and not the electrical part. That was about 1972 when I passed the 1 st class license. The way they are now anyone with a good memory can pass the tests. My wife passed the Technichan class about 1987 or 88 just by memorizing the Q&A pool. She doesn't know or care about the technical part of radio. I would guess a fair amount dont really care about the technical side or would want to build their own radio and linear. You would have to be pretty dedicated for that. I would also guess at most Amateurs are happy just talking legally with a licence and a stock bought radio and antenna. Not that theres anything wrong with that, it just depends on how serious you take the hobby. Like the M3 foundation licence. It suits a lot of people who are.. disillusioned with CB and want to go Amateur but not really wishing to get so involved with the whole technical side of things. There are some good M3 people out there whatever the old school say, but i agree they will never be on a par with a full licence holder but is that such a terrible thing. |
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I would guess a fair amount dont really care about the technical side or would want to build their own radio and linear. You would have to be pretty dedicated for that. I would also guess at most Amateurs are happy just talking legally with a licence and a stock bought radio and antenna. Not that theres anything wrong with that, it just depends on how serious you take the hobby. Like the M3 foundation licence. It suits a lot of people who are.. disillusioned with CB and want to go Amateur but not really wishing to get so involved with the whole technical side of things. There are some good M3 people out there whatever the old school say, but i agree they will never be on a par with a full licence holder but is that such a terrible thing. I don't have any problem with the ones that just want to talk. There are many good hams in public service providing communications for emergencies. I know one ham that got his license many years ago so he could fly his radio controled airplane and use 6 meters where there were few others using that frequency. I do wish that the test could be hands on for a few simple things such as installing a coax connector and and using a simple SWR meter. Also it should be required to have a ARRL handbook or equivilent in the shack. Would not even have to be a new one, but one 10 years old would be ok. Not that many would really read it but it could answer some simple questions. |
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Ralph Mowery wrote: Also it should be required to have a ARRL handbook or equivilent in the shack. Would not even have to be a new one, but one 10 years old would be ok. Not that many would really read it but it could answer some simple questions. My Handbook (not ARRL) is much older, but I wasn't aware of any change in the physics in the interim. Why choose ten years? The Admiralty handbook is still relevant - and can answer questions - even if the units have changed. You appear to be a newcomer. from Aero Spike |
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"The Magnum" wrote in message ... "PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... "The Magnum" wrote in message ... I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. I'm not sure why this thread is even being cross-posted into a CB group, but Because its a question about CB's ?????????? No, not your question, the whole thread, which was a rant about "Ham Radio". Had nothing to do with CB, except for a brief reference. |
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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message ink.net... I'm not sure why this thread is even being cross-posted into a CB group, but to answer your question, in the US, the radio must be serviced by a qualified, licensed individual. That is the "legal" way of doing it anyway. It doesn't happen very often, but that is another story for another time... Get a new rule book like one that is newer than say about 10 or so years. The CB radios in the US has not required a license to repair them in many years. The GROL is the replacement for the 1st and 2 nd class licenses that used to be required to repair many transmitters. For about 95 % of the transmitters in the US it is now worthless and not needed. Some companies may require it as they think they are getting someone that may know something. Now it is only needed for : OK, if you want to get technical, a "license" per-say is not needed, though they still need to be "certified as technically qualified to perform transmitter maintenance and repair duties in the private land mobile services and fixed services by an organization or committee representative of users in those services." - Reference FCC Part 95, Section 95.424 subsection "b". And as the question that was asked, in relation to the US: "Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind[?]" The answer to the first part of the question is still NO, and the second part is still, YES. The "average CB'er who has the knowledge" can NOT service their own CB, legally. They would need to be "certified" to do so "by an organization or committee representative of users in [the CB service]." |
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"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message ink.net... I would guess a fair amount dont really care about the technical side or would want to build their own radio and linear. You would have to be pretty dedicated for that. I would also guess at most Amateurs are happy just talking legally with a licence and a stock bought radio and antenna. Not that theres anything wrong with that, it just depends on how serious you take the hobby. Like the M3 foundation licence. It suits a lot of people who are.. disillusioned with CB and want to go Amateur but not really wishing to get so involved with the whole technical side of things. There are some good M3 people out there whatever the old school say, but i agree they will never be on a par with a full licence holder but is that such a terrible thing. I don't have any problem with the ones that just want to talk. There are many good hams in public service providing communications for emergencies. I know one ham that got his license many years ago so he could fly his radio controled airplane and use 6 meters where there were few others using that frequency. I do wish that the test could be hands on for a few simple things such as installing a coax connector and and using a simple SWR meter. Also it should be required to have a ARRL handbook or equivilent in the shack. Would not even have to be a new one, but one 10 years old would be ok. Not that many would really read it but it could answer some simple questions. I quite agree. I also personally think to obtain a CB licence (UK im talking here) there should be a small test.. nothing complicated, just wiring on a PL259 correctly and how to use a SWR meter (as you say for Amateur too). Thats two basic things ive seen either ignored or very badly done.. ie. someone twisting the inner and outer of the co-ax together and shoving it through the hole in the PL.... then they wonder why the radio they just bought off you wont get out.... or someone say..swred an antenna?? whats that then?? sheesh.. Exceedingly unlikely now as to all intents and purposes the CB band isnt of interest to the authorities that be. Oh well............... |
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"PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... "The Magnum" wrote in message ... "PowerHouse Communications" wrote in message ... "The Magnum" wrote in message ... I wonder where the law stands as far as CB radio's go. Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind. I ask along the lines of the UK but would find the answer for America just as interesting. I'm not sure why this thread is even being cross-posted into a CB group, but Because its a question about CB's ?????????? No, not your question, the whole thread, which was a rant about "Ham Radio". Had nothing to do with CB, except for a brief reference. Oh right.... mind you theres that much Ham stuff on the website is it a problem? I just read it with some interest and ask points that i think might be relevent. Theres more stuff about liars and army service on this group though for some reason. That i dont get. Regards, Graham |
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"Spike" wrote in message ... Ralph Mowery wrote: Also it should be required to have a ARRL handbook or equivilent in the shack. Would not even have to be a new one, but one 10 years old would be ok. Not that many would really read it but it could answer some simple questions. My Handbook (not ARRL) is much older, but I wasn't aware of any change in the physics in the interim. Why choose ten years? The Admiralty handbook is still relevant - and can answer questions - even if the units have changed. You appear to be a newcomer. from Aero Spike The 10 year number for the book was just one out of the air. Older would have been just fine. My first ARRL hand book was bought in 1966. I did not get a ham license untuil about 1972. Had a 1 st class radiotelephone license around the same time. I have only used RTTY with an old mechanical unit, been keeping up a repeater for close to 30 years, I did write a rtty program for an old 8080 processor when I got tired of hearing the noise, used a few of the newer digital modes with the computer, worked a few of the OSCARs, active on 144 and 432 ssb. I do work some of the low bands also. Guess that still makes me a newcomer to many. |
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Ralph Mowery wrote: "Spike" wrote: My Handbook (not ARRL) is much older, but I wasn't aware of any change in the physics in the interim. Why choose ten years? The Admiralty handbook is still relevant - and can answer questions - even if the units have changed. You appear to be a newcomer. The 10 year number for the book was just one out of the air. The problem with that is it essentially means that every now and then, in order to keep within the licence terms, one has to purchase a book. Here in the UK we have problems with an organisation that has put itself in the position of 'representing all UK amateurs', and which sells books. It clearly does not do the former, and merely to add to its coffers as part of the licencing conditions is a battle which it has recently fought and looks like losing heavily. Older would have been just fine. My first ARRL hand book was bought in 1966. Then why specify a time limit? Or even to have such a book in the first place? I did not get a ham license untuil about 1972. Had a 1 st class radiotelephone license around the same time. I have only used RTTY with an old mechanical unit, been keeping up a repeater for close to 30 years, I did write a rtty program for an old 8080 processor when I got tired of hearing the noise, used a few of the newer digital modes with the computer, worked a few of the OSCARs, active on 144 and 432 ssb. I do work some of the low bands also. Guess that still makes me a newcomer to many. There is nothing wrong with your Amateur CV. The issue - at least for us in the UK - is the grasping self-interest of the 'national society', which has been so clearly revealed by recent events, and to which your proposal would add succour; that was really the point of my post. from Aero Spike |
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How come all the self-proclaimed "real amateurs" huffing and puffing on
this thread sign their postings only with a "handle" and not a call sign? Are they really amateurs at all? Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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OK, if you want to get technical, a "license" per-say is not needed, though they still need to be "certified as technically qualified to perform transmitter maintenance and repair duties in the private land mobile services and fixed services by an organization or committee representative of users in those services." - Reference FCC Part 95, Section 95.424 subsection "b". And as the question that was asked, in relation to the US: "Are CB's allowed to be repaired by the average CB'er who has the knowledge or are they only repairable by a qualified technician of some kind[?]" The answer to the first part of the question is still NO, and the second part is still, YES. The "average CB'er who has the knowledge" can NOT service their own CB, legally. They would need to be "certified" to do so "by an organization or committee representative of users in [the CB service]." Don't leave out the word "should". It does not say MUST. |
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There are two extremely legitimate reason for using a nym on the net,
even if one is a ham: privacy and safety. Need I say more? |
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But there is no such thing as true UK cuisine, it is all bangers and
wellingtons and steak and kidney pie washed down with lots and lots and lots of Guiness. But enough about Brits, who are otherwise creators of fine cars, time traveler shows, absurdist sitcoms, and who invented the art of sarcasm. The Eternal Squire |
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wrote in message oups.com... But there is no such thing as true UK cuisine, it is all bangers and wellingtons and steak and kidney pie washed down with lots and lots and lots of Guiness. But enough about Brits, who are otherwise creators of fine cars, time traveler shows, absurdist sitcoms, and who invented the art of sarcasm. The Eternal Squire I thought Guinness was the drink of the Irish... I personally cant stand the stuff, surely its a "nice cup of tea"... Steak and Kidney is Rank...Much better mince beef and onion, or chicken and mushroom where it comes to pies... As for fine cars?? that surely is sarcasm ;o) .... "you have learned well young Jedi"... Regards, Graham |
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wrote in message ... On 10 Nov 2005 23:37:52 -0800, wrote: But there is no such thing as true UK cuisine, it is all bangers and wellingtons and steak and kidney pie washed down with lots and lots and lots of Guiness. But the beer - Guinness or otherwise - must be warm. Any vegetables must be boiled long enough for whatever taste/texture they originally had, to be completely lost - including the salads - and the meat must be so messed about with that you can't tell if it was steak or kidney. Nick - Who actually likes the people living that side of the pond. Messed about with?? normally they come in chunks of pure cut steak but the kidney... uuurgh.. hate it in any shape or form. If your speaking from experience you must have visited some really dodgy restaurants while you were over here. As far as salads go.. they arent cooked they are simply washed and put on the plate. Fancy boiling a salad.. lol... Graham... who also likes "most" Americans ;o) |
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On Thu, 10 Nov 2005 02:09:01 -0800, Roy Lewallen
wrote: Shame and embarrassment are two others. Roy Lewallen, W7EL You got in one Rod :-) Peter, G3PHO |
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This reminds me of a funny story:
Once upon a time there was a retired amateur going on a DX-pedition to the South Seas in the spring of '78 who set up his equipment and started operating... unfortunately a terrorist group decided he was an worthwhile target and overran his station. Last thing we heard on SSB was W4garble calling Mayday, Mayday, Mayday! hiss static. A few weeks later a forensics team found nothing but charred wood and bones. The leader of the team reported back to the coroner: "Looks like an old southern ham got roasted at Easter". The Eternal Squire |
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oups.com... But there is no such thing as true UK cuisine, it is all bangers and wellingtons and steak and kidney pie washed down with lots and lots and lots of Guiness. But enough about Brits, who are otherwise creators of fine cars, time traveler shows, absurdist sitcoms, and who invented the art of sarcasm. The Eternal Squire Don't forget they invented the Lucas electrical system (I owned an MGB) and whitworth tools (I also currently own a pre-unit Triumph).LOL |
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... On 10 Nov 2005 23:37:52 -0800, wrote: But there is no such thing as true UK cuisine, it is all bangers and wellingtons and steak and kidney pie washed down with lots and lots and lots of Guiness. But the beer - Guinness or otherwise - must be warm. Any vegetables must be boiled long enough for whatever taste/texture they originally had, to be completely lost - including the salads - and the meat must be so messed about with that you can't tell if it was steak or kidney. Nick - Who actually likes the people living that side of the pond. Warm beer sucks, but throughout history that is the way it has always been consumed. I like the people living on that side of the pond. Have they done something personal to you that you hate an entire country? |
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Andre Craddock, M0SWB, proves that he continues to
be an INCURABLE CBER through the medium of his Childish Broadcast (CB)..... Infantile and abusive......is there any difference between an M0 callsign and one of those issued under the gangrenous degeneration that is the M3/CB Fools' Licence scheme? Seemingly not. Krusty wrote: "Polymath" wrote in message oups.com... What is Ham Radio? snip Ahh, I can almost smelll the meths from here....looks like he chose another fine vintage from Wilko's finest.... |
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I don't know what a "real amateur" is and I, for one, have never
claimed to be such. However, after a number of years of contributing to Usenet under my own name and callsign, my family was subjected to malicious and threatening letters sent by Stephen G Bryan G0SGB in 1998, a matter for which the plods were involved. His criminal activities followed on from an abusive, insulting, infantile and obsessive tirade by him in this NG, seemingly because he was intolerant of those who disagreed with his CBers' activity of WABbing. Such threatening behaviour drives one underground, and also serves to illustrate, perhaps, the difference between a _REAL_ Radio Ham and a CBer-Masquerading-As-A-Radio-Ham? Roy Lewallen wrote: How come all the self-proclaimed "real amateurs" huffing and puffing on this thread sign their postings only with a "handle" and not a call sign? Are they really amateurs at all? Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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I don't have a problem with shame or embarrassment, I'm quite shameless
and I'm only embarrassed while during my carrier detector diode into a heat emitting diode :) But seriously, I think it a very bad idea for the FCC to continue to publish names and addresses of licensed hams. Especially if a predator ham develops a taste for minors. That, by the way, is now one good reason to ban minors from having ham licenses... for thier own safety. Sorry kids. The Eternal Squire |
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