what's up with eham?
 

Highland Ham wrote:
I am not a supporter of BPL .......full stop.
Apart from that , in the UK (A)DSL is widely available ,so BPL (or PLC)
is not an issue eg a threat to Amateur Radio in this part of the world.

The same in the United States. Due to the overspending on infrastructure
without demand in late 1990's there is plenty of "dark" (unused) fibre.

However there is BPL and BPL.
Most of us on this NG know that ARRL is fighting against the
introduction of 'certain BPL systems' which pollute the HF and up
spectrum ,but NOT BPL in principle.

The problem with the system Google funded is that they do polute spectrum,
just not ham radio spectrum (for now). Therefore the studies the ARRL has
done which inlcudes going there and driving around show there is no problem.

If you think of Google's BPL as the electromagnetic equivalent of toxic
waste dumping, the ARRL is more like the AAA (or AA in the U.K.) than
Greenpeace. As long as they dump "off road", there is little they can
do.

It is interesting that in this case, Ed Hare, W1RFI, the ARRL's BPL expert
has tried to interest U.S. radio user's groups besides the ARRL and no
one was interested in his data. AFIK the only country where anyone has
complained about the effect of BPL on commercial traffic was Austrailia.

The problem is that the notching out of ham bands is something that can easily
be undone. It may even be as simple as the operator of a system entering
filter parameters into a control computer. In fact it would have to be, or
they could not react to complaints.

That means there is nothing to stop a system operator, once they are established
from using the ham bands.

On the ARRL premises Motorola have installed a BPL system that according
to ARRL does not pollute the spectrum .

I don't know much about it. I've read claims as such, that there is NO RF
polution by the Motorola system, but have seen no hard data. If it does or
not, the Google supported system does pollute, they just make sure that
no one with an organized voice are the targets of their polution.

So when addressing Google's support for BPL , it seems only sensible to
adopt a more balanced opinion .
Google is an effective search engine ,that's why I use it. There is no
other reason.

There are lots of effective search engines. Google has been terrible for a long
time. When Google first started, you could put in a subject and get a
hit on the first page for THE web site as opposed to it now being on the
fourth or fifth page.

Geoff.


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what's up with eham?
 

Caveat Lector wrote:


Eham has been a valuable resource for hams. With the high cost of running a
Mega Site such as eham, I suggest we support the site, otherwise it may go
away.

Good Riddance to eHam.
An unsuspecting ham posted the following on an email reflector.

Folks,



I wrote a short piece about the 'K2 versus all them big new rigs'

several weeks ago, but I guess it isn't going to make it where anyone

can read it on the front page or subsequent pages on eHam.



Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled

vendor feathers? :-)



In any event, you can view and comment on it he



http://www.eham.net/articles/8800



AB7RG of Eham took affront, and posted the following:

Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that

depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled

vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it.

Especially when:



http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers



Look seven down, that says it all...



Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then

if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately

and I will be more than happy to let you know

approximately if/when your article will be posted on

eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many

at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I

would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if

you had just been patient.



Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a

little respect and I will happily return it.



Now that would not be so bad, although he also removed the mentioned article
from eHam in a fit of pique, and engaged in a bit of email harassment.

Folks,



There is nothing spooky or scary going on here.



I submitted an article on July 12 for publication on eHam. If you know

anything about that process it takes time and you also get an

auto-generated response telling you that your article "may" or "may not"

be selected for front page publication.



Given that it has been three weeks, and that other, more recent articles

have been published I just *assumed* that mine was not selected for

publication. They receive a lot of submissions and that wouldn't have

been unusual. So this morning, I sent the link to this list so that even

though the story didn't make the front page, other Elecrafter's could

read it. In my posting, I included the URL and this one comment:



"Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled

vendor feathers? :-)"



I thought that the little smiley guy :-) conveyed that I was joking and

I wasn't actually implying that eHam was doing anything devious in

choosing not to publish the article.



However, the Articles Manager had a much different take on the matter

and proceeded to send me several emails that asked for my "respect" and

my "courtesy" or that article would be pulled. I told him deleting the

article would be fine with me and he has done that. There were several

other messages between us where he sent me the dictionary definition of

the word "libel" and such, and ended it all by saying that I was banned

from posting articles on eHam until I learn to be more courteous, and

that he was deleting any follow-up messages from me, etc.



Obviously I'm not thrilled by all this, and his public posting to this

list was an obvious attempt to "set me straight" in front of a public

audience. I wouldn't have replied at all but I started receiving emails

from this list asking why the link on eHam couldn't be reached and what

all this was about.



I would REALLY appreciate if this could end now. I have always hated OT

posts and long, meandering threads that have no value, and this one

certainly has none at this point.



I apologize to the list for the messages it has already spawned, and

hope that you will take my plea to heart and NOT FOLLOW THIS UP.



Thanks and see you all on the bands!

I also emailed AB7RG, and received a nasty email telling me I 'was not very
smart' and reminding me of how he had to “throw me off” the Argonaut V
reflector. He certainly did. I DARED to suggest that the ArgoV was not up to the
performance of the Elecraft K2.



Then, he “modified” my profile on Eham.net, adding “and making trouble on
eham.net” to my hobbies. When I saw this, I added under “Things I want to do”
that one would NOT be contributing to eHam, when they dared to modify my
profile. Now I see my profile has been totally deleted, and my email address
changed to ,” to insure I can not re-enter it.



UPDATE

Now the arrogant, childish a**hole has fixed it so I can't edit my “Profile”
nor can I post on any of the Forums. It is really sad that he has to do this to
feel like a “big shot.” I guess his “significant other” must have laughed at the
size of his......antenna.

what's up with eham?
 

On Fri, 26 May 2006 11:04:51 -0400, "John L. Sielke"
wrote:

Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what?

Caveat Lector wrote:


Eham has been a valuable resource for hams. With the high cost of running a
Mega Site such as eham, I suggest we support the site, otherwise it may go
away.

Good Riddance to eHam.
An unsuspecting ham posted the following on an email reflector.

Folks,



I wrote a short piece about the 'K2 versus all them big new rigs'

several weeks ago, but I guess it isn't going to make it where anyone

can read it on the front page or subsequent pages on eHam.



Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled

vendor feathers? :-)



In any event, you can view and comment on it he



http://www.eham.net/articles/8800



AB7RG of Eham took affront, and posted the following:

Actually, it was this comment, "Perhaps sites that

depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled

vendor feathers?" -- that is what really did it.

Especially when:



http://www.eham.net/about/showadvertisers



Look seven down, that says it all...



Next time get your facts straight first, Jeff. Then

if you have a question or concern e-mail me privately

and I will be more than happy to let you know

approximately if/when your article will be posted on

eHam's homepage. Like I said, I can only run so many

at a time, and we receive TONS of submissions. And I

would have glady ran yours in just a few more days if

you had just been patient.



Bottom line: You show me some common courtesy and a

little respect and I will happily return it.



Now that would not be so bad, although he also removed the mentioned article
from eHam in a fit of pique, and engaged in a bit of email harassment.

Folks,



There is nothing spooky or scary going on here.



I submitted an article on July 12 for publication on eHam. If you know

anything about that process it takes time and you also get an

auto-generated response telling you that your article "may" or "may not"

be selected for front page publication.



Given that it has been three weeks, and that other, more recent articles

have been published I just *assumed* that mine was not selected for

publication. They receive a lot of submissions and that wouldn't have

been unusual. So this morning, I sent the link to this list so that even

though the story didn't make the front page, other Elecrafter's could

read it. In my posting, I included the URL and this one comment:



"Perhaps sites that depend on advertising revenue don't like ruffled

vendor feathers? :-)"



I thought that the little smiley guy :-) conveyed that I was joking and

I wasn't actually implying that eHam was doing anything devious in

choosing not to publish the article.



However, the Articles Manager had a much different take on the matter

and proceeded to send me several emails that asked for my "respect" and

my "courtesy" or that article would be pulled. I told him deleting the

article would be fine with me and he has done that. There were several

other messages between us where he sent me the dictionary definition of

the word "libel" and such, and ended it all by saying that I was banned

from posting articles on eHam until I learn to be more courteous, and

that he was deleting any follow-up messages from me, etc.



Obviously I'm not thrilled by all this, and his public posting to this

list was an obvious attempt to "set me straight" in front of a public

audience. I wouldn't have replied at all but I started receiving emails

from this list asking why the link on eHam couldn't be reached and what

all this was about.



I would REALLY appreciate if this could end now. I have always hated OT

posts and long, meandering threads that have no value, and this one

certainly has none at this point.



I apologize to the list for the messages it has already spawned, and

hope that you will take my plea to heart and NOT FOLLOW THIS UP.



Thanks and see you all on the bands!

I also emailed AB7RG, and received a nasty email telling me I 'was not very
smart' and reminding me of how he had to “throw me off” the Argonaut V
reflector. He certainly did. I DARED to suggest that the ArgoV was not up to the
performance of the Elecraft K2.



Then, he “modified” my profile on Eham.net, adding “and making trouble on
eham.net” to my hobbies. When I saw this, I added under “Things I want to do”
that one would NOT be contributing to eHam, when they dared to modify my
profile. Now I see my profile has been totally deleted, and my email address
changed to ,” to insure I can not re-enter it.



UPDATE

Now the arrogant, childish a**hole has fixed it so I can't edit my “Profile”
nor can I post on any of the Forums. It is really sad that he has to do this to
feel like a “big shot.” I guess his “significant other” must have laughed at the
size of his......antenna.

what's up with eham?
 

On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:

Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what?

Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+
lines for one single line of reply!

nb

what's up with eham?
 

On Fri, 26 May 2006 17:55:12 -0500, notbob wrote:

On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:

Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what?

Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+
lines for one single line of reply!

Kiss my ass.

That succinct enough for you?

what's up with eham?
 

On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:

Kiss my ass.

Must be a circus act.

nb

what's up with eham?
 

Wes Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 17:55:12 -0500, notbob wrote:

On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:

Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what?

Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+
lines for one single line of reply!

Kiss my ass.

That succinct enough for you?

Good enough to get you in my killfile. Ah, the sigmonster has a truly
uncanny ability to choose an appropriate sigfile. This one must have
been chosen with you in mind.

--
About a deceased operator:
I'm still more than a bit surprised that he was able to operate
the weapon in such a fashion that it would fire. This is grossly
inconsistent with _my_ experience of his abilities.

what's up with eham?
 

Wes Stewart wrote:
On Fri, 26 May 2006 17:55:12 -0500, notbob wrote:


On 2006-05-26, Wes Stewart wrote:


Could someone actually quote this so I can understand who said what?

Could you actually learn Usenet etiquette rather than re-posting 200+
lines for one single line of reply!


Kiss my ass.

That succinct enough for you?


My sentiments, exactly.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

what's up with eham?
 

Paying your electric bill adds money to the BPL bunch.

We must all withhold our electric bill payments until BPL is defeated.



--
=========================================
Radio Amateurs - Fill your junk box, from my junkbox!
http://www.hamradparts.com
73 de KB9BVN
=========================================


"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
Caveat Lector wrote:
The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh

You miss the point.

ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense
to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in
BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google
stock supports BPL.

Got it? Google and BPL are connected.

As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your
choice".
A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online
"click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to
support
him.

IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds
from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/

what's up with eham?
 

"Brian Murrey" wrote in message
.net...
Paying your electric bill adds money to the BPL bunch.

We must all withhold our electric bill payments until BPL is defeated.

Oh thats the perfect squelch - one of those "Why Didn't I think Of That"
Kudos from -- Caveat Lector

If you want to know what Hams really think of e-ham - go to URL:
http://www.eham.net/articles/13951

A dozen pages of "Welcome Back"

=========================================
Radio Amateurs - Fill your junk box, from my junkbox!
http://www.hamradparts.com
73 de KB9BVN
=========================================


"Geoffrey S. Mendelson" wrote in message
...
Caveat Lector wrote:
The BPL ads -- maybe run your own Anti-BPL ad Huh

You miss the point.

ALL Google ads are BPL adds. Google uses the money they get from Adsense
to finance BPL networks. That's right, Google invested a lot of money in
BPL. Using Adsense supports BPL, using Google supports BPL, buying Google
stock supports BPL.

Got it? Google and BPL are connected.

As for supporting those sites, "you pays your money and you makes your
choice".
A click on a Google Adsense ad helps pay for BPL. There are other online
"click here" advertising companies. He chose Google. I chose not to
support
him.

IMHO it's like running a pro-enviornmentweb site and using the proceeds
from advertising to fund toxic waste dumping.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, Jerusalem, Israel N3OWJ/4X1GM
IL Voice: (07)-7424-1667 IL Fax: 972-2-648-1443 U.S. Voice:
1-215-821-1838
Visit my 'blog at http://geoffstechno.livejournal.com/