In article ,
Tom Horne wrote:

We would like to be able to use 50, 144, 220, and 440 MHz
radios at any position and we would prefer not to have to resort to diplex
ers and separate antennas on the roof if it can be avoided.

Tom-

Phil and CRN have good suggestions that directly address your needs.

Another approach for common local frequencies, is to have a single base
station for each frequency, with a remote control at each position.
This allows the base station to be located (in a separate equipment
room?) closer to the antenna to minimize feed line loss. All it takes
is telephone wires to connect between the base stations and remotes.
Each remote could have a switch to select base stations.

Fred
K4DII

On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:59:38 EST, Fred McKenzie wrote:

Another approach for common local frequencies, is to have a single base
station for each frequency, with a remote control at each position.
This allows the base station to be located (in a separate equipment
room?) closer to the antenna to minimize feed line loss. All it takes
is telephone wires to connect between the base stations and remotes.
Each remote could have a switch to select base stations.

At one time one of our clients' RACES installations contemplated
putting an ICOM ham transceiver up near the antennas in the equipment
room (attic) and using the detachable head in the EOC. The head was
designed to be "remotely" located in a vehicle via a CAT5-type cable.
ICOM said that they had tested it for 50 feet. We were going to test
it on the bench for 250 feet using a spool of CAT5 (no need to unroll
the whole length) but the client ran out of money for that project and
we never got to do it.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane

From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest
Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 12:23:44 PM UTC-5, Phil Kane wrote:
On Mon, 30 Dec 2013 20:59:38 EST, Fred McKenzie wrote:



Another approach for common local frequencies, is to have a single base

station for each frequency, with a remote control at each position.

This allows the base station to be located (in a separate equipment
room?) closer to the antenna to minimize feed line loss. All it takes

is telephone wires to connect between the base stations and remotes.

Each remote could have a switch to select base stations.



At one time one of our clients' RACES installations contemplated putting
an ICOM ham transceiver up near the antennas in the equipment room (attic)
and using the detachable head in the EOC. The head was designed to be "rem
otely" located in a vehicle via a CAT5-type cable.

ICOM said that they had tested it for 50 feet. We were going to test it
on the bench for 250 feet using a spool of CAT5 (no need to unroll the whol
e length) but the client ran out of money for that project and we never got
to do it.

73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane



From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest

Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon

Phil

We are now looking at the equipment available that allows one to control co
mpatible radios over any Ethernet cable. Since an Ethernet Cable can be up
to One Hundred Meters long without needing amplifiers that would allow us
to have any of the compatible separate control head radios up to 328 wire f
eet end to end. That is more than enough length to allow the radios to be l
ocated at the roof line of the facilities we have to operate in and still h
ave the operating positions located at an appropriate location that is conv
eniently accessible to served agency staff.

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Tom Horne W3TDH

On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:59:38 PM UTC-5, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,

Tom Horne wrote:



We would like to be able to use 50, 144, 220, and 440 MHz radios at any
position and we would prefer not to have to resort to diplexers and separat
e antennas on the roof if it can be avoided.

Tom-



Phil and CRN have good suggestions that directly address your needs.

Another approach for common local frequencies, is to have a single base s
tation for each frequency, with a remote control at each position.

This allows the base station to be located (in a separate equipment room?
) closer to the antenna to minimize feed line loss. All it takes is teleph
one wires to connect between the base stations and remotes. Each remote co
uld have a switch to select base stations.

Fred K4DII

Fred

I take it that would involve using only identical radios so as to be able t
o use any control head with any radio.

--
Tom Horne W3TDH

In article ,
Tom Horne wrote:

On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:59:38 PM UTC-5, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,

Tom Horne wrote:



We would like to be able to use 50, 144, 220, and 440 MHz radios at any
position and we would prefer not to have to resort to diplexers and separat
e antennas on the roof if it can be avoided.

Tom-



Phil and CRN have good suggestions that directly address your needs.

Another approach for common local frequencies, is to have a single base s
tation for each frequency, with a remote control at each position.

This allows the base station to be located (in a separate equipment room?
) closer to the antenna to minimize feed line loss. All it takes is teleph
one wires to connect between the base stations and remotes. Each remote co
uld have a switch to select base stations.

Fred K4DII

Fred

I take it that would involve using only identical radios so as to be able t
o use any control head with any radio.

Tom-

That may also work with same-family radios on different bands. But
someone with more experience than I, might design a universal remote
that could be adapted to several different model radios.

One approach would be to develop a standard interface consisting of
transmit and receive audio pairs operating at line level, plus a keying
pair. To reduce the number of wire pairs, you could use split-winding
transformers to accomplish DC keying on the transmit audio pair.

Fred

For single frequency use without all the bells and whistles,
I use CPI tone remote units.
http://www.cpicomm.com/
Reasonably priced on eBay.


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Jeff-1.0
wa6fwi
http://www.foxsmercantile.com

I do not believe that 222 MHz is a harmonic of 2 meter or 70 cm - hence the only antenna that I am aware of that will do all would be a custom built J Pole antenna with a radiator for 220 MHz...

The J-pole would require a ground plane - as does all vertical antenna's, and it would have 0 gain...

On 12/30/2013 8:59 PM, Fred McKenzie wrote:
In article ,
Tom Horne wrote:

We would like to be able to use 50, 144, 220, and 440 MHz
radios at any position and we would prefer not to have to resort to diplex
ers and separate antennas on the roof if it can be avoided.

Tom-

Phil and CRN have good suggestions that directly address your needs.

Another approach for common local frequencies, is to have a single base
station for each frequency, with a remote control at each position.
This allows the base station to be located (in a separate equipment
room?) closer to the antenna to minimize feed line loss. All it takes
is telephone wires to connect between the base stations and remotes.
Each remote could have a switch to select base stations.

Fred
K4DII


Fred,

This isn't a good idea for several reasons (as have been explained to
Tom by others and myself several times via email). The main one being
lack of backup. When you have a radio remoted like this, if the radio
or control head (or even the connecting cable) fails, you are in
trouble. Often times the equipment room is not readily available,
especially if there are other radios nearby. And even if the radio is
available, you can generally only replace it with the same make (and
often model) of radio. That would be great if everyone used the same
radio. But they don't. And in an emergency, the number one
consideration is reliability. And since these radios aren't used or
tested regularly, chances of a failure going unnoticed are higher than
your home or mobile station.

When the radio is at the operating position operating off of 12VDC, you
can replace it with generally any mobile radio. And if the power supply
fails, you can replace it with almost any other power supply (as long as
current demands can be met in both cases, obviously).

In an EOC or similar situation, there are "necessities",
"recommendations" and "nice to haves". Reliability is at the top of
"necessities". IMHO, "being able to operate any radio from any
position" is at the bottom of "nice to have". Sure, it would be nice -
but would it actually be used? And what are you giving up to get it?


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