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Morsemanship and other things
From: on Tues, Oct 10 2006 3:40 am
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: From: Dave Heil on Sun, Oct 8 2006 3:22 am wrote: Len never attended a Roman Catholic parochial school. Was never taught by nuns or smacked around by them. Was the parochial school *required*...like morse code ability *required* to transmit on HF? :-) Lutherans don't go to parochial schools, Jimmie. :-) Jimmie ever nail some theses to church doors? :-) Jimmie NEVER served in any military, not even as chaplain. Not even as Charlie Chaplin. Poor Jimmie can't stand the mental picture his own mind generated. :-) Why not, poor baby. I've pointed out that your post wasn't funny and wasn't worthy of an adult male. Wasn't worthy of a grade schooler. True, it IS worthy of grown-up sarcasm tossed at smug, arrogant, self-defined amateur extra morsemen gods of radio. :-) First Rule of Comedy: The audience determines what's funny. If the audience doesn't think it's funny, it's not funny. Jimmie is "expert" in show business?!? Jimmie can come out west and tell Mitzi Shore how to run her Comedy Store Club. :-) When Jimmie be on Letterman's show? (all should know so they can tune in to Leno instead...) Jimmie have SAG card? SEG card? AFTRA card? Len thinks he is either the Pope or royalty. Neither. :-) I am for DEMOCRACY...all to be heard on subjects. Such will end soon as "moderation" begins in here. He's all about "rank, status, and privilege". YES! TO the smug, arrogant, self-defined gots of radio, better known as the amateur extra morsemen. Poor amateur extra morsemen have no sense of humor about their own selves and their life work. Tsk. First Rule of Comedy invoked. ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked. Morsemanship makes you superhuman. Well, since Len won't describe what "morsemanship" is, here's a working definition: NOT the correct "definition." I coined the word. YOU don't get to mint copies (knockoffs). You can try, but it will be in ERROR as your usual failure to recognize that others don't think like you do. A MORSEMAN lives, breathes, eats morse code as the main topic of his/her life. A MORSEMAN wants to freeze time back in the 1930s when code was king of small station communications. A typical MORSEMAN has the callsign K4YZ, N2EY, or K8MN but those are otherwise indistinguishable from one another. Anonymous MORSEMEN are represented by "Slow Code" and his general angry attitude towards anyone not worshipping him. As always to you, ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked. |
Some Computer History - Military & Otherwise
From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 3:44am
wrote: From: on Mon, Oct 9 2006 6:20 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Oct 8 2006 5:29 am wrote: From: on Sat, Oct 7 2006 6:39 am Try as hard as I can, I can't find ANY relatively modern computer that needs 6SN7s (a dual triode, octal base), not even 12AU7s. You didn't look very hard: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,10...1/article.html ERROR on "correction," Yes, *you* made an error, Len. That's a 2002 ad-promo, four years OLD. You wrote: "I can't find ANY relatively modern computer that needs 6SN7s (a dual triode, octal base), not even 12AU7s." 2002 is certainly "relatively modern" compared to 1946. You made a mistake, Len. Only under Jimmie's whiny little REdefinition of the word "mistake." :-) The original IBM PC that debuted in 1980 (26 years ago) did NOT have any vacuum tubes in it. Neither did any subsequent IBM PC...right on up to the total emptying of IBM's Boca Raton, FL, PC operations. Did IBM ever produce any AMATEUR RADIO products? No? Then why do you go on and on and on and on about this niche subject and the "glory" that was ENIAC? Did ENIAC ever serve AMATEUR RADIO in any way? If you look back at personal computing, you will NOT find any vacuum tubes used in them...except in your absolute world a couple of short-lived PC systems that incorporated a CRT (a vacuum tube) into the PC package. [CP/M OS systems using an 8080 or Z80 CPU] The original Apple (6502 processor based) didn't use vacuum tubes. The original Apple Macintosh packaged a CRT into the Mac's box since it brought out the icon- based GUI display that was possible only with CRTs at that time. Did ANY of the Apple computers use a vacuum tube for SOUND output? No? Look to the earlier personal computers such as the Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, etc., etc., etc. NONE had any vacuum tubes in them for SOUND output. NONE of the pocket calculators had vacuum tubes. Some of the earlier desktop calculators had GAS displays for alphanumerics; HP and Tektronix both had PCs with incorporated CRTs (in which the very earliest models had some vacuum tubes for the CRT HV supply circuits). NONE had any tubes for SOUND output. There's a niche area of guitarists who prefer tubes for the particular "warm sound" (distorted) they associate with over-driving amplifiers. That "tube sound" MYTH has been 'over-driven' to the point of nausea, about like the "gold-coated speaker cable" myth that is claimed to produce "golden sound" from music amplifiers. :-) Tube amps and gold-coated "monster cable" is a triumph of Public Relations bull**** warping the minds of the buying public. Not unlike the mythos of morse that was CREATED in earlier radio. :-) A click on the link for more data turns up blank with the small advisory of no suppliers for this item. :-) You specified "relatively modern", not "current production". 2002 is "relatively modern" compared to 1946. And that system was brand-new in 2002. That ONE system was DEFUNCT before 2005. :-) Go back to the personal computer bellweather year of 1980. Any of those personal computers on the market use vacuum tubes? No? 26 years ago is NOT "current production" nor is it hardly "relatively modern." :-) Search all you want of the HP, Dell, Compaq, the independents such as PC Club...or the big warehouse suppliers such as CDC or Frys. You won't find any with vacuum tubes in them on the market this year or the year before. So what? You specified "relatively modern", not "current production". 2002 is "relatively modern" compared to 1946. And that system was brand-new in 2002. You cannot change the criteria after the fact. Your whining, foot stamping, and crying out "mistake! mistake!" about a SINGLE exception in the millions upon millions of personal computers based on the original IBM architecture PC of 26 years ago is a lot of your bull****, Jimmie. That your SINGLE exception went DEFUNCT after a year on the market only proves that you are a whiny, foot-stamping, cryer who is bound and determined to attempt humiliation of anyone disagreeing with you. You've proved that activity for years in here. :-) BTW, what did ENIAC have to do with AMATEUR RADIO? That it was practical in its time. ENIAC did something for RADIO? [I don't think so...] What do your ramblings about non-amateur-radio subjects have to do with amateur radio, Len? "Non-amateur-radio subjects?" Like ENIAC? An early mainframe computer that was really a programmable calculator? :-) Anything at all? Oh yes. Many of those who worked on ENIAC were hams. Name them. :-) Did they become hams JUST to work on ENIAC? How was ENIAC used in RADIO? You did not work on ENIAC and have never been a ham.... I've never claimed to... :-) However, I was alive in 1946 and you were not. :-) YOU never worked on ENIAC. You've never claimed to have worked on ANY computer, main-frame, minicomputer, nor personal computer. Are you a member of the ACM? [Association for Computing Machinery, the first and still-existing professional association for computing and information technology] I was a voting member of the ACM for a few years. Jimmie is NOT a military veteran. Jimmie can never be a military veteran. Jimmie has never done anything on computers except to operate personal computers in endless tirades against no-coders. ENIAC and the amateur code test deserve a place in MUSEUMS, not the reality of life in today's world. In your *opinion*. ...yes, an OPINION shared by thousands and thousands and thousands of others. As of 2004 the US Census Bureau stated that 1 out of 5 Americans had SOME access to the Internet. That involves access via a personal computer (or its cousin, the "work- station"). That is roughly 50 to 60 MILLION Americans. The original (and only) ENIAC used an architecture that is NOT common to present-day personal computers. About the only term that IS common is that ENIAC used "digital circuits." That's about the end of it for commonality with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of personal computers in the daily use worldwide. The ONLY radio service in the USA still requiring tested morse code skill to permit operation below 30 MHz is the AMATEUR radio service. ALL of the other radio services have either dropped morse code for communications or never considered it when that radio service was formed. There is NO wired or wireless communications service in the USA that uses manual telegraphy means today. Defunct. Kaput. Please direct any more hero worship of ENIAC to the ACM historian. Why deal with second handers when the real stuff is out there? "Real stuff?!?" ENIAC is a MUSEUM PIECE, Jimmie. It is NOT "real stuff" except in your mind. It serves ONLY the Moore School of Engineering as an EXHIBIT for PR purposes. It is a dinosaur. Defunct. Kaput. Did you finish reading the US Army historical monograph I linked to? No. I rank that along with some "US Army historical" things that described George Armstrong Custer as a "hero" of the June 1876 Battle of the Little Big Horn. Some "hero." A loose cannon who was LAST in his West Point class, a poor tactician who made a tragic, fatal mistake for the 7th Cavalry. Thank you, but NO, I'd rather read the NON-PR historical references that described things as the REALLY were without the orgasmic after-glow of hero worship. ENIAC never saw battle, Jimmie. It was never close to the battlefields like the Brit's Colossus nor did it "solve ciphers" (decryption) like Colossus did. The US military DOES have fielded computers (plural) and systems which ARE useable today and ARE in use. You can read about those if you wish...but you won't since none of them are directly related to ENIAC. Indeed, NONE of today's computers are related to ENIAC any more than WE are "related" to some proto-humans of Africa. btw, the "Ordnance Corps" are the nice folks who take care of things like how to do artillery barrages.... No, Jimmie Noserve, the "ordnance" folks maintain the ammunition and weaponry. The ARTILLERY folks do the actual laying-in and firing. Really. Had you ever served in the military (you didn't) you would be informed of that. In the US Army, the "line" (those who are the most involved with actual battle) units are INFANTRY, ARTILLERY, and ARMOR. All other units exist to serve them. As ever to you, the ByteBrothers famous phrase is invoked. |
Some Computer History - Military & Otherwise
wrote btw, the "Ordnance Corps" are the nice folks who take care of things like how to do artillery barrages.... Nope. The Ordnance Corps counts and stores the 'bullets' and such chores. The Artillery folks take care of pointing and shooting 'em. Sunnuvagun! boom boom de Hans, K0HB |
Some Computer History - Military & Otherwise
KØHB wrote:
wrote btw, the "Ordnance Corps" are the nice folks who take care of things like how to do artillery barrages.... Nope. The Ordnance Corps counts and stores the 'bullets' and such chores.. The Artillery folks take care of pointing and shooting 'em. But somebody has to tell them *how* and *where* to point 'em and shoot 'em, right? From what it says in "Electronic Computers Within the Ordnance Corps" Index: http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/comphist/61ordnance/index.html the computation/preparation of firing tables was the primary official reason for the design and construction of ENIAC. Did the Historical Officer at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds get it wrong? Sunnuvagun! HAW! Perfect setuo! boom boom 73 de Jim, N2EY |
Some Computer History - Military & Otherwise
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From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 3:44am wrote: From: on Mon, Oct 9 2006 6:20 pm wrote: From: on Sun, Oct 8 2006 5:29 am wrote: From: on Sat, Oct 7 2006 6:39 am Try as hard as I can, I can't find ANY relatively modern computer that needs 6SN7s (a dual triode, octal base), not even 12AU7s. You didn't look very hard: http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,10...1/article.html ERROR on "correction," Yes, *you* made an error, Len. That's a 2002 ad-promo, four years OLD. You wrote: "I can't find ANY relatively modern computer that needs 6SN7s (a dual triode, octal base), not even 12AU7s." 2002 is certainly "relatively modern" compared to 1946. You made a mistake, Len. Only under whiny little REdefinition of the word "mistake." :-) Nope. You made a mistake, pure and simple. That is, unless you deliberately wrote an untruth with the intent to deceive, in which case it was a lie. The original IBM PC that debuted in 1980 (26 years ago) did NOT have any vacuum tubes in it. The display that came with it had a CRT. The portable IBM PC, with built-in display, had a CRT as well. Neither did any subsequent IBM PC...right on up to the total emptying of IBM's Boca Raton, FL, PC operations. But you didn't ask about the "IBM PC" You wrote that you "can't find ANY relatively modern computer" with vacuum tubes. Not just IBM PCs, but "ANY relatively modern computer". Did IBM ever produce any AMATEUR RADIO products? No? Then why do you go on and on and on and on about this niche subject and the "glory" that was ENIAC? To prove a point, Len: That a thing can be practical in its time even if it is considered impractical in other times, and even if it is never repeated. That's true whether the device is ENIAC, Fessenden's early AM voice work with modulated alternators, or something completely different. I proved my point. You are now trying to misdirect, rather than admit you were flat-out wrong. Did ENIAC ever serve AMATEUR RADIO in any way? Yes. If you look back at personal computing, you will NOT find any vacuum tubes used in them...except in your absolute world a couple of short-lived PC systems that incorporated a CRT (a vacuum tube) into the PC package. [CP/M OS systems using an 8080 or Z80 CPU] The computer I referenced used a vacuum tube. The portable IBM PC used a CRT, too. The original Apple (6502 processor based) didn't use vacuum tubes. The original Apple Macintosh packaged a CRT into the Mac's box since it brought out the icon- based GUI display that was possible only with CRTs at that time. Did ANY of the Apple computers use a vacuum tube for SOUND output? No? You didn't ask about the "original Apple" You wrote that you "can't find ANY relatively modern computer" with vacuum tubes. Not just Apples, but "ANY relatively modern computer". Look to the earlier personal computers such as the Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, etc., etc., etc. NONE had any vacuum tubes in them for SOUND output. NONE of the pocket calculators had vacuum tubes. Some of the earlier desktop calculators had GAS displays for alphanumerics; HP and Tektronix both had PCs with incorporated CRTs (in which the very earliest models had some vacuum tubes for the CRT HV supply circuits). NONE had any tubes for SOUND output. Doesn't matter, Len. You could have found the link I provided with just a few keystrokes. There's a niche area of guitarists who prefer tubes for the particular "warm sound" (distorted) they associate with over-driving amplifiers. Are you a musician, Len? That "tube sound" MYTH has been 'over-driven' to the point of nausea, about like the "gold-coated speaker cable" myth that is claimed to produce "golden sound" from music amplifiers. :-) Tell it to those who actually play the things. Tube amps and gold-coated "monster cable" is a triumph of Public Relations bull**** warping the minds of the buying public. You are confusing audiophools with audiophiles. Not unlike the mythos of morse that was CREATED in earlier radio. :-) By whom? As I have shown, voice radio was practical as early was 1906, and in regular use for broadcasting by 1921. Yet Morse Code on radio was used by many radio services for many more decades after 1921. The use of Morse Code by the US Coast Guard and the maritime radio services lasted well into the 1990s. That's more than 90 years after Fessenden's voice transmissions, and more than 75 vears after 1921. Morse Code is still in wide use in Amateur Radio today - almost 100 years after Fessenden. It wasn't "mythos" that kept Morse Code in use. A click on the link for more data turns up blank with the small advisory of no suppliers for this item. :-) You specified "relatively modern", not "current production". 2002 is "relatively modern" compared to 1946. And that system was brand-new in 2002. That ONE system was DEFUNCT before 2005. :-) How do you know? Are there none in use today? Go back to the personal computer bellweather year of 1980. Why? Any of those personal computers on the market use vacuum tubes? Yes - in the CRTs. No? Are you confused? 26 years ago is NOT "current production" nor is it hardly "relatively modern." :-) 2002 is relatively modern, Len. Search all you want of the HP, Dell, Compaq, the independents such as PC Club...or the big warehouse suppliers such as CDC or Frys. You won't find any with vacuum tubes in them on the market this year or the year before. So what? You specified "relatively modern", not "current production". 2002 is "relatively modern" compared to 1946. And that system was brand-new in 2002. You cannot change the criteria after the fact. Your whining, foot stamping, and crying out "mistake! mistake!" about a SINGLE exception in the millions upon millions of personal computers based on the original IBM architecture PC of 26 years ago is a lot of your bull****, Gee, Len, you're the one carrying on like an overtired two-year-old. I'm calm, cool and collected. Not whining, foot stamping, or crying out anything. I'm just correcting your mistakes with facts. Basic Logic 101, Len: If you make an absolute statement that something never happens, does not exist, or always happens, and someone provides one or more exceptions, your statement is proved false. That's all there is to it. Doesn't matter if there is just one exception or many, the absolute statement is proved false - invalid - a mistake - if there is an exception. That your SINGLE exception went DEFUNCT after a year on the market only proves that you are a whiny, foot-stamping, cryer who is bound and determined to attempt humiliation of anyone disagreeing with you. It seems that you consider any correction of your mistakes to be a humiliation. Why is that? You've proved that activity for years in here. :-) You keep making mistakes and I keep correcting some of them. BTW, what did ENIAC have to do with AMATEUR RADIO? That it was practical in its time. ENIAC did something for RADIO? [I don't think so...] Actually, it did. What do your ramblings about non-amateur-radio subjects have to do with amateur radio, Len? "Non-amateur-radio subjects?" Yes. Like ENIAC? Like your experiences in Japan, real estate, "computer modem communications", and a host of other non-amateur-radio subjects. An early mainframe computer that was really a programmable calculator? :-) Did the Aberdeen Proving Ground Historical Officer get it wrong? "ELECTRONIC COMPUTERS WITHIN THE ORDNANCE CORPS CHAPTER II -- ENIAC The World's First Electronic Automatic Computer" http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/comphist/61ordnance/chap2.html You did not work on ENIAC and have never been a ham.... I've never claimed to... :-) However, I was alive in 1946 and you were not. :-) YOU never worked on ENIAC. You've never claimed to have worked on ANY computer, main-frame, minicomputer, nor personal computer. You are mistaken. Are you a member of the ACM? [Association for Computing Machinery, the first and still-existing professional association for computing and information technology] I was a voting member of the ACM for a few years. And now you're not? ENIAC and the amateur code test deserve a place in MUSEUMS, not the reality of life in today's world. In your *opinion*. ...yes, an OPINION shared by thousands and thousands and thousands of others. Yet when it came time to express that opinion to FCC, there were *more* who held the opinion that the Morse Code test should remain as a requirement for at least some US amateur radio licenses. Do you believe in democracy, Len? The majority of those who expressed an opinion on the Morse Code test to FCC want at least some Morse Code testing to remain. As of 2004 the US Census Bureau stated that 1 out of 5 Americans had SOME access to the Internet. That involves access via a personal computer (or its cousin, the "work- station"). That is roughly 50 to 60 MILLION Americans. Old news. Are you still tied to dialup? The original (and only) ENIAC used an architecture that is NOT common to present-day personal computers. About the only term that IS common is that ENIAC used "digital circuits." That's about the end of it for commonality with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of personal computers in the daily use worldwide. Nope. Wrong. See: The Tree of Computing: http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/comphist/61ordnance/chap7.html The ONLY radio service in the USA still requiring tested morse code skill to permit operation below 30 MHz is the AMATEUR radio service. Because the amateur radio service *uses* the mode extensively. ALL of the other radio services have either dropped morse code for communications or never considered it when that radio service was formed. So what? Amateurs use it. Why should the test for an amateur license not cover what amateurs actually do? There is NO wired or wireless communications service in the USA that uses manual telegraphy means today. Are you sure? And even if it's true - so what? That's not amateur radio. Please direct any more hero worship of ENIAC to the ACM historian. Why deal with second handers when the real stuff is out there? "Real stuff?!?" Yes - like this: "ELECTRONIC COMPUTERS WITHIN THE ORDNANCE CORPS CHAPTER II -- ENIAC The World's First Electronic Automatic Computer" http://ftp.arl.mil/~mike/comphist/61ordnance/chap2.html ENIAC is a MUSEUM PIECE, Now it is. But for almost a decade it was used by the US Army for a wide variety of calculations. And it was the root of the Tree of Computing. Didn't you read the monograph? It is NOT "real stuff" except in your mind. It's real, Len. A part of it still works, too. It serves ONLY the Moore School of Engineering as an EXHIBIT for PR purposes. It is a dinosaur. Defunct. Kaput. Part of it still works, though. Did you finish reading the US Army historical monograph I linked to? No. Then you are hiding from the truth. I rank that along with some "US Army historical" things that described George Armstrong Custer as a "hero" of the June 1876 Battle of the Little Big Horn. Some "hero." A loose cannon who was LAST in his West Point class, a poor tactician who made a tragic, fatal mistake for the 7th Cavalry. Custer had nothing to do with ENIAC. And if you didn't read the monograph, how do you know what it says? Thank you, but NO, I'd rather read the NON-PR historical references that described things as the REALLY were without the orgasmic after-glow of hero worship. I think you're afraid of reading a history that disproves your cherished opinions and biases, Len. The facts presented in the monograph are too upsetting to you for you to even read them. ENIAC never saw battle, Why should it? It was never close to the battlefields like the Brit's Colossus nor did it "solve ciphers" (decryption) like Colossus did. The US military DOES have fielded computers (plural) and systems which ARE useable today and ARE in use. You can read about those if you wish...but you won't since none of them are directly related to ENIAC. They're all directly related to ENIAC because they are its descendants. Indeed, NONE of today's computers are related to ENIAC any more than WE are "related" to some proto-humans of Africa. More than 95% of human DNA is identical to that of chimpanzees, Len. btw, the "Ordnance Corps" are the nice folks who take care of things like how to do artillery barrages.... No, the "ordnance" folks maintain the ammunition and weaponry. Then who makes up the firing tables? The ARTILLERY folks do the actual laying-in and firing. The Ordnance Corps tells them how to do that. Firing tables - remember? Really. Had you ever served in the military (you didn't) you would be informed of that. In the US Army, the "line" (those who are the most involved with actual battle) units are INFANTRY, ARTILLERY, and ARMOR. All other units exist to serve them. As ever to you, the ByteBrothers famous phrase is invoked. What phrase is that, Len? "Klaatu barada necto"? "All your base are belong to us"? "Shut the hell up, you little USMC feldwebel"? Which phrase is it? |
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Morsemanship and other things
wrote Lutherans don't go to parochial schools, Jimmie. :-) Gee, I wonder who goes to these schools...... ****copalians? http://www.faithlutheran.net/phpw/ph...e &PAGE_id=14 http://www.stpetermodesto.org/mainschool.htm http://stmarkslutheran.com/School/index.htm http://www.stpaulsfirst.org/school_index.cfm (Just a few of thousands you could Google up.) Beep beep de Hans, K0HB |
Some Computer History - Military & Otherwise
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