Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of hamradio?
 

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of hamradio?
 

Not dropped here.

Even 9 year olds can learn the code.

Barry OGrady wrote:
Not since it was dropped completly 3 years ago.

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Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of hamradio?
 

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
 

"Mark in the Dark" wrote in
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On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:58:09 -0400, Dave wrote:

Not dropped here.

Even 9 year olds can learn the code.
some can maening it is worhtless and unneeded for the rest



Eliminating CW will let in more people like 'Mark in the Dark'. That
won't be good for the rest of us if we enjoy having good intelligent
QSO's.

SC

Is the no code license letting really stupid people in to ham radio?
 

wrote in :

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:58:09 -0400, Dave wrote:

Not dropped here.

Even 9 year olds can learn the code.
some can maening it is worhtless and unneeded for the rest

Barry OGrady wrote:
Not since it was dropped completly 3 years ago.

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It let Mark in the Dark in.

SC

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of hamradio?
 

Slow Code wrote:

It didnt keep you out

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
 

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 16:28:34 -0400, Dave spake
thusly:

wrote:

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 08:58:09 -0400, Dave wrote:


Not dropped here.

Even 9 year olds can learn the code.

some can maening it is worhtless and unneeded for the rest

Barry OGrady wrote:

Not since it was dropped completly 3 years ago.


"Worthless and Unneeded"? That was NOT the question!! Learn to answer the
question! READ THE SUBJECT LINE.

No one asked whether it is useful, it absolutely is, the question is: is it
"keeping good people out of ham radio?"

NOPE!!!

Sorry, but I can say for an absolute fact that your 're wrong. It had
kept me out of ham radio and I know exactly what kind of person that I
am. And before the obligatory "lazy" word is trotted out, I have to
work for the pay cheque that buys the radio, pays the rent for the
building that the radio is in and pays for the tower that is in the
back yard. I have to work extra to pay MORE for a place where I am
allowed a tower, as opposed to less expensive digs.

Honestly, I can't believe how some pro-coders look down on no-coders
with such contempt. I was once a member of a "live steam" model
railroad club. These were larger model steam trains that ran with real
steam instead of electric power. They could be run with either propane
or coal, depending on the individual. The guys who built their
locomotives from scratch NEVER looked down on the guys who bought
theirs from a classified ad. The guys burning coal did NOT call the
propane guys "lazy". We all enjoyed a fine hobby and club meetings
were always good fun and most informative. It was great for a
mechanic, like myself, to rub shoulders with experienced retired
machinists who built these locomotives. At one of our "open houses",
which were located outdoors at the club track, my daughter took her
first steps.

Isn't ham radio supposed to be like that? Is there no camaraderie?

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
 

"Opus-" wrote in message
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Sorry, but I can say for an absolute fact that your 're wrong. It had
kept me out of ham radio and I know exactly what kind of person that I
am. And before the obligatory "lazy" word is trotted out, I have to
work for the pay cheque that buys the radio, pays the rent for the
building that the radio is in and pays for the tower that is in the
back yard. I have to work extra to pay MORE for a place where I am
allowed a tower, as opposed to less expensive digs.

Honestly, I can't believe how some pro-coders look down on no-coders
with such contempt. I was once a member of a "live steam" model
railroad club. These were larger model steam trains that ran with real
steam instead of electric power. They could be run with either propane
or coal, depending on the individual. The guys who built their
locomotives from scratch NEVER looked down on the guys who bought
theirs from a classified ad. The guys burning coal did NOT call the
propane guys "lazy". We all enjoyed a fine hobby and club meetings
were always good fun and most informative. It was great for a
mechanic, like myself, to rub shoulders with experienced retired
machinists who built these locomotives. At one of our "open houses",
which were located outdoors at the club track, my daughter took her
first steps.

Isn't ham radio supposed to be like that? Is there no camaraderie?

Yes ham radio is supposed to be camaraderie. People are supposed to help
each other. The divisiveness stems from the fact that too many no-coders
appear to want to change the requirements with no knowledge, experience, or
understanding of the requirements. In addition, most of us have experienced
people who said they could not learn code but upon questioning find that
they did not use a good training method and did not train correctly. Yet
when they decided they were tired of waiting did learn it and got their
upgrade. Then finding out how useful it was in ham pursuits were glad that
they had done it.

So far of each of the reasons that people put forth as to why they can't
learn it have been disproven by the example of other people with the same
problem having gone ahead and done it. The 5wpm level is obtainable
although some of the problem do make faster speeds a problem (constant
tinnitus may be a severe problem at 20 wpm for example). My ex-OM had 70%
hearing loss in both ears and severe tinnitus. He passed the 5wpm. I know
people with dyslexia who have passed. The blind have passed. Even the deaf
have passed using flashing lights or vibrating pads.

Do you have competitions in your model railroading activity? If you enter
that competition, you all have to follow the published rules with no
exceptions. If it is a competition for the "homebrewers", then those who
don't do so can enjoy viewing them but they cannot enter into the
competition.

Dee, N8UZE

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of hamradio?
 

Dee Flint wrote:
The divisiveness stems from the fact that too many no-coders
appear to want to change the requirements with no knowledge, experience, or
understanding of the requirements.

Speaking as a ham licensed for 50+ years, I would say a
lot of the divisiveness stems from coded hams trying to
substitute Morse code skill for technical knowledge and
intelligence.

Ham#1: "I've got a PhD in RF Engineering."

Ham#2: "Who cares, I flunked out of high school but
I can do 40 wpm at Morse code. So there!"

Eliminate the code requirement and triple the difficulty
of the technical exams. Problem solved.
--
73, Cecil http://www.w5dxp.com

Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?
 

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
t...
Dee Flint wrote:
The divisiveness stems from the fact that too many no-coders appear to
want to change the requirements with no knowledge, experience, or
understanding of the requirements.

Speaking as a ham licensed for 50+ years, I would say a
lot of the divisiveness stems from coded hams trying to
substitute Morse code skill for technical knowledge and
intelligence.

Ham#1: "I've got a PhD in RF Engineering."

Ham#2: "Who cares, I flunked out of high school but
I can do 40 wpm at Morse code. So there!"

Eliminate the code requirement and triple the difficulty
of the technical exams. Problem solved.

Nope, won't solve the problem.

The solution is to accept people as true hams that passed the exams existing
at the time they were licensed. PERIOD!!



Dee, N8UZE