What lie??

No-coders are missing a major portion of the HR experience. That is NOT a lie!
It is a fact.

Example: you can call yourself a marine two days after enlistment. But, you
become a Marine after completion of basic training! The commitment to success
through a period of trial and learning makes the Marine not the uniform.

No-coders have enlisted in the hobby. But, ...

wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:47:14 -0400, "Dee Flint"
wrote:


"Opus-" wrote in message
. ..

[snip]


Sorry, but I can say for an absolute fact that your 're wrong. It had
kept me out of ham radio and I know exactly what kind of person that I
am. And before the obligatory "lazy" word is trotted out, I have to
work for the pay cheque that buys the radio, pays the rent for the
building that the radio is in and pays for the tower that is in the
back yard. I have to work extra to pay MORE for a place where I am
allowed a tower, as opposed to less expensive digs.

Honestly, I can't believe how some pro-coders look down on no-coders
with such contempt. I was once a member of a "live steam" model
railroad club. These were larger model steam trains that ran with real
steam instead of electric power. They could be run with either propane
or coal, depending on the individual. The guys who built their
locomotives from scratch NEVER looked down on the guys who bought
theirs from a classified ad. The guys burning coal did NOT call the
propane guys "lazy". We all enjoyed a fine hobby and club meetings
were always good fun and most informative. It was great for a
mechanic, like myself, to rub shoulders with experienced retired
machinists who built these locomotives. At one of our "open houses",
which were located outdoors at the club track, my daughter took her
first steps.

Isn't ham radio supposed to be like that? Is there no camaraderie?

Yes ham radio is supposed to be camaraderie. People are supposed to help
each other. The divisiveness stems from the fact that too many no-coders
appear to want to change the requirements with no knowledge, experience, or
understanding of the requirements.

back to lying about the motives and knowledge of the NoCoders again
DEE
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

Dave wrote:
What lie??

No-coders are missing a major portion of the HR experience. That is NOT a lie!
It is a fact.

have you done EME or FS-ATV? or used ham radio ofor RC or enaged in
metor scater contacts

OTOH you are lying

all Nocode test persons don't use code is imlied by your statement.
Indeed I one of the stauchest nocoders have explored it. I am missing
nothing it is like the compliants I heard in my youth about membrane
keyboards it was said that you can't toauch type with em, well that
only apllies if you can touch type in the first place

Not Lloyd wrote:



Oh, but I do Mark.

nope you do not format them corectly you can proerply atrute your
quotes and it seesm you can even read

Not Lloyd wrote:



Try that again, Mark.
no you got it the first and you can't propely format your usenet
posting meaning you are pretty stupid

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...

Dave wrote:
What lie??

No-coders are missing a major portion of the HR experience. That is NOT a
lie!
It is a fact.

have you done EME or FS-ATV? or used ham radio ofor RC or enaged in
metor scater contacts

OTOH you are lying

all Nocode test persons don't use code is imlied by your statement.
Indeed I one of the stauchest nocoders have explored it. I am missing
nothing it is like the compliants I heard in my youth about membrane
keyboards it was said that you can't toauch type with em, well that
only apllies if you can touch type in the first place
....

Hey, Lone Ranger. I'm up on 20 meters right now. Care to join me? Oh, wait.
You can't.
You're too busy making "scater" contacts. I guess you really do talk scat.
Ho hum.

an_old_friend wrote:

Dave wrote:

What lie??

No-coders are missing a major portion of the HR experience. That is NOT a lie!
It is a fact.


have you done EME or FS-ATV? or used ham radio ofor RC or enaged in
metor scater contacts

OTOH you are lying

all Nocode test persons don't use code is imlied by your statement.
Indeed I one of the stauchest nocoders have explored it. I am missing
nothing it is like the compliants I heard in my youth about membrane
keyboards it was said that you can't toauch type with em, well that
only apllies if you can touch type in the first place



I have not experienced EME or FS-ATV or a great many other areas of
amateur radio but I have done CW. I don't do it anymore but I have
experienced it. CW is the one mode that can get through under almost any
condition. You can (I can't anyway) copy CW in the middle of a thunder
storm, using the Aurora as a reflector, using meteor ionization trails
as a reflector or just direct point to point contact to accomplish this.
Try that with FM, AM, SSB voice or digital.

The problem with this and similar threads is a number of individuals do
not feel that they need to learn CW because they don't intend to use it.

A person of "Quality" may never need the proper etiquette to greet the
Queen but you had better know how to be considered as such a person.

Dave N. WD9BDZ

wrote in message
...
On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:54:16 -0500, "Not Lloyd" anon@anon wrote:



Hey, Lone Ranger. I'm up on 20 meters right now. Care to join me? Oh, wait.
You can't.

and you just serve up proof that code keep good people out and lets
the trash in

you can't even proeprly format a USENET posting
....

Oh, but I do Mark. You can read my posts (unlike the unreadable drivel YOU
post) so apparently they are formatted properly.
Now, if only you'd get off your lazy arse and learn to spell....

Hey! Here you go!
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/add2ie.htm

This little freebie program rides right along with you, your big white
gelding, Tonto, and your email program to help you correct spelling gaffes
on the fly. Get it, use it. That is how you post "proeprly".

I'm glad I could be of assistance.

"an_old_friend" wrote in message
ups.com...
Not Lloyd wrote:



Oh, but I do Mark.

nope you do not format them corectly you can proerply atrute your
quotes and it seesm you can even read
....

Try that again, Mark. But please use English the next time. Deciphering your
posts is not unlike dealing with somebody from a third world country.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 14:23:50 -0400, Dave spake
thusly:

What lie??

It's not a lie that code has kept good people out of ham radio.

No-coders are missing a major portion of the HR experience. That is NOT a lie!
It is a fact.

It's too easy to find hams that know code, used code and hated it.

Example: you can call yourself a marine two days after enlistment. But, you
become a Marine after completion of basic training! The commitment to success
through a period of trial and learning makes the Marine not the uniform.

Poor analogy. The Marines NEED harsh training to be able to do their
difficult jobs properly as lives and the nation depend on them. The
training is not a test of commitment, it is a harsh reality.
Ham radio is just a hobby.

No-coders have enlisted in the hobby. But, ...

Did you not read my last post? It's right below. The guys who built
their own locomotives did NOT go up to the guys who bought theirs and
say "You are not a real model steam train operator!!!"

It's just a hobby.

wrote:

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 08:47:14 -0400, "Dee Flint"
wrote:


"Opus-" wrote in message
...

[snip]


Sorry, but I can say for an absolute fact that your 're wrong. It had
kept me out of ham radio and I know exactly what kind of person that I
am. And before the obligatory "lazy" word is trotted out, I have to
work for the pay cheque that buys the radio, pays the rent for the
building that the radio is in and pays for the tower that is in the
back yard. I have to work extra to pay MORE for a place where I am
allowed a tower, as opposed to less expensive digs.

Honestly, I can't believe how some pro-coders look down on no-coders
with such contempt. I was once a member of a "live steam" model
railroad club. These were larger model steam trains that ran with real
steam instead of electric power. They could be run with either propane
or coal, depending on the individual. The guys who built their
locomotives from scratch NEVER looked down on the guys who bought
theirs from a classified ad. The guys burning coal did NOT call the
propane guys "lazy". We all enjoyed a fine hobby and club meetings
were always good fun and most informative. It was great for a
mechanic, like myself, to rub shoulders with experienced retired
machinists who built these locomotives. At one of our "open houses",
which were located outdoors at the club track, my daughter took her
first steps.

Isn't ham radio supposed to be like that? Is there no camaraderie?

Yes ham radio is supposed to be camaraderie. People are supposed to help
each other. The divisiveness stems from the fact that too many no-coders
appear to want to change the requirements with no knowledge, experience, or
understanding of the requirements.

back to lying about the motives and knowledge of the NoCoders again
DEE
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

Lloyd Davies NOVFP posing as"Not Lloyd" anon@anon wrote in message
...
Hey, Lone Ranger. I'm up on 20 meters right now. Care to join me? Oh,
wait.
You can't.

You can't either, legally, lardass lloyd-tard.

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