From: on Fri, Oct 13 2006 3:44am

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From: on Mon, Oct 9 2006 6:20 pm
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From: on Sun, Oct 8 2006 5:29 am
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From: on Sat, Oct 7 2006 6:39 am

Try as hard as I can, I can't find ANY relatively modern
computer that needs 6SN7s (a dual triode, octal base),
not even 12AU7s.

You didn't look very hard:

http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,10...1/article.html

ERROR on "correction,"

Yes, *you* made an error, Len.

That's a 2002 ad-promo, four years OLD.

You wrote:

"I can't find ANY relatively modern
computer that needs 6SN7s (a dual triode, octal base),
not even 12AU7s."

2002 is certainly "relatively modern" compared to 1946.

You made a mistake, Len.

Only under Jimmie's whiny little REdefinition of the
word "mistake." :-)

The original IBM PC that debuted in 1980 (26 years ago)
did NOT have any vacuum tubes in it. Neither did any
subsequent IBM PC...right on up to the total emptying
of IBM's Boca Raton, FL, PC operations.

Did IBM ever produce any AMATEUR RADIO products?

No? Then why do you go on and on and on and on
about this niche subject and the "glory" that was
ENIAC? Did ENIAC ever serve AMATEUR RADIO in any
way?

If you look back at personal computing, you will NOT
find any vacuum tubes used in them...except in your
absolute world a couple of short-lived PC systems that
incorporated a CRT (a vacuum tube) into the PC package.
[CP/M OS systems using an 8080 or Z80 CPU]

The original Apple (6502 processor based) didn't use
vacuum tubes. The original Apple Macintosh packaged
a CRT into the Mac's box since it brought out the icon-
based GUI display that was possible only with CRTs
at that time. Did ANY of the Apple computers use a
vacuum tube for SOUND output? No?

Look to the earlier personal computers such as the
Commodore, Atari, Sinclair, etc., etc., etc. NONE had
any vacuum tubes in them for SOUND output. NONE of
the pocket calculators had vacuum tubes. Some of the
earlier desktop calculators had GAS displays for
alphanumerics; HP and Tektronix both had PCs with
incorporated CRTs (in which the very earliest models
had some vacuum tubes for the CRT HV supply circuits).
NONE had any tubes for SOUND output.

There's a niche area of guitarists who prefer tubes
for the particular "warm sound" (distorted) they
associate with over-driving amplifiers. That "tube
sound" MYTH has been 'over-driven' to the point of
nausea, about like the "gold-coated speaker cable"
myth that is claimed to produce "golden sound" from
music amplifiers. :-)

Tube amps and gold-coated "monster cable" is a
triumph of Public Relations bull**** warping the
minds of the buying public. Not unlike the mythos
of morse that was CREATED in earlier radio. :-)

A click on the link for more data turns up blank with
the small advisory of no suppliers for this item. :-)

You specified "relatively modern", not "current production".

2002 is "relatively modern" compared to 1946. And that system was
brand-new in 2002.

That ONE system was DEFUNCT before 2005. :-)

Go back to the personal computer bellweather year of
1980. Any of those personal computers on the market
use vacuum tubes? No?

26 years ago is NOT "current production" nor is it
hardly "relatively modern." :-)

Search all you want of the HP, Dell, Compaq, the
independents such as PC Club...or the big warehouse
suppliers such as CDC or Frys. You won't find any
with vacuum tubes in them on the market this year
or the year before.

So what? You specified "relatively modern", not "current production".
2002 is "relatively modern" compared to 1946. And that system was
brand-new in 2002.

You cannot change the criteria after the fact.

Your whining, foot stamping, and crying out "mistake!
mistake!" about a SINGLE exception in the millions upon
millions of personal computers based on the original
IBM architecture PC of 26 years ago is a lot of your
bull****, Jimmie. That your SINGLE exception went
DEFUNCT after a year on the market only proves that you
are a whiny, foot-stamping, cryer who is bound and
determined to attempt humiliation of anyone disagreeing
with you. You've proved that activity for years in
here. :-)


BTW, what did ENIAC have to do with AMATEUR RADIO?

That it was practical in its time.

ENIAC did something for RADIO? [I don't think so...]

What do your ramblings about non-amateur-radio subjects have to do with
amateur radio, Len?

"Non-amateur-radio subjects?" Like ENIAC? An early
mainframe computer that was really a programmable
calculator? :-)

Anything at all?

Oh yes. Many of those who worked on ENIAC were hams.

Name them. :-)

Did they become hams JUST to work on ENIAC?

How was ENIAC used in RADIO?


You did not work on ENIAC and have never been a ham....

I've never claimed to... :-)

However, I was alive in 1946 and you were not. :-)

YOU never worked on ENIAC. You've never claimed to have
worked on ANY computer, main-frame, minicomputer, nor
personal computer.

Are you a member of the ACM? [Association for Computing
Machinery, the first and still-existing professional
association for computing and information technology] I was
a voting member of the ACM for a few years.

Jimmie is NOT a military veteran. Jimmie can never be
a military veteran. Jimmie has never done anything on
computers except to operate personal computers in
endless tirades against no-coders.


ENIAC and the amateur code test deserve a place in
MUSEUMS, not the reality of life in today's world.

In your *opinion*.

...yes, an OPINION shared by thousands and thousands and
thousands of others.

As of 2004 the US Census Bureau stated that 1 out of 5
Americans had SOME access to the Internet. That involves
access via a personal computer (or its cousin, the "work-
station"). That is roughly 50 to 60 MILLION Americans.

The original (and only) ENIAC used an architecture that
is NOT common to present-day personal computers. About
the only term that IS common is that ENIAC used "digital
circuits." That's about the end of it for commonality
with MILLIONS and MILLIONS of personal computers in the
daily use worldwide.

The ONLY radio service in the USA still requiring tested
morse code skill to permit operation below 30 MHz is the
AMATEUR radio service. ALL of the other radio services
have either dropped morse code for communications or never
considered it when that radio service was formed. There is
NO wired or wireless communications service in the USA that
uses manual telegraphy means today. Defunct. Kaput.


Please direct any more hero worship of ENIAC to the
ACM historian.

Why deal with second handers when the real stuff is out there?

"Real stuff?!?" ENIAC is a MUSEUM PIECE, Jimmie. It is
NOT "real stuff" except in your mind. It serves ONLY
the Moore School of Engineering as an EXHIBIT for PR
purposes. It is a dinosaur. Defunct. Kaput.


Did you finish reading the US Army historical monograph I linked to?

No. I rank that along with some "US Army historical" things
that described George Armstrong Custer as a "hero" of the
June 1876 Battle of the Little Big Horn. Some "hero." A
loose cannon who was LAST in his West Point class, a poor
tactician who made a tragic, fatal mistake for the 7th
Cavalry. Thank you, but NO, I'd rather read the NON-PR
historical references that described things as the REALLY
were without the orgasmic after-glow of hero worship.

ENIAC never saw battle, Jimmie. It was never close to the
battlefields like the Brit's Colossus nor did it "solve
ciphers" (decryption) like Colossus did. The US military
DOES have fielded computers (plural) and systems which
ARE useable today and ARE in use. You can read about
those if you wish...but you won't since none of them are
directly related to ENIAC.

Indeed, NONE of today's computers are related to ENIAC
any more than WE are "related" to some proto-humans of
Africa.


btw, the "Ordnance Corps" are the nice folks who take care of things
like how to do artillery barrages....

No, Jimmie Noserve, the "ordnance" folks maintain the
ammunition and weaponry. The ARTILLERY folks do the
actual laying-in and firing. Really. Had you ever served
in the military (you didn't) you would be informed of that.
In the US Army, the "line" (those who are the most involved
with actual battle) units are INFANTRY, ARTILLERY, and
ARMOR. All other units exist to serve them.


As ever to you, the ByteBrothers famous phrase is invoked.