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October 16th 06, 04:12 AM
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Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: wrote: From: on Wed, Oct 11 2006 3:38 am Opus- wrote: On 5 Oct 2006 17:05:58 -0700, spake thusly: Opus- wrote: On 5 Oct 2006 04:26:28 -0700, spake thusly: Opus- wrote: But when you really listen to the way most people speak, the speed is limited by many things. There's a lot of redundancy in the way many people speak, pauses, repeats, "ums" and "ahs', and little phrases tossed in while the person thinks of what to say next. Meanwhile, the skilled Morse Code operator is using abbreviations and other shortcuts that effectively increase the speed way beyond the raw wpm. A comparison between a poor speaker and a skilled radiotelegrapher is worthy HOW? To shine up the "skilled radiotelegrapher?" [of course...] Listen to the way *most people* speak, Len. There's a lot of redundancy in the way many people speak, pauses, repeats, "ums" and "ahs', and little phrases tossed in while the person thinks of what to say next. Not mentioned are the fact that voice mode radio ops often do repeats and phonetic spellings. "My name is Mike--Mike(??????) India Kilo Echo--Mike." Of course. Also, if the transmission is something that needs to be written down, like a formal message, the effective speed drops to the writing speed of the person receiving the message. Compare a good speaker and a poor, unskilled radio- telegrapher's sending and speech becomes way, way faster. So? Most people don't speak like they're reading a script. Or consider this analogy: It's one thing to drive a car with all the modern conveniences - power steering, automatic transmission, power brakes, cruise control, climate control, etc., and doing it on a smooth straight highway. It's a different experience to drive a car without all those things, on a winding country road where the driver's skill makes a big difference. You have much experience on "winding country roads?" :-) Yes. Do you? Note that Len seems to think he is making a joke. Len does not accept the First Rule of Comedy, even though it applies to him. He seems to think that putting a smiley at the end makes something funny, even when it doesn't. [of course you do, you are an amateur extra morseman...] Lots of people who aren't radio amateurs, drive on winding country roads. Are you advocating "no-frills" personal vehicles? Why? Why not? Why not indeed? I learned to drive in a 1939 Ford, NO automatic trans- mission, NO power steering, NO power brakes, No cruise control, NO "climate control" other than the standard heater. Sounds like the car I learned to drive in. It sounds better than my first car, though mine had advanced climate control--a dashboard vent, crank windows and vent windows. The car I learned on didn't have vent windows. Training ground was an abandoned army camp, one which DID have a few "winding (dirt) roads." If you think for one minute that I would give up a nice, comfortable, well-equipped 2005 Chevy Malibu MAXX just to "rough it" for SOMEONE ELSE'S IDEA of what constitutes "good driving," you've got your head up your ass. It's not about *you*, Len. To Len, it is always about Len. And being better than anyone else. Having earned my Army driving license, I will personally challenge you to a Jeep gymkhana (Jeep circa 1940s-1960s) at everything from "smooth straight highways" through "winding country roads" on to OFF-ROAD ANYTHING. Ah, a "challenge" - one that has nothing to do with amateur radio. Why would you give up a nice, comfortable, well-equipped 2005 Chevy Malibu MAXX just to "rough it", Len? It doesn't matter, Jim. Len has thrown the gauntlet. He's out for blood. What if he got hurt doing this gymkhana thing? He seems ready to bust a gasket just posting here. What would he do if I actually bested him at it? I will WIN. Maybe. Maybe not. You don't really know, you're just bragging because you know it won't happen. You saw through the bluster? Pretty transparent. Been there, did that, got T-shirts, etc. That doesn't mean you would win. It just means that Len has some really old T-shirts. I've probably got more than he does. Mine say things like "Philadelphia Independence Marathon" and "Broad Street 10 miler" and such. That standard issue Jeep had NO amenities except for the post-1950 winch and cable over the front bumper. "Climate control" was whatever the climate was outside. The "power transmission" was a couple gear shifts operated by arm strength and experienced clutch operation. Ptui. What's your point - that you spit at Jeeps? He thought they were technologically challenged then and he still thinks so? I dunno. Len's living in the past - again. HOW MANY personal vehicles have YOU DESIGNED and BUILT? Include auto kits if you need to. What does it matter? I could tell you about the time I took two junker cars and made one good one out of them, but you'd find fault with that, somehow. But that doesn't answer the question "HOW MANY". As many as Len has, probably. HOW MANY thousands of miles have YOU driven? Gosh, Len, I don't really know. Probably more than you, though. I think I've driven more miles in the past six years than Len has logged over the past twenty. Is there a prize for miles driven? Over "winding country roads?" Enough. Three quarters of mine have been over winding and hilly country roads. Then again, I live in the country. Go figure. What's the prize? Who knows? [I don't think so unless you count the old driveway to the Doylestown Barn Cinema...] I've driven the VERY winding country road (rough surface) to a Wyoming working ranch (cattle brand registered in Wyoming is "B-1 Bomber") from/to highway. What does that have to do with anything, Len? That was a detour on a winding country road. Where's John Denver when ya need him? Now about challenges: Here's one for Len - tell me what ya think: Field Day 2007. Entry class 1B-1 (one transmitter, one operator). The challenge is to assemble, transport, set up, operate, and take down a complete FD station - singlehanded, no outside help - and make the highest score. Field Day location must not be owned or rented by the participant and must not be a licensed amateur station location. All equipment used must be legitimately owned by the operator. All FCC regulations and ARRL rules that apply to Field Day must be complied with by all involved. Results report must be submitted to ARRL before the deadline. Highest official score wins. Now of course this would mean that Len would actually have to get his license out of the box. How's that for a challenge? Perhaps the typical ages of people who prefer code could be a factor. It does tend to be considerably older people who prefer code. I disagree - for two reasons! First I have found amateurs of all ages who are interested in Morse Code. If all you have is a hammer, naturally everything looks like a nail to you... I've got a lot more tools than just a hammer. I know how to use them, too. If you're a nail, everything headed your way appears to be a hammer. Yup. I have found that young people are interested *if* Morse Code is presented correctly. Sado-masochism is still prevalent in the human condition. I think we just found out what Len is *really* all about! And yet you claim you have no problem with people using Morse Code.... But we knew from his past posts, that simply isn't true. Y'know, for somebody who claims to have such a good life, Len does an awful lot of complaining. Some say that, in the modern world, young people who grew up with cell phones and the internet aren't going to sit still for something like Morse Code - or amateur radio. And many won't. Unquantified numbers. You are waffling on your emotional reasons. "Amateur" is derived from the Latin word for "love". Means to do something for the love of the thing alone. Emotional reasons, IOW. Len is primarily motivated by those things which generate money. I am reminded of the chant from "In Living Color"... The fact is that there are plenty of young people who like Morse Code and learn it readily. I think that's one reason you want an age limit for an amateur radio license - so those code-skilled young folks can't get a license until they're 14. However, the very fact that Morse Code is unusual is a big attraction to some of them - *because* it's so different and unusual. They've seen voice comms - they all have cellphones! Typing on a keyboard and reading a screen is something they've seen since they were babies. One in three Americans has a cell phone. Census Bureau said so in a public statement in 2004. So what? The "so" is that two out of three American *don't* have a cellular phone. Who cares? It's a short-range radio transceiver that connects to the telephone network. When I was a teenager, practically everyone had a telephone. Why should anyone have a ham rig at home when they can just talk on the telephone? My dad discouraged me from talking on the phone when I was a teen. He didn't do that with amateur radio unless I was trying to operate on 15m and there was a football game on TV. HAW! Back in the late 1940s - a time well before cell phones, personal computers, with (mostly) only sound broadcasting - there was NO great "novelty" or "interest" in morse code communications. Sure there was. Ham radio was growing by leaps and bounds then. You were not part of it. Len must have missed a couple of decades. Len doesn't like having his version of history shown to be mistaken Been there, seen that, see no difference now. IOW, nobody should do what *you* don't enjoy. I'm more concerned that Len thinks that because he is ignorant of the historical facts of amateur radio in the late 1940's, everyone is ignorant. It's all about Len. But Morse Code is completely different. That's what draws many young people - just look at the acceptance of the Harry Potter books. So, write the author of the "Harry Potter" series and have her (J. K. Rowling) "introduce" morse code as "magic." :-) BWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! * M A G I C M O R S E * BWAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAAHAA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ?? It's a California thing. Maybe. More like a Lanark thing. But some things can be preserved - values, skills, culture. Even if the people and places change. Preservation of the Past is the job of MUSEUMS. Preservation of values, skills and culture is everyone's job. Len doesn't seem to think that it is his job. Nothing is Len's job unless it pays money. Why do you insist on keeping a "living museum" in amateur radio through federal license testing for morse code in only AMATEUR radio? It's not a living museum. Far from it. Radio amateurs use many modes daily. CW is one of 'em. YOU had to test for it so everyone else has to... Nope. Morse Code should be a license requirement because amateurs use it. The skill is part of being a qualified radio amateur. Simple as that. There are thousands and thousands of morse QSOs taking place on the ham bands daily. Fraternal order HAZING having NO tangible value except to amuse those ALREADY tested for code. It's not about hazing, Len. It's about being qualified. You're not qualified. There's been enough false material penned here about hazing, hoops, rituals and the like to last a lifetime. Len may use all the cellular phones, cordless phones, Family Radio Service HT's and Citizen's Band transceivers he likes. He isn't a radio amateur and likely will never become a radio amateur. All of his talk has been bluster and boast. Well, maybe. I think that Len equates being corrected with being humiliated. When he posts something that is incorrect, and someone corrects it, he feels humiliated and angry. It's even worse when the person doing the correcting is someone he considers to be inferior to him - which is almost everybody. Thus he behaves according to the profile, driven by anger and humiliation at being proved wrong. Really quite sad, when you think about it..... 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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