wrote:
wrote:
imagines he is "helpful."

I am helpful, Len.

Bull****

Dave wrote:
wrote:

SNIPPED

FLIP answer. Tnx for nothing.

well when you ask a flip question what do you expect
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


I still don't understand why you respond to a post by ONLY listing your blogspot.
I don't so I can't help you understand beyond that

What am I missing. My question was not 'flip', it was serious.
what are you missing? I realy don't know I could speculate, but I
suspect youd like that even less

But I guess you have nothing worthwhile to say except look at my ....
guess wrong again

By now I am can say you are fool or just another of the troll of the
interent but hopefully you knew that

Dave wrote:
wrote:

SNIPPED

Removing the code requirement at this late date would do little to
increase the number of hams applying for a license. At one time,
possibly 30 years ago it would have made sense to replace the code test
with one that emphasizes skills that actually have a use in the real
world. Sadly, I think that there is little that can be done to attract
younger hams into the hobby. There are just too many license-free ways
of communicating with people from around the world.


Amateur Radio is about much more than "communicating with people from around the
world".

Amateur Radio is about LEARNING !!! LEARNING some physics, learning about
sunspots, learning about antennas, learning about propagation, learning about
some electronics, learning about digital communication techniques, learning
about VHF propagation, learning about microwaves, learning about wide band tv
systems, learning about narrow band tv systems, learning about ... [you complete
the phrase].

If you just want to talk around the world, use CB. If you just want to talk
around town, use FRS. If you want to LEARN about radio become an Amateur Radio
operator [make a commitment to LEARN].


I agree - learning something about amateur radio is a requirement for
passing the test. The real question is what kinds of knowlege about
amateur radio should be required of prospective hams before giving them
a license. It would seem to me that testing a prospective ham for
knowlege of how radios operate, how to set up a station properly and
how to operate the equipment safely would be a primary concern. Next
the ham should be able to demonstrate an ability to use the equipment
to communicate in an efficient and courteous manner in a mode that is
widely used. Voice is hands down the most frequently used mode of
communication. Additionally, a knowlege of how to communicate via
radio using voice would be a big help when trying to make contact
during an emergency with professional rescue groups. Having the
prospective ham learn morse code would not provide him with a skill
that has any real world use.

wrote:
wrote:
imagines he is "helpful."

I am helpful, Len.

His concept of
"helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he
thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff.

It's what *you* want, Len. Not me.

It might be that

doesn't understand 'reality.'
He says he "lives in the ham bands."

Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote.

The rest of us
live in residences like houses or apartments.

I've got one of those.

He has
funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds
of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to
mention local tax laws.

What funny ideas?

All I did was point out that when someone wanted to *change* the zoning
in your neighborhood, you opposed that change. You wanted to keep out
anyone who did not want the kind of house you lived in. You wanted a
piece of undeveloped land to stay undeveloped, even though you did not
own it.

You wanted The Government to keep your neighborhood As It Was When You
Moved There. By force of law. Newcomers must conform to what *you*
wanted the neighborhood to be. *They* had to change, not you.

The irony is that when the land was finally developed, the resulting
houses were worth more than yours!

is off on some Hate kick.

Not me, Len. I'm not about hate.

I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy.

He just can't stand
opposition to his beloved ARRL's ideas or anyone
gasp! disagreeing with the mighty of Newington.

Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole.

Therefore he stretches even his concept of reality to
the breaking point...and broke it more than once.

What *are* you going on about, Len?

In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4
inches.

He
NEEDS to find the worst of everyone disagreeing with
him.

Do you mean that I point out your mistakes?

A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now.

Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the
US military?

1906 thinking in 2006. Ptui.

Gee, Len, your posts read like a transcript of a Two Minutes' Hate
sometimes. That is, when you're not telling people to shut up or
calling them Godwinesque nicknames.

From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am

wrote:
imagines he is "helpful."

I am helpful, Len.

Mother Superior is back in her knuckle-spank-with-ruler mode.

Bad Habit, Mother. :-)

His concept of
"helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he
thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff.

It's what *you* want, Len. Not me.

"Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-)

*NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM
for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the
FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using
any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz.

YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz
privileges MUST take that code test...because it was
always done. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight
out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook.

What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test
for below-30-MHz operating privileges? You keep on and
on and on and on and on about that...yet every other
radio service doesn't require that. Ah, but your
RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur
radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as
it has always done, keep on with federal testing for
morse code telegraphy. Virtual enslavement to the ideas
of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up
with the times and change.

The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous
'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined
bull****. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands
MUST be met by others? Ego? Delusions of god-hood?
Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL
others? Why are you against letting others choose for
themselves?


It might be that
doesn't understand 'reality.'
He says he "lives in the ham bands."

Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote.

Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well
what YOU meant.

The rest of us
live in residences like houses or apartments.

I've got one of those.

Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-)

He has
funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds
of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to
mention local tax laws.

What funny ideas?

YOURS, Mother. This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning
laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This
newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws.

YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living)
and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association,
haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but
you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every-
one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing.

Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character
Assassination of me. :-) Since it didn't work, you
MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about
the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight
against elimination of the code test. :-)

Not me, Len. I'm not about hate.

I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy.

Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding
just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-)

Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur
radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to
YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it.

"Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the
first electronic computer?" [it's not an amateur radio
subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur
radio] Are you going against a Federal Court decision
about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to
the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision.

"Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION
of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. Yet
you demand that the morse code test be required for any
radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even
though the FCC has stated at least three times in public
(beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their
licensing purposes. The FCC is the one with the NPRM
on deleting that code test. YOUR idea of "common
sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the
ARRL says. :-)

"Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with
your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair."
If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then
become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on
character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that.

"Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of
"justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test
forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have
evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all
the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had
damn well take one, too!


Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole.

You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court
decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not*
accepted as a "first?" :-)

Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio
history. There are other sources, but you keep
trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole.


In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4
inches.

Not at 731 MHz. :-)

Mother Superior, PUT DOWN THE RULER. I did correct my
typo of accidental shifting of the apostrophe key.

Okay, you have just TOSSED OUT your "accuracy" and
"fair play" in favor of manufactured Character
Assassination. You are going to DWELL on that typo
WITHOUT acknowledging my own correction.

Standard Operating Procedure for you, Mother.


Do you mean that I point out your mistakes?

That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-)

You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when
you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-)

Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory?
Give you selective amnesia? Increase your imagination?


A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now.

Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the
US military?

There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!?

Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-)

You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint
sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy"
MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey,
no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary
of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace
the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-)

Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure
you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play,
common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my
Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the
Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice,
fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two
documents which YOU will NEVER have.

Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and
accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service
even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it
for years? Yes, I'm sure it does as long as they champion
morse code testing for amateur licenses. You seem to love
and condone anyone who is against NCTAs.

Gotta love that "justice, fair play, common sense, and
accuracy" of yours, Mother. Right up there with all the
dictators of human history. You keep up the good work of
1906 thinking in the year 2006.

It's not code requirements or tests that is keeping ( and driving) good
people out of ham radio, and away from lists like these, it's
psychopaths like SC and the idiots that feed him. This WAS about real
issues, and about technology (I hit this cesspool from the antennas
list), but it is not now.
Thanks to the crap fron SC, and from the idiots that feed this Troll,
I'm leaving. On real lists, s--t pots like him are kicked out. On
usenets, the only way is to quit feeding his ego, but, unfortunately,
he is not the only idiot here.
Bye-Bill

Dave wrote in
:

wrote:

SNIPPED

Amateur Radio is about LEARNING !!! LEARNING some physics, learning
about sunspots, learning about antennas, learning about propagation,
learning about some electronics, learning about digital communication
techniques, learning about VHF propagation, learning about microwaves,
learning about wide band tv systems, learning about narrow band tv
systems, learning about ... [you complete the phrase].

I notice none of the things you list is Morse Code

If you just want to talk around the world, use CB. If you just want to
talk around town, use FRS. If you want to LEARN about radio become an
Amateur Radio operator [make a commitment to LEARN].

/s/ DD, W1MCE

http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/


I can still put 18-20 wpm on paper [with arthritis in fingers] and read
25+ wpm.

What is your skill level?


Mark in the Dark doesn't have a skill level. He butchers the english
pretty good though.

SC

"R. Scott" wrote in
:


Good, we should keep the requirement then, because it has kept a
lot of Bad people out of ham radio.

SC

How come it didnt keep you out ?


I'm not bad.

SC

" wrote in
ups.com:

From: on Mon, Oct 30 2006 4:13 am

wrote:
imagines he is "helpful."

I am helpful, Len.

Mother Superior is back in her knuckle-spank-with-ruler mode.

Bad Habit, Mother. :-)

His concept of
"helpful" is everyone doing as he says, thinking what he
thinks. That's not reality. It's 'hive mind' stuff.

It's what *you* want, Len. Not me.

"Big Brother" thinking a la George Orwell. :-)

*NO* code test for an amateur radio license means FREEDOM
for amateur radio hobbyists to pursue the OPTION that the
FCC gives all licensed operators...the OPTION of using
any allocated mode in any band below 30 MHz.

YOU demand that all newcomers wanting below-30-MHz
privileges MUST take that code test...because it was
always done. THAT is the "hive mind," Mother, straight
out of the olde-tymer ARRL's hymnbook.

What is so "sacred" about having to take that code test
for below-30-MHz operating privileges? You keep on and
on and on and on and on about that...yet every other
radio service doesn't require that. Ah, but your
RATIONALIZATION (that is all it is) is that amateur
radio is somehow "special" and MUST continue to do as
it has always done, keep on with federal testing for
morse code telegraphy. Virtual enslavement to the ideas
of long-ago radio amateurs who just couldn't keep up
with the times and change.

The emotional necessity you have for some nebulous
'tradition' to keep that code test is just self-defined
bull****. Why are YOU so damn special that YOUR demands
MUST be met by others? Ego? Delusions of god-hood?
Are you a Controller, Mother? You have a NEED to CONTROL
others? Why are you against letting others choose for
themselves?


It might be that
doesn't understand 'reality.'
He says he "lives in the ham bands."

Who said that, Len? Give us an exact quote.

Mother, quit that annoying habit. You know damn well
what YOU meant.

The rest of us
live in residences like houses or apartments.

I've got one of those.

Ah, but do you LIVE in one? :-)

He has
funny ideas of zoning laws and how they affect hundreds
of peoples' lives about THEIR neighborhood, not to
mention local tax laws.

What funny ideas?

YOURS, Mother. This newsgroup is NOT about local zoning
laws. This newsgroup is NOT about real estate. This
newsgroup is NOT about local tax laws.

YOU live roughly 3000 miles away (if you call that living)
and do NOT participate in my neighborhood association,
haven't even met or even know about the neighborhood, but
you damn well HAVE to intrude and lecture me, bore every-
one else about an incidental NON-AMATEUR-RADIO thing.

Tsk, your whole point of that was just Character
Assassination of me. :-) Since it didn't work, you
MUST keep on and on and on and on with it. It's about
the only 'weapon' you have in your tiny arsenal to fight
against elimination of the code test. :-)

Not me, Len. I'm not about hate.

I'm all about justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy.

Tsk, it must be Election Time since you are sounding
just like every bull****-politician who ever ran. :-)

Are you running for some kind of "office" in amateur
radio? You want to CONTROL hams and enslave them to
YOUR politics? Sure sounds like it.

"Accuracy:" Are you still saying that ENIAC was "the
first electronic computer?" [it's not an amateur radio
subject since ENIAC never did any computing for amateur
radio] Are you going against a Federal Court decision
about that? Good luck and I hope you get admitted to
the Bar so you can re-argue that 1970s decision.

"Common sense:" The FCC gives all amateurs the OPTION
of using any allocated mode in any allocated band. Yet
you demand that the morse code test be required for any
radio amateur desiring below-30-MHz privileges...even
though the FCC has stated at least three times in public
(beginning in 1990) that it sees no value for their
licensing purposes. The FCC is the one with the NPRM
on deleting that code test. YOUR idea of "common
sense" is apparently a strict obediance to whatever the
ARRL says. :-)

"Fair play:" As long as everyone in here agrees with
your desires as a PCTA amateur extra, they are "fair."
If they disagree, your "fair play" vanishes. You then
become the ruler-whipping Mother Superior intent on
character-assassination. Tsk, we've all seen that.

"Justice:" Wow, what a concept! The PCTA concept of
"justice" is simply Do As We Say! Keep the code test
forever and ever even if the REASONS for it have
evaporated long ago. Keep The Code Test because all
the PCTA had to take one and everyone else had
damn well take one, too!


Accuracy, Len. You can't just push the facts down the memory hole.

You mean like "pushing" FACTS of a Federal Court
decision in regards to your beloved ENIAC *not*
accepted as a "first?" :-)

Mother, the ARRL is NOT the sole purveyor of radio
history. There are other sources, but you keep
trying to push ONLY the ARRL "facts" up people's hole.


In reality, a quarter-wave whip antenna is a lot longer than 3 and 1/4
inches.

Not at 731 MHz. :-)

Mother Superior, PUT DOWN THE RULER. I did correct my
typo of accidental shifting of the apostrophe key.

Okay, you have just TOSSED OUT your "accuracy" and
"fair play" in favor of manufactured Character
Assassination. You are going to DWELL on that typo
WITHOUT acknowledging my own correction.

Standard Operating Procedure for you, Mother.


Do you mean that I point out your mistakes?

That's about ALL you do to my postings, Mother. :-)

You love playing the prissy pedant and get amnesia when
you GET CORRECTED ON YOUR OWN MISTAKES! :-)

Does too much morse code affect your short-term memory?
Give you selective amnesia? Increase your imagination?


A sort of junior-league Major Dud (Robeson) now.

Did you ever find the database that says whether or not he was in the
US military?

There are databases showing who was NOT in the military?!?

Where? If there were, YOU would be on one! :-)

You have NEVER served in any military, yet your own quaint
sense of "justice, fair play, common sense, and accuracy"
MAKES you "correct" anyone about anything military? Hey,
no problem, you can get support for replacing the Secretary
of Defense any time from other PCTA! You can then replace
the MARS Directive and say "hams run MARS!" :-)

Want to see a digitized copy of my DD-214, Mother? I'm sure
you would considering your sense of "justice, fair play,
common sense, and ACCURACY." I might even add a copy of my
Honorable Discharge; I would have to go get it from the
Safety Deposit box at the bank, but it would be for "justice,
fair play, common sense, and accuracy." Those are two
documents which YOU will NEVER have.

Does YOUR concept of "justice, fair play, common sense, and
accuracy" ALLOW some bull****ters to claim military service
even if they haven't produced ONE documentary PROOF of it
for years? Yes, I'm sure it does as long as they champion
morse code testing for amateur licenses. You seem to love
and condone anyone who is against NCTAs.

Gotta love that "justice, fair play, common sense, and
accuracy" of yours, Mother. Right up there with all the
dictators of human history. You keep up the good work of
1906 thinking in the year 2006.





What's wrong with letting us keep our ham traditions?

SC

"Bill" wrote in
oups.com:


It's not code requirements or tests that is keeping ( and driving) good
people out of ham radio, and away from lists like these, it's
psychopaths like SC and the idiots that feed him. This WAS about real
issues, and about technology (I hit this cesspool from the antennas
list), but it is not now.
Thanks to the crap fron SC, and from the idiots that feed this Troll,
I'm leaving. On real lists, s--t pots like him are kicked out. On
usenets, the only way is to quit feeding his ego, but, unfortunately,
he is not the only idiot here.


Is the code requirement really keeping good people out of ham radio?

SC