Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Mon, Sep 25 2006 7:28 am


3. Nobody has done anything to abrogate your rights to free speech.
lying again Nursie soory Heil
You
simply don't understand that while you are free to speak or write, no
one must listen.
I am sure len agrees
No one must refrain from heckling.
I have never seen him say any such thing
No one must agree
with you. No one must show deference to you.
what you over look is that the SAME rules apply to you

The balance of your rant snipped.
and yours

Dave K8MN

wrote:
wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Sep 24 2006 2:59 pm
wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm
Dave Heil wrote

I lose no privileges whether morse code testing disappears or not.

Then WHY are you so angry and antagonistic to those of
us who want to eliminate the code test?

Dave's not angry. Neither am I.

You sure seem to be angry, Len.

As for "antagaonistic", we're just opposing what we think is a bad
idea. You seem to have a very difficult time with disagreement - your
behavior rapidly deteriorates when someone here disagrees with you.

Which is pretty much everyone except for Morkie, Toiddie and Brain.

Those three options in and of themselves ought to "say something"
about the company he keeps, though.

No harm will come to you if the test is eliminated.

Can you guarantee that, Len? I think not.

Sure it will.

Lennie keeps uttering that silliness as if "coded licensees" would
never share the same bandwidth as these folks. How idiotic.

The subject of this thread is "Gerritsen Sentenced". Gerritsen is a
former radio amateur who caused harm to many amateurs and others in his
area - jamming their transmissions, tying up repeaters, deliberately
interfering, etc. It took years to get him convicted and sentenced.

Lennie is a Gerritsen without the mic. Imagine what he could do
if he go ahold of one...?!?!?

Worst of all, he did a lot of damage to the public image of amateur
radio.

Obviously letting someone like Gerritsen get a license in the first
place was a mistake. The testing process did not insure that he would
follow the rules. He obviously did not care about proper behavior on
the air.

Amateur Radio...flying...model rockets...skateboarding...

There's always ONE putz that wants to ruin things for everyone
else.

Amateur Radio had one and a half...One still doesn't have a
license...

One concern many of us have about continued reductions in the license
test requirements - both code and written - is that more folks like
Gerritsen will get licenses and behave as he did.

If changes in the license requirements let in more like him, those of
us who are currently licensed *will* be harmed. Those like you who are
not involved in amateur radio will not be affected.

btw, Len, Gerritsen lived over in Bell, CA, about a half-hour from your
house. He's pretty close to your age, too.

And temperment...and responsibility....and maturity...

It's interesting that you proposed an age requirement that would ban
anyone under the age of 14 from getting an amateur radio license,
without any examples of problems caused by the licensing of young
people.

Yet the worst amateur radio offender in recent history is pretty close
to *your* age.

I wonder how well it would have sat if Lennie had proposed an age
CAP...?!?!

You aren't a radio amateur.

True, but what DOES that have to do with talking about
US amateur radio regulations?

You can "talk" all you want, Len. Nobody is saying you shouldn't.

The problem is that you do not deal with disagreement well. You don't
want to discuss, you want to lecture and not have your lectures
examined, criticized, or refuted.

Bingo.

FCC doesn't regulate behavior.

Actually, they do.

Guess Lennie's not been paying attention to all those efforts to
"can" the licenses of persons who have non-radio-related legal issues.

Personally, I think the FCC needs to be put in thier place for
that.

You aren't entering amateur radio.

I'm "not"?!?" What do you KNOW what I'm doing? Are you
Claire Voyant in some ham radio column or something?

Back on January 19, 2000, you wrote here that you were "going for Extra
right out of the box". Hasn't happened - in fact, you have not obtained
an amateur radio license of any kind. Almost 8 years and you haven't
taken the first step.

He can't. He can't retain the knowledge long enough to get to the
front door...And they won't let him take his computer into the test
exam with him.

The Technician class license has not required a code test since
February 14, 1991. Almost 16 years and you haven't taken the first
step.

It's a pretty good bet that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license, Len.

There is a god.

I've encountered no sane person posting here who plays less well with
others than Leonard H. Anderson.

Why should anyone presume Len is "sane"?

Why should we presume he was talking about himself... OUR "Leonard
H Anderson" does NOT "play well" with ANYone, let alone anyone in this
forum.

You have not made an attempt to obtain an amateur radio license.

Now, now, there you go again with your bad temper and
terrible insistence that ONLY amateur licensees can
talk about amateur radio!

You are mistaken, Len. No one is insisting that only licensees can talk
about it.

Biut only those who ARE licensed and DO have some PRACTICAL
EXPERIENCE are in a position to make INFORMED opinions. Lennie is NOT
licensed and hs NO practical experience as a radio OPERATOR.

73

Steve, K4YZ

K4YZ wrote:

YOU-ARE-A-PUTZ" says Steve the sex feind

From: on Mon, Sep 25 2006 3:45 pm

wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Sun, Sep 24 2006 2:59 pm
wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm
Dave Heil wrote


No harm will come to you if the test is eliminated.

Can you guarantee that, Len? I think not.

Did you think some no-coder would meet you outside the
school and beat you up if the code test is eliminated?

Not to worry, Jimmy, David Heil will protect you! :-)

David Heil served in the USAF! In a country AT war!

Poor Jimmy NEVER served, volunteered for military
service nor civil government.


The subject of this thread is "Gerritsen Sentenced". Gerritsen is a
former radio amateur who caused harm to many amateurs and others in his
area - jamming their transmissions, tying up repeaters, deliberately
interfering, etc. It took years to get him convicted and sentenced.

Why so long? Weren't there enough David Heils to
handle the task right away?


Obviously letting someone like Gerritsen get a license in the first
place was a mistake. The testing process did not insure that he would
follow the rules. He obviously did not care about proper behavior on
the air.

So, what are YOU doing about it?

Have you Petitioned the FCC for rough, tough Test regulations?
Have you communicated with the VEC QPC? No? Are you still
waiting for someone to "serve you" instead of the other way
around?


One concern many of us have about continued reductions in the license
test requirements - both code and written - is that more folks like
Gerritsen will get licenses and behave as he did.

Tsk, tsk, starting in with "guilt by association?" :-)

Gerritsen got his ham license under the EXISTING rules,
Jimmy.


If changes in the license requirements let in more like him, those of
us who are currently licensed *will* be harmed.

Irrational fear of the future, Jimmy?

What have you done about keeping the regulations the
way they were when you were young? What, no Petitions
or Kvetching the QPC?


btw, Len, Gerritsen lived over in Bell, CA, about a half-hour from your
house. He's pretty close to your age, too.

Ah, yes, you ARE doing the Guilt by Association thing!

BTW, Jimmy, Bell is farther away than what you say...unless
one has a helicopter. :-)


It's interesting that you proposed an age requirement that would ban
anyone under the age of 14 from getting an amateur radio license,
without any examples of problems caused by the licensing of young
people.

Oh, my, you should have heard me years and years ago when I
was a bachelor...I was propositioning all over the place! :-)
Sometimes it worked! :-)

Go get laid, Jimmy. It will improve your disposition.


Yet the worst amateur radio offender in recent history is pretty close
to *your* age.

Tsk, are you proposing euthanasia or something?

"Never trust anyone over 30?"

No, not that one, you are 20 past the limit...:-)

Did you watch some old rerun of "Logan's Run" on TV?
The stars were all Brits and you love Brits...


You can "talk" all you want, Len. Nobody is saying you shouldn't.

How magnanimous of you! :-)

The problem is that you do not deal with disagreement well.

Whatever. :-)

You don't
want to discuss, you want to lecture and not have your lectures
examined, criticized, or refuted.

Now now Mother Superior, I'm not trying to take away
your job at the convent school and you can keep your
ruler for spanking the little kiddies.

You ARE going to continue to LECTURE everyone (after telling
them they are "wrong") on the Right and Proper Way of Life
in everything, including history, world affairs, aero-
space, and, especially, the Military!

Go ahead and continue with your "military personnel are
'subsidized' for their service." You've never served,
never volunteered to serve, never took the Oath...yet
you LECTURE everyone on some hilarious "why" of your
words "not being insulting" (they are definitely
insulting to veterans) and supposedly'correct' use
of your words.


Back on January 19, 2000, you wrote here that you were "going for Extra
right out of the box".

Yes. Well, I must have changed my mind. :-)

Did I make some kind of "solemn promise?" Swear to St. Hiram
on a stack of Handbooks?


Almost 8 years and you haven't taken the first step.

Tsk, tsk, I took the first step back in infancy. :-)

The Technician class license has not required a code test since
February 14, 1991. Almost 16 years and you haven't taken the first
step.

Now, now, I TOLD you I took the first step way back
in time...in fact before you were conceived. :-)


It's a pretty good bet that you're not going to get an amateur radio
license, Len.

Am I supposed to attend the Church of St. Hiram and get
converted? Or are you saying I've been ex-communicated? :-)

Guess I'll have to study radio theology some more...like
how one becomes a Priest of the Order of St. Hiram and
promises lifelong devotion to the Church and always,
always fulfilling one's "promises!"


Why should anyone presume Len is "sane"?

Oh, my, Jimmy want a "sanity clause" in here?

Tsk, tsk, you'll have to wait for Christmas time... :-)

Act nice, "sanity" is making a list, checking it twice.


You have not made an attempt to obtain an amateur radio license.

Now, now, there you go again with your bad temper and
terrible insistence that ONLY amateur licensees can
talk about amateur radio!

You are mistaken, Len. No one is insisting that only licensees can talk
about it.

No? If I believed what you said I would have been a
Val Germann.

Remember to act nice, Jimmy, "sanity clause" is coming to
town in a few months.

Try not to INSULT so many military VETERANS or the military
still serviing.


And, as always to you, ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked!


["signature" omitted due to hissy fits of Paul Schleck]

wrote:

show-na-to-va woger

wrote:

Did you think some no-coder would meet you outside the
school and beat you up if the code test is eliminated?

Not to worry, Jimmy, David Heil will protect you! :-)

David Heil served in the USAF! In a country AT war!

Poor Jimmy NEVER served, volunteered for military
service nor civil government.

Why so long? Weren't there enough David Heils to
handle the task right away?

So, what are YOU doing about it?

Have you Petitioned the FCC for rough, tough Test regulations?
Have you communicated with the VEC QPC? No? Are you still
waiting for someone to "serve you" instead of the other way
around?

Tsk, tsk, starting in with "guilt by association?" :-)

Gerritsen got his ham license under the EXISTING rules,
Jimmy.

Irrational fear of the future, Jimmy?

What have you done about keeping the regulations the
way they were when you were young? What, no Petitions
or Kvetching the QPC?

Ah, yes, you ARE doing the Guilt by Association thing!

BTW, Jimmy, Bell is farther away than what you say...unless
one has a helicopter. :-)

Oh, my, you should have heard me years and years ago when I
was a bachelor...I was propositioning all over the place! :-)
Sometimes it worked! :-)

Go get laid, Jimmy. It will improve your disposition.

Tsk, are you proposing euthanasia or something?

"Never trust anyone over 30?"

No, not that one, you are 20 past the limit...:-)

Did you watch some old rerun of "Logan's Run" on TV?
The stars were all Brits and you love Brits...

How magnanimous of you! :-)

Whatever. :-)

Now now Mother Superior, I'm not trying to take away
your job at the convent school and you can keep your
ruler for spanking the little kiddies.

You ARE going to continue to LECTURE everyone (after telling
them they are "wrong") on the Right and Proper Way of Life
in everything, including history, world affairs, aero-
space, and, especially, the Military!

Go ahead and continue with your "military personnel are
'subsidized' for their service." You've never served,
never volunteered to serve, never took the Oath...yet
you LECTURE everyone on some hilarious "why" of your
words "not being insulting" (they are definitely
insulting to veterans) and supposedly'correct' use
of your words.

Yes. Well, I must have changed my mind. :-)

Did I make some kind of "solemn promise?" Swear to St. Hiram
on a stack of Handbooks?
Tsk, tsk, I took the first step back in infancy. :-)

Now, now, I TOLD you I took the first step way back
in time...in fact before you were conceived. :-)

Am I supposed to attend the Church of St. Hiram and get
converted? Or are you saying I've been ex-communicated? :-)

Guess I'll have to study radio theology some more...like
how one becomes a Priest of the Order of St. Hiram and
promises lifelong devotion to the Church and always,
always fulfilling one's "promises!"

Oh, my, Jimmy want a "sanity clause" in here?

Tsk, tsk, you'll have to wait for Christmas time... :-)

Act nice, "sanity" is making a list, checking it twice.

No? If I believed what you said I would have been a
Val Germann.

Remember to act nice, Jimmy, "sanity clause" is coming to
town in a few months.

Try not to INSULT so many military VETERANS or the military
still serviing.

And, as always to you, ByteBrothers famous phrase invoked!


["signature" omitted due to hissy fits of Paul Schleck]

Well, Len, you've convinced me.

Any doubt I had has vanished.

I'm completely convinced.

wrote:
From: on Sat, Sep 23 2006 7:06 pm

Dave Heil wrote:
wrote:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Fri, Sep 22 2006 4:09 pm
writes:
From: Paul W. Schleck on Thurs, Sep 21 2006 12:21 pm
writes:


Why did you - repeat you - bring up the late Lloyd
Bentsen at all? Did Lloyd Bentsen have an amateur
radio license? :-)

Heck, Leonard, it should put you at ease. You don't have one either.

Good grief! Did you have to query QRZ on that one, too?

Robesin did.

They are birds of a feather, Brian.

They might share a brain...

At least Heil didn't consume time and resources in a useless exercise
as Robesin has.

The only difference
between them is better literacy in Heil's postings. But,
the same hatred of losing anything and bluffmanship
is evident in both.

I see a lot more difference between them than that, but without getting
into a great big ****ing match with either of them, I'll sum it up in
that one of them should be kept away from society, the other is merely
annoying and needs to stick to meaningful exchanges on the air, such as
"you're 59."

Heil is fixated on his one-cannot-possibly-talk-about-
getting-into-amateur-radio until one is already in
amateur radio. [the "chicken and the egg" arrived
at the same time logic...]

Now the FCC does NOT require any commissioner or staffer
to hold an amateur radio license grant in order to
REGULATE US amateur radio. Heil's concept of who rules
is faulty.

They tend to ignore facts.

Heil often expresses disdain and contempt for anyone on
the "outside" of amateur radio attempting to "tell radio
amateurs what to do." That is also illogical and faulty
but grounded in extreme emotional territorialism. He
does NOT rule yet pretends to be the ruler in behavior to
others.

The FCC tells Heil "what to do" and Heil has no choice
but to obey...or lose his precious amateur extra class
license. In any discussion with others about a singular
test to ENTER amateur radio, Heil does not play well and
assumes He can tell others what to do...and does not
hesitate to do so with his typical smug arrogance.

That is NOT a good picture to present to the public about
US amateur radio. But, I doubt that Heil cares. Heil
has His and the rest can go do something else. :-(



Doesn't matter if every newcomer sees their antics for the next eight
decades in the archives, they are right, Right, RIGHT and you are
wrong. Proof? W0EX/SK said he wanted to destroy the ARS since he
couldn't have ham radio his way. Like Robeswine's present antics, no
one said a word...

wrote:

Doesn't matter if every newcomer sees their antics for the next eight
decades in the archives, they are right, Right, RIGHT and you are
wrong.

If someone is wrong, they're wrong regardless of how much they protest
and attack the person who points out their mistake.

How many newcomers actually read rrap?

How many *people* actually read rrap?

Proof? W0EX/SK said he wanted to destroy the ARS since he
couldn't have ham radio his way.

When did he say that? Show us the posting where he wrote such a thing.

Like Robeswine's present antics, no one said a word...

Anyone who bothers to wade through the mountains of postings and oceans
of words on rrap will see all sorts of things from all sorts of people
on all sides of various issues.

---

You've convinced me too, Brian.

Any doubts I had have been laid to rest.

I'm completely convinced, now.

wrote:
wrote:

Doesn't matter if every newcomer sees their antics for the next eight
decades in the archives, they are right, Right, RIGHT and you are
wrong.

If someone is wrong, they're wrong regardless of how much they protest
and attack the person who points out their mistake.

Go tell it to Robesin, he desperately needs to hear that.

How many newcomers actually read rrap?

How many *people* actually read rrap?

Anymore? None. Today it's just a cesspool for want of an apology.

Proof? W0EX/SK said he wanted to destroy the ARS since he
couldn't have ham radio his way.

When did he say that? Show us the posting where he wrote such a thing.

Do your own homework.

Like Robeswine's present antics, no one said a word...

Anyone who bothers to wade through the mountains of postings and oceans
of words on rrap will see all sorts of things from all sorts of people
on all sides of various issues.

Yup. Someone recently said that service members are subsidized, which
isn't even a RRAP issue.

---

You've convinced me too, Brian.

Any doubts I had have been laid to rest.

I'm completely convinced, now.

As Heil says, "Bully for you."

The more you post, the deeper into a corner you get.

K4YZ wrote:

There's always ONE putz that wants to ruin things for everyone
else.

73

Steve, K4YZ

The spoiler?

His name is Steve. His call sign is K4YZ.

His face story can be read on QRZ.com.

His heinous acts can be read in the Google archives.