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Dee Flint wrote:

There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least.

Well, actually there is.

At present, 3500 to 3750 kHz is CW/data space - no 'phone or image. In
that space, 3525 to 3750 is available to Generals, Advanceds and
Extras. 3500-3525 is for Extras only.

When the changes take effect, only 3500-3600 will be free of 'phone.
The space available for data modes will be reduced from 250 kHz to 100
kHz for Extras, and from 225 to 75 kHz for Advanceds and Generals.

Now it may come to pass that 3600-3750 is still used for CW by some
Extras and Advanceds. But I think it is far more likely that those
freqs will be used for 'phone, with CW being frowned upon. And they
cannot be used for data.

73 de Jim, N2EY


Well yes that segment has been shortened a bit but on the whole, the changes
should be beneficial. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW
bandwidth.

Dee, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you could
have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice
or Tech 99% of the time.)

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have
to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets, RTTY/data
operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some
displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What few who migrate
down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular
like" for the move.

The Man in the Maze
QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you
could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a
single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.)

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll
have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets,
RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there,
probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What
few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not
share your "particular like" for the move.

The Man in the Maze
QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ




Still no problem for the CW ops. They can operate the entire band. This
may be the band where they choose not to limit themselves to the traditional
CW portion.

Besides that, generally the only time the CW ops go as high as 3.600 is
during a contest. Typically they stay between 3.500 and 3.550. So looking
at the current ARRL band plan, they digital guys may end up moving down a
bit but probably not clear down to the 3.550 but more likely to perhaps
3.560. Still though it may be the digital guys who feel a bit pinched. So
while the CW ops probably will not go ballistic, the digital ops might.

Dee, N8UZE

You couldn't be more wrong, Dee, even if you deliberately tried!

Have a look at your Net Directory. By my count there are nearly a thousand net sessions weekly in the 3600-3750 segment, mostly NTS/public service/traffic handlers/emergency training/CW training. This band segment (popular over all others with nets) was chosen for some very specific reasons, not the least of which because NVIS provides excellent and reliable short-to-mid-range characteristics not common on any other band.

FCC has chosen to relocate all those beneficial users below 3600, and give that space to the Extras and Advanced phone users complaining about their lumbago and hemerroids, the "Liberty Knet", and similar 'high value' uses. 80m phone has long been known as the cesspool of HF ham radio, and the FCC has chosen to almost double it's allocation.

Now isn't that interesting!

The Man in the Maze
QRL on Baboquivari Peak, AZ

"Iitoi" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you
could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a
single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.)

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll
have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets,
RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there,
probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What
few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not
share your "particular like" for the move.

The Man in the Maze
QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ


By the way, the Canadian phone nets will not need to move.

Dee, N8UZE

Iitoi wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth.

On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves.

Yep, and that was just the problem. They were there pretty much by
themselves. Oh, you heard the stories about the benevolent Extras
cruising by and handing out that first QSO like Santa Claus in the
Macy's Parade tossing candy to the kiddies, but those were just
stories.

(Of course you could
have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice
or Tech 99% of the time.)

Litpoi wants to kill off the Novices and Tech plusses with a bucket of
grenades.

Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have

That's a 50% increase. In any other context, N2EY would claim that 3%
was ultra-significant. I guess different people have different ideas
about what is significant.

to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets,

CW traffic nets? Don't kid yourself. They can look at it as a
recruitment opportunity. Best thing that ever happened to them.

RTTY/data
operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some
displaced Canadian phone nets,

Out of the FCC's jurisdiction.

and the W1AW bulldozer.

Well within the FCC's jurisdiction. Or you could look at the bright
side. When W1AW asks if the frequency is in use, the Novice could
answer, "Yes, but we've never have mattered."

What few who migrate
down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular
like" for the move.

Fair enough. The ARRL told the FCC to get off the pot and address the
petitions. They did.