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October 19th 06, 03:34 PM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
wrote: On 18 Oct 2006 21:32:48 -0700, wrote: Much smaller pile. You think Len's stuff makes it to that pile? Scan, identify commenter, flick his garbage on sight . . why do you presume to think they don't read len ader particualrly Because he's a non-stakeholder who has been blatantly abusing his right to comment on matters before the FCC involving the amateur service for years. A presumption based on applied common sense and experience. I used to think the code test thing was a slam dunk. Maybe it still is. But the fact that FCC has taken so long so far makes me wonder. For all we know, they could keep it just because. Or they could do what Canada did. Or something else. Or they could simply sit on it forever which would be the really easy way out of that swamp. nope they know full well they wait long and someone will mount a legal chalenge to code testing and that will be that Could be but until somebody actually lays down the cash it takes to mount the challenge you're waiting for y'all behave yourself Colonel and stay above 30 Mhz. w3rv |
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#3
October 20th 06, 03:36 AM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
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On 19 Oct 2006 07:34:27 -0700, wrote: why do you presume to think they don't read len ader particualrly Because he's a non-stakeholder who has been blatantly abusing his right to comment on matters before the FCC involving the amateur service for years. A presumption based on applied common sense and experience. where has he iditeifed himself as a no stakeholder as far as I know he is a citizen? We can all toss comments at all NPRMs, that's not the point. The topic under discussion is Anderson's behavior during ham NPRM commenting periods and the way the FCC probably handles his "comments". As far as stakes go Anderson himself made it transparently clear years ago that he has no stake whatsoever in the regulation of the amateur radio service when he stated that he is not a ham and does not have any intention of becoming a ham in the future. and what abuse? Flooding the FCC with 200 comments on one ham radio NPRM is juvenile and abusive behavior every way you look at it. And it's not in the direction of supporting the cause of you NCTAs. did you read a different constituions than I Again that's not the point, the point is how his submissions are regarded and dealt with after the FCC has processed them in accordance with all the laws under which they operate. You gotta be as naive as a newborn if you think the FCC attaches as much value to any of Anderson's nonsense as they do, for instance, to the inputs submitted by the ARRL. nope they know full well they wait long and someone will mount a legal chalenge to code testing and that will be that Could be but until somebody actually lays down the cash it takes to mount the challenge you're waiting for y'all behave yourself Colonel and stay above 30 Mhz. indeed the cash is problem I was well on the way leading to the NPRM then the backer back out thinking the FCC is finaly goign to take care it Usta be's, shoulda done's and could've beens are a dime a dozen, you either walk the walk or you don't. the longer thay wait the more likely the challange become but they (the ffc ) are on record as saying it will be out after the onibus and before the end of the years Don't let the suspense keep you awake at night. w3rv |
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October 20th 06, 03:58 AM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
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wrote: On 19 Oct 2006 07:34:27 -0700, wrote: why do you presume to think they don't read len ader particualrly Because he's a non-stakeholder who has been blatantly abusing his right to comment on matters before the FCC involving the amateur service for years. A presumption based on applied common sense and experience. where has he iditeifed himself as a no stakeholder as far as I know he is a citizen? We can all toss comments at all NPRMs, that's not the point. The topic under discussion is Anderson's behavior during ham NPRM commenting periods and the way the FCC probably handles his "comments". As far as stakes go Anderson himself made it transparently clear years ago that he has no stake whatsoever in the regulation of the amateur radio service when he stated that he is not a ham and does not have any intention of becoming a ham in the future. and what abuse? Flooding the FCC with 200 comments on one ham radio NPRM is juvenile and abusive behavior every way you look at it. And it's not in the direction of supporting the cause of you NCTAs. did you read a different constituions than I Again that's not the point, the point is how his submissions are regarded and dealt with after the FCC has processed them in accordance with all the laws under which they operate. You gotta be as naive as a newborn if you think the FCC attaches as much value to any of Anderson's nonsense as they do, for instance, to the inputs submitted by the ARRL. Len sometimes seems to think that he can woo the Commission with sheer volume rather than substance. nope they know full well they wait long and someone will mount a legal chalenge to code testing and that will be that Could be but until somebody actually lays down the cash it takes to mount the challenge you're waiting for y'all behave yourself Colonel and stay above 30 Mhz. indeed the cash is problem I was well on the way leading to the NPRM then the backer back out thinking the FCC is finaly goign to take care it Usta be's, shoulda done's and could've beens are a dime a dozen, you either walk the walk or you don't. Gee, Brian, maybe you and I need financial backers. the longer thay wait the more likely the challange become but they (the ffc ) are on record as saying it will be out after the onibus and before the end of the years Don't let the suspense keep you awake at night. Is the "end of the years" a sort of "end days" scenario? Chasin' the XF4? Dave K8MN |
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#5
October 20th 06, 08:20 AM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: Again that's not the point, the point is how his submissions are regarded and dealt with after the FCC has processed them in accordance with all the laws under which they operate. You gotta be as naive as a newborn if you think the FCC attaches as much value to any of Anderson's nonsense as they do, for instance, to the inputs submitted by the ARRL. Len sometimes seems to think that he can woo the Commission with sheer volume rather than substance. A child in a geezer's pants. If he keeps playing that stupid game he's liable to find out the hard way that the feds have some very unpleasant ways of "calling games off". indeed the cash is problem I was well on the way leading to the NPRM then the backer back out thinking the FCC is finaly goign to take care it Usta be's, shoulda done's and could've beens are a dime a dozen, you either walk the walk or you don't. Gee, Brian, maybe you and I need financial backers. Yeah why didn't we think of that? 'Course the Colonel has all those contacts in high places . . the longer thay wait the more likely the challange become but they (the ffc ) are on record as saying it will be out after the onibus and before the end of the years Don't let the suspense keep you awake at night. Is the "end of the years" a sort of "end days" scenario? Nah it's sorta like the last yawn of daylight. Chasin' the XF4? No, I'm still not up and running. I'm very close to having half-wave verticals for 20 & 15 strung up but this place has turned out to be a whole lot more work than I bargained for when I moved in. For now radio is and has been taking a back seat to buckets of paint and varnish and beyond but there's no way I won't be on the air within the month. Even if it's only on 20 & 15 with the 847, P/S the mic and the paddles. Next up will be 2M via a quickie whip. Getting on 40 & 30 is a possibility but that'll be a race against the WX and I doubt that I'll beat Mother Nature so I'm not banking on it. "Wait'll next year!" grumble Dave K8MN w3rv |
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#6
October 20th 06, 09:31 AM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
On 20 Oct 2006 00:20:38 -0700, wrote:
Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: Again that's not the point, the point is how his submissions are regarded and dealt with after the FCC has processed them in accordance with all the laws under which they operate. You gotta be as naive as a newborn if you think the FCC attaches as much value to any of Anderson's nonsense as they do, for instance, to the inputs submitted by the ARRL. Len sometimes seems to think that he can woo the Commission with sheer volume rather than substance. A child in a geezer's pants. If he keeps playing that stupid game he's liable to find out the hard way that the feds have some very unpleasant ways of "calling games off". what are you smoking? the feds are going to DO something unpleasent to len for following the procedures of the FCC indeed the cash is problem I was well on the way leading to the NPRM then the backer back out thinking the FCC is finaly goign to take care it Usta be's, shoulda done's and could've beens are a dime a dozen, you either walk the walk or you don't. Gee, Brian, maybe you and I need financial backers. Yeah why didn't we think of that? 'Course the Colonel has all those contacts in high places . . I had enough before the NPRM and am working on repaeting it if neccasary the longer thay wait the more likely the challange become but they (the ffc ) are on record as saying it will be out after the onibus and before the end of the years Don't let the suspense keep you awake at night. Is the "end of the years" a sort of "end days" scenario? Nah it's sorta like the last yawn of daylight. Chasin' the XF4? No, I'm still not up and running. I'm very close to having half-wave verticals for 20 & 15 strung up but this place has turned out to be a whole lot more work than I bargained for when I moved in. For now radio is and has been taking a back seat to buckets of paint and varnish and beyond but there's no way I won't be on the air within the month. Even if it's only on 20 & 15 with the 847, P/S the mic and the paddles. Next up will be 2M via a quickie whip. Getting on 40 & 30 is a possibility but that'll be a race against the WX and I doubt that I'll beat Mother Nature so I'm not banking on it. "Wait'll next year!" grumble Dave K8MN w3rv http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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October 20th 06, 12:31 PM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: Again that's not the point, the point is how his submissions are regarded and dealt with after the FCC has processed them in accordance with all the laws under which they operate. You gotta be as naive as a newborn if you think the FCC attaches as much value to any of Anderson's nonsense as they do, for instance, to the inputs submitted by the ARRL. Len sometimes seems to think that he can woo the Commission with sheer volume rather than substance. A version of the 'say it enough times and some people will think it's true" ploy. Except it doesn't work. Heck, Len argues with and insults those who *agree* with him. I suppose former FCC Chairman Michael Powell would have taken warmly to being called "Mikey" by Len.... A child in a geezer's pants. A *spoiled* child.... If he keeps playing that stupid game he's liable to find out the hard way that the feds have some very unpleasant ways of "calling games off". More likely he's just delaying or defeating the changes he says he wants. btw, didn't FCC issue a ruling of some sort about how many proposals a person or group could submit per year? I know that there are vanity rules changes in the R&O intended to eliminate multiple applications for vanity calls by the same person, to avoid gaming the odds.... indeed the cash is problem I was well on the way leading to the NPRM then the backer back out thinking the FCC is finaly goign to take care it Usta be's, shoulda done's and could've beens are a dime a dozen, you either walk the walk or you don't. Gee, Brian, maybe you and I need financial backers. Yeah why didn't we think of that? 'Course the Colonel has all those contacts in high places . . Uh-huh.... the longer thay wait the more likely the challange become but they (the ffc ) are on record as saying it will be out after the onibus and before the end of the years Don't let the suspense keep you awake at night. Is the "end of the years" a sort of "end days" scenario? Nah it's sorta like the last yawn of daylight. The end of 2006 is only 72 days away, give or take. What's the prize if FCC doesn't release the Morse Code R&O by then? Chasin' the XF4? No, I'm still not up and running. I'm very close to having half-wave verticals for 20 & 15 strung up but this place has turned out to be a whole lot more work than I bargained for when I moved in. For now radio is and has been taking a back seat to buckets of paint and varnish and beyond but there's no way I won't be on the air within the month. Even if it's only on 20 & 15 with the 847, P/S the mic and the paddles. Next up will be 2M via a quickie whip. Getting on 40 & 30 is a possibility but that'll be a race against the WX and I doubt that I'll beat Mother Nature so I'm not banking on it. "Wait'll next year!" grumble ".......ze barracuda iz verry patient, zen strikez whan leazt exzpected....." 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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October 20th 06, 03:17 PM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: Len sometimes seems to think that he can woo the Commission with sheer volume rather than substance. A version of the 'say it enough times and some people will think it's true" ploy. Except it doesn't work. Sure it works - backward. Heck, Len argues with and insults those who *agree* with him. I suppose former FCC Chairman Michael Powell would have taken warmly to being called "Mikey" by Len.... I don't have a particularly bad time with that one. A child in a geezer's pants. A *spoiled* child.... Lotta negative adjectives fit him. If he keeps playing that stupid game he's liable to find out the hard way that the feds have some very unpleasant ways of "calling games off". More likely he's just delaying or defeating the changes he says he wants. I'd say not much, gets back to the crux of my contention, they won't let him clog the process. btw, didn't FCC issue a ruling of some sort about how many proposals a person or group could submit per year? If they did it went over my head. Either way they probably have something like that in place which they keep to themselves. I know that there are vanity rules changes in the R&O intended to eliminate multiple applications for vanity calls by the same person, to avoid gaming the odds.... Gee, Brian, maybe you and I need financial backers. Yeah why didn't we think of that? 'Course the Colonel has all those contacts in high places . . Uh-huh.... He'd fit right in on the Elwyn Express. The end of 2006 is only 72 days away, give or take. What's the prize if FCC doesn't release the Morse Code R&O by then? Anderson pays for a dinner with Britney in a private room at the Dilworthtown Inn. Speaking of Britney . . there's some scuttlebutt going around to the effect that the FCC is working on a compromise deal on the code test. No Code Techs upgrading to get HF privs will have a choice. Pass the 13wpm code test or take a written on the material in this website. Passing grade = 75 min. http://britneyspears.ac/physics/basics/basics.htm . . . . . against the WX and I doubt that I'll beat Mother Nature so I'm not banking on it. "Wait'll next year!" grumble ".......ze barracuda iz verry patient, zen strikez whan leazt exzpected....." ze barracuda ran outta tricks this time! 73 de Jim, N2EY w3rv |
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#9
October 20th 06, 09:29 AM
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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
On 19 Oct 2006 19:36:33 -0700, wrote:
wrote: On 19 Oct 2006 07:34:27 -0700, wrote: why do you presume to think they don't read len ader particualrly Because he's a non-stakeholder who has been blatantly abusing his right to comment on matters before the FCC involving the amateur service for years. A presumption based on applied common sense and experience. where has he iditeifed himself as a no stakeholder as far as I know he is a citizen? We can all toss comments at all NPRMs, that's not the point. The topic under discussion is Anderson's behavior during ham NPRM commenting periods and the way the FCC probably handles his "comments". and for some reason you chose to imply that Len coments are treated differently than say mine As far as stakes go Anderson himself made it transparently clear years ago that he has no stake whatsoever in the regulation of the amateur radio service when he stated that he is not a ham and does not have any intention of becoming a ham in the future. and what has that got to do with anythiung at all and what abuse? Flooding the FCC with 200 comments on one ham radio NPRM is juvenile and abusive behavior every way you look at it. And it's not in the direction of supporting the cause of you NCTAs. sas I understand he filed one coment during the main period and a bunch (i'll accept your count till len says different) of reply coment in the period set aside for that that is on paper at aleast how the system is suposed to work doing things the right way is abusive in your mind? did you read a different constituions than I Again that's not the point, the point is how his submissions are regarded and dealt with after the FCC has processed them in accordance with all the laws under which they operate. it is precisely the point You gotta be as naive as a newborn if you think the FCC attaches as much value to any of Anderson's nonsense as they do, for instance, to the inputs submitted by the ARRL. and where was it claimed that Len was taken as seriously as the ARRL he should have been in theory but that is theory nope they know full well they wait long and someone will mount a legal chalenge to code testing and that will be that Could be but until somebody actually lays down the cash it takes to mount the challenge you're waiting for y'all behave yourself Colonel and stay above 30 Mhz. indeed the cash is problem I was well on the way leading to the NPRM then the backer back out thinking the FCC is finaly goign to take care it Usta be's, shoulda done's and could've beens are a dime a dozen, you either walk the walk or you don't. your point? that one should waste money forcing the FCC to act in accordance with the laws of the USA? the longer thay wait the more likely the challange become but they (the ffc ) are on record as saying it will be out after the onibus and before the end of the years Don't let the suspense keep you awake at night. I don't esp as there is no supense we are just waiting on the dates of actgion w3rv http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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