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CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Iitoi wrote: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc Why will they go "balistic" (maybe you meant "ballistic")? I can still operate CW on all the freqs I could before, I've picked up some additional phone spectrum on a couple of crowded bands (hopefully in time for SS phone), and all my Novice and Tech (w/Morse test) friends gained a new bunch of HF spectrum. What's to "bo balistic" about? 73, de Hans, K0HB -- " The dust will not settle in our time. And when it does some great roaring machine will come and whirl it all skyhigh again." {{{{* http://www.home.earthlink.net/~k0hb |
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Iitoi wrote: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc Why will they go "balistic" (maybe you meant "ballistic")? I don't see any reason to go ballistic. I can still operate CW on all the freqs I could before, In theory, yes. But in practice, how much CW operation actually happens in the US 'phone/image subbands? Practically none that I can hear. I've picked up some additional phone spectrum on a couple of crowded bands (hopefully in time for SS phone), and all my Novice and Tech (w/Morse test) friends gained a new bunch of HF spectrum. Yup. What's to "bo balistic" about? Nothing I can see. But there are some other things to consider: - I don't think FCC will do much with "regulation by bandwidth". This R&O reinforces the basic subbands-by-mode idea, and just moves the dividing line. - I don't think the FCC will do anything with CTT's "no subbands-by-mode" proposal, for the same reasons. - The available space for *data* modes is decreased. - The foreign 'phones will move even lower in the band, to get away from USA 'phone QRM. - We'll probably hear more "hi-fi SSB" and AM on 75 meters, because there will be more room for them. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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KØHB wrote: Iitoi wrote: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc Why will they go "balistic" (maybe you meant "ballistic")? Maybe he meant balistic? I can still operate CW on all the freqs I could before, I've picked up some additional phone spectrum on a couple of crowded bands (hopefully in time for SS phone), and all my Novice and Tech (w/Morse test) friends gained a new bunch of HF spectrum. Sounds like a win/win. |
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ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC |
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"Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Anyone got some of what he's smoking? |
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Might be he's toking down on some Hawaiian Salvia Divinorum....(google it) -ps there is a Salvia ng too..... "U-Know-Who" wrote in message ... "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Anyone got some of what he's smoking? |
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"U-Know-Who" wrote in
: "Slow Code" wrote in message nk.net... "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Anyone got some of what he's smoking? I smoke Marlboro, but you're not man enough to smoke'em. You should stick with your Virginia Slims. Make any CW contacts lately? SC |
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"Iitoi" wrote in message ink.net... 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. As a matter of fact, it encourages more CW use now that the Novices and Tech+ folks will be able to mingle and join the main CW activities. Dee, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. Well, actually there is. At present, 3500 to 3750 kHz is CW/data space - no 'phone or image. In that space, 3525 to 3750 is available to Generals, Advanceds and Extras. 3500-3525 is for Extras only. When the changes take effect, only 3500-3600 will be free of 'phone. The space available for data modes will be reduced from 250 kHz to 100 kHz for Extras, and from 225 to 75 kHz for Advanceds and Generals. Now it may come to pass that 3600-3750 is still used for CW by some Extras and Advanceds. But I think it is far more likely that those freqs will be used for 'phone, with CW being frowned upon. And they cannot be used for data. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message s.com... Dee Flint wrote: There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. Well, actually there is. At present, 3500 to 3750 kHz is CW/data space - no 'phone or image. In that space, 3525 to 3750 is available to Generals, Advanceds and Extras. 3500-3525 is for Extras only. When the changes take effect, only 3500-3600 will be free of 'phone. The space available for data modes will be reduced from 250 kHz to 100 kHz for Extras, and from 225 to 75 kHz for Advanceds and Generals. Now it may come to pass that 3600-3750 is still used for CW by some Extras and Advanceds. But I think it is far more likely that those freqs will be used for 'phone, with CW being frowned upon. And they cannot be used for data. 73 de Jim, N2EY Well yes that segment has been shortened a bit but on the whole, the changes should be beneficial. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth. On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.) Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets, RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular like" for the move. The Man in the Maze QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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What could be the harm to CW? The Man in the Maze QRM from Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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"Iitoi" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth. On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.) Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets, RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular like" for the move. The Man in the Maze QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ Still no problem for the CW ops. They can operate the entire band. This may be the band where they choose not to limit themselves to the traditional CW portion. Besides that, generally the only time the CW ops go as high as 3.600 is during a contest. Typically they stay between 3.500 and 3.550. So looking at the current ARRL band plan, they digital guys may end up moving down a bit but probably not clear down to the 3.550 but more likely to perhaps 3.560. Still though it may be the digital guys who feel a bit pinched. So while the CW ops probably will not go ballistic, the digital ops might. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Iitoi" wrote in message ink.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth. On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. (Of course you could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.) Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets, RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, and the W1AW bulldozer. What few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular like" for the move. The Man in the Maze QRX from Baboquivari Peak, AZ By the way, the Canadian phone nets will not need to move. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Iitoi" wrote in message ... Dee Flint Wrote: There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. Imagine this. Imagine all the CW and digital NTS traffic nets that now operate in the 150KHz between 3600 and 3750, relocated down to the 75KHz between 3525 and 3600. Imagine all the PSK and RTTY operators also relocated down there. Imagine the Canadian SSB nets migrating down there to avoid the US extras and Advanced. Imagine the folks already operating there welcoming them with open arms --- NOT!. Then imagine it is a domestic contest weekend, like SS or FD! What could be the harm to CW? The Man in the Maze QRM from Baboquivari Peak, AZ CW ops can carry on as before since that is legal in all parts of the band. They may now choose to spread out a bit instead of staying in the traditional area. Same with the NTS CW traffic nets. It will be the digital guys who feel cramped. Sweepstakes (voice) and FD only occur once a year each so not a significan issue. Besides that, FD is all modes so the bands get nearly full top to bottom anyway. Dee, N8UZE |
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Iitoi wrote: Dee Flint Wrote: There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. Imagine this. Imagine all the CW and digital NTS traffic nets that now operate in the 150KHz between 3600 and 3750, relocated down to the 75KHz between 3525 and 3600. Imagine all the PSK and RTTY operators also relocated down there. Imagine the Canadian SSB nets migrating down there to avoid the US extras and Advanced. Imagine the folks already operating there welcoming them with open arms --- NOT!. Then imagine it is a domestic contest weekend, like SS or FD! What could be the harm to CW? In a sense the 3600Khz "band edge" simply "aligns" the traditional 80M CW operating space with those spaces on 40 & 20. Both of which are ~100Khz wide as will be the case on 80. The sky never fell on 40 and 20 CW and it won't fall on 80 CW either. w3rv The Man in the Maze QRM from Baboquivari Peak, AZ -- Iitoi |
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Have a look at your Net Directory. By my count there are nearly a thousand net sessions weekly in the 3600-3750 segment, mostly NTS/public service/traffic handlers/emergency training/CW training. This band segment (popular over all others with nets) was chosen for some very specific reasons, not the least of which because NVIS provides excellent and reliable short-to-mid-range characteristics not common on any other band. FCC has chosen to relocate all those beneficial users below 3600, and give that space to the Extras and Advanced phone users complaining about their lumbago and hemerroids, the "Liberty Knet", and similar 'high value' uses. 80m phone has long been known as the cesspool of HF ham radio, and the FCC has chosen to almost double it's allocation. Now isn't that interesting! The Man in the Maze QRL on Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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"Dee Flint" wrote Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. As others here have pointed out, the current cw/rtty/data 225kHz segment between 3525-3750 is being compressed to just 75kHz between 3525-3600. That's a 3:1 compression ratio. Now before you start your chant about "CW can transmit anywhere", consider that this R&O puts 25% of the 75/80m band in the exclusive hands of Extras and another 20% in the exclusive hands of Extra/Advanced. So almost half of the band isn't available under *any mode* to Generals. As Iitoi pointed out, 80m CW has long been a hotbed of public service and traffic handling nets (which depend on Generals for manpower) --- good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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In a sense the 3600Khz "band edge" simply "aligns" the traditional 80M CW operating space with those spaces on 40 & 20. Both of which are ~100Khz wide as will be the case on 80. The sky never fell on 40 and 20 CW and it won't fall on 80 CW either. Apples and cumquats, Brian. Do ALL the math..... 80m 3.5-3.6 CW/rtty/data = 100kc 40m 7.0-7.125 CW/rtty/data = 125kc 20m 14.0-14.15 CW/rtty/data = 150kc 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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On 40 (including the latest change) CW/rtty/data get 125kHz (42% of the band) On 20 CW/rtty/data get 150kHz (43% of the band) On 75/80 (the widest of the three bands in your "alignment" comparison) CW/rtty/data get a mere 100kHz (20%) of the band. If you consider the ~42% on 40/20 as a "fair share" for CW/rtty/data, then 42% on 80m would put the CW/rtty/data "band edge" just above 3700, fully twice as much space as this partially-baked R&O gives them. Even K1ZZ could have put a better spin on this than you and the lady from Michigan are doing! The Man in the Maze QRV on Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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On 80m (the band in question), Generals (the largest class of HF ops) are now excluded from almost half the band. No CW (or any other mode) for them 3.5-3.525, 3.6-3.8mHz. (Not to mention the newly-enfranchised Novice/Tech+ who really only gained a meager 25kHz on this band.) The Man in the Maze QSY on Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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CW ops are worried about SS CW, CQWW CW, ARRLDX CW, NAQP, WPX CW, CW-etc, etc. Then consider the hundreds of CW and rtty/data net sessions who up until now have been able to 'hide' up around 3.650 and above on all those contest weekends. Are ostriches native to Michigan? The Man in the Maze QRO on Baboquivari Peak, AZ |
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KØHB wrote: wrote In a sense the 3600Khz "band edge" simply "aligns" the traditional 80M CW operating space with those spaces on 40 & 20. Both of which are ~100Khz wide as will be the case on 80. The sky never fell on 40 and 20 CW and it won't fall on 80 CW either. Apples and cumquats, Brian. Do ALL the math..... 80m 3.5-3.6 CW/rtty/data = 100kc 40m 7.0-7.125 CW/rtty/data = 125kc 20m 14.0-14.15 CW/rtty/data = 150kc The raw numbers don't mean a thing without taking into account the other differences in the three bands. Specifically the differences in the volume of activity per Khz per hour. Doesn't take much tuning around the lower 100 Khz of each of the three bands to come to the conclusion that the overall levels of activity on 40 & 20 are some multiples of the level of activity on 80 and it's been that way since before Hector was a pup. For the most part 80 is a great place to indulge in pleasant in-country ragchews because there's seldom any DX cw, DX SSB or foreign broadcast activity audible on 80 vs. all the QRM 40 & 20 So on this basis I'll stick: The little amount of 80M CW and data activity which is found now above 3.600 will easily fit below 3.600 if they chose to move and they'll still have more "elbow room" than we've ever had on 40 & 20. And no I'm not bleeding for the CW traffic nets either, they lost their relevance on VJ day. 73, de Hans, K0HB w3rv |
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KØHB wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. As others here have pointed out, the current cw/rtty/data 225kHz segment between 3525-3750 is being compressed to just 75kHz between 3525-3600. That's a 3:1 compression ratio. Now before you start your chant about "CW can transmit anywhere", consider that this R&O puts 25% of the 75/80m band in the exclusive hands of Extras and another 20% in the exclusive hands of Extra/Advanced. So almost half of the band isn't available under *any mode* to Generals. As Iitoi pointed out, 80m CW has long been a hotbed of public service and traffic handling nets (which depend on Generals for manpower) --- good luck on this one now! Somebody somewhere wrote "This is Incentive Licensing all over again". 73, de Hans, K0HB w3rv |
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"KØHB" wrote in message nk.net... "Dee Flint" wrote Why? There is nothing there that is harmful to CW in the least. As others here have pointed out, the current cw/rtty/data 225kHz segment between 3525-3750 is being compressed to just 75kHz between 3525-3600. That's a 3:1 compression ratio. Now before you start your chant about "CW can transmit anywhere", consider that this R&O puts 25% of the 75/80m band in the exclusive hands of Extras and another 20% in the exclusive hands of Extra/Advanced. So almost half of the band isn't available under *any mode* to Generals. As Iitoi pointed out, 80m CW has long been a hotbed of public service and traffic handling nets (which depend on Generals for manpower) --- good luck on this one now! 73, de Hans, K0HB Good reason to upgrade then. After reading the various FCC items, it looks like they really want people to upgrade clear to the top license anyway. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. Good reason to upgrade then. Ah, yes...... "let them eat cake" 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"KØHB" wrote in message link.net... "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. Good reason to upgrade then. Ah, yes...... "let them eat cake" 73, de Hans, K0HB Not really. Based on everything that I have read, the object of having a series of license classes was so that people could take the journey in smaller, more manageable steps. It does not seem like it was intended that people would only go part way and say "good enough". I have recently elmered a woman to her Extra class license. She had no technical background and little to no experience in amateur radio even though she had a license (she never really got active). She passed with flying colors. So any one can do it if they so choose. By the way she is now quite active in the club, is getting on the air, and she will be joining me to participate in the November Sweeps. While we will try for the Clean Sweep, our main goal is to get all states so she can apply for WAS. Dee, N8UZE |
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Dee Flint wrote:
Based on everything that I have read, the object of having a series of license classes was so that people could take the journey in smaller, more manageable steps. It does not seem like it was intended that people would only go part way and say "good enough". I have recently elmered a woman to her Extra class license. She had no technical background and little to no experience in amateur radio even though she had a license (she never really got active). She passed with flying colors. So any one can do it if they so choose. By the way she is now quite active in the club, is getting on the air, and she will be joining me to participate in the November Sweeps. While we will try for the Clean Sweep, our main goal is to get all states so she can apply for WAS. All good stuff - but that's not really the issue. I'm all for multiple license classes, incentives, increasing privileges, etc. But I think the problem K0HB is pointing out has to do with how those incentives are generated. It's one thing to generate incentive by offering more privileges than you have now. It's a very different thing to generate incentive by taking away some privileges, then requiring an upgrade to get them back. Right now all Generals and Advanceds (something like 200,000 amateurs) can use 3600-3750 for CW/data. After the new rules, they will not be able to use those freqs at all. Yes, they gain 3800-3850, but that's a gain of 50 kHz phone/image for a loss of 150.kHz CW/data. Or look at it percentagewise. Right now, Generals have access to 3525-3750 and 3850-4000. That's 375 kHz total - 75% of the total band. They have access to 90% of the non-phone bandspace and 60% of the 'phone bandspace. After the change, Generals will have access to 3525-3600 and 3800-4000. That's 275 kHz total - 55% of the total band. They will have access to 75% of the non-phone bandspace and 50% of the 'phone bandspace. Back in the 1960s, the thing that ticked off some hams was not that the idea of upgrading. It was the idea that the "incentive" to upgrade came from having existing privileges taken away, rather than new ones added. History repeats. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message oups.com... Dee Flint wrote: Based on everything that I have read, the object of having a series of license classes was so that people could take the journey in smaller, more manageable steps. It does not seem like it was intended that people would only go part way and say "good enough". [snip] I'm all for multiple license classes, incentives, increasing privileges, etc. But I think the problem K0HB is pointing out has to do with how those incentives are generated. It's one thing to generate incentive by offering more privileges than you have now. It's a very different thing to generate incentive by taking away some privileges, then requiring an upgrade to get them back. Right now all Generals and Advanceds (something like 200,000 amateurs) can use 3600-3750 for CW/data. After the new rules, they will not be able to use those freqs at all. Yes, they gain 3800-3850, but that's a gain of 50 kHz phone/image for a loss of 150.kHz CW/data. Or look at it percentagewise. Right now, Generals have access to 3525-3750 and 3850-4000. That's 375 kHz total - 75% of the total band. They have access to 90% of the non-phone bandspace and 60% of the 'phone bandspace. After the change, Generals will have access to 3525-3600 and 3800-4000. That's 275 kHz total - 55% of the total band. They will have access to 75% of the non-phone bandspace and 50% of the 'phone bandspace. Back in the 1960s, the thing that ticked off some hams was not that the idea of upgrading. It was the idea that the "incentive" to upgrade came from having existing privileges taken away, rather than new ones added. History repeats. 73 de Jim, N2EY I certainly agree that no one should lose privileges. Let's hope that was a mistake and not intentional. And if it was a mistake that they fix it soon. I've seen some info on the ARRL site where they are seeking clarification of the R & O. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote Based on everything that I have read, the object of having a series of license classes was so that people could take the journey in smaller, more manageable steps. That's all well and good --- and if each "manageable step" has a corresponding increase in privilege, we could call that "Incentive Licensing". But what we have here (and had in the 1960's) is "Dis-incentive Licensing" --- that's when you climb to a certain step (let's say "General") to enjoy a level of privs. Then along comes an FCC R&O which knocks away some of those privs and requires you to take another test in order to regain what you lost. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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"KØHB" wrote in message link.net... "Dee Flint" wrote Based on everything that I have read, the object of having a series of license classes was so that people could take the journey in smaller, more manageable steps. That's all well and good --- and if each "manageable step" has a corresponding increase in privilege, we could call that "Incentive Licensing". But what we have here (and had in the 1960's) is "Dis-incentive Licensing" --- that's when you climb to a certain step (let's say "General") to enjoy a level of privs. Then along comes an FCC R&O which knocks away some of those privs and requires you to take another test in order to regain what you lost. 73, de Hans, K0HB As I remarked to N2EY, let's hope that was a mistake and that they fix it. I agree they shouldn't lose privileges. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote As I remarked to N2EY, let's hope that was a mistake and that they fix it. I agree they shouldn't lose privileges. There's nothing in the 46-page R&O to make it look accidental or inadvertent. 73, de Hans, K0HB |
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@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com: KØHB wrote: Iitoi wrote: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc Why will they go "balistic" (maybe you meant "ballistic")? I don't see any reason to go ballistic. I can still operate CW on all the freqs I could before, In theory, yes. But in practice, how much CW operation actually happens in the US 'phone/image subbands? Practically none that I can hear. I've picked up some additional phone spectrum on a couple of crowded bands (hopefully in time for SS phone), and all my Novice and Tech (w/Morse test) friends gained a new bunch of HF spectrum. Yup. What's to "bo balistic" about? Nothing I can see. But there are some other things to consider: - I don't think FCC will do much with "regulation by bandwidth". This R&O reinforces the basic subbands-by-mode idea, and just moves the dividing line. - I don't think the FCC will do anything with CTT's "no subbands-by-mode" proposal, for the same reasons. - The available space for *data* modes is decreased. - The foreign 'phones will move even lower in the band, to get away from USA 'phone QRM. - We'll probably hear more "hi-fi SSB" and AM on 75 meters, because there will be more room for them. 73 de Jim, N2EY The foreign phone ops won't be able to move lower to escape us on 80, as we have been given the whole phone subband. OK, in some countries the CW subband isn't obligatory, but I doubt if they will go down there. One down, three more to go (40, 20 and 15). True we got 25kHz more phone on 40, which I am grateful for, but that's still well short of what any other country has, and on 15 only the subbands for the lower classes moved, not the bottom edge of phone. Of course, on 20 there was no change, as there was no Novice subband to begin with. 73 de Alun, N3KIP |
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Iitoi wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. I particularly like the Novice/Tech+ getting more CW bandwidth. On 80m they used to have 50kHz pretty much to themselves. Yep, and that was just the problem. They were there pretty much by themselves. Oh, you heard the stories about the benevolent Extras cruising by and handing out that first QSO like Santa Claus in the Macy's Parade tossing candy to the kiddies, but those were just stories. (Of course you could have dropped a bucket of grenades on 3675-3725 and never touched a single Novice or Tech 99% of the time.) Litpoi wants to kill off the Novices and Tech plusses with a bucket of grenades. Now they'll have 75kHz on 80m, (a whopping increase of 25kHz) and they'll have That's a 50% increase. In any other context, N2EY would claim that 3% was ultra-significant. I guess different people have different ideas about what is significant. to share it with a host of ****ed-off displaced traffic nets, CW traffic nets? Don't kid yourself. They can look at it as a recruitment opportunity. Best thing that ever happened to them. RTTY/data operators, all the other Generals who were already there, probably some displaced Canadian phone nets, Out of the FCC's jurisdiction. and the W1AW bulldozer. Well within the FCC's jurisdiction. Or you could look at the bright side. When W1AW asks if the frequency is in use, the Novice could answer, "Yes, but we've never have mattered." What few who migrate down there (I deem it less than 2 dozen anyhow) may not share your "particular like" for the move. Fair enough. The ARRL told the FCC to get off the pot and address the petitions. They did. |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
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@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.net: "Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Like a frog in a pot of water that's raised to boiling point, one day us real hams will find we have to place to communicate on the ham bands that doesn't sound like Citizens Band. SC Here's a reality check. On 80m the rest of the world, except Canada, has always had phone down to 3600 as far back as I can remember, and we are merely joining them. The VE phone ops still have to stay above 3700, I think. On 40m the international bandplans have phone down to 7040 except in Region 3 where it is 7030. The only countries that I know of where you can't use phone down to 7040 are Mexico (7050) and the USA (now 7125 after the change). US hams outside Region 2 have had phone down to 7075 for years, and I am on record as suggesting that we should have that in the mainland US. It's hard to see why not when you actually look at what the rest of the world is doing. At the same time countries in Region 1 aren't supposed to get access to 7100-7200 until the middle of 2007. Many of them already have, but for those that haven't, a phone subband that goes down to 7125 still doesn't even reach the top edge of their whole band. Doubtless some of them will be late in implementing the extra spectrum, so forced split working will drag on a while longer. How would you like it if your 40m CW allocation were on frequencies that were off limits to the DX? On 20m and 15m we still have 50 kHz less phone on each band than all other countries. Although General and Advanced got bigger phone subbands on 15 (as well as 80 and 40), the bottom edge of phone didn't move on 15 (or 20). 73 de Alun, N3KIP (20wpm Extra, 100% phone op) |
CW-forever Guys are gonna go balistic!
Slow Code wrote:
"Iitoi" wrote in ink.net: 80M and 40M phone band expansion http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_publi...C-06-149A1.doc I don't know if we'll get Mad right away but it's clear the FCC and the ARRL want to drive all good hams out of the service. Little by little they'll take away the non-phone portions of the bands and hand it over to the phone users. Nonsense. The CW bands are not exactly overcrowded (or have you been listening there). 73, Phil w7ox |
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