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wrote: On 20 Dec 2006 17:36:40 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make Miccolis admit to doing wrong. Miccolis "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. There really isn't anything new to comment on here or to "address"...It's the hate-hams against the pro-hams, and that's all that can be said. guess you did not read the thread before you decided to contiue you trashathon Sure I did, fatboy. And LIKE I SAID..."nothing new"... Same ole-same-oh.... Steve, K4YZ |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make Miccolis admit to doing wrong. Miccolis "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. Jim certainly gives that impression. I wonder where he got that rose-colored mirror? There really isn't anything new to comment on here or to "address"...It's the hate-hams against the pro-hams, and that's all that can be said. In Robesin-Land, everything is reduced to a hostile action. Lennie is still licenseless and unlikely to obtain a license even under the new rules about to hit the street. I haven't spoken to him about it, but I think he'll get one. My guess is he'll start out as an Extra and move up from there. His attacks are still anti-Amateur Radio in general and anti-Amateur operators in particular and will never be any different. He pokes fun at the things that should be poked at. You, for instance. And as far as being anti-Amateur, you have done more to harm the ARS as an insider (Extra), than Len ever could as an outsider. Congratulations. Your Army Recruiter/Sailor Dad would be proud. Brain's too wound up in trying to have ONE friend here that he keeps slapping Lennie on the back all-the-while Lennie's trying to slip a knife into his. Really? More Robesin-Land hostile action reductionisms, I see. You're just plain wrong. I have no trouble making friends, and Len has no knife at my back. Do you have any other untruths to tell? Ho hum.... Steve, K4YZ Gho hum yourself. |
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Jim Hampton wrote: wrote in message ps.com... Jim Hampton wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the license. Will that make you a Novice? Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun :D There are no speed limits for Novices, but there are for higher class hams who have IDers on repeaters. Yes, there are limits on the speeds of *IDs* on a repeater. There are no limits should someone decide to use F2 (or whatever one wishes to call it these days) on a repeater LOL. You may be aware of the meteor burst cw stuff going on at a few *hundred* words per minute, but I'm talking manual reception of CW. The Jan07 issue of QST featured software allowing an OP to manually copy Morse Code beyond the present highs of 147WPM. It goes up to 200WPM. I can't claim to run 50 words per minute anymore, but I don't have much trouble at 35. Besides, the callsign would not make me a novice. The novice class is closed to new applicants. I can apply, however, for a vanity sign as a former call sign holder :D I ditched my novice call as soon as I could. At 5WPM and putting out a 3x call, it took about 3 weeks to send CQ. Believe me, I hit one guy big time who was screaming that only cw operators are the good guys. I hit him with 40 plus words per minute F-2 on the WB2KAO repeater in Rochester, NY (with permission from the repeater owner who just happened to be in the group LOL) :)) Did he copy? 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - I run from 5 words per minute to a bit over 7 .... quite a bit :)) Fair enough. |
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wrote: On 22 Dec 2006 04:08:10 -0800, wrote: wrote: On 21 Dec 2006 16:20:38 -0800, wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make Miccolis admit to doing wrong. Miccolis "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. Jim certainly gives that impression. I wonder where he got that rose-colored mirror? There really isn't anything new to comment on here or to "address"...It's the hate-hams against the pro-hams, and that's all that can be said. In Robesin-Land, everything is reduced to a hostile action. excuse eveything is reduced to rubble by hostile action Lennie is still licenseless and unlikely to obtain a license even under the new rules about to hit the street. I haven't spoken to him about it, but I think he'll get one. My guess is he'll start out as an Extra and move up from there. very likely but in nay event Len has to right fufill his civic duty as he sees if he chooses His attacks are still anti-Amateur Radio in general and anti-Amateur operators in particular and will never be any different. He pokes fun at the things that should be poked at. You, for instance. And as far as being anti-Amateur, you have done more to harm the ARS as an insider (Extra), than Len ever could as an outsider. Congratulations. Your Army Recruiter/Sailor Dad would be proud. and no doubt steve will keep right doing it Until his ISP shuts him down... beyond that most likely he will get another ISP and complain I am responible for HIS troubles Brain's too wound up in trying to have ONE friend here that he keeps slapping Lennie on the back all-the-while Lennie's trying to slip a knife into his. Really? More Robesin-Land hostile action reductionisms, I see. You're just plain wrong. I have no trouble making friends, and Len has no knife at my back. Do you have any other untruths to tell? lots of em but he ran out having used them on me today did you catch robeson saying that THIS is what is doing for a vacation I really think he should switch to Captial One And they say that Hams don't have a life... Where do they ever get those crazy ideas about hams. from the orange vest guys and steve oh was that a redenat statement He's probably got a police badge with his callsign on it like they advertise in QST. |
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From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. :-) What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Ahem...three things as I saw them, Brian: 1. That "they [FCC] MIGHT just as well eliminate writtens" was such a COMMON rejoinder by pro-coders that it became another myth in the minds of the 1930s-standards-retro folk. To them everything was about the code test. That's not true about me. Like Dee a couple of weeks ago, it's what "other hams" were saying. Tsk, nobody admits to the "follow-on" of "[they] might just as well eliminate the writtens." :-) Give us an exact quote, Len. I don't think you can. Nobody admits to having written that so - in their mind - they never wrote it. :-) Then show where they did write it. Google never forgets. by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. Len is no Elder of the Church of Saint Hiram. Heh heh heh...I'm more like good old Marty Luther, he what hammered up his Theses on the front doors of his church. Sounds like you have delusions of grandeur, Len. For all your hundreds of pages of commentary to FCC, they did not cite any of your arguments or facts in the recent Report and Order. All you got was your name in the comment list, same as me and several others. Tsk, tsk, was merely some germ plasm when I first fired up a KW on HF So what? If I were older than you, would it make any difference? Why, if pinned to the wall by someone, he will self-righteously (and in 'outrage') demand for 'proof' by going into thousands upon thousands of old, old Google archives and copying the 'proof.' [AS IF this was evidenciary in some mythical court of law] The facts are what they are. You don't seem to like facts, Len, if they disprove your cherished opinions. "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Raygun Brian, I think it should be worded "some stupids think they know 'facts'" but those 'facts' are just very selected little items of information which said stupids then use to make their point. Erroneous use of such selected quanta. IOW, you don't have any proof at all. 3. Several others well back before 1998 were using the general remark of "if the code test is eliminated, then the writtens will be 'next' because it 'follows the progression.'" That has already happened. In 2000, the *written* testing for the three classes of license still available was reduced significantly. Yet the QP can be increased infinitely. uses "reduced 'significantly'" as if the "significant" amounted to nearly half. NEVER so. Well, let's see: IIRC: Before the 2000 restructuring: Technician required 2 written tests totalling 65 questions General required 3 written tests totalling 100 questions Extra required 5 written tests totalling 190 questions After the 2000 restructuring: Technician requires 1 written test totalling 35 questions. That's a 50% reduction in the number of tests and a 46% reduction in the number of questions. General requires 2 written tests totalling 70 questions. That's a 33% reduction in the number of tests and a 30% reduction in the number of questions. Extra requires 3 written tests totalling 120 questions. That's a 40% reduction in the number of tests and a 37% reduction in the number of questions. He exaggerates more than "significantly." :-) No exaggeration. [Out of 41 pages of FCC 06-178, only 20 pages concern the R&O itself...the remaining half is a listing of ALL who commented on the NPRM... Yet FCC never quoted anything you wrote, Len. if read, really read, not just skimming, even a tenth of those comments, I would be surprised... Why? I read ALL of them and keep them on a CD] So what? As far as a "statistical fact," cribbed right from Joe Speroni's website, inferring he did the stat summary No, that's not true at all. You assumed what was neither stated nor implied. (after the fact) but he never did a day-by-day collection and running status of opinions as I did (posting them in this newsgroup). The significant facts a 1) Nobody checked your work. 2) The details of your count are kept secret. For example, if the same person submitted several different comments, did you count each comment, or just the submitter? 3) The AH0A tabulation showed a detailed breakdown by comment submitter, and told how duplicates were counted. You did not. And now the big one: *Both* your count and the AH0A count showed majority support for the retention of at least some code testing. But you want the majority to be pushed aside and the minority to rule. As a point of FACT, Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. has included the rule ONLY ON A MINIMUM NUMBER of questions in the written test pool. That since privatized testing began. At present, the VEC Question Pool Committee ONLY makes the MINIMUM number of questions. There's NO LIMIT on what the VEC QPC could legally and rightly produce, plus no real problem on distribution of the QP to outlying VEC locations electronically. But there *is* a limit on the size of the actual exams. And that size was significantly reduced in 2000. Yet that wasn't enough for some. At least one recent proposal (NCVEC's second proposal) claimed the 35 question multiple-choice Technician was 'too hard' and that a new license class with even less *written* testing is needed. The Technician License is not entry level. Yes, it is. True. False. Never was the intention of that Class. Tell it to FCC. They think Technician is just right for the entry level license class. However, its growth (since 1991) has been so enormous that it is way more populous than any other US amateur radio license class. Lots of folks have been calling the Tech license "entry level" because that is what it has become in recent years. The FCC has repeatedly turned down proposals to add license classes. Tell *them* Technician isn't "entry level". picked up on that, reworded it, but repeated it...apparently making certain he couldn't be found 'guilty' of EXACT wording. Show us. It's what you do. Poor he's been sipping at the sour grapes again. :-) "Outraged" always DEMANDS that any challenger (to his noble-godlike opinions) SHOW EVERYONE EXACTLY where wrote something in the past. If we don't bother with redux-infinity quoting His Words, he feels "vindicated" (if not smug and triumphant). [see, he never wrote anything that his accusers say he did...therefore he never did!] :-) IOW, you cannot back up your claims. You misattribute, then try to blame others. Google never forgets. Pointing out that the written requirements have been reduced is not the same thing as advocating a 'no test' amateur radio service. Not the same thing at all. as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the code exam is gone. I'm as pro-code-test as they come, and I do not think that at all. And the Morse Code test in the USA isn't gone yet. It will take a few weeks at most for the bureaucratic wheels to turn and make the change effective. See how many you can recruit before it goes away. Anyone should be able to learn 5WPM and take a 13-15WPM exam in a couple of weeks, right? AB-SO-LUTELY sayeth all the pro-coders, practically en masse. :-) The pro-coders did it so "everybody" can do it! Almost everybody. As usual, the morsemen think of themselves as Role Model for the US amateur radio service. As such, they had all the courage/gumption/smarts/aptitude to be extra-super-special morsemen. All who didn't do as They did are "lazy" and/or "stupid." :-) Your words - not mine. If the times were of the 1930s and 1940s they would be correct. However, we are living now 70+ years AFTER that time. Has there been no use of Morse Code since the 1940s? To the pro-coders EVERYTHING in amateur radio was about morse code use, venerating the mode of on-off keying CW, and generally making them "masters of the radio waves" by their skill at a DEFUNCT radio communications mode once championed in the 1930s and 1940s. Not true at all. There's a lot to amateur radio besides Morse Code. Which is not 'defunct' at all. ...a few weeks. Morse code won't be defunct in a few weeks. USES morse code regularly. He champions that singular mode. What's wrong with that? Is that the "doing wrong" you referred to earlier? He must feel that "all" amateurs must do as he does and is ****ed that all do NOT. Tsk, tsk. Oh no, Len. I don't feel that way at all. You are mistaken - again. Tsk, tsk. The VEC QPC has made up ALL the written test elements for years but not a single pro-coder seems to admit to ever contacting the VEC QPC about that content...at least not in here. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Not everyone brags on and on like you, Len ;-) Ahem, seven hostile actions... I've never claimed such. Tsk, is doing the finger-pointing misdirection thing again...and FAILING to acknowledge his 'brethren' in the code wars who (almost daily) commit atrocities of personal insults and BRAGS of things they can't prove. So what? I don't see you acknowedging your anticode "brethren" here either. I'm not responsible for what others post here. Only what I post here. You don't seem to want to be responsible for what you post here, Len. If you are really only against the *test*, what's wrong with *using* Morse Code? It's perfectly legal. Of course it is legal. But INFERRED that no-code- test advocates were "against the USE" of morse code. Where did I infer that? Show us. All the pro-coders were using the rationalization about the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) and the 'necessity' to keep code testing. Forever. What's wrong with wanting to keep a good thing? I thought it was the ITU rule that was the stumbling block? Actually, Radio Regulation S25...most of it got revised 3 1/2 years ago at WRC-03. That included the artifact of all nations having to test radio amateur license applicants for morse code ability for any license privileges below 30 MHz. The IARU promoted it. ARRL did NOT. And that is historical fact of 3 1/2 years ago. What's your point in all that, Len? "Forever" is about to cease. The "End of the World As They Know It" is about to happen. Their sky will fall. Chickens Little will scamper about, shouting epithets and nastywords at evil, loathsome no-coders and the "failure" to "keep standards high"..."standards" that have been drilled into their psyches for decades by the Elders of Newington. No, not at all. "Slow Code" is an artifact from the chicken little syndrome. Wince Ficus is one story, is another. Both have been brainwashed and don't see it (conditioned thinking leaves that impression on the washed brains). Not agreeing with you doesn't mean someone is "brainwashed". It's just another bad decision by FCC. A good decision. Not at all. It is MODERNIZATION of some of the many USA civil radio regulations. No, it's just a bad decision. By now Part 97 might be entering the world of about 1970... :-) Was anyone using Morse Code in 1970, Len? They make some good decisions and some bad decisions. True enough. And the Code Free HF license with almost exclusively CW priveleges is an artifact of the piecemeal approach that the FCC uses WRT the ARS. Good point, Brian. However, that came into being several years ago as a result of some relatively obscure lobbying efforts of some pro-coders. No, that's not true at all. The FCC appeased those lobbyists by creating the code-only 6 and 2 meter band slivers. ?? Those are not HF. And they are decades old. Do you think their BPL decisions are good ones? No. Do you? Tsk, more diversion from the subject. Broadband over Power Lines is NOT under discussion. BPL has NOTHING to do with code testing. It has everything to do with FCC's making bad decisions. I've been gone for a few days, didn't hear about it until late Friday night and then only in a casual remark over a telephone call. Got on a friend's computer and saw that the End of Code Testing was the #1 news item on the FCC home page. [it doesn't appear on the Amateur page under Wireless Bureau, but then little happens there in keeping up to date] Wonder upon wonders! :-) Guess who broke the news here on rrap, Len, by starting this thread? "QUOTE 2. by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. "UNQUOTE ...and self-praise Was it wrong-doing to break the news on rrap? The MEDIA NOTICE was posted on 15 Dec 06 and the R&O text was posted on 19 Dec 06...on the FCC website. It was there for all to see whenever they could get to that website. Some of us (in fact, MOST of us) also do other things and don't "live" in the ham bands nor have adopted some kind of Lifestyle of Everything Evolves Around Amateur Radio. I think you're just ticked at being scooped on the Big News, Len. Okay, now I'm reflecting about the GLORY of the democratic process in petitioning our government for a redress of grievances. IT WORKS! Not really. Seems to. The majority is overruled means it works?? Seems that way to me, too. I'm still a believer in the form of government we Americans have in the USA. So if the minority overrules the majority, that's OK with you? An agency of our government believed the words of our citizens in wanting change and is about to rule on that change. A majority of those who commented on the Morse Code test issue wanted at least *some* Morse Code testing to remain. The majority did *not* want complete elimination. Leadership doesn't mean taking a poll. DECISIONS on Reports and Orders aren't made by 'votes' on who comments on what and for which 'side.' All those DECISIONS in FCC 06-178 are clearly and unambiguously stated by the FCC in that Report and Order. [by the way, Brian, you are mentioned in it, footnote 48 on Page 8...:-) ] Report and Order DECISIONS are influenced by the REASONS presented by commenters (to NPRM 05-143). "Reasons" that have become mythos in US amateur radio of the 1930s do NOT necessarily apply in the year 2006. So what the majority wanted doesn't matter? If so, why did you bother to count the comments, Len? Yet FCC ignored the majority and will completely eliminate Morse Code testing very soon. Explain how ignoring the majority means "IT WORKS". "Serves no regulatory purpose" was the key point. There are several key points and brought out by the FCC in 06-178. All of which are simply FCC's opinion overruling the majority. CHANGE will happen, despite the former ruling party of pro-coders' spitting and snarling about "spamming" the government with "anti- ham" attitudes wanting the code test gone. :-) Your wordy piles of commentary to FCC amounted to spam, Len, and probably slowed down the process. "Wha, wha, whaaaa" cried the imbiber of whine of sour grapes. Tsk, tsk. There were some 3900 (give or take) commenters on NPRM 05-143 and all are listed on Pages 21 to 41 of 06-178. Only ONE of them is me. :-) On more reflections, FCC 99-412, the R&O establishing the Restructuring of 2000, was released on 30 Dec 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC releases the R&O on code testing elimination about that same date...the news release (not a law, just a 'media advisory') was done on 15 Dec 2006, almost 7 years later. I think of it as a Christmas Present or the Start of a New Era along with a New Year. Glory in Excelsus! The announcement was made at the end of the business day on a Friday. That way FCC doesn't have to deal with the responses right away. I wonder if the emnergency rooms across the nation were deluged with stroke victims? :-) Not hardly. However, morsemen DO experience some strange "hardening of the arteries" supplying their brains. Few are able to think beyond the 1930s and 1940s' standards and practices in AMATEUR radio. :-) Modernization is Happening in US amateur radio. Regs are finally catching up to late-1900s standards! [catching up, they will be approaching 1980 when the code elimination R&O is released] Did amateurs stop using Morse Code in 1980, Len? They could have. But they did not. tried to DIVERT the subject again. One of the basic parts of FCC 06-178 is the elimination of morse code TESTING. TESTING, not "use." The tests should be about what hams do. Hams use Morse Code. is loathe to admit that and inserts his little "bon mots" here and there to show "others" the error of their ways. :-) Well, you *do* make a lot of errors here, Len. A majority of "the People" did *not* want complete Morse Code test elimination, Len. FCC gave "the People" what they did not want. They sure didn't listen to the ARRL, thank God! Poor ..he thinks HE is "the people!" :-) The majority. Look at your own count of the comments. In a few days the official Report and Order will be released, and in a few weeks it will be effective. The only surprise is how long it has taken for FCC to make the change. Three and a half years since the treaty changed! Those darned treaties. How about that?!? :-) Them darn treaties just didn't give "the people" "what they wanted?!?" :-) Oh, my! So, the International Amateur Radio Union - who prompted for the S25 rewrite were "WRONG" in estimation? All the treaty change did was allow each country to decide for itself. How many countries have eliminated Morse Code testing for all amateur radio licenses? How many countries have retained at least some Morse Code testing for at least some amateur radio licenses? Sunnavagun! The "whole world" is "wrong" when the morse- men don't get their way! :-) "The whole world" hasn't changed their rules about Morse Code testing. And once the Morse Code test is completely gone, what will you do, Len? You won't have anything to carry on about on rrap anymore. Nor you. Sayonara. There are plenty of other issues for me to discuss. FCC 06-178 has NOT YET been published in the Federal Register (at least to 20 December 2006). Therefore nothing has changed in amateur radio up to that date. Sooner or later it *will* become effective. Then what will you have to carry on about, Len? |
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[in a LONG-winded Sore Loser Diatribe considerably edited for reply] wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. Len is no Elder of the Church of Saint Hiram. Heh heh heh...I'm more like good old Marty Luther, he what hammered up his Theses on the front doors of his church. Sounds like you have delusions of grandeur, Len. I'm a Lutheran, sweetums, ya gotta PROBLEM with that? :-) For all your hundreds of pages of commentary to FCC, they did not cite any of your arguments or facts in the recent Report and Order. All you got was your name in the comment list, same as me and several others. "Same as" several THOUSAND "others." NO problem to me. I got my words in, that's enough. It WORKED, didn't it? :-) Tsk, tsk, was merely some germ plasm when I first fired up a KW on HF So what? If I were older than you, would it make any difference? None. You already act older than me. :-) But, I "first fired up (a full gallon)" while in the military service of my country. You've NEVER served in the US military nor is there any indication you were EVER in the government of the USA as a civilian. Yet FCC never quoted anything you wrote, Len. NO problem to me. ALL my Comments to the FCC are in the public record. shrug Tsk, tsk, you are STILL bringing up my 14-page Comment on NPRM 99-143 that was accepted over 7 years ago...in here, trying (vainly) to make some kind of negative point about me. :-) You want to RE-argue the past? Fine. In future responses to such demands to re-argue past subjects, I'll just flip you the bird and write: *F*Y*D*I*T*M* ! :-) Poor guy, you never did find anything on the ByteBrothers, did you? :-) Ahem, seven hostile actions... I've never claimed such. You couldn't. You've never served your country in the military or in the government. Here's a hint: You could still join the Civil Air Patrol and "defend our skies!" Why, you might even get to be an OFFICER! :-) That supposedly worked for another extra. I don't see you acknowedging your anticode "brethren" here either. I don't have any "anticode" brethren. I HAVE acknowledged others who are No-Code-Test Advocates, abbreviated 'NCTA." I was NEVER advocating the elimination of morse code USE. If you want to USE a slow, archaic mode of communications then feel free. Nobody is stopping you. I'm not responsible for what others post here. Only what I post here. Oh my, a DISCLAIMER. :-) You don't seem to want to be responsible for what you post here, Len. There's NO "condition" on public posting, NO "need" to take some kind of "oath of responsibility." :-) One posts and that's that. Your wanting to go BACK and RE-argue OLD subjects, AS IF trying to "win" a point you lost back then is NOT in the area of "responsibility." It's just your sore-head LOSER kind of attitude...or a thinly-disguised attempt on your part to make some negative comment about a correspondent who is against your godly views of amateur radio policy. What's past is past. Live with it. Wince Ficus is one story, is another. Both have been brainwashed and don't see it (conditioned thinking leaves that impression on the washed brains). Not agreeing with you doesn't mean someone is "brainwashed". Repeating the "directives" from the ARRL and using the old, trite, tired propaganda (which you DO do) they've spouted on morsemanship DOES indicate your brainwashing. It's just another bad decision by FCC. A good decision. Not at all. It is MODERNIZATION of some of the many USA civil radio regulations. No, it's just a bad decision. Oh, my...sipping from the Whine of Sour Grapes are you? Tsk, the FCC didn't decide the way YOU wanted them to so now they've made a "bad" decision! :-) Sounds like YOU are having the "delusions of grandeur" while play-acting the Ultimate Judge on What Will Be! The FCC made a decision, announced it, even made the R&O public (FCC 06-178). That's going to be IT when it goes into the Federal Register. The MEDIA NOTICE was posted on 15 Dec 06 and the R&O text was posted on 19 Dec 06...on the FCC website. It was there for all to see whenever they could get to that website. Some of us (in fact, MOST of us) also do other things and don't "live" in the ham bands nor have adopted some kind of Lifestyle of Everything Evolves Around Amateur Radio. I think you're just ticked at being scooped on the Big News, Len. I think you're just a SORE LOSER. I was away from the house and computer contact for most of 15 Dec 06. I don't pretend to be a "journalist" or "reporter." And, if I use data from someplace else, I attribute to the source, not some cribbing from another pro-coder's website without mention of the source. tried to DIVERT the subject again. One of the basic parts of FCC 06-178 is the elimination of morse code TESTING. TESTING, not "use." The tests should be about what hams do. Hams use Morse Code. Hams use VOICE and DATA (many kinds) in the majority, yet there has NEVER been any manual-operation TEST for those modes. The TESTS should be what the FCC considers. The FCC is the regulating agency for USA civil radio, not Miccolis. The FCC grants licenses, not Miccolis, not the ARRL, not some morseman. Now quit being such a SORE LOSER. All your long, windy negative comments against others are NOT going to change a thing. Go argue with the FCC. Sue them if you feel you've been so "wronged" and "emotionally upset." Well, you *do* make a lot of errors here, Len. Only in the eyes of some rabid morseman eager to negate any comments by an NCTA. :-) All the treaty change did was allow each country to decide for itself. Radio Regulations S25, not the "treaty." The actualy TREATY with the ITU was agreed to by the USA many years ago. Gee, for such a stickler for "accuracy" you sure made a blooper there! :-) And once the Morse Code test is completely gone, what will you do, Len? You won't have anything to carry on about on rrap anymore. Nor you. Sayonara. There are plenty of other issues for me to discuss. And you WILL discuss them, treating this newsgroup like your own personal blog...including all sorts of subjects that have absolutely NOTHING to do with amateur radio or even radio in the generic sense! :-) Then what will you have to carry on about, Len? It won't be in HERE, sweetums. The constant WHINING from the SORE LOSER morsemen may be affecting my hearing. Can't have all that morsemen WHINING pose a personal health risk. :-) Jimmie, as ever to you, I flip you the bird and ByteBrothers famous phrase *F*Y*D*I*T*M* ! 4.17934, LA |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you been posting under? As for aliases, why are you still not signing YOUR posts, Brain? Steve, K4YZ Am I really anonymous? |
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wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Subject: U.S. Morse Code Solution-Maybe? From: "Alun L. Palmer" References: . net .com .com . net .com .com Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.11.09 NNTP-Posting-Host: $$$iwhuaelsd0m.x-privat.org Date: 27 Feb 2005 17:13:18 +0100 Organization: X-Privat NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org Lines: 22 X-Authenticated-User: $$i01yb3xds_84qryemw X-Complaints-To: Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com !news.moat.net!x-privat.org!not-for-mail Dave Heil wrote in news:4221EBFE.2A406BF0 @earthlink.net: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: You sound like the kind of guy who'd just open 'er up to any guy who shows any interest at all in amateur radio. No tests. No qualifications. Actually, that would be Jim Miccolis, N2EY. He is the one who proposed "No Test International." Actually, you're just acting silly. Jim made no such proposal. Dave K8MN He did. Of coutse he was being a devil's advocate, but he was indeed the one to suggest this. |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make Miccolis admit to doing wrong. Miccolis "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. There really isn't anything new to comment on here or to "address"... And so Robesin posts yet another meaningless post. Welp, at least we weren't treated to excrement eating exploits this time. |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: On 20 Dec 2006 17:36:40 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: There really isn't anything new to comment on here or to "address"...It's the hate-hams against the pro-hams, and that's all that can be said. guess you did not read the thread before you decided to contiue you trashathon Sure I did, fatboy. And LIKE I SAID..."nothing new"... Same ole-same-oh.... Steve, K4YZ Bully Robesin is just making sure that he has the very last word when there's nothing left to be said. Twice. |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. That's because you are mistaken. People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. And you should get your story straight, too. Is it a "no-test" amateur radio service, or "No Test International"? The claims wander around. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Subject: U.S. Morse Code Solution-Maybe? From: "Alun L. Palmer" References: . net .com .com . net .com .com Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.11.09 NNTP-Posting-Host: $$$iwhuaelsd0m.x-privat.org Date: 27 Feb 2005 17:13:18 +0100 Organization: X-Privat NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org Lines: 22 X-Authenticated-User: $$i01yb3xds_84qryemw X-Complaints-To: Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com !news.moat.net!x-privat.org!not-for-mail Dave Heil wrote in news:4221EBFE.2A406BF0 @earthlink.net: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: You sound like the kind of guy who'd just open 'er up to any guy who shows any interest at all in amateur radio. No tests. No qualifications. Actually, that would be Jim Miccolis, N2EY. He is the one who proposed "No Test International." Actually, you're just acting silly. Jim made no such proposal. Dave K8MN He did. Of coutse he was being a devil's advocate, but he was indeed the one to suggest this. |
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wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? Dave K8MN |
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K4YZ wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you been posting under? As for aliases, why are you still not signing YOUR posts, Brain? Steve, K4YZ Am I really anonymous? No, Brian, you are not anonymous. Anyone who's been here a year or so will know that. For those short-timers, your call is N 0 I M D (using spaces to make it clearer to the hate-filled near-sighted twits). Major Dud is running out of "reasons" for personally insulting others so he has resorted to his old, false, outdated "SIGNING" charge. A written communications medium such as on Usenet already IDs the user in the header information. Robesin doesn't understand any of that...he still thinks he is in some kind of cue-so on the radio and the "signing" must be the callsign. Poor feller doesn't understand the difference between Usenet over the Internet and amateur radio parlance-protocol-procedure. Sigh...there's no end to the behavior of Robesin in sight and 2007 will open up just another barrage of hate-filled, frustrated insults from Him. Unless he gets a job in another hospital to end his "vacation." :-) Best regards, |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. "Jim Miccolis/N2EY" will never be the name of any film, but it is likely that "Robesin" will be a thriller. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Under which names have you posted? That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. Four people are trying to deceive. And you should get your story straight, too. Is it a "no-test" amateur radio service, or "No Test International"? The claims wander around. So how many names have you posted under? ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: rec.radio.amateur.policy Subject: U.S. Morse Code Solution-Maybe? From: "Alun L. Palmer" References: . net .com .com . net .com .com Message-ID: User-Agent: Xnews/4.11.09 NNTP-Posting-Host: $$$iwhuaelsd0m.x-privat.org Date: 27 Feb 2005 17:13:18 +0100 Organization: X-Privat NNTP Server - http://www.x-privat.org Lines: 22 X-Authenticated-User: $$i01yb3xds_84qryemw X-Complaints-To: Path: g2news1.google.com!news4.google.com!news.glorb.com !news.moat.net!x-privat.org!not-for-mail Dave Heil wrote in news:4221EBFE.2A406BF0 @earthlink.net: bb wrote: Dave Heil wrote: You sound like the kind of guy who'd just open 'er up to any guy who shows any interest at all in amateur radio. No tests. No qualifications. Actually, that would be Jim Miccolis, N2EY. He is the one who proposed "No Test International." Actually, you're just acting silly. Jim made no such proposal. Dave K8MN He did. Of coutse he was being a devil's advocate, but he was indeed the one to suggest this. |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? Dave K8MN I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim that Veteran's always have their hands out. |
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wrote: On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:08:06 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? Dave K8MN there is just too much junk out there like no one can find your own statements on the out of band french men Heil posted the frequencies that he worked the out of band Frenchmen on while he was in Africa. A French visitor to RRAP said that the frequency that Heil was working the Frenchmen on was not a legal privelege for French hams. Anyway, anyone can delete any of their posting through google. For example, I'll delete this one tomorrow /new years day/ to show that it can be done. |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. And a person cannot delete the postings of another. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. Four people are trying to deceive. Maybe. I wrote "maybe even trying to deceive". And you should get your story straight, too. Is it a "no-test" amateur radio service, or "No Test International"? The claims wander around. |
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wrote: On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 17:08:06 GMT, Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? Dave K8MN there is just too much junk out there like no one can find your own statements on the out of band french men Heil posted the frequencies that he worked the out of band Frenchmen on while he was in Africa. A French visitor to RRAP said that the frequency that Heil was working the Frenchmen on was not a legal privelege for French hams. So you have French radio amateurs breaking French regulations, not a case of a Tanzanian radio amateur breaking Tanzanian regs. You've brought the matter up time and time again, in an attempt to accuse me of wrongdoing. It never stuck because it was never true. Yet here you are again. Anyway, anyone can delete any of their posting through google. I've never done so, but here you are, attempting to show that I'm part of some nefarious cover up. For example, I'll delete this one tomorrow /new years day/ to show that it can be done. See if you can delete my reply to it. If not, you should be able to come up with replies to those posts which you can't seem to find. Dave K8MN |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? Four people are trying to deceive. Maybe. I wrote "maybe even trying to deceive". Is there a conspiracy to deceive? And you should get your story straight, too. Is it a "no-test" amateur radio service, or "No Test International"? The claims wander around. |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are there? That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions? Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are there? Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil responded to the initial no-test proposal... That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. Wow! Another delusional amateur. For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it. Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. Who is Brian? That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? Is there? People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. Who is Brian? That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions? Dave K8MN I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How many more? |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim that Veteran's always have their hands out. I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something like that? Maybe that's what you remember. Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian. Who the heck is Brian? Dave K8MN You said that I was anonymous, didn't you? Dave K8MN Didn't you? Do I have to Google that? |
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wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. Four of us are. :-) [may the Force be with us!] And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are there? Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil responded to the initial no-test proposal... It's all a "grande conspiracy" against the Morsemen! :-) That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. Wow! Another delusional amateur. Amateur extra morsemen "know" all, "see" all. They took the highest-rate code test, therefore They are Always Right! For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it. Jimmie Noserve LIVED all he talked about. He is an expert on veterans affairs... Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. Who is Brian? Good question! :-) That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? Is there? Wow...old Jimmie just NEVER will answer a challenge directly! People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it. Everyone challenging Jimmie is WRONG! :-) Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. Who is Brian? Tsk, Jimmie beats us all in the Obstinacy Department! Why, at the drop of a carrier he will once again trot out a seven- year-old suggestion I once made to the FCC in a comment on FCC 98-143 to show "the error of my ways (and every- thing else)!" :-) That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions? Dave K8MN I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How many more? Sigh...these obstinate Mighty Macho Morsemen must be powered by Ever-Ready batteries! They keep on going...and going...and going... I wish they'd all leave. :-) LA |
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wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim that Veteran's always have their hands out. I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something like that? Maybe that's what you remember. Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian. Who the heck is Brian? Dave K8MN You said that I was anonymous, didn't you? Dave K8MN Didn't you? Do I have to Google that? YES! Anyone that challenges a Mighty Macho Morseman MUST endlessly repost and repost OLD messages so that the 3Ms can keep on arguing that They were "right" all the time! :-) LA |
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wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim that Veteran's always have their hands out. I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something like that? Maybe that's what you remember. Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian. Who the heck is Brian? Dave K8MN You said that I was anonymous, didn't you? Dave K8MN Didn't you? Do I have to Google that? YES! Anyone that challenges a Mighty Macho Morseman MUST endlessly repost and repost OLD messages so that the 3Ms can keep on arguing that They were "right" all the time! :-) LA Welp, Heil is wrong. He says I'm anonymous when it is convenient for his argument, then he goes about calling me "Brian." I don't know whats up with that guy. |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? 1) To get you into an endless argument loop 2) To misdirect away from the fact that he doesn't have any proof or evidence to back up his claims. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? 1) To get you into an endless argument loop 2) To misdirect away from the fact that he doesn't have any proof or evidence to back up his claims. And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are there? Of course not. What's more, such discussions often result in more than one party quoting. That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? You're missing the point, Dave. Brian was pushing the idea of "liberal disdain for the military" and cited Democrat FDR's alleged violent treatment of the Bonus Marchers as an example. But it was in fact the Republican Hoover Administration that used force against them. The way Brian remembered the Bonus Marchers was inaccurate, but he presented it anyway, without checking his facts, and left it up to others to point out his mistakes. Think about why. Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. Can't re-post what I never posted in the first place. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. Beginning? That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Anyone can make unsubstantiated claims on usenet. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? Of course not. But Brian got you to reply, didn't he? People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? "Google never forgets" Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions? Consider what his goal really is. |
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an old friend wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: LA Welp, Heil is wrong. He says I'm anonymous when it is convenient for his argument, then he goes about calling me "Brian." I don't know whats up with that guy. I do he is simply not as far down the road as Robeson and Wisemen but he suffers from the brain washing of too much narrow ooked rf OR branch water. |
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wrote: wrote: K4YZ wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you been posting under? As for aliases, why are you still not signing YOUR posts, Brain? Steve, K4YZ Am I really anonymous? No, Brian, you are not anonymous. Anyone who's been here a year or so will know that. For those short-timers, your call is N 0 I M D (using spaces to make it clearer to the hate-filled near-sighted twits). Sheesh! I'm supposed to be anonymous and everyone knows who I am!!! I'm a complete failure as an anonninnie. Major Dud is running out of "reasons" for personally insulting others so he has resorted to his old, false, outdated "SIGNING" charge. He'll never run out of claims. They're all he's got. A written communications medium such as on Usenet already IDs the user in the header information. Robesin doesn't understand any of that...he still thinks he is in some kind of cue-so on the radio and the "signing" must be the callsign. Poor feller doesn't understand the difference between Usenet over the Internet and amateur radio parlance-protocol-procedure. His sintax has him confused. Sigh...there's no end to the behavior of Robesin in sight and 2007 will open up just another barrage of hate-filled, frustrated insults from Him. Unless he gets a job in another hospital to end his "vacation." :-) 2007 is just another chapter in the Robesin saga. Best regards, HNY. |
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wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. Four of us are. :-) [may the Force be with us!] "Luke, I am your father!" And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are there? Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil responded to the initial no-test proposal... It's all a "grande conspiracy" against the Morsemen! :-) Poor things. That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. Wow! Another delusional amateur. Amateur extra morsemen "know" all, "see" all. They took the highest-rate code test, therefore They are Always Right! Historical fact, huh? The amateur service really didn't get shut down during WWII? For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it. Jimmie Noserve LIVED all he talked about. He is an expert on veterans affairs... He was probably in Vietnam and at Woodstock at the same time. Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. Who is Brian? Good question! :-) Hell if I know? That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? Is there? Wow...old Jimmie just NEVER will answer a challenge directly! That's Quitefine. People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it. Everyone challenging Jimmie is WRONG! :-) They would have been wrong anyway. That's just how it is with Morsemen. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. Who is Brian? Tsk, Jimmie beats us all in the Obstinacy Department! Why, at the drop of a carrier he will once again trot out a seven- year-old suggestion I once made to the FCC in a comment on FCC 98-143 to show "the error of my ways (and every- thing else)!" :-) That was almost 9 years ago. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions? Dave K8MN I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How many more? Sigh...these obstinate Mighty Macho Morsemen must be powered by Ever-Ready batteries! They keep on going...and going...and going... I wish they'd all leave. :-) LA I just wish they'd behave. |
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wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. Four of us are. :-) [may the Force be with us!] "Luke, I am your father!" Jimmie as the Evil Darth Morser? Boggles the mind! :-) Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil responded to the initial no-test proposal... It's all a "grande conspiracy" against the Morsemen! :-) Poor things. Yeah, their federal welfare emotional food stamps are going to stop. But, but.....we will hear of their "But I was a 20 WPM Extra!" :-( Forever, it seems. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. Wow! Another delusional amateur. Amateur extra morsemen "know" all, "see" all. They took the highest-rate code test, therefore They are Always Right! Historical fact, huh? The amateur service really didn't get shut down during WWII? They all "went into the military" and vanquished the axis using their morse keys! [they used the superhuman Power of their ham licenses!] Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it. Jimmie Noserve LIVED all he talked about. He is an expert on veterans affairs... He was probably in Vietnam and at Woodstock at the same time. Hmmm...that would make him a supporter of protestation? Good grief, you've opened up a Theological theme! A protestant supporter! The mind boggles once more! Well maybe just an old jock strap? Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. Who is Brian? Good question! :-) Hell if I know? That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? Is there? Wow...old Jimmie just NEVER will answer a challenge directly! That's Quitefine. Quitefine to a T. :-) Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it. Everyone challenging Jimmie is WRONG! :-) They would have been wrong anyway. That's just how it is with Morsemen. Sigh...it is that, isn't it? :-( Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. The airport scenes in the film "Casablanca" were shot at Los Angeles Municipal Airport, now known as Van Nuys Airport, ICAO identifier "VNY." I flew in and out of there taking lessons four decades ago. Never met either Ingrid Bergman or Humphrey Bogart. Or even Claude Rains. I think Jimmie is trying to imitate Claude because he wants "to pick up all the usual (old) arguments," then interrogate them forever... :-) But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. Who is Brian? Tsk, Jimmie beats us all in the Obstinacy Department! Why, at the drop of a carrier he will once again trot out a seven- year-old suggestion I once made to the FCC in a comment on FCC 98-143 to show "the error of my ways (and every- thing else)!" :-) That was almost 9 years ago. The FCC received my 14-page Comment on FCC 99-143 on 15 Jan 1999. Makes it just a few days short 8 years. I don't think that the subject bounced into RRAP until Hans Brakob talked about it. He let it drop. I let it drop. Jimmie NEVER drops anything. Dave K8MN I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How many more? Sigh...these obstinate Mighty Macho Morsemen must be powered by Ever-Ready batteries! They keep on going...and going...and going... I wish they'd all leave. :-) I just wish they'd behave. "Behave" might be asking just too much. :-) We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday. The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a Wagnerian Opera setting! :-) Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered "Gotterdammerung!" after slipping... LA |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: I wish they'd all leave. :-) I just wish they'd behave. "Behave" might be asking just too much. :-) We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday. The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a Wagnerian Opera setting! :-) Except there will be hecklers shouting STFU at the fat lady (borrowed from a babs streisand concert) . Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered "Gotterdammerung!" after slipping... LA I was trimming limbs from a pin oak back in Illinois. A fairly large branch swung down, still "hinged" to the tree, and knocked the ladder right out from under me. I guess Waggs and I have something in common? ;^) |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: I wish they'd all leave. :-) I just wish they'd behave. "Behave" might be asking just too much. :-) We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday. The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a Wagnerian Opera setting! :-) Except there will be hecklers shouting STFU at the fat lady (borrowed from a babs streisand concert) . Heck yes, that's a given...with or without Streisand. :-) What can you expect from the suddenly-deprived-of-federal-welfare- emotional-food-stamps? They be HUNGRY and can no longer crow about their being the top of the food chain in the ARS. Would be nice if they could go and eat that crow instead. [don't expect that, either...] Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered "Gotterdammerung!" after slipping... LA I was trimming limbs from a pin oak back in Illinois. A fairly large branch swung down, still "hinged" to the tree, and knocked the ladder right out from under me. I guess Waggs and I have something in common? ;^) Might be. However, "Gotterdammerbranch" doesn't quite have a ring to it. :-) I hope you survived... :-) LA |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make admit to doing wrong. What "doing wrong" do you mean, Len? Brian Burke says I came up with a proposal for a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Yet nobody seems to be able to show us that alleged proposal. Brian and Len and Mark aren't the only ones who recall that you came up with the idea. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.r...e=source&hl=en Yet *none* of you have actually shown the posting where I allegedly did this. Anyone can go into google and delete one of their own postings. Perhaps - if the person has a google account. But I have not done that. Of course not. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. Ahh. I see. All my old rrap postings are intact in the archives. Of course. Then why are you trying to suggest that he has? Why did you come right out and state that I'd done so? I'm being manipulated by some unknown, evil force. I think he's pretty well known by now. And a person cannot delete the postings of another. Didn't say they could. So if A post something, and A is quoted by B, the quote will still show up in B's posting even if A deletes his post. And if B deletes his post? Would that be a conspiracy? This is getting interesting. If "A" states something that you believe could be mined as a juicy nugget and "B", a person at odds with the statement of "A", replies, you think "A" could convince "B" to cancel his post? That sounds preposterous. There aren't many conspiracies in which two parties with completely opposite views agree to conspire, are there? Are those the conditions of the conspiracy? Perhaps David Heil responded to the initial no-test proposal... ....and you don't believe that any NCTA would respond to such a statement? If any NCTA responded, he'd conspire to delete his own post so that no such record would remain? How very, very odd. That's why I can't find the posting of Dave Heil/K8MN saying that Veteran's always have their hands out. How can you be sure? Perhaps you did not correctly remember what was actually written. Your memory of postings here has been proved to be selective and inaccurate. Ditto your remembrance of what valuable contributions the Amateur Service made during WWII when the Amateur Service was shut down and you weren't born yet. I don't recall that Jim claimed such as his memories. He stated historical fact. Wow! Another delusional amateur. I don't think you're delusional. I just think you're mistaken. For example, recently you made some significant mistakes in your account of FDR's treatment of veterans during the Great Depression. I wasn't alive then, how could I remember it? Who said that you'd remember it? Did you ever take a history class? Did you ever do any independent research on a subject? Yes, of course. That doesn't mean that I lived it. No, it seldom does. If you lived it, you might have gotten a really good grade. In taking such a course, you might have retained some of the facts, like who was President of the United States at the time of the Bonus Marchers. Do you remember learning the name of the officer charged with breaking things up? Shall I repost those mistakes of yours and the corrections? Why not just repost your statements of a no-test amateur radio service. You're beginning to act in a very peculiar manner, Brian. Who is Brian? See what I mean? That's very peculiar. That's because you are mistaken. Four people are mistaken. That is correct. The truth is the truth, regardless of how many deny it. Yep. Four people are mistaken. It would appear so. You've failed to come up with an archived post which states what you claim. You've not been able to come up with any replies to such a post, quoting Jim's words. Is there a conspiracy between Jim and those who would be at odds with such a post to erase all evidence that the post was ever made? Is there? I asked you. People sometimes "remember" things that did not happen. Four people "remember" things which did not happen. Yep. You're one of them. Deal with it. That is correct. Four people remember things which did not happen. Yep. Where is the evidence that the "things" took place? As you can see, there is nonet. Except that four people remember it. Maybe your memories were changed during your visit to the mother ship. Bogart never says "Play it again, Sam" in "Casablanca", yet that misquote became so popular that it became the title of another film. If you could *show* where I supposedly came up with - originated - a proposal for a no-test amateur service, you might be able to prove *me* to be mistaken. But so far you've not been able to do that, even though all my posts are in Google, waiting for you. Sure they are. Yes, they are. Sure. You're one obstinate character, Brian. Who is Brian? Some character with an old chip on his shoulder. That's because you are mistaken. Or maybe even trying to deceive. Four people are mistaken. At least that many. If more than four are mistaken, how many do you predict? This is your charade, Brian. Why don't you do the predictions? I've maintained that only four people are mistaken, you say more. How many more? You're mistaken about that too. I didn't say there were more, you did. Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim that Veteran's always have their hands out. I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something like that? Maybe that's what you remember. Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian. Who the heck is Brian? You said that I was anonymous, didn't you? You post anonymously. You use neither your name nor your callsign in your posts. Didn't you? Do I have to Google that? I wouldn't be very optimistic about the outcome. Dave K8MN |
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Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: wrote: Dave Heil wrote: It seems that your "proof" isn't proof at all of what you claim. Aren't your skills in creating a Google search up to the task at hand? I can't google up something which has been deleted, such as your claim that Veteran's always have their hands out. I have never deleted the Google archive of any post I've made. Perhaps you should examine the possibility that your memory is faulty. Do you find a Google archive where you've made a claim that I said something like that? Maybe that's what you remember. Your thoughts seem to be straying all over the place, Brian. Who the heck is Brian? You said that I was anonymous, didn't you? You post anonymously. You use neither your name nor your callsign in your posts. Kindly show me where in Part 97 that I must do so. Didn't you? Do I have to Google that? I wouldn't be very optimistic about the outcome. Dave K8MN Dave, you've confused yourself. I'm either anonymous or I'm not. Make up your mind. |
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wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: wrote: I wish they'd all leave. :-) I just wish they'd behave. "Behave" might be asking just too much. :-) We'll all find out the effective date of FCC 07-178 after Tuesday. The "fat lady" is coming to the microphone, music ready, the orchestra warming up and soon she'll sing. It's almost a Wagnerian Opera setting! :-) Except there will be hecklers shouting STFU at the fat lady (borrowed from a babs streisand concert) . Heck yes, that's a given...with or without Streisand. :-) What can you expect from the suddenly-deprived-of-federal-welfare- emotional-food-stamps? They be HUNGRY and can no longer crow about their being the top of the food chain in the ARS. Would be nice if they could go and eat that crow instead. [don't expect that, either...] I'm sure that many of them are fair-minded about it. A few won't be. Sort of like Wagner's accident on the ladder when he hollered "Gotterdammerung!" after slipping... LA I was trimming limbs from a pin oak back in Illinois. A fairly large branch swung down, still "hinged" to the tree, and knocked the ladder right out from under me. I guess Waggs and I have something in common? ;^) Might be. However, "Gotterdammerbranch" doesn't quite have a ring to it. :-) I hope you survived... :-) LA For the most part. |
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