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FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no
longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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wrote in message ps.com... FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY How 'bout that, SC? LOL! |
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wrote in message ... On 15 Dec 2006 17:34:45 -0800, wrote: FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSS http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Didn't you already know that, duffus? |
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Hello, Jim
Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA wrote in message ps.com... FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Jim Hampton wrote:
Hello, Jim Greetings! Good to hear from you again. Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D Hopefully. Actually it should come as no surprise. Things have been heading that way for a long time. Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken so long, considering that FCC could have done the same thing more than 3 years ago. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps when Paul Schleck's moderated version starts up. -- btw, I'm still keeping the "ARS License Numbers" thread going. It will be interesting to see how the number of current US licenses held by individuals changes after the new rules go into effect. The public announcement doesn't say when the new rules will go into effect, though. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I would never care to meet on the air or in person. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. I'm sure he's eager to roll that one out again. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA wrote in message ps.com... FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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John Smith wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim ... serious discussions ... ... 73 de Jim, N2EY Only if moderation is used in moderation have I ever seen it to be successful, else the newsgroup goes the way of CW and only a few devotees participate. However, it just might be worth it to be rid of the "gay agenda" who plague usenet these days. Regards, JS The "Gay Agenda" is Steven J. Robeson/K4YZ/K4CAP/Tennessee Nurse who mines the internet and brings back to this amateur newsgroup things which have no place here. |
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wrote in message ps.com... FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY at laest now I can finaly bring my cursade to hf finaly an roberson cant stp me this time. tood wil be glad two have me abroad on thi isue. we will shunt dopwn nim buster two http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 02:13:24 GMT, "U-Know-Who" wrote: wrote in message . .. On 15 Dec 2006 17:34:45 -0800, wrote: FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. 73 de Jim, N2EY YYYYYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSS http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ Didn't you already know that, duffus? Tom yesterday evening was the first sabbat of Hanukah as I was leading services I spent the day preparing for that show-na-to-va (that is the greeting for this time of year as JEW rendered phonicticaly) happy new years it means and it can be better one if Wismen Robson and SC a few just decided to not to be as hateful with the punce gotcha I lerned of the news when I logged and checked RRAP http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/ -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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On 15 Dec 2006 17:34:45 -0800, wrote:
FCC announced today that Element 1, the 5 wpm Morse Code test, will no longer be required for any class of US amateur license. Technicians will get Technician Plus privileges. See news item on www.fcc.gov The effective date of this change isn't clear but should be soon. As I'm sure many of us are already aware, the procedure with these things is that the rule changes take effect 30 days after they have been publisheds in the Federal Register. Once the R&O shows up in the Federal Register, the 30-day countdown begins. On Day 31, presumably, those who hold a Technician Class license without Element 1 credit gain some operating privileges on HF, and the rest of us have the opportunity to add some new callsigns to our logs. John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York http://kc2hmz.net |
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wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I would never care to meet on the air or in person. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject I'm sure he's eager to roll that one out again. I can't roll out what doesn't exist. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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On Sat, 16 Dec 2006 20:00:48 -0500, wrote:
I read it differently since the FCC has the power to act with imedaint effect True, the FCC does have the power to order the changes to become effective upon release. Whether or not this is the case with respect to the actions contained in the public notice was not made clear in the public notice. Therefore, I suspect Bill Cross is going to find a significant number of new e-mails and his phone ringing off the hook when he arrives for work on Monday morning. John D. Kasupski, KC2HMZ Tonawanda, New York http://kc2hmz.net |
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wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim ... serious discussions ... ... 73 de Jim, N2EY Only if moderation is used in moderation have I ever seen it to be successful, else the newsgroup goes the way of CW and only a few devotees participate. However, it just might be worth it to be rid of the "gay agenda" who plague usenet these days. Hey John, I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. - 73 de Mike - |
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an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I would never care to meet on the air or in person. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the code exam is gone. They sure don't value the writtens very much, do they? we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject What ideas? He just wanted to dump the written. |
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Mike Coslo wrote: John Smith wrote in : wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim ... serious discussions ... ... 73 de Jim, N2EY Only if moderation is used in moderation have I ever seen it to be successful, else the newsgroup goes the way of CW and only a few devotees participate. However, it just might be worth it to be rid of the "gay agenda" who plague usenet these days. Hey John, I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. - 73 de Mike - Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you been posting under? |
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wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you been posting under? As for aliases, why are you still not signing YOUR posts, Brain? Steve, K4YZ |
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wrote: On 18 Dec 2006 03:52:43 -0800, "K4YZ" wrote: wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: I'm seriously converted to Xnews! You might want to give it a try. It even converted *this* group to hetero (at least I didn't have to see it) ;^) They can keep changin their names, but Xnews makes pretty short work of 'em. Hello Mike. I guess you didn't do the BBS thing after all, and have used "Xnews" to rehabilitate this newsgroup. So what alias have you been posting under? As for aliases, why are you still not signing YOUR posts, Brain? ore desperate diverasion steve A WHAT, Morkie...?!?! Steve, K4YZ |
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an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I would never care to meet on the air or in person. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. Ahem...three things as I saw them, Brian: 1. That "they [FCC] MIGHT just as well eliminate writtens" was such a COMMON rejoinder by pro-coders that it became another myth in the minds of the 1930s-standards-retro folk. To them everything was about the code test. 2. Miccolis has, by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Why, if pinned to the wall by someone, he will self-righteously (and in 'outrage') demand for 'proof' by going into thousands upon thousands of old, old Google archives and copying the 'proof.' [AS IF this was evidenciary in some mythical court of law] 3. Several others well back before 1998 were using the general remark of "if the code test is eliminated, then the writtens will be 'next' because it 'follows the progression.'" Miccolis picked up on that, reworded it, but repeated it...apparently making certain he couldn't be found 'guilty' of EXACT wording. as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the code exam is gone. They sure don't value the writtens very much, do they? To the pro-coders EVERYTHING in amateur radio was about morse code use, venerating the mode of on-off keying CW, and generally making them "masters of the radio waves" by their skill at a DEFUNCT radio communications mode once championed in the 1930s and 1940s. The VEC QPC has made up ALL the written test elements for years but not a single pro-coder seems to admit to ever contacting the VEC QPC about that content...at least not in here. One reason (perhaps) is they don't give a damn about the writtens. Everything is about morsemanship in operating on the ham bands to them. we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject What ideas? He just wanted to dump the written. In essence, that is true...despite Miccolis' denials. All the pro-coders were using the rationalization about the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) and the 'necessity' to keep code testing. Forever. "Forever" is about to cease. The "End of the World As They Know It" is about to happen. Their sky will fall. Chickens Little will scamper about, shouting epithets and nastywords at evil, loathsome no-coders and the "failure" to "keep standards high"..."standards" that have been drilled into their psyches for decades by the Elders of Newington. I've been gone for a few days, didn't hear about it until late Friday night and then only in a casual remark over a telephone call. Got on a friend's computer and saw that the End of Code Testing was the #1 news item on the FCC home page. [it doesn't appear on the Amateur page under Wireless Bureau, but then little happens there in keeping up to date] Wonder upon wonders! :-) Okay, now I'm reflecting about the GLORY of the democratic process in petitioning our government for a redress of grievances. IT WORKS! An agency of our government believed the words of our citizens in wanting change and is about to rule on that change. CHANGE will happen, despite the former ruling party of pro-coders' spitting and snarling about "spamming" the government with "anti- ham" attitudes wanting the code test gone. :-) On more reflections, FCC 99-412, the R&O establishing the Restructuring of 2000, was released on 30 Dec 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC releases the R&O on code testing elimination about that same date...the news release (not a law, just a 'media advisory') was done on 15 Dec 2006, almost 7 years later. I think of it as a Christmas Present or the Start of a New Era along with a New Year. Glory in Excelsus! Modernization is Happening in US amateur radio. Regs are finally catching up to late-1900s standards! [catching up, they will be approaching 1980 when the code elimination R&O is released] Has No Code International "done anything?" Hard to tell. the www.nocode.org pages haven't been updated for a year. NCI is still talking about the NPRM of July 2005 in their 'Articles' section. But, I'm sure that NCI will praise itself after the fact...all their 'hard work' etc., etc., etc. In my estimation, the Comments of CITIZENS on NPRM 05-143 did all the work in influencing our government on its announced decision. Power to the People! [but we still need electricity...] |
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From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I would never care to meet on the air or in person. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. Ahem...three things as I saw them, Brian: 1. That "they [FCC] MIGHT just as well eliminate writtens" was such a COMMON rejoinder by pro-coders that it became another myth in the minds of the 1930s-standards-retro folk. To them everything was about the code test. That's not true about me. 2. by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. Why, if pinned to the wall by someone, he will self-righteously (and in 'outrage') demand for 'proof' by going into thousands upon thousands of old, old Google archives and copying the 'proof.' [AS IF this was evidenciary in some mythical court of law] The facts are what they are. You don't seem to like facts, Len, if they disprove your cherished opinions. 3. Several others well back before 1998 were using the general remark of "if the code test is eliminated, then the writtens will be 'next' because it 'follows the progression.'" That has already happened. In 2000, the *written* testing for the three classes of license still available was reduced significantly. Yet that wasn't enough for some. At least one recent proposal (NCVEC's second proposal) claimed the 35 question multiple-choice Technician was 'too hard' and that a new license class with even less *written* testing is needed. picked up on that, reworded it, but repeated it...apparently making certain he couldn't be found 'guilty' of EXACT wording. Show us. Pointing out that the written requirements have been reduced is not the same thing as advocating a 'no test' amateur radio service. Not the same thing at all. as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the code exam is gone. I'm as pro-code-test as they come, and I do not think that at all. And the Morse Code test in the USA isn't gone yet. It will take a few weeks at most for the bureaucratic wheels to turn and make the change effective. They sure don't value the writtens very much, do they? Well, I do. They could be better, though. To the pro-coders EVERYTHING in amateur radio was about morse code use, venerating the mode of on-off keying CW, and generally making them "masters of the radio waves" by their skill at a DEFUNCT radio communications mode once championed in the 1930s and 1940s. Not true at all. There's a lot to amateur radio besides Morse Code. Which is not 'defunct' at all. The VEC QPC has made up ALL the written test elements for years but not a single pro-coder seems to admit to ever contacting the VEC QPC about that content...at least not in here. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Not everyone brags on and on like you, Len ;-) One reason (perhaps) is they don't give a damn about the writtens. Another reason is that they don't tell you everything. Everything is about morsemanship in operating on the ham bands to them. Even if true - what's wrong with that? If you are really only against the *test*, what's wrong with *using* Morse Code? we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject What ideas? He just wanted to dump the written. Untrue. In essence, that is true No, it's completely untru. ...despite denials. Then show where it was proposed. All the pro-coders were using the rationalization about the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) and the 'necessity' to keep code testing. Forever. What's wrong with wanting to keep a good thing? "Forever" is about to cease. The "End of the World As They Know It" is about to happen. Their sky will fall. Chickens Little will scamper about, shouting epithets and nastywords at evil, loathsome no-coders and the "failure" to "keep standards high"..."standards" that have been drilled into their psyches for decades by the Elders of Newington. No, not at all. It's just another bad decision by FCC. They make some good decisions and some bad decisions. Do you think their BPL decisions are good ones? I've been gone for a few days, didn't hear about it until late Friday night and then only in a casual remark over a telephone call. Got on a friend's computer and saw that the End of Code Testing was the #1 news item on the FCC home page. [it doesn't appear on the Amateur page under Wireless Bureau, but then little happens there in keeping up to date] Wonder upon wonders! :-) Guess who broke the news here on rrap, Len, by starting this thread? Okay, now I'm reflecting about the GLORY of the democratic process in petitioning our government for a redress of grievances. IT WORKS! Not really. An agency of our government believed the words of our citizens in wanting change and is about to rule on that change. A majority of those who commented on the Morse Code test issue wanted at least *some* Morse Code testing to remain. The majority did *not* want complete elimination. Yet FCC ignored the majority and will completely eliminate Morse Code testing very soon. Explain how ignoring the majority means "IT WORKS". CHANGE will happen, despite the former ruling party of pro-coders' spitting and snarling about "spamming" the government with "anti- ham" attitudes wanting the code test gone. :-) Your wordy piles of commentary to FCC amounted to spam, Len, and probably slowed down the process. On more reflections, FCC 99-412, the R&O establishing the Restructuring of 2000, was released on 30 Dec 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC releases the R&O on code testing elimination about that same date...the news release (not a law, just a 'media advisory') was done on 15 Dec 2006, almost 7 years later. I think of it as a Christmas Present or the Start of a New Era along with a New Year. Glory in Excelsus! The announcement was made at the end of the business day on a Friday. That way FCC doesn't have to deal with the responses right away. Modernization is Happening in US amateur radio. Regs are finally catching up to late-1900s standards! [catching up, they will be approaching 1980 when the code elimination R&O is released] Did amateurs stop using Morse Code in 1980, Len? Has No Code International "done anything?" Hard to tell. the www.nocode.org pages haven't been updated for a year. NCI is still talking about the NPRM of July 2005 in their 'Articles' section. But, I'm sure that NCI will praise itself after the fact...all their 'hard work' etc., etc., etc. In my estimation, the Comments of CITIZENS on NPRM 05-143 did all the work in influencing our government on its announced decision. Power to the People! [but we still need electricity...] A majority of "the People" did *not* want complete Morse Code test elimination, Len. FCC gave "the People" what they did not want. -- In a few days the official Report and Order will be released, and in a few weeks it will be effective. The only surprise is how long it has taken for FCC to make the change. Three and a half years since the treaty changed! And once the Morse Code test is completely gone, what will you do, Len? You won't have anything to carry on about on rrap anymore. |
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wrote in message ups.com... Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Greetings! Good to hear from you again. Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D Hopefully. Actually it should come as no surprise. Things have been heading that way for a long time. Frankly, I'm surprised it has taken so long, considering that FCC could have done the same thing more than 3 years ago. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps when Paul Schleck's moderated version starts up. -- btw, I'm still keeping the "ARS License Numbers" thread going. It will be interesting to see how the number of current US licenses held by individuals changes after the new rules go into effect. The public announcement doesn't say when the new rules will go into effect, though. 73 de Jim, N2EY 1. Who won the pool? 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. wrote in message [snip] 1. Who won the pool? 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Dee, N8UZE Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. wrote in message [snip] 1. Who won the pool? 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Dee, N8UZE Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, An interesting question, but I am going to guess that it may have a positive impact - simply because folks that aren't licensed will hear that there is no more cw requirement. There are, I suspect, a fair number out there that haven't bothered simply because a tech license limits you to above 30 MHz and they want to work the world - without cw. We should have the answer to the question in the next year or so. Like you, I suspect a fairly large number of upgrades; unlike you, I suspect there will be a modest impact in the growth of amateur radio. Many don't understand the implications of learning something about electronics. A few years ago, I was given a Leslie speaker (rotating speaker used on Hammond organs) that was not compatable with my organs. It was obvious that not only would the socket have to be re-wired, but the new Leslie needed control via 110 volts ac. My control was high-impedance dc (about 90 volts dc). I called the service guy. The estimate was 8 hours of labor (at $70.00 per hour), plus a new relay, tube, and other components. After looking the situation over, I spent less than $5.00 in components, rewired the socket, isolated the dc with an interstage transformer, fed the dc to a big VFET through a 1 megohm resistor and zener to ground (to limit the voltage applied to the gate). The VFET switched 400 volts dc through a 100 k resistor to a solid state relay to the existing relay. The 110 volts was already present in the Leslie. It has worked flawlessly for a few years now. 2 hours work and 5 bucks spent vs probably over $600.00. Amateur radio was my background; hey, ya never know :P 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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Dee Flint wrote: 1. Who won the pool? See new thread on that subject. 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the R&O. Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth, but since then we have seen more decline. The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups: 1) A small number of active hams 2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet, haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test upgrade. 3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from the database once their licenses expire. While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. "Dee Flint" wrote in message . .. wrote in message [snip] 1. Who won the pool? 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Dee, N8UZE Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, An interesting question, but I am going to guess that it may have a positive impact - simply because folks that aren't licensed will hear that there is no more cw requirement. There are, I suspect, a fair number out there that haven't bothered simply because a tech license limits you to above 30 MHz and they want to work the world - without cw. We should have the answer to the question in the next year or so. Like you, I suspect a fairly large number of upgrades; unlike you, I suspect there will be a modest impact in the growth of amateur radio. It will be interesting to see if this proves true. I know of many people who have no idea what the requirements are to get a ham license. Matter of fact most have no idea that ham radio exists. Therefore the code requirement was not a factor. I have yet to meet anyone who said that they had an interest but did not pursue it because of the code requirement. Many don't understand the implications of learning something about electronics. A few years ago, I was given a Leslie speaker (rotating speaker used on Hammond organs) that was not compatable with my organs. It was obvious that not only would the socket have to be re-wired, but the new Leslie needed control via 110 volts ac. My control was high-impedance dc (about 90 volts dc). I called the service guy. The estimate was 8 hours of labor (at $70.00 per hour), plus a new relay, tube, and other components. After looking the situation over, I spent less than $5.00 in components, rewired the socket, isolated the dc with an interstage transformer, fed the dc to a big VFET through a 1 megohm resistor and zener to ground (to limit the voltage applied to the gate). The VFET switched 400 volts dc through a 100 k resistor to a solid state relay to the existing relay. The 110 volts was already present in the Leslie. It has worked flawlessly for a few years now. 2 hours work and 5 bucks spent vs probably over $600.00. Amateur radio was my background; hey, ya never know :P While some of the hams I know could and would do the same, the majority have chosen not to explore electronics beyond what they had to do for the test. That isn't sufficient to enble them to venture into this type of activity. 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Dee, N8UZE |
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wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: 1. Who won the pool? See new thread on that subject. 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the R&O. Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth, but since then we have seen more decline. The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups: 1) A small number of active hams 2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet, haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test upgrade. 3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from the database once their licenses expire. While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things. 73 de Jim, N2EY You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: 1. Who won the pool? See new thread on that subject. 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the R&O. Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth, but since then we have seen more decline. The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups: 1) A small number of active hams 2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet, haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test upgrade. 3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from the database once their licenses expire. While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things. 73 de Jim, N2EY You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the license. Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun :D 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Hello, Jim Now, perhaps, everyone can put this code vs no code thing behind us. :D I can put the issue away, but not some of the hard feelings developed along the way. There are several individuals on this group that I would never care to meet on the air or in person. Perhaps, just perhaps, the group can quiet down a bit and get back to more serious discussions ... Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Ahem...three things as I saw them, Brian: 1. That "they [FCC] MIGHT just as well eliminate writtens" was such a COMMON rejoinder by pro-coders that it became another myth in the minds of the 1930s-standards-retro folk. To them everything was about the code test. That's not true about me. Like Dee a couple of weeks ago, it's what "other hams" were saying. 2. by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. Len is no Elder of the Church of Saint Hiram. Why, if pinned to the wall by someone, he will self-righteously (and in 'outrage') demand for 'proof' by going into thousands upon thousands of old, old Google archives and copying the 'proof.' [AS IF this was evidenciary in some mythical court of law] The facts are what they are. You don't seem to like facts, Len, if they disprove your cherished opinions. "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Raygun 3. Several others well back before 1998 were using the general remark of "if the code test is eliminated, then the writtens will be 'next' because it 'follows the progression.'" That has already happened. In 2000, the *written* testing for the three classes of license still available was reduced significantly. Yet the QP can be increased infinitely. Yet that wasn't enough for some. At least one recent proposal (NCVEC's second proposal) claimed the 35 question multiple-choice Technician was 'too hard' and that a new license class with even less *written* testing is needed. The Technician License is not entry level. picked up on that, reworded it, but repeated it...apparently making certain he couldn't be found 'guilty' of EXACT wording. Show us. It's what you do. Pointing out that the written requirements have been reduced is not the same thing as advocating a 'no test' amateur radio service. Not the same thing at all. If you don't and never have advocated a "No-Test" license, why did you trot it out? as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the code exam is gone. I'm as pro-code-test as they come, and I do not think that at all. And the Morse Code test in the USA isn't gone yet. It will take a few weeks at most for the bureaucratic wheels to turn and make the change effective. See how many you can recruit before it goes away. Anyone should be able to learn 5WPM and take a 13-15WPM exam in a couple of weeks, right? They sure don't value the writtens very much, do they? Well, I do. They could be better, though. Even though you say that now, I recall you trotting out that "No-Test" strawman To the pro-coders EVERYTHING in amateur radio was about morse code use, venerating the mode of on-off keying CW, and generally making them "masters of the radio waves" by their skill at a DEFUNCT radio communications mode once championed in the 1930s and 1940s. Not true at all. There's a lot to amateur radio besides Morse Code. Which is not 'defunct' at all. ....a few weeks. The VEC QPC has made up ALL the written test elements for years but not a single pro-coder seems to admit to ever contacting the VEC QPC about that content...at least not in here. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Not everyone brags on and on like you, Len ;-) Ahem, seven hostile actions... One reason (perhaps) is they don't give a damn about the writtens. Another reason is that they don't tell you everything. Another is that they don't give a damn about the writtens. Everything is about morsemanship in operating on the ham bands to them. Even if true - what's wrong with that? An amateur is balanced. If you are really only against the *test*, what's wrong with *using* Morse Code? It's perfectly legal. we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject What ideas? He just wanted to dump the written. Untrue. Riiiight. Dumping the writtens was just a strawman. In essence, that is true No, it's completely untru. Heil/K8MN says people who cannot spell are not worthy of being leaders. ...despite denials. Then show where it was proposed. RRAP All the pro-coders were using the rationalization about the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) and the 'necessity' to keep code testing. Forever. What's wrong with wanting to keep a good thing? I thought it was the ITU rule that was the stumbling block? "Forever" is about to cease. The "End of the World As They Know It" is about to happen. Their sky will fall. Chickens Little will scamper about, shouting epithets and nastywords at evil, loathsome no-coders and the "failure" to "keep standards high"..."standards" that have been drilled into their psyches for decades by the Elders of Newington. No, not at all. "Slow Code" is an artifact from the chicken little syndrome. It's just another bad decision by FCC. A good decision. They make some good decisions and some bad decisions. True enough. And the Code Free HF license with almost exclusively CW priveleges is an artifact of the piecemeal approach that the FCC uses WRT the ARS. Do you think their BPL decisions are good ones? No. Do you? I've been gone for a few days, didn't hear about it until late Friday night and then only in a casual remark over a telephone call. Got on a friend's computer and saw that the End of Code Testing was the #1 news item on the FCC home page. [it doesn't appear on the Amateur page under Wireless Bureau, but then little happens there in keeping up to date] Wonder upon wonders! :-) Guess who broke the news here on rrap, Len, by starting this thread? "QUOTE 2. by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. "UNQUOTE ....and self-praise Okay, now I'm reflecting about the GLORY of the democratic process in petitioning our government for a redress of grievances. IT WORKS! Not really. Seems to. An agency of our government believed the words of our citizens in wanting change and is about to rule on that change. A majority of those who commented on the Morse Code test issue wanted at least *some* Morse Code testing to remain. The majority did *not* want complete elimination. Leadership doesn't mean taking a poll. Yet FCC ignored the majority and will completely eliminate Morse Code testing very soon. Explain how ignoring the majority means "IT WORKS". "Serves no regulatory purpose" was the key point. CHANGE will happen, despite the former ruling party of pro-coders' spitting and snarling about "spamming" the government with "anti- ham" attitudes wanting the code test gone. :-) Your wordy piles of commentary to FCC amounted to spam, Len, and probably slowed down the process. Does the "banana boat swing" slow down the process? On more reflections, FCC 99-412, the R&O establishing the Restructuring of 2000, was released on 30 Dec 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC releases the R&O on code testing elimination about that same date...the news release (not a law, just a 'media advisory') was done on 15 Dec 2006, almost 7 years later. I think of it as a Christmas Present or the Start of a New Era along with a New Year. Glory in Excelsus! The announcement was made at the end of the business day on a Friday. That way FCC doesn't have to deal with the responses right away. I wonder if the emnergency rooms across the nation were deluged with stroke victims? Modernization is Happening in US amateur radio. Regs are finally catching up to late-1900s standards! [catching up, they will be approaching 1980 when the code elimination R&O is released] Did amateurs stop using Morse Code in 1980, Len? They could have. Has No Code International "done anything?" Hard to tell. the www.nocode.org pages haven't been updated for a year. NCI is still talking about the NPRM of July 2005 in their 'Articles' section. But, I'm sure that NCI will praise itself after the fact...all their 'hard work' etc., etc., etc. In my estimation, the Comments of CITIZENS on NPRM 05-143 did all the work in influencing our government on its announced decision. Power to the People! [but we still need electricity...] A majority of "the People" did *not* want complete Morse Code test elimination, Len. FCC gave "the People" what they did not want. They sure didn't listen to the ARRL, thank God! -- In a few days the official Report and Order will be released, and in a few weeks it will be effective. The only surprise is how long it has taken for FCC to make the change. Three and a half years since the treaty changed! Those darned treaties. And once the Morse Code test is completely gone, what will you do, Len? You won't have anything to carry on about on rrap anymore. Nor you. Sayonara. |
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: 1. Who won the pool? See new thread on that subject. 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the R&O. Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth, but since then we have seen more decline. The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups: 1) A small number of active hams 2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet, haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test upgrade. 3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from the database once their licenses expire. While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things. 73 de Jim, N2EY You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the license. Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun :D 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Well anyone with internet access could instantly see through your game plan. Dee, N8UZE |
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Jim Hampton wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the license. Will that make you a Novice? Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun :D There are no speed limits for Novices, but there are for higher class hams who have IDers on repeaters. |
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message ... "Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... "Dee Flint" wrote in message ... wrote in message ups.com... Dee Flint wrote: 1. Who won the pool? See new thread on that subject. 2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses. Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license class entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different light on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost entirely inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of amateur radio anymore. Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers: 1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing. 2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing. 3. The current number of licensees. I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the R&O. Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change. My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to no impact on the overall growth of ham radio. We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth, but since then we have seen more decline. The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups: 1) A small number of active hams 2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet, haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test upgrade. 3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from the database once their licenses expire. While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things. 73 de Jim, N2EY You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the license. Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun :D 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA Well anyone with internet access could instantly see through your game plan. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, No game plan; I've gone back to 5 wpm before. I used to have a lot of fun when I was on Guam. We had a 40 meter vertical that couldn't be beat. A tower section 30 feet high on an insulator. I used to go down into the novice band. It was a lot of fun. One guy called me from New Jersey. He called "W2AAY de WN2***". I corrected him on the call. His fist got shakey. "W6AAY de WN2***". Finally I told him he had the call wrong. DE GUAM ISLAND, KG6AAY". You've never heard a fist get that bad in a hurry as he was so nervous. It was a lot of fun, however. At five words per minute. When one has a Collins S-Line into a Henry 2K amp into a vertical over salt water ..... no measurable reflected power ... and running maximum legal power ... and a 200 Hz crystal filter .... I could hear him just fine and the big rig simply pushed a signal through everything ... Well, we had a lot of fun ;) Seriously, I do enjoy cw contacts with newcomers. I also have the ability to deal with the folks that are hard-core cw folks. We had one guy on a 440 MHz repeater that was complaining that CW was the only way to go. Fortunately, the owner of the repeater was in the group. I've known him since 1963. I simply asked for permission to use F-2 modulation. After receiving permission, I hit the guy with 40 words per minute CW. Case made, case closed. Tim, WB2KAO, the repeater owner got a bit of a charge out of that LOL :) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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Dee Flint wrote:
... Dee, N8UZE Dee: We are all here because amateur radio has failed, I doubt we will ever, really, go back ... Regards, JS |
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wrote in message ps.com... Jim Hampton wrote: "Dee Flint" wrote in message You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands and our club roster has no Novice licensees. Dee, N8UZE Hello Dee, I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the license. Will that make you a Novice? Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun :D There are no speed limits for Novices, but there are for higher class hams who have IDers on repeaters. Yes, there are limits on the speeds of *IDs* on a repeater. There are no limits should someone decide to use F2 (or whatever one wishes to call it these days) on a repeater LOL. You may be aware of the meteor burst cw stuff going on at a few *hundred* words per minute, but I'm talking manual reception of CW. I can't claim to run 50 words per minute anymore, but I don't have much trouble at 35. Besides, the callsign would not make me a novice. The novice class is closed to new applicants. I can apply, however, for a vanity sign as a former call sign holder :D Believe me, I hit one guy big time who was screaming that only cw operators are the good guys. I hit him with 40 plus words per minute F-2 on the WB2KAO repeater in Rochester, NY (with permission from the repeater owner who just happened to be in the group LOL) :)) 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA ps - I run from 5 words per minute to a bit over 7 .... quite a bit :)) |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: ... Dee, N8UZE Dee: We are all here because amateur radio has failed, I doubt we will ever, really, go back ... Regards, JS It failed? Hmmmm .... 73 from Rochester, NY Jim AA2QA |
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message ... [snip] Seriously, I do enjoy cw contacts with newcomers. I also have the ability to deal with the folks that are hard-core cw folks. We had one guy on a 440 MHz repeater that was complaining that CW was the only way to go. Fortunately, the owner of the repeater was in the group. I've known him since 1963. I simply asked for permission to use F-2 modulation. After receiving permission, I hit the guy with 40 words per minute CW. Case made, case closed. Tim, WB2KAO, the repeater owner got a bit of a charge out of that LOL :) That's great. It's a fine example of "be careful what you ask for as you might get it"! Dee, N8UZE |
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"John Smith" wrote in message ... Dee Flint wrote: ... Dee, N8UZE Dee: We are all here because amateur radio has failed, I doubt we will ever, really, go back ... Regards, JS Speak for yourself, not the rest of us. Dee, N8UZE |
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wrote: wrote: From: on Sun, Dec 17 2006 3:22 pm an_old_friend wrote: wrote: wrote: Jim Hampton wrote: Perhaps now we can discuss N2EY's proposal for a No-Test service. There was never any such proposal. You are mistaken, in error, and just plain wrong. sure there is you have often said Jim/N2EY was the very first to roll that one out, at least that I am aware of. I am not in favor of a "No-Test" amateur radio service. Nor have I ever advocated such. Anyone who says I have is mistaken - in error - just plain wrong. So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make Miccolis admit to doing wrong. Miccolis "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. :-) Ahem...three things as I saw them, Brian: 1. That "they [FCC] MIGHT just as well eliminate writtens" was such a COMMON rejoinder by pro-coders that it became another myth in the minds of the 1930s-standards-retro folk. To them everything was about the code test. That's not true about me. Like Dee a couple of weeks ago, it's what "other hams" were saying. Tsk, nobody admits to the "follow-on" of "[they] might just as well eliminate the writtens." :-) Nobody admits to having written that so - in their mind - they never wrote it. :-) by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. Len is no Elder of the Church of Saint Hiram. Heh heh heh...I'm more like good old Marty Luther, he what hammered up his Theses on the front doors of his church. Tsk, tsk, Miccolis was merely some germ plasm when I first fired up a KW on HF...but, having studied in the "seminary" of the Church of St. Hiram, he now feels he is a "father" in that Order. Heh heh heh heh heh. More like "mother." Why, if pinned to the wall by someone, he will self-righteously (and in 'outrage') demand for 'proof' by going into thousands upon thousands of old, old Google archives and copying the 'proof.' [AS IF this was evidenciary in some mythical court of law] The facts are what they are. You don't seem to like facts, Len, if they disprove your cherished opinions. "Facts are stupid things." Ronald Raygun Brian, I think it should be worded "some stupids think they know 'facts'" but those 'facts' are just very selected little items of information which said stupids then use to make their point. Erroneous use of such selected quanta. However one wants to quibble about Pres Ronnie, he has one heck of nice Presidential Library on the west side of Simi Valley, CA. Beautiful in fact. Even better with the Air Force One Exhibit which opened earlier this year. Very impressive. 3. Several others well back before 1998 were using the general remark of "if the code test is eliminated, then the writtens will be 'next' because it 'follows the progression.'" That has already happened. In 2000, the *written* testing for the three classes of license still available was reduced significantly. Yet the QP can be increased infinitely. Miccolis uses "reduced 'significantly'" as if the "significant" amounted to nearly half. NEVER so. He exaggerates more than "significantly." :-) [Out of 41 pages of FCC 06-178, only 20 pages concern the R&O itself...the remaining half is a listing of ALL who commented on the NPRM...if Miccolis read, really read, not just skimming, even a tenth of those comments, I would be surprised...I read ALL of them and keep them on a CD] As far as a "statistical fact," Miccolis cribbed right from Joe Speroni's website, inferring he did the stat summary (after the fact) but he never did a day-by-day collection and running status of opinions as I did (posting them in this newsgroup). As a point of FACT, Part 97, Title 47 C.F.R. has included the rule ONLY ON A MINIMUM NUMBER of questions in the written test pool. That since privatized testing began. At present, the VEC Question Pool Committee ONLY makes the MINIMUM number of questions. There's NO LIMIT on what the VEC QPC could legally and rightly produce, plus no real problem on distribution of the QP to outlying VEC locations electronically. Yet that wasn't enough for some. At least one recent proposal (NCVEC's second proposal) claimed the 35 question multiple-choice Technician was 'too hard' and that a new license class with even less *written* testing is needed. The Technician License is not entry level. True. Never was the intention of that Class. However, its growth (since 1991) has been so enormous that it is way more populous than any other US amateur radio license class. Lots of folks have been calling the Tech license "entry level" because that is what it has become in recent years. picked up on that, reworded it, but repeated it...apparently making certain he couldn't be found 'guilty' of EXACT wording. Show us. It's what you do. Poor Jimmie, he's been sipping at the sour grapes again. :-) "Outraged" Miccolis always DEMANDS that any challenger (to his noble-godlike opinions) SHOW EVERYONE EXACTLY where Miccolis wrote something in the past. If we don't bother with redux-infinity quoting His Words, he feels "vindicated" (if not smug and triumphant). [see, he never wrote anything that his accusers say he did...therefore he never did!] :-) Pointing out that the written requirements have been reduced is not the same thing as advocating a 'no test' amateur radio service. Not the same thing at all. If you don't and never have advocated a "No-Test" license, why did you trot it out? Miccolis is a runner...perhaps he slowed down to a trot? as do most of the ProCoders that the NoCode would be followed your proposal to end testing They think that there might as well be no testing at all now that the code exam is gone. I'm as pro-code-test as they come, and I do not think that at all. And the Morse Code test in the USA isn't gone yet. It will take a few weeks at most for the bureaucratic wheels to turn and make the change effective. See how many you can recruit before it goes away. Anyone should be able to learn 5WPM and take a 13-15WPM exam in a couple of weeks, right? AB-SO-LUTELY sayeth all the pro-coders, practically en masse. :-) The pro-coders did it so "everybody" can do it! As usual, the morsemen think of themselves as Role Model for the US amateur radio service. As such, they had all the courage/gumption/smarts/aptitude to be extra-super-special morsemen. All who didn't do as They did are "lazy" and/or "stupid." :-) If the times were of the 1930s and 1940s they would be correct. However, we are living now 70+ years AFTER that time. They sure don't value the writtens very much, do they? Well, I do. They could be better, though. Even though you say that now, I recall you trotting out that "No-Test" strawman Miccolis will NEVER admit to any such thing! :-) We will now be treated to some "outraged demands" to "show everyone 'EXACTLY' what Jimmie wrote!" :-) He wants ATTENTION and misdirection both...trotting out old outdated arguments of the past, perhaps hoping to "win" one years later. To the pro-coders EVERYTHING in amateur radio was about morse code use, venerating the mode of on-off keying CW, and generally making them "masters of the radio waves" by their skill at a DEFUNCT radio communications mode once championed in the 1930s and 1940s. Not true at all. There's a lot to amateur radio besides Morse Code. Which is not 'defunct' at all. ...a few weeks. Miccolis USES morse code regularly. He champions that singular mode. He must feel that "all" amateurs must do as he does and is ****ed that all do NOT. Tsk, tsk. The VEC QPC has made up ALL the written test elements for years but not a single pro-coder seems to admit to ever contacting the VEC QPC about that content...at least not in here. That doesn't mean it hasn't happened. Not everyone brags on and on like you, Len ;-) Ahem, seven hostile actions... Tsk, Jimmie is doing the finger-pointing misdirection thing again...and FAILING to acknowledge his 'brethren' in the code wars who (almost daily) commit atrocities of personal insults and BRAGS of things they can't prove. Hmmm..."It ain't braggin' if ya done it" was (at one time) a Miccolis standard rejoinder in here...it being a slight mis- quote of what baseball player Dizzy Dean once said. Problem is, Miccolis hardly ever gets specific on what he does so he claims to look blameless in the bragging department! :-) One reason (perhaps) is they don't give a damn about the writtens. Another reason is that they don't tell you everything. Another is that they don't give a damn about the writtens. WE KNOW that Miccolis doesn't "tell us everything." :-) Everything is about morsemanship in operating on the ham bands to them. Even if true - what's wrong with that? An amateur is balanced. "The Amateur's Code" was written in the late 1920s(?) and code was king on the few ham bands existing in the 1930s and 1940s. Ahem...I almost hate to tell Jimmie that time now is 70 or so years LATER... :-) If you are really only against the *test*, what's wrong with *using* Morse Code? It's perfectly legal. Of course it is legal. But Miccolis INFERRED that no-code- test advocates were "against the USE" of morse code. It is a nice tactic to divert blame or at least to infer it being on the other person. we arre awaiting you ideas on the subject What ideas? He just wanted to dump the written. Untrue. Riiiight. Dumping the writtens was just a strawman. Hmmm...it must be made of fireproof straw since its been set afire time after time. :-) In essence, that is true No, it's completely untru. Heil/K8MN says people who cannot spell are not worthy of being leaders. "Untru"? :-) Only in a witches coven are the 'spellers' worthy of being leaders. :-) ...despite denials. Then show where it was proposed. RRAP :-) All the pro-coders were using the rationalization about the Archaic Radiotelegraphy Society (ARS) and the 'necessity' to keep code testing. Forever. What's wrong with wanting to keep a good thing? I thought it was the ITU rule that was the stumbling block? Actually, Radio Regulation S25...most of it got revised 3 1/2 years ago at WRC-03. That included the artifact of all nations having to test radio amateur license applicants for morse code ability for any license privileges below 30 MHz. The IARU promoted it. ARRL did NOT. And that is historical fact of 3 1/2 years ago. "Forever" is about to cease. The "End of the World As They Know It" is about to happen. Their sky will fall. Chickens Little will scamper about, shouting epithets and nastywords at evil, loathsome no-coders and the "failure" to "keep standards high"..."standards" that have been drilled into their psyches for decades by the Elders of Newington. No, not at all. "Slow Code" is an artifact from the chicken little syndrome. Wince Ficus is one story, Miccolis is another. Both have been brainwashed and don't see it (conditioned thinking leaves that impression on the washed brains). It's just another bad decision by FCC. A good decision. It is MODERNIZATION of some of the many USA civil radio regulations. By now Part 97 might be entering the world of about 1970... :-) They make some good decisions and some bad decisions. True enough. And the Code Free HF license with almost exclusively CW priveleges is an artifact of the piecemeal approach that the FCC uses WRT the ARS. Good point, Brian. However, that came into being several years ago as a result of some relatively obscure lobbying efforts of some pro-coders. The FCC appeased those lobbyists by creating the code-only 6 and 2 meter band slivers. Do you think their BPL decisions are good ones? No. Do you? Tsk, more diversion from the subject. Broadband over Power Lines is NOT under discussion. BPL has NOTHING to do with code testing. I've been gone for a few days, didn't hear about it until late Friday night and then only in a casual remark over a telephone call. Got on a friend's computer and saw that the End of Code Testing was the #1 news item on the FCC home page. [it doesn't appear on the Amateur page under Wireless Bureau, but then little happens there in keeping up to date] Wonder upon wonders! :-) Guess who broke the news here on rrap, Len, by starting this thread? "QUOTE 2. by his tacit admission (and self-praise) never ever done anything wrong nor ever expressed a bad attitude (dictated by the Elders of the Church of St. Hiram). Len, that's what *you* do. Not me. "UNQUOTE ...and self-praise :-) I'd do a Robesin hyena laugh but that is unseemly. :-) Given that Miccolis doesn't seem to do anything with his free time except haunt ham radio places, it's no wonder he hopped in here quick to "post the news." :-) shrug The MEDIA NOTICE was posted on 15 Dec 06 and the R&O text was posted on 19 Dec 06...on the FCC website. It was there for all to see whenever they could get to that website. Some of us (in fact, MOST of us) also do other things and don't "live" in the ham bands nor have adopted some kind of Lifestyle of Everything Evolves Around Amateur Radio. Okay, now I'm reflecting about the GLORY of the democratic process in petitioning our government for a redress of grievances. IT WORKS! Not really. Seems to. Seems that way to me, too. I'm still a believer in the form of government we Americans have in the USA. So much so that I volunteered for military service during a time of war. Miccolis never did such a thing. He can go to another country if he doesn't 'approve' of the USA. An agency of our government believed the words of our citizens in wanting change and is about to rule on that change. A majority of those who commented on the Morse Code test issue wanted at least *some* Morse Code testing to remain. The majority did *not* want complete elimination. Leadership doesn't mean taking a poll. DECISIONS on Reports and Orders aren't made by 'votes' on who comments on what and for which 'side.' All those DECISIONS in FCC 06-178 are clearly and unambiguously stated by the FCC in that Report and Order. [by the way, Brian, you are mentioned in it, footnote 48 on Page 8...:-) ] Report and Order DECISIONS are influenced by the REASONS presented by commenters (to NPRM 05-143). "Reasons" that have become mythos in US amateur radio of the 1930s do NOT necessarily apply in the year 2006. Yet FCC ignored the majority and will completely eliminate Morse Code testing very soon. Explain how ignoring the majority means "IT WORKS". "Serves no regulatory purpose" was the key point. There are several key points and brought out by the FCC in 06-178. Problem is, Miccolis has been taking in too much whine of the sour grapes to admit it. Tsk. CHANGE will happen, despite the former ruling party of pro-coders' spitting and snarling about "spamming" the government with "anti- ham" attitudes wanting the code test gone. :-) Your wordy piles of commentary to FCC amounted to spam, Len, and probably slowed down the process. "Wha, wha, whaaaa" cried the imbiber of whine of sour grapes. Tsk, tsk. There were some 3900 (give or take) commenters on NPRM 05-143 and all are listed on Pages 21 to 41 of 06-178. Only ONE of them is me. :-) On more reflections, FCC 99-412, the R&O establishing the Restructuring of 2000, was released on 30 Dec 1999. I wouldn't be surprised if the FCC releases the R&O on code testing elimination about that same date...the news release (not a law, just a 'media advisory') was done on 15 Dec 2006, almost 7 years later. I think of it as a Christmas Present or the Start of a New Era along with a New Year. Glory in Excelsus! The announcement was made at the end of the business day on a Friday. That way FCC doesn't have to deal with the responses right away. I wonder if the emnergency rooms across the nation were deluged with stroke victims? :-) Not hardly. However, morsemen DO experience some strange "hardening of the arteries" supplying their brains. Few are able to think beyond the 1930s and 1940s' standards and practices in AMATEUR radio. :-) Modernization is Happening in US amateur radio. Regs are finally catching up to late-1900s standards! [catching up, they will be approaching 1980 when the code elimination R&O is released] Did amateurs stop using Morse Code in 1980, Len? They could have. Jimmie tried to DIVERT the subject again. One of the basic parts of FCC 06-178 is the elimination of morse code TESTING. TESTING, not "use." Miccolis is loathe to admit that and inserts his little "bon mots" here and there to show "others" the error of their ways. :-) A majority of "the People" did *not* want complete Morse Code test elimination, Len. FCC gave "the People" what they did not want. They sure didn't listen to the ARRL, thank God! Poor Jimmie Miccolis...he thinks HE is "the people!" :-) [with due apologies to Zenna Henderson...] In a few days the official Report and Order will be released, and in a few weeks it will be effective. The only surprise is how long it has taken for FCC to make the change. Three and a half years since the treaty changed! Those darned treaties. How about that?!? :-) Them darn treaties just didn't give "the people" "what they wanted?!?" :-) Oh, my! So, the International Amateur Radio Union - who prompted for the S25 rewrite were "WRONG" in Miccolis' estimation? Sunnavagun! The "whole world" is "wrong" when the morse- men don't get their way! :-) And once the Morse Code test is completely gone, what will you do, Len? You won't have anything to carry on about on rrap anymore. Nor you. Sayonara. FCC 06-178 has NOT YET been published in the Federal Register (at least to 20 December 2006). Therefore nothing has changed in amateur radio up to that date. Why should any no-code-test advocate leave here? :-) Watching the morsemen get terrible hangovers from the whine of sour grapes is SO much fun! :-) |
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wrote: From: on Tues, Dec 19 2006 6:30 pm So when you trotted that one out way back when, it really was a strawman as I described it then. Yet you said it wasn't. Brian, we have to quit trying to make Miccolis admit to doing wrong. Miccolis "never" does wrong. He is a morse-tested amateur extra...ergo, he never has done anything wrong. There really isn't anything new to comment on here or to "address"...It's the hate-hams against the pro-hams, and that's all that can be said. Lennie is still licenseless and unlikely to obtain a license even under the new rules about to hit the street. His attacks are still anti-Amateur Radio in general and anti-Amateur operators in particular and will never be any different. Brain's too wound up in trying to have ONE friend here that he keeps slapping Lennie on the back all-the-while Lennie's trying to slip a knife into his. Ho hum.... Steve, K4YZ |
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