"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

1. Who won the pool?

See new thread on that subject.

2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses.
Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license
class
entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different
light
on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost
entirely
inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of
amateur radio anymore.

Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers:

1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing.
2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing.
3. The current number of licensees.

I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses
held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include
the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the
R&O.

Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change.

My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to
no
impact on the overall growth of ham radio.

We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth,
but since then we have seen more decline.

The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups:

1) A small number of active hams

2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet,
haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test
upgrade.

3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from
the database once their licenses expire.

While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either
don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also
encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be
auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC
has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things.

73 de Jim, N2EY


You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast
majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands
and
our club roster has no Novice licensees.

Dee, N8UZE


Hello Dee,

I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the
license.

Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

1. Who won the pool?

See new thread on that subject.

2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses.
Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license
class
entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a different
light
on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost
entirely
inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline of
amateur radio anymore.

Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers:

1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing.
2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code testing.
3. The current number of licensees.

I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses
held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to include
the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of the
R&O.

Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change.

My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little to
no
impact on the overall growth of ham radio.

We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw growth,
but since then we have seen more decline.

The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups:

1) A small number of active hams

2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet,
haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test
upgrade.

3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from
the database once their licenses expire.

While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either
don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also
encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be
auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though FCC
has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things.

73 de Jim, N2EY


You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast
majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands
and
our club roster has no Novice licensees.

Dee, N8UZE


Hello Dee,

I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have
the
license.

Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Well anyone with internet access could instantly see through your game plan.

Dee, N8UZE

"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

wrote in message
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Dee Flint wrote:

1. Who won the pool?

See new thread on that subject.

2. It will be interesting to follow the numbers on the licenses.
Please give consideration to either excluding the Novice license
class
entirely or reporting it as a separate item. This puts a
different
light
on the so-called decline of amateur radio. This group is almost
entirely
inactive, not renewing, and not relevant to the growth or decline
of
amateur radio anymore.

Also it might be interesting if you post three sets of numbers:

1. As of May 2000 as you have been doing.
2. As of the effective date of the implementation of no-code
testing.
3. The current number of licensees.

I intend to report all current, unexpired FCC amateur radio licenses
held by individuals, sorted by license class. I also intend to
include
the May 14, 2000 numbers and the numbers from the effective date of
the
R&O.

Three sets of numbers, but only one set will change.

My predictions are that there will be numerous upgrades but little
to
no
impact on the overall growth of ham radio.

We'll see. For a few years after the 2000 restructuring we saw
growth,
but since then we have seen more decline.

The Novice class, IMHO, consists of three groups:

1) A small number of active hams

2) An unknown number of inactive hams who haven't got the word yet,
haven't gotten around to upgrading, or who are waiting for a no-test
upgrade.

3) An unknown number of totally inactive hams who will disappear from
the database once their licenses expire.

While 2) may seem unrealistic, even today I encounter hams who either
don't know about or don't understand the 2000 restructuring. I also
encounter amateurs who think that their Advanced will soon be
auto-upgraded to Extra, or their Tech Plus to General, even though
FCC
has repeatedly denied proposals to do such things.

73 de Jim, N2EY


You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast
majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the
bands
and
our club roster has no Novice licensees.

Dee, N8UZE


Hello Dee,

I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have
the
license.

Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

Well anyone with internet access could instantly see through your game
plan.

Dee, N8UZE


Hello Dee,

No game plan; I've gone back to 5 wpm before. I used to have a lot of fun
when I was on Guam. We had a 40 meter vertical that couldn't be beat. A
tower section 30 feet high on an insulator.

I used to go down into the novice band. It was a lot of fun. One guy
called me from New Jersey. He called "W2AAY de WN2***". I corrected him on
the call. His fist got shakey. "W6AAY de WN2***". Finally I told him he
had the call wrong. DE GUAM ISLAND, KG6AAY". You've never heard a fist get
that bad in a hurry as he was so nervous. It was a lot of fun, however. At
five words per minute.

When one has a Collins S-Line into a Henry 2K amp into a vertical over salt
water ..... no measurable reflected power ... and running maximum legal
power ... and a 200 Hz crystal filter .... I could hear him just fine and
the big rig simply pushed a signal through everything ...

Well, we had a lot of fun

Seriously, I do enjoy cw contacts with newcomers. I also have the ability
to deal with the folks that are hard-core cw folks. We had one guy on a 440
MHz repeater that was complaining that CW was the only way to go.
Fortunately, the owner of the repeater was in the group. I've known him
since 1963. I simply asked for permission to use F-2 modulation.

After receiving permission, I hit the guy with 40 words per minute CW. Case
made, case closed. Tim, WB2KAO, the repeater owner got a bit of a charge
out of that LOL


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim



73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA

"Jim Hampton" wrote in message
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Seriously, I do enjoy cw contacts with newcomers. I also have the ability
to deal with the folks that are hard-core cw folks. We had one guy on a
440
MHz repeater that was complaining that CW was the only way to go.
Fortunately, the owner of the repeater was in the group. I've known him
since 1963. I simply asked for permission to use F-2 modulation.

After receiving permission, I hit the guy with 40 words per minute CW.
Case
made, case closed. Tim, WB2KAO, the repeater owner got a bit of a charge
out of that LOL


That's great. It's a fine example of "be careful what you ask for as you
might get it"!

Dee, N8UZE

Jim Hampton wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message

You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the vast
majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the bands
and
our club roster has no Novice licensees.

Dee, N8UZE

Hello Dee,

I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have the
license.

Will that make you a Novice?

Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun

There are no speed limits for Novices, but there are for higher class
hams who have IDers on repeaters.

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Jim Hampton wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message

You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the
vast
majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the
bands
and
our club roster has no Novice licensees.

Dee, N8UZE

Hello Dee,

I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have
the
license.

Will that make you a Novice?

Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun

There are no speed limits for Novices, but there are for higher class
hams who have IDers on repeaters.


Yes, there are limits on the speeds of *IDs* on a repeater. There are no
limits should someone decide to use F2 (or whatever one wishes to call it
these days) on a repeater LOL. You may be aware of the meteor burst cw
stuff going on at a few *hundred* words per minute, but I'm talking manual
reception of CW.

I can't claim to run 50 words per minute anymore, but I don't have much
trouble at 35. Besides, the callsign would not make me a novice. The
novice class is closed to new applicants. I can apply, however, for a
vanity sign as a former call sign holder

Believe me, I hit one guy big time who was screaming that only cw operators
are the good guys. I hit him with 40 plus words per minute F-2 on the
WB2KAO repeater in Rochester, NY (with permission from the repeater owner
who just happened to be in the group LOL)

)


73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA
ps - I run from 5 words per minute to a bit over 7 .... quite a bit )

Jim Hampton wrote:
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Jim Hampton wrote:
"Dee Flint" wrote in message

You could be right. It's simply my opinion that 3) represents the
vast
majority of Novice licensees. I've met no Novice operators on the
bands
and
our club roster has no Novice licensees.

Dee, N8UZE

Hello Dee,

I swear I am going to apply for WN2CJV, my first license. I still have
the
license.

Will that make you a Novice?

Then set the keyer to 45 words per minute and have some fun

There are no speed limits for Novices, but there are for higher class
hams who have IDers on repeaters.

Yes, there are limits on the speeds of *IDs* on a repeater. There are no
limits should someone decide to use F2 (or whatever one wishes to call it
these days) on a repeater LOL. You may be aware of the meteor burst cw
stuff going on at a few *hundred* words per minute, but I'm talking manual
reception of CW.

The Jan07 issue of QST featured software allowing an OP to manually
copy Morse Code beyond the present highs of 147WPM. It goes up to
200WPM.

I can't claim to run 50 words per minute anymore, but I don't have much
trouble at 35. Besides, the callsign would not make me a novice. The
novice class is closed to new applicants. I can apply, however, for a
vanity sign as a former call sign holder

I ditched my novice call as soon as I could. At 5WPM and putting out a
3x call, it took about 3 weeks to send CQ.

Believe me, I hit one guy big time who was screaming that only cw operators
are the good guys. I hit him with 40 plus words per minute F-2 on the
WB2KAO repeater in Rochester, NY (with permission from the repeater owner
who just happened to be in the group LOL)

)

Did he copy?

73 from Rochester, NY
Jim AA2QA
ps - I run from 5 words per minute to a bit over 7 .... quite a bit )

Fair enough.