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Rules:

1) Predict amount of change in ARS numbers between the IMPLEMENTATION
date of the R&O for elimination of code testing and one year from that
date.
2) Calculation of the number of licenses will be done by N2EY under the
same principals that he uses now to calculate the number of licenses.
3) You must select whole numbers for your percentage.
4) You may select positive or negative percentages.
5) You may select a range but that range may not exceed a total of 4%.
Note that your average will be used to determine who is closest. If the
actual change is outside the range of everyone's guesses then the person
whose limit is closest will be the winner.
6) You must submit your guess no later than six months after the
IMPLEMENTATION date of the R&O.


Anyone else? Note if your guess doesn't show up on the list within a
week, it may mean that my ISP is blocking it or that you are on my blocked
senders list. You may still participate but you will have to have your
guess submitted by someone who is not blocked.

Guesses submitted:

N8UZE: 1% less to 1% more
N2EY: 1% more to 2% more
KH6HZ: 1% less to 0% change
N3KIP: 2% more to 6% more
KH6O: 5% more to 10% more --- Added 12/30/06


Dee, N8UZE

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
. ..
Rules:

1) Predict amount of change in ARS numbers between the IMPLEMENTATION
date of the R&O for elimination of code testing and one year from that
date.
2) Calculation of the number of licenses will be done by N2EY under the
same principals that he uses now to calculate the number of licenses.
3) You must select whole numbers for your percentage.
4) You may select positive or negative percentages.
5) You may select a range but that range may not exceed a total of 4%.
Note that your average will be used to determine who is closest. If the
actual change is outside the range of everyone's guesses then the person
whose limit is closest will be the winner.
6) You must submit your guess no later than six months after the
IMPLEMENTATION date of the R&O.


Anyone else? Note if your guess doesn't show up on the list within a
week, it may mean that my ISP is blocking it or that you are on my
blocked
senders list. You may still participate but you will have to have your
guess submitted by someone who is not blocked.

Guesses submitted:

N8UZE: 1% less to 1% more
N2EY: 1% more to 2% more
KH6HZ: 1% less to 0% change
N3KIP: 2% more to 6% more
KH6O: 5% more to 10% more --- Added 12/30/06


Note: KH6O has been asked to revise his guess as it does not meet the 4% max
range stated above. Your max minus you min cannot exceed 4%.

Dee, N8UZE

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

Rules:

1) Predict amount of change in ARS numbers between the IMPLEMENTATION
date of the R&O for elimination of code testing and one year from that date.
2) Calculation of the number of licenses will be done by N2EY under the
same principals that he uses now to calculate the number of licenses.
3) You must select whole numbers for your percentage.
4) You may select positive or negative percentages.
5) You may select a range but that range may not exceed a total of 4%.
Note that your average will be used to determine who is closest. If the
actual change is outside the range of everyone's guesses then the person
whose limit is closest will be the winner.
6) You must submit your guess no later than six months after the
IMPLEMENTATION date of the R&O.

Anyone else? Note if your guess doesn't show up on the list within a
week, it may mean that my ISP is blocking it or that you are on my
blocked senders list. You may still participate but you will have to have
your
guess submitted by someone who is not blocked.

Guesses submitted:

N8UZE: 1% less to 1% more
N2EY: 1% more to 2% more
KH6HZ: 1% less to 0% change
N3KIP: 2% more to 6% more
KH6O: 6% more to 10% more --- Added 12/30/06, changed to per KH6O to
meet guidelines above.

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...
Dee, N8UZE



I predict that things are in such a mess, God will have to come before
we see much better. :(

Regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...
Dee, N8UZE

I predict that things are in such a mess, God will have to come before we
see much better. :(

Regards,
JS

But do you wish to submit a guess?

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...
But do you wish to submit a guess?

Dee, N8UZE



Guess? No. Logic? Yes.

There will be a lag in new membership, perhaps numbers will begin a slow
growth--perhaps a rapid jump then a slowing off--hard to tell ...

Then, all of a sudden, some magazine, or some group like MENSA will pick
it up, or the college crowd will accept it as "being hip", etc., etc.,
anyway, it will catch on--trendy to be a ham. There will be some new
technology which finally begins to trickle into amateur radio and new
designs in the stagnated equipment; then all of a sudden it will spring
full-blown into "being vogue."

Who knows how, when or where--the important thing is the door now has
been breached. The dead hams fingers have been torn from their death
grips on the hobby. Now, IT CAN HAPPEN!

We all can help, but who can say who will finally be recognized as the
trigger ...

Regards,
JS

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From: John Smith I on Sat, Dec 30 2006 9:42 pm

Dee Flint wrote:
...
But do you wish to submit a guess?

Dee, N8UZE

Guess? No. Logic? Yes.

There will be a lag in new membership, perhaps numbers will begin a slow
growth--perhaps a rapid jump then a slowing off--hard to tell ...

Everyone doing the guessing is working with OLD paradigms.
There's NEVER been a time when there was NO code test, at
least since 1934. Nobody's been exposed to that kind of
environment/situation...all they've got is the old times
when there was ALWAYS a code test.

Then, all of a sudden, some magazine, or some group like MENSA will pick
it up, or the college crowd will accept it as "being hip", etc., etc.,
anyway, it will catch on--trendy to be a ham. There will be some new
technology which finally begins to trickle into amateur radio and new
designs in the stagnated equipment; then all of a sudden it will spring
full-blown into "being vogue."

That's entirely possible but I'd say Unlikely with a
capital U. Just too many old farts ready to jump in
with the standard "they 'know' what is good for ham
radio!" AS IF. :-) [if they 'already knew' why
didn't they DO something about it?]

But, but, but, the NEW DESIGNS in "stagnated equipment"
have ALREADY HAPPENED, beginning between 30 and 20 years
ago. ALL by manufacturers, generally off-shore...by
Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, JRC. Ten-Tec is struggling to stay
in the market (they are a USA company) but isn't achieving
market dominance at all. Note: W1AW uses Harris
transmitters (a pro user market dominant company).

All them handheld VHF and above radios for the US ham
market were pioneered for commercial and military users,
not hams. [this newsgroup doesn't have regulars who
bother with the world above 30 MHz so they are unfamiliar
with it] [maybe Hans Brakob does...but Hans hasn't been
around much in the last year]

Who knows how, when or where--the important thing is the door now has
been breached. The dead hams fingers have been torn from their death
grips on the hobby. Now, IT CAN HAPPEN!

I'll go with that...but it's been a bit late. When one
American in three had a cellphone subscription (two years
ago according to the Bureau of Census) it is UNlikely
that morsemanship on HF to "talk to foreign lands" is
going to be some catchy, with-it motivation. Ordinary
folk can just dial direct on the telephone system at
lesser cost than paying $2K for a "free" ham station.

We all can help, but who can say who will finally be recognized as the
trigger ...

An ACTOR could begin the publicity. Imagine...a HAM ACTOR!
I can see the ARRL news headlines now...BSEG

Of course, the L.A. area is rather FULL of "ham actors"
who only need AMPAS and SAG "licenses" (actually registry)
to do their "ham" thing. :-)

"There's no business like show business..." :-)

Regards,
LA

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...
But do you wish to submit a guess?

Dee, N8UZE

Guess? No. Logic? Yes.

There will be a lag in new membership, perhaps numbers will begin a slow
growth--perhaps a rapid jump then a slowing off--hard to tell ...

Then, all of a sudden, some magazine, or some group like MENSA will pick
it up, or the college crowd will accept it as "being hip", etc., etc.,
anyway, it will catch on--trendy to be a ham. There will be some new
technology which finally begins to trickle into amateur radio and new
designs in the stagnated equipment; then all of a sudden it will spring
full-blown into "being vogue."

Who knows how, when or where--the important thing is the door now has been
breached. The dead hams fingers have been torn from their death grips on
the hobby. Now, IT CAN HAPPEN!

We all can help, but who can say who will finally be recognized as the
trigger ...

Regards,
JS

Put a number and time frame to your "logic". If you can't then it's still a
guess just like all of ours. For the pool that I'm doing, the time frame is
fixed at one year from the implementation date.

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...

Dee:

I don't have to point out to you that I am UN-politically correct,
indeed, I take great pride in being so ...

So, I am going to lay it on you straight. Because you are here in a
male dominated HOBBY--from the get-go, I accept you are probably a bit
"taller" than most women you stand next to. I'd also suspect you
capable of a bit more logic than most women I have ever run across, my
present XYL excluded.

What I have presented to you IS LOGIC. Anything more would be "just a
guess." Fools make guesses when logic avails them ...

This is just a means to "belittle" non-CW licensees, I'd expect more
from you--stand away from the "good 'ole boys", now is your chance to
show what metal you are made of ... history is watching.

Please pay close attention to what is occurring here. The good 'ole
boys are about their business as usual, no change. Even, at this point,
the FCC has had to throw it "in their face" that the ploy of using CW to
limit licensees will NO longer be permitted.

Now these hams, who's time has and gone, keep right up with the
insanity--like some alcoholic so addicted to bad behavior, they have
become 'addicted' and can no longer help themselves. These men and
women now need to be seen for what they are. If they hold offices in
amateur institutions or clubs, they need to removed and replaced. They
need to be taken to task, their little control games need to be stopped.
They need to be "put on a shelf, and put away from harming the hobby."

Don't be one of them ...

Warmest regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...

Dee:

I don't have to point out to you that I am UN-politically correct, indeed,
I take great pride in being so ...

So, I am going to lay it on you straight. Because you are here in a male
dominated HOBBY--from the get-go, I accept you are probably a bit "taller"
than most women you stand next to. I'd also suspect you capable of a bit
more logic than most women I have ever run across, my present XYL
excluded.


Well I am a working engineer with a degree in Aerospace Engineering and now
working as an automotive engineer.

What I have presented to you IS LOGIC. Anything more would be "just a
guess." Fools make guesses when logic avails them ...


It is not "logic" when it depends on other, unpredictable factors to cause
the growth. If it it not predictable, it is not yet logic. Logic depends
on the known to project the future. I accept that these are all just
guesses. We are indulging in some idle speculation.

This is just a means to "belittle" non-CW licensees, I'd expect more from
you--stand away from the "good 'ole boys", now is your chance to show what
metal you are made of ... history is watching.


It is in no way intended to "belittle" the non-CW licensees. One of the
arguments was that the CW test requirement kept a significant number of
people out of ham radio. Such statements were made by a wide variety of
people included some who were code tested. Others (including myself)
believe that there are not large numbers of people waiting in the wings to
enter ham radio (upgrade yes, enter no). Well the CW test requirement is
gone. It is perfectly logical to see if it has a significant effect on
amateur radio growth.

The intent of this is to get people to pay attention to the growth or lack
thereof for the very reason that "history is watching". The effect of this
change could be significant in shaping future regulatory changes. It would
be foolish for people and organizations not to watch for the effect.

Please pay close attention to what is occurring here. The good 'ole boys
are about their business as usual, no change. Even, at this point, the
FCC has had to throw it "in their face" that the ploy of using CW to limit
licensees will NO longer be permitted.


1. The CW testing was NEVER intended to limit the number of licensees no
matter what some of the hams said.
2. The CW testing was NEVER intended to be a lid filter no matter what some
of the hams said.
3. The CW testing was NEVER intended to be a right of passage no matter what
some of the hams said.
4. It was intended to test for a knowledge that was deemed reasonable for
every ham to have. I.e. it was one of the basics of amateur radio nothing
more and nothing less. While I believe it is still one of the basics and
should be tested for, the FCC has deemed it otherwise.

Items 1 thru 3 were false arguments and were just as harmful to the amateur
radio community as the false used by those who wished to eliminate the test
(i.e. too hard for otherwise qualified individuals was bogus).


Now these hams, who's time has and gone, keep right up with the
insanity--like some alcoholic so addicted to bad behavior, they have
become 'addicted' and can no longer help themselves. These men and women
now need to be seen for what they are. If they hold offices in amateur
institutions or clubs, they need to removed and replaced. They need to be
taken to task, their little control games need to be stopped. They need to
be "put on a shelf, and put away from harming the hobby."


Well all the hams I know are contacting every Tech they know inside and
outside of the club and telling them about the change and providing them
with the info on test sessions available in the area so they can get ready
and upgrade as soon as possible. I personally know that some of these hams
provding this info on the change were violently opposed to dropping the code
test requirement. They've moved beyond that and moved to the "Elmer" mode.

I've got a double size team of VEs who have committed to show up for the
test sessions for the next few months in case we get an influx of new and
upgrading applicants.

Don't be one of them ...

Warmest regards,
JS

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...
It is not "logic" when it depends on other, unpredictable factors to cause
the growth. If it it not predictable, it is not yet logic. Logic depends
on the known to project the future. I accept that these are all just
guesses. We are indulging in some idle speculation.


Logic guides the use of "probability and statistics" and this is what we
are dealing with here. Although that law contains unknowns and
variables, at least the general direction can be logically deduced, the
pitfalls cited, the games recorded, the evil personalities noted--it is
as I originally stated--I stand behind that 100%--logic suggest EXACTLY
what I stated.

You are NOT indulging in idle speculation. Like a chronic abuser or
wife beater, you hide in the shadows, you have denied your crimes,
carefully cloaking them in methods, maneuvers and actions which can
"argued" to be of a different nature--however, the bruises are
noticeable! You belittle NON-CW hams in the subtle, sneaky, perverse,
under-handed and imbecilic ways of human trash ...

Act like an adult and treat those who deserve it as such. I know the
temptation is great to do otherwise--all these children running about
can distract one here in the r.r.a groups ...

It is in no way intended to "belittle" the non-CW licensees. One of the
arguments was that the CW test requirement kept a significant number of
people out of ham radio. Such statements were made by a wide variety of
people included some who were code tested. Others (including myself)
believe that there are not large numbers of people waiting in the wings to
enter ham radio (upgrade yes, enter no). Well the CW test requirement is
gone. It is perfectly logical to see if it has a significant effect on
amateur radio growth.


Without a doubt, the CW element HAS made it just difficult enough that
others choose other hobbies. ONLY a fool would claim the
contrary--think before you describe yourself as a fool ...

Changes will happen ... it is only a matter of time and people finding
out the old "King of the Hill" bunch are gone, their bite is no more,
those are only the false teeth of the old invalids you see before you
"watch dogging" the gates of ham radio ...

The intent of this is to get people to pay attention to the growth or lack
thereof for the very reason that "history is watching". The effect of this
change could be significant in shaping future regulatory changes. It would
be foolish for people and organizations not to watch for the effect.


Yes. Many have given up on the imbecilic old hams guarding the gates of
amateur radio. We need to find them and invite them back--the remaining
chicken banders need informing ... there would be no HISTORY without
people, perhaps I should have said "sane people are watching."

Regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...
It is not "logic" when it depends on other, unpredictable factors to
cause the growth. If it it not predictable, it is not yet logic. Logic
depends on the known to project the future. I accept that these are all
just guesses. We are indulging in some idle speculation.


Logic guides the use of "probability and statistics" and this is what we
are dealing with here. Although that law contains unknowns and variables,
at least the general direction can be logically deduced, the pitfalls
cited, the games recorded, the evil personalities noted--it is as I
originally stated--I stand behind that 100%--logic suggest EXACTLY what I
stated.


While logic uses probability and statistics, you have presented exactly
none. You cannot assign a probability value to the other factors that you
name. Therefore they are not usable in logic.

You are NOT indulging in idle speculation. Like a chronic abuser or wife
beater, you hide in the shadows, you have denied your crimes, carefully
cloaking them in methods, maneuvers and actions which can "argued" to be
of a different nature--however, the bruises are noticeable! You belittle
NON-CW hams in the subtle, sneaky, perverse, under-handed and imbecilic
ways of human trash ...


You are wrong. There were several code-tested hams who predicted huge
growth in amateur radio due to eliminating the requirement. As I said
before, it behooves us to watch the numbers and see if it works. To ignore
it is to attempt to shape the future with insufficient data.

Act like an adult and treat those who deserve it as such. I know the
temptation is great to do otherwise--all these children running about can
distract one here in the r.r.a groups ...

It is in no way intended to "belittle" the non-CW licensees. One of the
arguments was that the CW test requirement kept a significant number of
people out of ham radio. Such statements were made by a wide variety of
people included some who were code tested. Others (including myself)
believe that there are not large numbers of people waiting in the wings
to enter ham radio (upgrade yes, enter no). Well the CW test requirement
is gone. It is perfectly logical to see if it has a significant effect
on amateur radio growth.


Without a doubt, the CW element HAS made it just difficult enough that
others choose other hobbies. ONLY a fool would claim the contrary--think
before you describe yourself as a fool ...


I am simply trying to get a handle on the actual numbers of people that
would have chosen other hobbies because of the code. And have everyone,
those who predict little or no affect and those who predict a lot of effect
to pay attention to what actually happens. If people have fun in a pool,
they will pay attention to the numbers.

I'd be ecstatic if we had a huge growth. However, I happen to think that is
unrealistic since most people I know outside of ham radio hardly know it
even exists let alone the requirements to participate.

Changes will happen ... it is only a matter of time and people finding out
the old "King of the Hill" bunch are gone, their bite is no more, those
are only the false teeth of the old invalids you see before you "watch
dogging" the gates of ham radio ...


Why are you so convinced that there are significant numbers of such people?
Very few people that I know fall into this category. As stated before, our
club members and others I know are very busy spreading the word on the
change regardless of whether they agree with it.

The intent of this is to get people to pay attention to the growth or
lack thereof for the very reason that "history is watching". The effect
of this change could be significant in shaping future regulatory changes.
It would be foolish for people and organizations not to watch for the
effect.


Yes. Many have given up on the imbecilic old hams guarding the gates of
amateur radio. We need to find them and invite them back--the remaining
chicken banders need informing ... there would be no HISTORY without
people, perhaps I should have said "sane people are watching."

Regards,
JS

Why do you seem convinced that there are significant numbers of oldsters
trying to "guard the gates"? It is certainly inconsistent with my
experience. All I've seen are a limited handful. They've had no success
since there are so many other good oldsters out there helping out.

Why are you being derogatory towards those who operate Citizen's Band? I
know many nice people who operate CB. My neighbor for one. So far he has
evinced no interest in ham radio even though we've demonstrated amateur
radio to him. He's quite happy with his circle of friends on CB and has no
interest in going further. Since he's shown no interest, we never got
around to discussing the requirements.

Dee, N8UZE

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From: John Smith I on Sun, Dec 31 2006 10:07 am

Dee Flint wrote:

...

Dee:

I don't have to point out to you that I am UN-politically correct,
indeed, I take great pride in being so ...

Okay, John, be prepared to be in Dee's "killfile." She
doesn't care for those who are Un-politically correct.
:-)

So, I am going to lay it on you straight. Because you are here in a
male dominated HOBBY--from the get-go, I accept you are probably a bit
"taller" than most women you stand next to. I'd also suspect you
capable of a bit more logic than most women I have ever run across, my
present XYL excluded.

What I have presented to you IS LOGIC. Anything more would be "just a
guess." Fools make guesses when logic avails them ...

This "pool" is basically some nattering among the
morse mavens and/or a means of making nice-nice with
chatty messaging on a subject nobody can accurately
predict. I think it's supposed to be like the hostess
at a party being very busy with nagging everyone to
have a good time. :-)

This is just a means to "belittle" non-CW licensees, I'd expect more
from you--stand away from the "good 'ole boys", now is your chance to
show what metal you are made of ... history is watching.

This "pool" *IS* a means to belittle non-coders. Look
at the past in he Dee is an avowed OOK CW morse-
person. She isn't about to suddenly embrace a landmark
change in elimination of the code test with enthusiasm.

Please pay close attention to what is occurring here. The good 'ole
boys are about their business as usual, no change. Even, at this point,
the FCC has had to throw it "in their face" that the ploy of using CW to
limit licensees will NO longer be permitted.

Absolutely. :-(

Now these hams, who's time has and gone, keep right up with the
insanity--like some alcoholic so addicted to bad behavior, they have
become 'addicted' and can no longer help themselves. These men and
women now need to be seen for what they are. If they hold offices in
amateur institutions or clubs, they need to removed and replaced. They
need to be taken to task, their little control games need to be stopped.
They need to be "put on a shelf, and put away from harming the hobby."

THAT ain't gonna happen, John.

Those mentally-conditioned morse mavens "know what is best
for ham radio" and aren't going to be put away without an
enormous fight to retain their power. Worse yet, they have
supporters who are as mentally-conditioned and will fight
with them. [they also know "what is best" (they say)]

Good grief, I see a "Sunni v. Shiite" continuing "battle"
for the future in US amateur radio. Or make it the
Catholics v. Protestants in Northern Ireland. Constant
fight-fight-fight over "supremacy." Idiotic.

Don't be one of them ...

She will be...and that's no guess or logic. Dee knows
what is best for amateur radio. Anything new or
revolutionary gets placed in her killfile where she
won't see it...after her trying to spank the "kiddies"
who dare speak against her. :-(

LA

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Dee Flint wrote:

You are wrong. There were several code-tested hams who predicted huge
growth in amateur radio due to eliminating the requirement. As I said
before, it behooves us to watch the numbers and see if it works. To ignore
it is to attempt to shape the future with insufficient data.


You are more than entitled to your opinion.

Why are you so convinced that there are significant numbers of such people?
Very few people that I know fall into this category. As stated before, our
club members and others I know are very busy spreading the word on the
change regardless of whether they agree with it.


Because I do chat with the angry truckers and cb'ers who bypassed ham
radio because of CW--try to get out more. You seem to have developed a
case of "Ham Vision", closely related to Tunnel Vision, yanno?

Why do you seem convinced that there are significant numbers of oldsters
trying to "guard the gates"? It is certainly inconsistent with my
experience. All I've seen are a limited handful. They've had no success
since there are so many other good oldsters out there helping out.


Because I share the newsgroups with these ancient relics? Because their
attitudes drip with "I am special?" And, "Trailer Trash CB'ers?" Gee
Dee, I thought you much brighter than that, could be the people you are
hanging about with, like I said, "Try to get out more!"

Why are you being derogatory towards those who operate Citizen's Band? I
know many nice people who operate CB. My neighbor for one. So far he has
evinced no interest in ham radio even though we've demonstrated amateur
radio to him. He's quite happy with his circle of friends on CB and has no
interest in going further. Since he's shown no interest, we never got
around to discussing the requirements.


You are about to meet some of those "nice angry CB'ers." grin

Regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:

You are wrong. There were several code-tested hams who predicted huge
growth in amateur radio due to eliminating the requirement. As I said
before, it behooves us to watch the numbers and see if it works. To
ignore it is to attempt to shape the future with insufficient data.


You are more than entitled to your opinion.

Why are you so convinced that there are significant numbers of such
people? Very few people that I know fall into this category. As stated
before, our club members and others I know are very busy spreading the
word on the change regardless of whether they agree with it.


Because I do chat with the angry truckers and cb'ers who bypassed ham
radio because of CW--try to get out more. You seem to have developed a
case of "Ham Vision", closely related to Tunnel Vision, yanno?


Again they aren't here. Perhaps they are local to your area. The
propagation being what it is at the bottom of the sunspot cycle, the CB band
is mostly local communications at the moment.

Why do you seem convinced that there are significant numbers of oldsters
trying to "guard the gates"? It is certainly inconsistent with my
experience. All I've seen are a limited handful. They've had no success
since there are so many other good oldsters out there helping out.


Because I share the newsgroups with these ancient relics? Because their
attitudes drip with "I am special?" And, "Trailer Trash CB'ers?" Gee
Dee, I thought you much brighter than that, could be the people you are
hanging about with, like I said, "Try to get out more!"


Have you noticed though that there are only a handful of people in the
newsgroups, especially in this one? They repeate the same things over and
over. And yes I repeat mine too. The limited number of people that hang
out here is hardly a representative example.

And if you will notice I never subscribed to the arguments of most of those
who post here. I've never believed it code testing was supposed to be any
kind of limiter, lid filter, or rite of passage. I also notice that you cut
those sections of my posts referring to the fact that I believe those
arguments to be invalid and harmful to amateur radio just as I believe the
argument that many people are unable to learn code is invalid and harmful.

In additon, I have never made any derogatory comments about people on the
Citizen's Band. You must be confusing me with someone else. Like any other
group, there are good people and bad people.

Why are you being derogatory towards those who operate Citizen's Band? I
know many nice people who operate CB. My neighbor for one. So far he
has evinced no interest in ham radio even though we've demonstrated
amateur radio to him. He's quite happy with his circle of friends on CB
and has no interest in going further. Since he's shown no interest, we
never got around to discussing the requirements.


You are about to meet some of those "nice angry CB'ers." grin

Regards,
JS

Like I said, there is a wide range of people in CB and I've never referred
to them by any of the multitude of derogatory names that people have come up
with.

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...

Like I said, "Try to get out more."

I live at a major trucking hub, Stockton, CA--the anus of the world.
Sacramento, the capital, is but a scant 40 miles on either hwy 99 or hwy
5. It is truckers who still influence this being a "CB hotspot." I
have my 10M rig always setting on CH. 17--27.165Mhz. While CH. 19 to
CH. 21 (27.185Mhz-27.215Mhz) are usually considered the "truckers
channels", here it is CH. 17 or you talk to yourself.

As the mooseluums take over trucking, buying up all the small trucking
companies, I notice their numbers are declining--truckers with CB's/10M
equipment, still much, much more action there than the ham
bands--especially local traffic.

Frankly, I wonder if most here don't "live in another world?" Of
course, I do--living here. Don't worry though, for me, next year I plan
on leaving california. The loonies here can have it ...

Regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:
...

Len:
Everyone doing the guessing is working with OLD paradigms.
There's NEVER been a time when there was NO code test, at
least since 1934. Nobody's been exposed to that kind of
environment/situation...all they've got is the old times
when there was ALWAYS a code test.


Well, since that paragraph is totally composed of logic--hope you don't
expect an argument from me! YEP, pretty much like that alright ...

That's entirely possible but I'd say Unlikely with a
capital U. Just too many old farts ready to jump in
with the standard "they 'know' what is good for ham
radio!" AS IF. :-) [if they 'already knew' why
didn't they DO something about it?]


Again, hope you don't expect an argument from me. Heck, these newsgroups
are full of such and only prove the very point you make here ...

But, but, but, the NEW DESIGNS in "stagnated equipment"
have ALREADY HAPPENED, beginning between 30 and 20 years
ago. ALL by manufacturers, generally off-shore...by
Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, JRC. Ten-Tec is struggling to stay
in the market (they are a USA company) but isn't achieving
market dominance at all. Note: W1AW uses Harris
transmitters (a pro user market dominant company).


Now here, I disagree with you. That is STILL ancient technology, thinking
and design. See that computer in front of you, when you can no longer
tell the difference between that computer and your rig--WELCOME TO THE NEW
MILLENNIUM!!!

All them handheld VHF and above radios for the US ham
market were pioneered for commercial and military users,
not hams. [this newsgroup doesn't have regulars who
bother with the world above 30 MHz so they are unfamiliar
with it] [maybe Hans Brakob does...but Hans hasn't been
around much in the last year]


Again, no argument here ...

Too bad. Several of us do quite a bit of work above 30MHz. The strange
thing is other than the repeaters, I seldom find any Technicians out there.


I'll go with that...but it's been a bit late. When one
American in three had a cellphone subscription (two years
ago according to the Bureau of Census) it is UNlikely
that morsemanship on HF to "talk to foreign lands" is
going to be some catchy, with-it motivation. Ordinary
folk can just dial direct on the telephone system at
lesser cost than paying $2K for a "free" ham station.


Again, absolutely. However, if ham radio is in vogue, pocket books will
open and the director calls, "ACTION!"


Anything that depends on being "in vogue" can just as quickly go "out of
vogue". I want people who are interested in amateur radio not a
"fashionable activity".

An ACTOR could begin the publicity. Imagine...a HAM ACTOR!
I can see the ARRL news headlines now...BSEG

Of course, the L.A. area is rather FULL of "ham actors"
who only need AMPAS and SAG "licenses" (actually registry)
to do their "ham" thing. :-)

"There's no business like show business..." :-) Regards,
LA


Len, Len, Len. Most hams are the slowest dimwits I have ever had the
misfortune to participate with. Now don't get me wrong, mixed up in their
senseless mass are a few sheer geniuses, but the ratio is about (100
dummies):(1 bright) and just to find sane hams one has to cope with the
ratio of (10 insane):(1 sane).

But then, you already knew that ...


That's probably the same ratio as in the rest of the population. Why should
ham radio be any different?

Warmest regards,
JS

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...

Too bad. Several of us do quite a bit of work above 30MHz. The strange
thing is other than the repeaters, I seldom find any Technicians out there.


Really, know about spread spectrum? Know anyone to give you some
frequency ring keys? Yanno, there be pirates in those waters bucko!
Perhaps you have noticed a bit more background noise ... ever see any
"strange activity" there, or hear conversations which seem to be spoken
in code? Hear strangely modulated signals?


Anything that depends on being "in vogue" can just as quickly go "out of
vogue". I want people who are interested in amateur radio not a
"fashionable activity".


There ya go! Right close to the real problem now, aren't we. Let me
be blunt--just to make the point hit home ... who gives a damn what Dee
wants? Don't hold yer breath ...


That's probably the same ratio as in the rest of the population. Why should
ham radio be any different?


Because in software engineering the ratios are about backwards to those
found in "amateur radio", because in colleges the ratio is about
backwards to those found in amateur radio ... as a matter of fact, among
all technical minded people that ratio is about backwards to what is
found here--does that provide a clue to what is wrong here? You
beginning to see the matrix?

However, got some damn good brass pounders here! They probably can play
a musical instrument too! Well, at least a kazoo. grin

Regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...

Too bad. Several of us do quite a bit of work above 30MHz. The strange
thing is other than the repeaters, I seldom find any Technicians out
there.


Really, know about spread spectrum? Know anyone to give you some
frequency ring keys? Yanno, there be pirates in those waters bucko!
Perhaps you have noticed a bit more background noise ... ever see any
"strange activity" there, or hear conversations which seem to be spoken in
code? Hear strangely modulated signals?


Anything that depends on being "in vogue" can just as quickly go "out of
vogue". I want people who are interested in amateur radio not a
"fashionable activity".


There ya go! Right close to the real problem now, aren't we. Let me be
blunt--just to make the point hit home ... who gives a damn what Dee
wants? Don't hold yer breath ...


Anyone who takes up a hobby because it is "fashionable" to do so will not
cause an enduring growth in amateur radio. It is not an issue of what I
want. It is called facing reality. Fashions come and go. To insure the
long term health of ham radio, we need a sustainable growth pattern not
erratic blips due to people taking it up because it is in vogue.


That's probably the same ratio as in the rest of the population. Why
should ham radio be any different?


Because in software engineering the ratios are about backwards to those
found in "amateur radio", because in colleges the ratio is about backwards
to those found in amateur radio ... as a matter of fact, among all
technical minded people that ratio is about backwards to what is found
here--does that provide a clue to what is wrong here? You beginning to
see the matrix?


Really, I've met just as many idiots in the technical fields as outside of
it. The biggest difference is that those with the degree or working on the
degree seem to feel that means they automatically have a higher IQ. That
just isn't so.

Dee, N8UZE

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:
...
Okay, John, be prepared to be in Dee's "killfile." She
doesn't care for those who are Un-politically correct.
:-)


I'd be crushed ... but, then again, I have gotten over worse.


I've never killfiled anyone over being politically incorrect. I happen to
enjoy a spirited debate so long as it does not descend to name calling and
snide remarks. I don't do it myself and won't tolerate those who do for
very long. That is precisely why I have kill filed Morgan and Anderson.
Neither one is able to continue a discussion without stooping to such
tactics. Once name calling and snide remarks enter the discussion it is
both boring and pointless to continue. I make every effort to avoid being
sucked into such an exchange.

I've not had a reason to kill file you yet and hopefully never will have a
reason. That we disagree in our points of view makes for stimulating
discussions. It would be rather boring if everyone agreed all the time
don't you think?

This "pool" is basically some nattering among the
morse mavens and/or a means of making nice-nice with
chatty messaging on a subject nobody can accurately
predict. I think it's supposed to be like the hostess
at a party being very busy with nagging everyone to
have a good time. :-)


Well, yeah, I can see the similarity you point out ...


As previously stated, I want everyone to pay attention. A pool does that. I
do not pretend that anyone can really predict it either. I have clearly
labelled them as guesses. It would be wonderful if the optomists are right.

This "pool" *IS* a means to belittle non-coders. Look
at the past in he Dee is an avowed OOK CW morse-
person. She isn't about to suddenly embrace a landmark
change in elimination of the code test with enthusiasm.


Yes. Pretty obvious, huh? Makes you wonder why some find it so hard to
get that little point--suppose we are just gifted? Maybe we escaped the
"dumbing down" of ham radio. I knew that incessant habit of banging that
key for hours on end would do some type of damage--now in looking back,
who would have supposed it would have done that much brain damage? Ya'
think the surgeon general should make 'em put a warning on side of the box
the key comes in?


It's amazing to me that people refer to me as a morseperson. Not even half
my contacts happen to be morse. In addition, I hate the "politically
correct" suffix of "-person" in any application. As my father used to say,
it is putting the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble. The suffix "-man"
simply carries the older meaning of human being. Personally I think we
should go back to the term "werman" which was the term for the males just
like "woman" was the term for the females. Somehow the prefix on "werman"
was dropped.

Looking back at my own life, I've never cared whether I was "politically
correct" or not. I have always had my own goals and worked toward them. I
did not let me direct me towards what they thought I should do or like.


[snip]
She will be...and that's no guess or logic. Dee knows
what is best for amateur radio. Anything new or
revolutionary gets placed in her killfile where she
won't see it...after her trying to spank the "kiddies"
who dare speak against her. :-(

LA


You might be right, perhaps she has smoked the opium pipe much too often
with 'em :(

Warmest regards,
JS

Well now you see Len's tactics of insulting and denigrating anyone who
disagrees with him rather than debating the subject. I've never said that I
know what is best for amateur radio. However like everyone here (including
Anderson), I'm entitled to express my opinion and have a right to ignore
those who are incapable of debating without stooping to insults, name
calling, denigration, etc.

I've had many pleasant exchanges with Kim (W5TIT) even though we disagree on
almost everything. Alun (N3KIP) and I also disagree on many issues yet our
debates are very enjoyable.

Dee, N8UZE

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
. ..

[snip]

Looking back at my own life, I've never cared whether I was "politically
correct" or not. I have always had my own goals and worked toward them.
I did not let me direct me towards what they thought I should do or like.


correction:

"I did not let others direct me..."

Sometimes my thoughts are running ahead of my fingers.

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...

Dee:

I will be perfectly frank with you. You are very unique, you are female
and you are here; I have a great respect for that one simple fact. Your
sisters seem to lack both the ability and determination to follow you
here ...

I will treat you as I treat any male here, you deserve no less. The
fact you are here gives me confidence you will not turn and run easily;
again, I can have a deep respect for that.

I may fault you, differ with you, be angry with you, in the end I would
shake your hand as that of any other here. You have no need to fear me.
I have only verbal and text arguments to present--my ideas and
opinions, if you like.

Constantly, throughout my entire life I have changed. I may not be the
same man next year as I stand here today. I wish never to get so old I
cannot learn, change, adapt, get along, or face life head on, say my
piece and be done with it. I have great respect for others attempting
the same as I am ...

Now, although I think you suffer from the personalties who have trapped
your ear and offer their guidance to you, I have respect for your
arguments. I will hear your arguments and argue mine against yours,
others, or an army of others.

I doubt you will do differently--that is, if I am any judge of character
at all.

Warmest regards,
John Smith

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Dee Flint wrote:
...
"I did not let others direct me..."

Sometimes my thoughts are running ahead of my fingers.

Dee, N8UZE



Well, if you ever have made that mistake (as I have done in past times),
never allow them again ...

Warmest regards,
JS

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"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...

Dee:

I will be perfectly frank with you. You are very unique, you are female
and you are here; I have a great respect for that one simple fact. Your
sisters seem to lack both the ability and determination to follow you here
...

I will treat you as I treat any male here, you deserve no less. The fact
you are here gives me confidence you will not turn and run easily; again,
I can have a deep respect for that.

I may fault you, differ with you, be angry with you, in the end I would
shake your hand as that of any other here. You have no need to fear me. I
have only verbal and text arguments to present--my ideas and opinions, if
you like.

Constantly, throughout my entire life I have changed. I may not be the
same man next year as I stand here today. I wish never to get so old I
cannot learn, change, adapt, get along, or face life head on, say my piece
and be done with it. I have great respect for others attempting the same
as I am ...

Now, although I think you suffer from the personalties who have trapped
your ear and offer their guidance to you, I have respect for your
arguments. I will hear your arguments and argue mine against yours,
others, or an army of others.

I doubt you will do differently--that is, if I am any judge of character
at all.

Warmest regards,
John Smith

What else can I say but thank you.

Dee, N8UZE

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Dee Flint wrote:
...
What else can I say but thank you.

Dee, N8UZE



No Dee. I should have thanked you. You have given me much enjoyment in
our banter, discussion and arguments here.

If not for you, Cecil, Roy, Richard and possibly others, I'd have made
everyone happy and left for good! grin

Thanks! :)
JS

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John Smith I wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
...
What else can I say but thank you.

Dee, N8UZE


No Dee. I should have thanked you. You have given me much enjoyment in
our banter, discussion and arguments here.

If not for you, Cecil, Roy, Richard and possibly others, I'd have made
everyone happy and left for good! grin

Thanks! :)
JS

Oh yeah, I forgot Len, last, but not least :)

JS

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"Dee Flint" wrote in message
...

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
Dee Flint wrote:
...

Too bad. Several of us do quite a bit of work above 30MHz. The
strange
thing is other than the repeaters, I seldom find any Technicians out
there.


Really, know about spread spectrum? Know anyone to give you some
frequency ring keys? Yanno, there be pirates in those waters bucko!
Perhaps you have noticed a bit more background noise ... ever see any
"strange activity" there, or hear conversations which seem to be spoken
in
code? Hear strangely modulated signals?


Anything that depends on being "in vogue" can just as quickly go "out
of
vogue". I want people who are interested in amateur radio not a
"fashionable activity".


There ya go! Right close to the real problem now, aren't we. Let me
be
blunt--just to make the point hit home ... who gives a damn what Dee
wants? Don't hold yer breath ...


Anyone who takes up a hobby because it is "fashionable" to do so will not
cause an enduring growth in amateur radio. It is not an issue of what I
want. It is called facing reality. Fashions come and go. To insure the
long term health of ham radio, we need a sustainable growth pattern not
erratic blips due to people taking it up because it is in vogue.


That's probably the same ratio as in the rest of the population. Why
should ham radio be any different?


Because in software engineering the ratios are about backwards to those
found in "amateur radio", because in colleges the ratio is about
backwards
to those found in amateur radio ... as a matter of fact, among all
technical minded people that ratio is about backwards to what is found
here--does that provide a clue to what is wrong here? You beginning to
see the matrix?


Really, I've met just as many idiots in the technical fields as outside of
it. The biggest difference is that those with the degree or working on
the
degree seem to feel that means they automatically have a higher IQ. That
just isn't so.

Dee, N8UZE

Well said, Dee. Like you, I've met many men and women whose IQ and learning
abilities often far surpass those of the 2.0 grade average college grad who
had to cheat on finals simply to get a "D" average.

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John Smith I wrote:
wrote:
...

Len:
Everyone doing the guessing is working with OLD paradigms.
There's NEVER been a time when there was NO code test, at
least since 1934. Nobody's been exposed to that kind of
environment/situation...all they've got is the old times
when there was ALWAYS a code test.

Well, since that paragraph is totally composed of logic--hope you don't
expect an argument from me! YEP, pretty much like that alright ...

Every Mighty Macho Morseman has disagreed with that.
I am "always mistaken." :-)

That's entirely possible but I'd say Unlikely with a
capital U. Just too many old farts ready to jump in
with the standard "they 'know' what is good for ham
radio!" AS IF. :-) [if they 'already knew' why
didn't they DO something about it?]

Again, hope you don't expect an argument from me. Heck, these
newsgroups are full of such and only prove the very point you make here ...

No argument expected, John. I'm probably preaching to
the choir but I'm also rather savoring retribution! evil smirk

But, but, but, the NEW DESIGNS in "stagnated equipment"
have ALREADY HAPPENED, beginning between 30 and 20 years
ago. ALL by manufacturers, generally off-shore...by
Yaesu, Kenwood, Icom, JRC. Ten-Tec is struggling to stay
in the market (they are a USA company) but isn't achieving
market dominance at all. Note: W1AW uses Harris
transmitters (a pro user market dominant company).

Now here, I disagree with you. That is STILL ancient technology,
thinking and design. See that computer in front of you, when you can no
longer tell the difference between that computer and your rig--WELCOME
TO THE NEW MILLENNIUM!!!

Actually, that "computer look-alike" has already been done.
Twice. Maybe three times. Icom has a nice little box whose
control panel is the PC itself.

But...I digress...unlicensed (in the amateur service) are NOT
allowed to observe, conclude, or voice ANY opinion on
ANYTHING in amateur radio! [but, "you knew that" dintya?]

All them handheld VHF and above radios for the US ham
market were pioneered for commercial and military users,
not hams. [this newsgroup doesn't have regulars who
bother with the world above 30 MHz so they are unfamiliar
with it] [maybe Hans Brakob does...but Hans hasn't been
around much in the last year]

Again, no argument here ...

I'll go with that...but it's been a bit late. When one
American in three had a cellphone subscription (two years
ago according to the Bureau of Census) it is UNlikely
that morsemanship on HF to "talk to foreign lands" is
going to be some catchy, with-it motivation. Ordinary
folk can just dial direct on the telephone system at
lesser cost than paying $2K for a "free" ham station.

Again, absolutely. However, if ham radio is in vogue, pocket books will
open and the director calls, "ACTION!"

THAT will be the day. :-)

An ACTOR could begin the publicity. Imagine...a HAM ACTOR!
I can see the ARRL news headlines now...BSEG

Of course, the L.A. area is rather FULL of "ham actors"
who only need AMPAS and SAG "licenses" (actually registry)
to do their "ham" thing. :-)

"There's no business like show business..." :-)

Len, Len, Len. Most hams are the slowest dimwits I have ever had the
misfortune to participate with. Now don't get me wrong, mixed up in
their senseless mass are a few sheer geniuses, but the ratio is about
(100 dummies):(1 bright) and just to find sane hams one has to cope with
the ratio of (10 insane):(1 sane).

But then, you already knew that ...

Actually, no. I disagree with you. The Mighty Macho Morsemen
have been brainwashed by just about the only publications
group in the USA specializing in amateur radio. [they had
reported (IRS) income of $12.5 million three years ago]

These 3Ms sill think that morsemanship is the end-all, be-all
of "radio operating." Period, full stop. They are stuck in a
time warp to the standards and practices of seven decades
ago, never to advance. shrug

Dummies NO. Just brainwashed.

LA

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wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:01:57 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote:


"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:
...
Okay, John, be prepared to be in Dee's "killfile." She
doesn't care for those who are Un-politically correct.
:-)


I'd be crushed ... but, then again, I have gotten over worse.


I've never killfiled anyone over being politically incorrect. I happen to
enjoy a spirited debate so long as it does not descend to name calling and
snide remarks. I don't do it myself and won't tolerate those who do for
very long. That is precisely why I have kill filed Morgan and Anderson.
Neither one is able to continue a discussion without stooping to such
tactics. Once name calling and snide remarks enter the discussion it is
both boring and pointless to continue. I make every effort to avoid being
sucked into such an exchange.

but you fail and enage in name calling such lessor classes and
inferior classes

you just a hypocrite

There's some truth to that. Dee has publicly announced that she
"killfiled" me. :-)

Once, before the announcement of FCC 06-178, anyone against
morse code testing was publicly labeled "politically incorrect"
and called names, indeed personally insulted, by several
amateur extras in here. I'd be hard put to label Dee as a
full hypocrite, only a partial one. She has encouraged the use
of morse code on amateur radio and gone into "suggestions"
on how to be a good morseperson. shrug

I've not had a reason to kill file you yet and hopefully never will have a
reason. That we disagree in our points of view makes for stimulating
discussions. It would be rather boring if everyone agreed all the time
don't you think?

This "pool" is basically some nattering among the
morse mavens and/or a means of making nice-nice with
chatty messaging on a subject nobody can accurately
predict. I think it's supposed to be like the hostess
at a party being very busy with nagging everyone to
have a good time. :-)


Well, yeah, I can see the similarity you point out ...


As previously stated, I want everyone to pay attention. A pool does that. I
do not pretend that anyone can really predict it either. I have clearly
labelled them as guesses. It would be wonderful if the optomists are right.

This "pool" *IS* a means to belittle non-coders. Look
at the past in he Dee is an avowed OOK CW morse-
person. She isn't about to suddenly embrace a landmark
change in elimination of the code test with enthusiasm.


Yes. Pretty obvious, huh? Makes you wonder why some find it so hard to
get that little point--suppose we are just gifted? Maybe we escaped the
"dumbing down" of ham radio. I knew that incessant habit of banging that
key for hours on end would do some type of damage--now in looking back,
who would have supposed it would have done that much brain damage? Ya'
think the surgeon general should make 'em put a warning on side of the box
the key comes in?


It's amazing to me that people refer to me as a morseperson. Not even half
my contacts happen to be morse. In addition, I hate the "politically
correct" suffix of "-person" in any application. As my father used to say,
it is putting the em-PHA-sis on the wrong syl-LA-ble. The suffix "-man"
simply carries the older meaning of human being. Personally I think we
should go back to the term "werman" which was the term for the males just
like "woman" was the term for the females. Somehow the prefix on "werman"
was dropped.

Looking back at my own life, I've never cared whether I was "politically
correct" or not. I have always had my own goals and worked toward them. I
did not let me direct me towards what they thought I should do or like.


[snip]
She will be...and that's no guess or logic. Dee knows
what is best for amateur radio. Anything new or
revolutionary gets placed in her killfile where she
won't see it...after her trying to spank the "kiddies"
who dare speak against her. :-(

LA


You might be right, perhaps she has smoked the opium pipe much too often
with 'em :(

Warmest regards,
JS

Well now you see Len's tactics of insulting and denigrating anyone who
disagrees with him rather than debating the subject. I've never said that I
know what is best for amateur radio. However like everyone here (including
Anderson), I'm entitled to express my opinion and have a right to ignore
those who are incapable of debating without stooping to insults, name
calling, denigration, etc.

Okay, so "Len" is charged with some kind of heinous "crime" in
not adhering rigidly to the Good Book as sanctified by the ARRL.
[am I to say 20 Hail Hirams, go and sin no more? :-)]

On this first day of 2007 in the USA, all anyone need do is to
read the posts by morse mavens in this newsgrope who are very
very busy with "stooping to insults, name calling, denigration."
Lots of them, no need to repost what was posted today.

I've had many pleasant exchanges with Kim (W5TIT) even though we disagree on
almost everything. Alun (N3KIP) and I also disagree on many issues yet our
debates are very enjoyable.

REAL debate is "enjoyable" only if there is "agreement" on a
point of view of one side or the other. Too bad for 3Ms, FCC
06-178 has already been announced and that will be that.

NOW we will see who is the most-holy, self-righteous person
inhabiting this Din of Inequity!

All I gotta say is that retribution is mighty sweet! :-)

LA

Change in ARS numbers Pool - Guesses added 12/30/06 - edited.
 

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On 1 Jan 2007 14:01:34 -0800, "
wrote:
wrote:
On Sun, 31 Dec 2006 23:01:57 -0500, "Dee Flint"
wrote:

"John Smith I" wrote in message
...
wrote:

REAL debate is "enjoyable" only if there is "agreement" on a
point of view of one side or the other. Too bad for 3Ms, FCC
06-178 has already been announced and that will be that.

NOW we will see who is the most-holy, self-righteous person
inhabiting this Din of Inequity!

All I gotta say is that retribution is mighty sweet! :-)

it has a sacrin (how does one spell that comon artifical sweetner)
taste to me although I am pleased and other than the fact I can't get
that song I first in the movies "independace day' (It's the end of the
world as we know it, and I feel fine) out of my head as read the
pressings of the grapes.

Not to worry on the spelling of the word "saccharin." We will
all be blessed with sacrament of spelling laid upon us by
N2EY or K8MN along with many NON-saccharine comments!
:-)

Indeed, the noise of the grape press busy at work is making
it difficult for me to watch the Rose Bowl game! :-)

LA