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Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 16, 11:54�pm, wrote:
On Feb 16, 5:49 pm, wrote: On Feb 16, 3:55?pm, " wrote: * *fraudulently claimed a Hawaiian Post Office Box address as being his "residence," one that would allow him to obtain a Hawaiian amateur radio station call sign. ? Len: I suggest you read Part 97 again. I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting a PO Box then using it for other people. Why? What matters is what the regulations were back then, not what they are now. The regulations do not require that someone give the FCC their "residence". All the FCC requires is a valid mailing address. Just any valid mailing address? That question has already been answered. See (1) below In the case of certain callsigns, the mailing address must be in certain locations, such as Hawaii, but there is no residence requirement. Just any valid mailing address? That question has already been answered. See (1) below FCC used to care about where a licensee lived, and the actual station location. But all that changed many years ago, and all they have required for may years is a valid mailing address where the licensee may receive mail from FCC. (1) a valid mailing address where the licensee may receive mail from FCC. What do the Postal Regulations say about it? I don't know what they said about it in 2000. That's what matters. There are a number of retired "RV" people nowadays who don't really have a "residence" in the classic sense. They live in their RVs, travelling the country as they see fit, and living wherever their travel leads them. At least some of them are radio amateurs. Of course they have a "mailing address", which is often just a post office box. Someone checks their mail regularly, and deals with important items as needed. FCC and the post office have no problem with this, and no fraud is involved. In some rural areas, people maintain post office boxes "in town" and pick up their mail there when they get to town. FCC and the post office have no problem with this, and no fraud is involved. How are these cases any different from the use of a Hawaiian post office box? After all, the FCC did accept and process the vanity call applications, and did issue the callsigns. Perhaps it was simply a misunderstanding of the intent of the rules, rather than the letter of the law. The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, That's true. and there was no misunderstanding. How do you know? Obviously the vanity callsign applications met the letter of the law - otherwise FCC would not have processed them nor issued the callsigns. Whether the met the *intent* of the law is another issue, and intent is a matter of interpretation. *It was poor amateur practice. Why? Were the callsigns that were cancelled ones that other amateurs wanted, but could not get? Have any of the cancelled callsigns been reissued through the vanity callsign program? FCC has issued some vanity callsigns that some consider inappropriate for the amateur radio service. Those callsigns would not normally be issued in sequence, so the FCC is aware of the controversy, yet they issued those callsigns when requested through the vanity program. We're not talking about Kim, we're talking about Michael P. Deignan of the RF Commandos. The subject is the letter of the law regarding vanity callsigns versus the intent of that law. There's also the question of good vs. poor amateur practice. Kim is not the only amateur, nor the first, to have a callsign that some consider inappropriate. Indeed, she was not the first to have a callsign with a certain particular suffix. MD is not the only amateur to be trustee of multiple club callsigns. There was lengthy discussion here about the appropriateness of certain Amateur Radio vanity callsigns. The defense was that if the FCC issued the callsigns, they were appropriate. Although I was initially unconvinced, I changed my mind. Is that not correct? Besides - all that stuff about the club calls is more than six years old. Why are you living in the past? In ham years that was barely yesterday. If it is OK to discuss those old callsign events, then it's also OK to discuss other old events, such as boasts of getting an Extra out of the box, or of opposing real estate zoning changes. Etc. Is it because the person who held all those calls was and is an advocate of complete Morse Code test elimination? It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their ham-lives, Where? The person involved hadn't posted here for *years*. His posts are rather few in number, and quite short and to-the-point. Other individuals who post here, including one who isn't even a radio amateur, incessantly tell others how to live their ham-lives. Is that wrong? then defrauds his friend and the FCC. How was anyone defrauded? Was there some sort of penalty, such as a forfeiture of money or an operator license suspension/revocation? What brought the whole issue to FCC's attention, anyway? Did someone want one of those callsigns? Jim, N2EY |
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What matters is what the regulations were back then, not what they are now. Exactly. I've had a PO Box for years. Having a rural mainland address, there are times when my mail will collect for weeks at a time when I'm not home (having that ocean-going trawler based in WA takes a lot of my time...) I also don't like having clients mail me checks to my mainland home, so I use a PO Box. From time to time, folks I work on projects with also receive mail at my PO box. Case in point: About a year ago I was working on a project with "Mark". We needed a piece of software to complete the job, so "Mark" ordered the software for us on my company credit card. Rather than it coming addressed to "My Company, My PO Box" (the correct ship-to address which is also my CC billing address) it was shipped to "Mark, My PO Box". The USPS delivered it just fine. Now, from time to time, "Mark" gets mail at my PO Box. Apparently the company sold his name on a mailing list. Still haven't heard a peep from the Postmaster. I suspect "Mark" could also receive non-junk-mail at my PO box just fine. I suspect the Postmaster doesn't care. After all, if anything "bad" was ever associated with my PO Box, the Postmaster knows where to find me. How are these cases any different from the use of a Hawaiian post office box? Brian doesn't have one? MD is not the only amateur to be trustee of multiple club callsigns. Only 1 club callsign at the moment, which is used exclusively on our beacons used for DF foxhunts. What brought the whole issue to FCC's attention, anyway? Riley's first letter to me references coorespondence from Jeff. Since there is no official coorespondence in the record to suggest otherwise, it is my personal opinion that Jeff did. 73 kh6hz |
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On Feb 17, 7:24�am, wrote:
On Feb 17, 6:52 am, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting a PO Box then using it for other people. Perfectly 100% legal within postal regulations. Sure it is. What do the Postal Regulations say about it? Since you're the "expert" Brain, why don't you tell us? Free clue: Be sure to refer to the pre-9/11 / Patriot Act postal regulations. My PO Boxes were all pre-9/11 Patriot Act. *Thanks for the distractor. Darn! I don't have a Post Office Box! I guess I can't be an amateur... :-( The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, and there was no misunderstanding. *It was poor amateur practice. Says you. But then, you don't count. Someone counted. *Someone counted up your call signs and mailed you a letter. Tsk, even the www.ah0a.org site COUNTED. Poor Mikey D. was way down on the list...but still there. It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their ham-lives, then defrauds his friend and the FCC. Neither the FCC nor my friend were defrauded, despite your repeated foot-stomping and tantrums to the contrary. I don't think he's your friend anymore, or at least he's not defending you. *But now you have Jim. The FCC? *Riley takes care of that business like he took care of you. Riley Hollingsworth, Special Counsel to the FCC, has about 700,000 (give or take) licensees to "count" and "take care of." I doubt he would even blink twice at Mikey D's dozen. But he DID notice once and that got on the "notices." Now if all this was so "legal" as Mikey D sez, why would it get into the "notices?" If it was so "legal" then it should never have been there. No sweat, the Guru and Reknowned Historian is all for code-tested amateur extras...they can do no real wrong in his eyes. All "very legal." barf |
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You must have seen the awesome "Who's Morky?" remark. Jim stood toe to toe with the Robesinner and didn't blink (Tom Petty playing "Won't Back Down" in the background). Thanks for the memory jog. I always liked that song. Guess I'll have to fire up Limewire and see if I can d-load it. Yup, Markie, before you jump, I am willfully violating copyright laws by downloading old songs such as this. Old? It doesn't seem old to me. How many ham-years ago did Tom release it? Like you, who conveniently blames everybody else, I'll blame HH&C for putting me in mind of this great old song. He made me do it. Flip Wilson, "The Devil Made Me Do It!" Thanks, HH&C. Have you any more songs to suggest?- Anything by David Hasselhoff. OK. Hasselhoff it is. Hop In My Car will be first up. Maybe later I can get some Boy George for Mark. |
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On Feb 17, 2:10 pm, "
wrote: On Feb 17, 7:24?am, wrote: On Feb 17, 6:52 am, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting a PO Box then using it for other people. Perfectly 100% legal within postal regulations. Sure it is. What do the Postal Regulations say about it? Since you're the "expert" Brain, why don't you tell us? Free clue: Be sure to refer to the pre-9/11 / Patriot Act postal regulations. My PO Boxes were all pre-9/11 Patriot Act. ?Thanks for the distractor. Darn! I don't have a Post Office Box! I guess I can't be an amateur... :-( You're welcome to act amateurishly like most in RRAP. The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, and there was no misunderstanding. ?It was poor amateur practice. Says you. But then, you don't count. Someone counted. ?Someone counted up your call signs and mailed you a letter. Tsk, even thewww.ah0a.orgsite COUNTED. Poor Mikey D. was way down on the list...but still there. He's an underachiever. It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their ham-lives, then defrauds his friend and the FCC. Neither the FCC nor my friend were defrauded, despite your repeated foot-stomping and tantrums to the contrary. I don't think he's your friend anymore, or at least he's not defending you. ?But now you have Jim. The FCC? ?Riley takes care of that business like he took care of you. Riley Hollingsworth, Special Counsel to the FCC, has about 700,000 (give or take) licensees to "count" and "take care of." I doubt he would even blink twice at Mikey D's dozen. But he DID notice once and that got on the "notices." Now if all this was so "legal" as Mikey D sez, why would it get into the "notices?" If it was so "legal" then it should never have been there. If it was legal, why did Mike let all those callsigns go without so much as a whimper? No sweat, the Guru and Reknowned Historian is all for code-tested amateur extras...they can do no real wrong in his eyes. All "very legal." barf- RHIP, but only for Extras. |
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On Feb 17, 1:09 pm, wrote:
On Feb 16, 11:54?pm, wrote: On Feb 16, 5:49 pm, wrote: On Feb 16, 3:55?pm, " wrote: ? ?fraudulently claimed a Hawaiian Post Office Box address as being his "residence," one that would allow him to obtain a Hawaiian amateur radio station call sign. ? Len: I suggest you read Part 97 again. I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting a PO Box then using it for other people. Why? What matters is what the regulations were back then, not what they are now. Back in 1990/91, the PO Boxes on Guam were for the person listed on the card for that box, not for friends, neighbors, and people who wish to defraud the US Governemnt. When you sign for the box, you sign an AGREEMENT. Hopefully, you read the agreement. Apparently Hermann did not. Hermann got a KH2 call because he was "interested" in a job on Guam. He had never been there. The regulations do not require that someone give the FCC their "residence". All the FCC requires is a valid mailing address. Just any valid mailing address? That question has already been answered. See (1) below The mailing address where the FCC can reach you. In this case, the FCC could reach Jeffrey Hermann at the listed address, not Michael Deignan. In the case of certain callsigns, the mailing address must be in certain locations, such as Hawaii, but there is no residence requirement. Just any valid mailing address? That question has already been answered. See (1) below FCC used to care about where a licensee lived, and the actual station location. But all that changed many years ago, and all they have required for may years is a valid mailing address where the licensee may receive mail from FCC. (1) a valid mailing address where the licensee may receive mail from FCC. That is correct. Now see above. What do the Postal Regulations say about it? I don't know what they said about it in 2000. That's what matters. So you don't know. Shouldn't that be the end of the discussion for you? There are a number of retired "RV" people nowadays who don't really have a "residence" in the classic sense. They live in their RVs, travelling the country as they see fit, and living wherever their travel leads them. At least some of them are radio amateurs. Just because something may be common doesn't make it legal. Of course they have a "mailing address", which is often just a post office box. Someone checks their mail regularly, and deals with important items as needed. FCC and the post office have no problem with this, and no fraud is involved. Says you. Did you check? In some rural areas, people maintain post office boxes "in town" and pick up their mail there when they get to town. FCC and the post office have no problem with this, and no fraud is involved. Newsflash... That has nothing to do with Deignan's intent to defraud the FCC. How are these cases any different from the use of a Hawaiian post office box? The intent was fraud, a KH6 callsign. After all, the FCC did accept and process the vanity call applications, and did issue the callsigns. Perhaps it was simply a misunderstanding of the intent of the rules, rather than the letter of the law. The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, That's true. and there was no misunderstanding. How do you know? Obviously the vanity callsign applications met the letter of the law - otherwise FCC would not have processed them nor issued the callsigns. Has the government never received a bad check? A fraudulent tax return? Do they process them? Whether the met the *intent* of the law is another issue, and intent is a matter of interpretation. Poor amateur practice. ?It was poor amateur practice. Why? Were the callsigns that were cancelled ones that other amateurs wanted, but could not get? Have any of the cancelled callsigns been reissued through the vanity callsign program? It's like having to use the least amount of power to accomplish the communication. One amateur callsign can't be used to accomplish the desired communication? Well, Riley saw a problem with it. FCC has issued some vanity callsigns that some consider inappropriate for the amateur radio service. Those callsigns would not normally be issued in sequence, so the FCC is aware of the controversy, yet they issued those callsigns when requested through the vanity program. We're not talking about Kim, we're talking about Michael P. Deignan of the RF Commandos. The subject is the letter of the law regarding vanity callsigns versus the intent of that law. There's also the question of good vs. poor amateur practice. Kim is not the only amateur, nor the first, to have a callsign that some consider inappropriate. Indeed, she was not the first to have a callsign with a certain particular suffix. MD is not the only amateur to be trustee of multiple club callsigns. There was lengthy discussion here about the appropriateness of certain Amateur Radio vanity callsigns. The defense was that if the FCC issued the callsigns, they were appropriate. Although I was initially unconvinced, I changed my mind. Is that not correct? Diversion. Besides - all that stuff about the club calls is more than six years old. Why are you living in the past? In ham years that was barely yesterday. If it is OK to discuss those old callsign events, then it's also OK to discuss other old events, such as boasts of getting an Extra out of the box, or of opposing real estate zoning changes. Etc. You would anyway, and have. Is it because the person who held all those calls was and is an advocate of complete Morse Code test elimination? It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their ham-lives, Where? The person involved hadn't posted here for *years*. He's back, and I'm here to remind him of his transgressions. His posts are rather few in number, and quite short and to-the-point. So? I don't like his bahavio[u]r. Other individuals who post here, including one who isn't even a radio amateur, incessantly tell others how to live their ham-lives. Is that wrong? He doesn't tell me that I should get off the computer and study Morse Code. then defrauds his friend and the FCC. How was anyone defrauded? My tax dollars went in to the enforcement actions against Michael P. Deignan and all the people like him. Don't you think an Extra should know better than try a stun t like that? Was there some sort of penalty, such as a forfeiture of money or an operator license suspension/revocation? Mike will tell you to look that up on the web. What brought the whole issue to FCC's attention, anyway? Did someone want one of those callsigns? Jim, N2EY My friend Jim, KH2D posted a nice essay on his KH2 website about the greedy jerks that glom up all of the DX callsigns for no practical purpose. |
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On Feb 17, 2:10 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: What matters is what the regulations were back then, not what they are now. Exactly. No, not even close. We're not talking about now. Deignan signed an agreement with the USPS back then. Jeffrey Hermann signed an agreement with the USPS back then. I've had a PO Box for years. Then you know better. Having a rural mainland address, there are times when my mail will collect for weeks at a time when I'm not home (having that ocean-going trawler based in WA takes a lot of my time...) I also don't like having clients mail me checks to my mainland home, so I use a PO Box. That's certainly a legitimate use for a PO Box, but it is not Hermann's PO Box, and that is the box in question. BTW, there was a 12th callsign at your street address issued to a YL. Don't you trust her to keep your mail from stacking up or blowing away? From time to time, folks I work on projects with also receive mail at my PO box. Case in point: About a year ago I was working on a project with "Mark". We needed a piece of software to complete the job, so "Mark" ordered the software for us on my company credit card. Rather than it coming addressed to "My Company, My PO Box" (the correct ship-to address which is also my CC billing address) it was shipped to "Mark, My PO Box". Again, "Mark" and your PO Box are not the subject of this discussion. Hermann's box in Hawaii is. The USPS delivered it just fine. Now, from time to time, "Mark" gets mail at my PO Box. Apparently the company sold his name on a mailing list. Still haven't heard a peep from the Postmaster. I suspect "Mark" could also receive non-junk-mail at my PO box just fine. I suspect the Postmaster doesn't care. After all, if anything "bad" was ever associated with my PO Box, the Postmaster knows where to find me. So basically, until charges are filed, no crime has occurred. Nice diversion, nice defense. How are these cases any different from the use of a Hawaiian post office box? Brian doesn't have one? Not presently. MD is not the only amateur to be trustee of multiple club callsigns. Only 1 club callsign at the moment, which is used exclusively on our beacons used for DF foxhunts. Almost interesting. Most any other DF club seems to be able to get by with the callsign of the beacon owner with a "stroke B" to indicate that its a beacon. What brought the whole issue to FCC's attention, anyway? Riley's first letter to me references coorespondence from Jeff. Since there is no official coorespondence in the record to suggest otherwise, it is my personal opinion that Jeff did. 73 kh6hz Sounds like "Hot Water" and "Cold Feet." Greed cost Mike a friend. |
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In this case, the FCC could reach Jeffrey Hermann at the listed address, not Michael Deignan. Odd, I received all the licenses mailed to me at the Hawaii address. Thus, clearly, the FCC reached me at that address just fine. Please play again soon! |
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On Feb 17, 8:27 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: In this case, the FCC could reach Jeffrey Hermann at the listed address, not Michael Deignan. Odd, I received all the licenses mailed to me at the Hawaii address. Thus, clearly, the FCC reached me at that address just fine. Please play again soon! You could have looked them up on-line. No need to make claims of receiving them at Hermann's PO Box. |
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On Feb 17, 4:29�pm, wrote:
On Feb 17, 2:10 pm, " wrote: On Feb 17, 7:24?am, wrote: On Feb 17, 6:52 am, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting a PO Box then using it for other people. Perfectly 100% legal within postal regulations. Sure it is. What do the Postal Regulations say about it? Since you're the "expert" Brain, why don't you tell us? Free clue: Be sure to refer to the pre-9/11 / Patriot Act postal regulations. My PO Boxes were all pre-9/11 Patriot Act. ?Thanks for the distractor. * *Darn! *I don't have a Post Office Box! *I guess I can't be * *an amateur... *:-( You're welcome to act amateurishly like most in RRAP. I try to fit in with the group. :-) The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, and there was no misunderstanding. ?It was poor amateur practice. Says you. But then, you don't count. Someone counted. ?Someone counted up your call signs and mailed you a letter. * *Tsk, even thewww.ah0a.orgsiteCOUNTED. *Poor Mikey D. * *was way down on the list...but still there. He's an underachiever. He'll get over it. It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their ham-lives, then defrauds his friend and the FCC. Neither the FCC nor my friend were defrauded, despite your repeated foot-stomping and tantrums to the contrary. I don't think he's your friend anymore, or at least he's not defending you. ?But now you have Jim. The FCC? ?Riley takes care of that business like he took care of you. * *Riley Hollingsworth, Special Counsel to the FCC, has about * *700,000 (give or take) licensees to "count" and "take care * *of." *I doubt he would even blink twice at Mikey D's dozen. * *But he DID notice once and that got on the "notices." * *Now if all this was so "legal" as Mikey D sez, why would it * *get into the "notices?" *If it was so "legal" then it should * *never have been there. If it was legal, why did Mike let all those callsigns go without so much as a whimper? Maybe he whimpered to hisself? * *No sweat, the Guru and Reknowned Historian is all for * *code-tested amateur extras...they can do no real wrong * *in his eyes. *All "very legal." *barf- RHIP, but only for Extras. CODE-TESTED extras, Brian, CODE-TESTED. :-) Try to imagine what he is going to bitch about AFTER 23 Feb 07! Heh heh heh...ripe field for mucho knuckle- spanking by the Ruler! :-) Damn...now I HAVE to stay in here to see what the uberextras will come up with! :-) LA |
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You could have looked them up on-line. No need to make claims of receiving them at Hermann's PO Box. lol. more fabricated Brain nonsense. |
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On Feb 17, 5:56�pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: You could have looked them up on-line. *No need to make claims of receiving them at Hermann's PO Box. lol. more fabricated Brain nonsense. Hah. More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. PROVE to the court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in Hawaii." LA |
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Hah. More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. PROVE to the court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in Hawaii." The only thing you have in common with a judge, Lennie, is you drool and fall asleep in your chair. It is funny (and yet, pathetic at the same time) to see how Brian's mental gyrations continuously concoct new conspiracy theories on how I got my callsign(s). Pretty soon, he'll have me hacking into ULS or perhaps bribing government officials.to assign myself only the best, choice callsigns available. Maybe the PostMaster in Hawaii was in on it too! GASP! Horrors! |
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Then you know Yes, I do. A PO Box can be for an individual, a business, or a household. In the case of the latter do, multiple individuals may receive mail there. BTW, there was a 12th callsign at your street address issued to a YL. There never has been "12" callsigns. Try counting again. Don't you trust her to keep your mail from stacking up or blowing away? Nope. Living on a rural route, my mailbox gets destroyed at least twice a winter by snowplows. Again, "Mark" and your PO Box are not the subject of this discussion. Hermann's box in Hawaii is. Irrelevant. You claim it is "illegal" and "fraudulent" to have multiple people use the same PO box. There was no such regulation codified in the regulations in the late 90's. Nor is there any such regulation, for that matter, codified today. So basically, until charges are filed, no crime has occurred. If a "crime" was being committed, without a doubt the PostMaster would be the first to notice it, and, without a doubt, bring it to my attention (or, alert the appropriate authorities), since I see him at least twice a month. Almost interesting. Most any other DF club seems to be able to get by with the callsign of the beacon owner with a "stroke B" to indicate that its a beacon. I prefer to have a separate, dedicated callsign, for beacon transmissions. Sounds like "Hot Water" and "Cold Feet." Greed cost Mike a friend. You're privvy to our friendship too? Wow. You're really psychic. Can I have tonite's lotto #'s too while you're at it? |
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spewed forth the following excrement:
you were a household with Jeff? Although I'm sure you're sitting there fondling yourself at the thought, Morkie... The reality is that any group of people, related or not, can consist of a "household". For example, when I was in college, several of us shared an apartment. A "household". |
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and yet you did not live with him Did I or Didn't I? Well, I guess that's really nobody's business but my own now, is it, much the same way the exact sex of your "wife" is your business, right? |
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On Feb 17, 9:07 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: Hah. More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. PROVE to the court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in Hawaii." The only thing you have in common with a judge, Lennie, is you drool and fall asleep in your chair. It is funny (and yet, pathetic at the same time) to see how Brian's mental gyrations continuously concoct new conspiracy theories on how I got my callsign(s). Pretty soon, he'll have me hacking into ULS or perhaps bribing government officials.to assign myself only the best, choice callsigns available. Maybe the PostMaster in Hawaii was in on it too! GASP! Horrors! This guy is unrepetent. He'll get the maximum penalty. |
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On Feb 17, 6:52�pm, wrote:
On Feb 17, 9:07 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: *Hah. *More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. *PROVE to the *court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in * Hawaii." The only thing you have in common with a judge, Lennie, is you drool and fall asleep in your chair. It is funny (and yet, pathetic at the same time) to see how Brian's mental gyrations continuously concoct new conspiracy theories on how I got my callsign(s). Pretty soon, he'll have me hacking into ULS or perhaps bribing government officials.to assign myself only the best, choice callsigns available. Maybe the PostMaster in Hawaii was in on it too! GASP! Horrors! This guy is unrepetent. *He'll get the maximum penalty. Tsk. Another excellent representative of US amateur extras (code-tested variety) showing the world how "good" they are. No wonder the amateur licensee numbers have been dropping. Unrepentant (or unrepentent) seems an apt descriptor. They feel they can do anything, say anything because they are code-tested extras. However, in Mikey D's case, he doesn't have either the smarts or guts to hack into any government websites. What he did was a simple confidence-game routine, little more than petty fraud, taking advantage of too many amateurs for the FCC to effectively monitor them on application. That, and snowing his co-conspirator in Hawaii, putting him at risk of his license. Brian, he's just a little OJ-wannabe, but without the knife or glove. Lovely representative of professional football (OJ) or amateur radio (MD). Let him have his "glory" of putting something over on the government. His stain on the hobby will never be removed. LA |
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wrote in message oups.com... On Feb 17, 5:56?pm, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: You could have looked them up on-line. No need to make claims of receiving them at Hermann's PO Box. lol. more fabricated Brain nonsense. Hah. More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. PROVE to the court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in Hawaii." LA Which "court"? Yours? Not gonna happen, you dissicated old troll. |
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wrote in message ... On Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:11:53 -0500, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: Then you know Yes, I do. A PO Box can be for an individual, a business, or a household. In the case of the latter do, multiple individuals may receive mail there. you were a household with Jeff? hmm and does the ban aply to the USCG Why don't you go to QRZ and ask, Mark? Oh, wait. You can't.... |
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On Feb 17, 9:11 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: Then you know Yes, I do. A PO Box can be for an individual, a business, or a household. In the case of the latter do, multiple individuals may receive mail there. Then you're either Jeffrey Hermann, Jeffrey Hermann's relation, or Jeffrey Hermann's employee. How do you plead? BTW, there was a 12th callsign at your street address issued to a YL. There never has been "12" callsigns. Try counting again. Don't you trust her to keep your mail from stacking up or blowing away? Nope. Living on a rural route, my mailbox gets destroyed at least twice a winter by snowplows. Again, "Mark" and your PO Box are not the subject of this discussion. Hermann's box in Hawaii is. Irrelevant. Not irrelevant. The subject is Hermann's PO Box in Hawaii. You claim it is "illegal" and "fraudulent" to have multiple people use the same PO box. There was no such regulation codified in the regulations in the late 90's. Nor is there any such regulation, for that matter, codified today. So basically, until charges are filed, no crime has occurred. If a "crime" was being committed, without a doubt the PostMaster would be the first to notice it, and, without a doubt, bring it to my attention (or, alert the appropriate authorities), since I see him at least twice a month. Almost interesting. Most any other DF club seems to be able to get by with the callsign of the beacon owner with a "stroke B" to indicate that its a beacon. I prefer to have a separate, dedicated callsign, for beacon transmissions. Did you have 12 beacons? Sounds like "Hot Water" and "Cold Feet." Greed cost Mike a friend. You're privvy to our friendship too? Wow. You're really psychic. Can I have tonite's lotto #'s too while you're at it? |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 17, 9:21 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
spewed forth the following excrement: you were a household with Jeff? Although I'm sure you're sitting there fondling yourself at the thought, Morkie... The reality is that any group of people, related or not, can consist of a "household". For example, when I was in college, several of us shared an apartment. A "household". Which one of you claimed "head of household" on your taxes? |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 17, 9:28 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
wrote: and yet you did not live with him Did I or Didn't I? Did you? Well, I guess that's really nobody's business but my own now, is it, much the same way the exact sex of your "wife" is your business, right? Why did a guy that you were living with write a letter to the FCC instead of just telling you to get you to get out of his house and out of his PO Box??? |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 17, 9:01 pm, "
wrote: On Feb 17, 5:56?pm, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: You could have looked them up on-line. ?No need to make claims of receiving them at Hermann's PO Box. lol. more fabricated Brain nonsense. Hah. More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. PROVE to the court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in Hawaii." LA He'd have to lie some more, and he's beginning to think he's reached the end of his rope. Hoping Riley doesn't read this stuff. Jeff should never have loaned out his PO Box, and is probably all puckered up right now. |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 18, 12:37 am, "
wrote: On Feb 17, 6:52?pm, wrote: On Feb 17, 9:07 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: ?Hah. ?More fabricated Mikey D nonsense. ?PROVE to the ?court your HEARSAY "evidence" of "receiving them in ? Hawaii." The only thing you have in common with a judge, Lennie, is you drool and fall asleep in your chair. It is funny (and yet, pathetic at the same time) to see how Brian's mental gyrations continuously concoct new conspiracy theories on how I got my callsign(s). Pretty soon, he'll have me hacking into ULS or perhaps bribing government officials.to assign myself only the best, choice callsigns available. Maybe the PostMaster in Hawaii was in on it too! GASP! Horrors! This guy is unrepetent. ?He'll get the maximum penalty. Tsk. Another excellent representative of US amateur extras (code-tested variety) showing the world how "good" they are. No wonder the amateur licensee numbers have been dropping. Unrepentant (or unrepentent) seems an apt descriptor. They feel they can do anything, say anything because they are code-tested extras. I'm rarely surprised when an amateur behaving badly turns out to be a 20WPM Tested Extra. However, in Mikey D's case, he doesn't have either the smarts or guts to hack into any government websites. What he did was a simple confidence-game routine, little more than petty fraud, taking advantage of too many amateurs for the FCC to effectively monitor them on application. That, and snowing his co-conspirator in Hawaii, putting him at risk of his license. No mas. Mike is the Alpha Male of that "household." Jeff's callsign can be sacrificed. Brian, he's just a little OJ-wannabe, but without the knife or glove. Lovely representative of professional football (OJ) or amateur radio (MD). Let him have his "glory" of putting something over on the government. His stain on the hobby will never be removed. LA Goes with the "RF Commando" mentality. Maybe he even practices spin- kicks like Lone Wolf McQualude? Why does this guy remind me so much of Robesin? |
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Residence vs. Mailing Address
wrote:
Then you're either Jeffrey Hermann, Jeffrey Hermann's relation, or Jeffrey Hermann's employee. There is no regulation which states I have to be an employee or relation -- even today. Might want to brush up on the postal regulations. |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
"Dave Heil" wrote:
You may now chew on these statements and attempt to reconcile them. Damn Dave! You're gonna confuzzle all the riders on the Short Bus with all these facts! 73 kh6hz |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 17, 2:10�pm, "
wrote: On Feb 17, 7:24?am, wrote: On Feb 17, 6:52 am, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: I suggest you go to your local Post Office and ask them about renting a PO Box then using it for other people. Perfectly 100% legal within postal regulations. Sure it is. What do the Postal Regulations say about it? Since you're the "expert" Brain, why don't you tell us? Free clue: Be sure to refer to the pre-9/11 / Patriot Act postal regulations. My PO Boxes were all pre-9/11 Patriot Act. ?Thanks for the distractor. * *Darn! *I don't have a Post Office Box! *I guess I can't be * *an amateur... *:-( Sure you can, Len. There's no FCC requirement for a PO Box nor residence address. Just a valid mailing address. You could use your Lanark Street address or the address of your "northern house" if you can receive mail from FCC there. No problem at all. But I don't think you will ever be a radio amateur. Just a hunch. The government can be defrauded as well as anyone, and there was no misunderstanding. ?It was poor amateur practice. Says you. But then, you don't count. Someone counted. ?Someone counted up your call signs and mailed you a letter. * *Tsk, even thewww.ah0a.orgsite COUNTED. *Poor Mikey D. * *was way down on the list...but still there. FCC rules do not limit the number of clubs that someone may be a trustee for. It's because the individual incessantly tells others how to live their ham-lives, then defrauds his friend and the FCC. Neither the FCC nor my friend were defrauded, despite your repeated foot-stomping and tantrums to the contrary. I don't think he's your friend anymore, or at least he's not defending you. ?But now you have Jim. The FCC? ?Riley takes care of that business like he took care of you. * *Riley Hollingsworth, Special Counsel to the FCC, has about * *700,000 (give or take) licensees to "count" and "take care * *of." *I doubt he would even blink twice at Mikey D's dozen. Was it really a dozen? * *But he DID notice once and that got on the "notices." "Enforcement letters". Now if all this was so "legal" as Mikey D sez, why would it * *get into the "notices?" "Enforcement letters". It appears FCC wanted more information about the clubs. *If it was so "legal" then it should * *never have been there. Only if you assume guilt without proof. In the USA, there's a basic principle of "innocent until proven guilty". * *No sweat, the Guru and Reknowned Historian is all for * *code-tested amateur extras...they can do no real wrong * *in his eyes. Who is this "Guru and Renowned Historian"? I do not know the person. Also, there are no non-code-tested Amateur Extras at all. Not yet, anyway. That situation will soon change - just watch the thread "ARS License Numbers" for updates. Perhaps I will update the numbers there more frequently than twice-per- calendar-month. Perhaps not. As for me, it appears that there was a misunderstanding about the intent of the Part 97 rules concerning vanity calls for clubs - particularly in what a group must do to meet FCC's defintion of a "club" and qualify for a club callsign. *All "very legal." *barf Who was harmed by the assignment of those vanity callsigns? It is clear that some callsigns, such as four-character ones, are considered more desirable by many amateurs. Were any of the disputed callsigns part of a desirable group? Were other amateurs wanting the callsigns, but unable to get them because of the "clubs" having them? Have any of those callsigns been reassigned under the vanity program? It is interesting that you identify the trustee of those callsigns as a "code tested extra", but not as a no-code-test advocate. Jim, N2EY |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
wrote:
Who was harmed by the assignment of those vanity callsigns? For the record, none of the club callsigns I have ever trusteed for have been "vanity" callsigns. 73 kh6hz |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
spewed forth the following excrement:
no I pointed out what else you could be his lover I'm sure your nipples get hard at that thought, huh, Morkie? |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
wrote in message ups.com... [snip] I'm rarely surprised when an amateur behaving badly turns out to be a 20WPM Tested Extra. This is the same type of stereotyping as saying that no-code Techs are CB hams. This stereotyping has no validity. Just as an FYI, one of the worst jammers on the west coast was a Technician. These behaviours have nothing to do with one's license class and everything to do with the individual's already existing personality. Dee, N8UZE |
License Numbers - to N2EY
wrote in message ups.com... [snip] QUOTE Also, there are no non-code-tested Amateur Extras at all. Not yet, anyway. That situation will soon change - just watch the thread "ARS License Numbers" for updates. Perhaps I will update the numbers there more frequently than twice-per- calendar-month. Perhaps not. UNQUOTE I, particularly, would find it very interesting to see these numbers more frequently for about the first two months or so. The first possible test sessions under the new rules will be February 23rd. That first rush of upgrades will probably show up in the FCC database within a week and the balance of those in less than two weeks. I would expect the big rush of upgrades to pretty much be done in two to three months. I wonder how many will stop at General and how many will go on to Extra. My team is conducting a test session on February 23rd here in our area. So far, while the pre-registrations are up slightly, there's been no massive rush (so far). Please post the "ARS License Numbers" as of the 22nd for the baseline for the pool. Dee, N8UZE |
Another Morgasm
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:49:10 -0500, "Dee Flint" wrote: wrote in message oups.com... [snip] I'm rarely surprised when an amateur behaving badly turns out to be a 20WPM Tested Extra. This is the same type of stereotyping as saying that no-code Techs are CB hams. only to someone with poor english skills ......or poor writing skills. This stereotyping has no validity. wrong again it is has been shown over and oover again that the extra class ahs the highest rate of offender Just as an FYI, one of the worst jammers on the west coast was a Technician. this howver is your putting down the techs again Poor Markie, always the victim. These behaviours have nothing to do with one's license class........ an unpsupprted assertion Actually, Markie, her observation is common sense, something you lack. ........ and everything to do with the individual's already existing personality. wihich likely plays a factor in the offender class of license too An undocumentable assertion is wrong for Dee but acceptable for you? Only in your convoluted mind.... Dee, N8UZE www.ipunce.blogspot.com |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
KH6HZ wrote:
"Dave Heil" wrote: You may now chew on these statements and attempt to reconcile them. Damn Dave! You're gonna confuzzle all the riders on the Short Bus with all these facts! Anyone can see that hot-ham-and-cheese's purpose is not to seek truth. He is still bearing a chip the size of Somalia on his shoulder. Dave K8MN |
Another Morgasm
wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:26:09 -0500, "Paul W. Schlock" Mork@anon wrote: if you want your posts answer you need to stop forging somebody esles names even though Paul is in my opinion an asshole you have not the right to forge his name Look at the name. Look closely, Oh, Befuddled One. Still can't see it? -- nor can he spell his insults correctly if he is going to attack my spellinghis should be beyond repaorch |
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On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:32:44 -0500, My Daddy wrote:
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:26:09 -0500, "Paul W. Schlock" Mork@anon wrote: if you want your posts answer you need to stop forging somebody esles It seems to me that you just answered him, Daddy. names even though Paul is in my opinion an asshole you have not the right to forge his name And you don't have the means to enforce anything, Daddy. |
Another Morgasm
"Lloyd Morgan" wrote in message ... On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:32:44 -0500, My Daddy wrote: On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 14:26:09 -0500, "Paul W. Schlock" Mork@anon wrote: if you want your posts answer you need to stop forging somebody esles It seems to me that you just answered him, Daddy. You KNOW Mark can't simply let a single post go. He simply HAS to say something, even something off topic. Yes, I made him dance again. names even though Paul is in my opinion an asshole you have not the right to forge his name And you're going to do what about it? Huh, Myna bird ????? And you don't have the means to enforce anything, Daddy. |
Residence vs. Mailing Address
On Feb 18, 11:33 am, Dave Heil wrote:
wrote: On Feb 17, 9:11 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote: wrote: Then you know Yes, I do. A PO Box can be for an individual, a business, or a household. In the case of the latter do, multiple individuals may receive mail there. Then you're either Jeffrey Hermann, Jeffrey Hermann's relation, or Jeffrey Hermann's employee. For the entire time I lived overseas, my U.S. mailing address, as far as the FCC was concerned was that of WA8JOC in Cincinnati. I did not physically reside there. I was not an employee of WA8JOC. I am not related to WA8JOC. Despite these things, my providing the FCC that address did not constitute fraud and it broke no laws. It didn't attempt to circumvent any laws. WA8JOC's address is still the FCC address of record for a number of Finnish radio amateurs who took and passed U.S. licensing exams. My own address is the FCC address of record for one Finnish radio amateur who took such an exam. The FCC says that applicants must have a U.S. address, not that the applicant must reside at that address. The applicant must either a U.S. Social Security number *or* a Taxpayer Identification Number. Those Finnish hams were able to obtain a TIN without ever having had a SSN. This was done after the FCC was contacted directly about the situation and asked what should be done. For all other mailing purposes in the U.S., my parents addresses in Kentucky and in Georgia were used as my address of record in the United States. I had not resided with them for decades. I broke no laws nor did I commit fraud. In 1993, I provided the Department of State a legal residence address which is the same as the address I now have. No mail was being sent here and there was not even a rural mailbox standing at this location. I didn't live here until 2000. You may now chew on these statements and attempt to reconcile them. Dave K8MN Were you, WA8JOC, any number of Finnish radio amateurs, or your parents using Jeffrey Hermann's PO Box on Hawaii? You must have missed the part where this is about the use of Jeffrey Hermann's PO Box on Hawaii. |
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