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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html


I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... bb

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wrote in message
ps.com...
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

One could take the garage door opener manufacturer to small claims
court...and win...unless the manufacturer specifically warned that their
system could be rendered useless anytime at the discretion of the military
(which I highly doubt they did). A good attorney might even consider a class
action lawsuit on this one and make lots of money. The manufacturers knew
the risk and gambled. Their customers lost.

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On Feb 26, 9:04�pm, wrote:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... *bb

Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

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On Feb 26, 9:51?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

One could take the garage door opener manufacturer to small claims
court...and win...unless the manufacturer specifically warned that their
system could be rendered useless anytime at the discretion of the military
(which I highly doubt they did). A good attorney might even consider a class
action lawsuit on this one and make lots of money. The manufacturers knew
the risk and gambled. Their customers lost.

I doubt that, Stefan, but you never know.

Having read your item here I turned over a couple of radios
(broadcast types) that I have here in the house, and both of them had
the usual Part 15 caveat about "may not cause harm" and "must accept
interference from" paragraphs, so the manufcturers ARE "warning"
people about such uses.

Granted, John Q Public probably never reads those warnings, and
if they did, has no idea what they mean.

This isn't a new event, either. There was a similar rash of
consumer device failures in and around MCAS El Toro, CA, MCAS(H)
Tustin, CA, and Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton in the mid-80's.

73

Steve, K4YZ

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"K4YZ" wrote in message
oups.com...
On Feb 26, 9:51?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

One could take the garage door opener manufacturer to small claims
court...and win...unless the manufacturer specifically warned that their
system could be rendered useless anytime at the discretion of the
military
(which I highly doubt they did). A good attorney might even consider a
class
action lawsuit on this one and make lots of money. The manufacturers knew
the risk and gambled. Their customers lost.

I doubt that, Stefan, but you never know.

Having read your item here I turned over a couple of radios
(broadcast types) that I have here in the house, and both of them had
the usual Part 15 caveat about "may not cause harm" and "must accept
interference from" paragraphs, so the manufcturers ARE "warning"
people about such uses.

Granted, John Q Public probably never reads those warnings, and
if they did, has no idea what they mean.

This isn't a new event, either. There was a similar rash of
consumer device failures in and around MCAS El Toro, CA, MCAS(H)
Tustin, CA, and Marine Corps Base Camp Pendleton in the mid-80's.

I'm sure the Government warning is there but I would sue anyway. They
probably would not bother to show up in court and I would win by default. If
they were so inclined to show up, they would have to pay attorney's fees
higher than the manufacturer's cost of the probably so they might even go
for a settlement or allow a default judgement against them. This is not
occaisional interference; what it means is that one day your product simply
ceases to function.

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On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:
On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

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On Feb 27, 7:38�pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

* * *Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." :-)

It is very doubtful he was ever an 18-year-active-duty USMC
person. There has been NO, repeat NO PROOF
of that available to anyone in here. No document copies,
not even a snapshot of him IN the service.

73, LA

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On Feb 26, 9:51?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

One could take the garage door opener manufacturer to small claims
court...and win...unless the manufacturer specifically warned that their
system could be rendered useless anytime at the discretion of the military
(which I highly doubt they did). A good attorney might even consider a class
action lawsuit on this one and make lots of money. The manufacturers knew
the risk and gambled. Their customers lost.

But who are you going to sue?

This has gone around-and-around before and the "consumer" always
comes up on the short end of the stick simply because the manufacturer
DOES show up with a copy of the law under their arm, demonstrates that
their device IS in compliance, and that is, as they say, that.

It's a simple matter to engineer in additional filtering, but
with extra filtering comes extra cost. However with the transmitting
unit restricted to the radiation limits of Part 15, it still won't
take much in a strong field to overcome even rudimentary filtering.

Good luck with the case, though...Do let us know how it goes.

73

Steve, K4YZ

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On Feb 27, 9:38�pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

* * *Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

Far more references documenting my service in the Marine Corps
has been presented in this forum than has been presented proving YOUR
alleged service in the Air Force, and TONS more than your "proof" of
your N0IMD/T5 operation, Brain...Which is to say you've never
validated either.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

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"K4YZ" wrote:

Far more references documenting my service in the Marine Corps
has been presented in this forum than has been presented proving YOUR
alleged service in the Air Force, and TONS more than your "proof" of
your N0IMD/T5 operation, Brain...Which is to say you've never
validated either.

Well if the Marines had a "Chemical Cops" I'm sure they wouldn't have
allowed you to retire, Steve.

73
kh6hz

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On Feb 28, 2:05�pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote:
* * Far more references documenting my service in the Marine Corps
has been presented in this forum than has been presented proving YOUR
alleged service in the Air Force, and TONS more than your "proof" of
your N0IMD/T5 operation, Brain...Which is to say you've never
validated either.

Well if the Marines had a "Chemical Cops" I'm sure they wouldn't have
allowed you to retire, Steve.

Absolutely! And I'd have been drafted at age 8 and promoted to
Colonel.... ! ! ! ! ! Sure would prefer retirement pay of an Oscar 6
than E7!

How's things your way?

73

Steve, K4YZ

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"K4YZ" wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 26, 9:51?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

One could take the garage door opener manufacturer to small claims
court...and win...unless the manufacturer specifically warned that their
system could be rendered useless anytime at the discretion of the
military
(which I highly doubt they did). A good attorney might even consider a
class
action lawsuit on this one and make lots of money. The manufacturers knew
the risk and gambled. Their customers lost.

But who are you going to sue?

You would sue the one with deep pockets, probably the manufacturer but it
could also be home depot or sears or wherever one purchased it.

This has gone around-and-around before and the "consumer" always
comes up on the short end of the stick simply because the manufacturer
DOES show up with a copy of the law under their arm, demonstrates that
their device IS in compliance, and that is, as they say, that.

It is compliant, yes. But it doesn't work. That is the basis of the suit in
small claims court.

It's a simple matter to engineer in additional filtering, but
with extra filtering comes extra cost. However with the transmitting
unit restricted to the radiation limits of Part 15, it still won't
take much in a strong field to overcome even rudimentary filtering.

The manufacturer can then be ordered to provide all customers with a free
filter upgrade, depending on what the judge says.


Good luck with the case, though...Do let us know how it goes.

Well, I'm not doing the suing...but I would if it happened to me, believe
me.

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wrote in message
ups.com...
On Feb 27, 7:38?pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

* "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." :-)

This assertion is simply not correct. In order to join MARS and receive a
MARS call sign, one must be approved by a branch of the military service for
that purpose and one must be a present, retired or family member of a
military member. Additionally, there are separate MARS frequencies outside
of the allocations reserved for the amateur service that are excluded from
regular Part 97 use.

How can Len say MARS is "ham" radio?

It is a special military radio service. I think Mr. Anderson may be too
devoured in the treasured memories of his old Austin Healy with the 23
channel CB (before his XYL made him sell both) to think logiocally about
matters concerning real amateur radio (i.e., not 11m).

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From: "Stefan Wolfe" on Wed, Feb 28 2007 7:24 pm

wrote in message
On Feb 27, 7:38?pm, wrote:
On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:


http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

* "Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." :-)

This assertion is simply not correct.

I agree but Steven James Robeson, K4YZ, wrote it. See the quote
marks up there?

You were not present when Robeson was told of his obvious
error...by several others. I posted the link to the DoD
directive on MARS operations.

In order to join MARS and receive a
MARS call sign, one must be approved by a branch of the military service for
that purpose and one must be a present, retired or family member of a
military member.

You had best look up the various service branch MARS
web pages and correct yourself on the above.

Additionally, there are separate MARS frequencies outside
of the allocations reserved for the amateur service that are excluded from
regular Part 97 use.

Not only am I well aware that MARS frequencies are NOT in
US amateur band allocations but I have so stated before
in here.

How can Len say MARS is "ham" radio?

Here's a clue, Gomer, "Len" did NOT say that. "Len" simply
quoted Robesin's Gomer-Pyleish statement to Hans Brakob.

It is a special military radio service.

MARS is an acronym standing for Military Affiliate Radio Service.
MARS is NOT a tactical or strategic radio service for US military
radio communications...it never was. The predecessor to MARS
was born before WW2 in the US Army, a quaint idea to get US
amateurs involved in hopes that some "new technology" in radio
might be tried out or shown to the US Army. As far as radio
design for the Army is concerned, that did not appear to happen.

I think Mr. Anderson may be too
devoured in the treasured memories of his old Austin Healy with the 23
channel CB (before his XYL made him sell both) to think logiocally about
matters concerning real amateur radio (i.e., not 11m).

The '53 A-H sports car was traded in for a 61 Chevvy Impala
convertible. The CB was transferred to the Impala and used
often for years after that. Oh, and the 11m CB band USED to
be part of the 11m US amateur radio allocation prior to 1958.

Steppinwolfe, was there anything else you wanted to **** up
on "corrections" or are you satisfied with ****ing up your
present posting? On the F-U meter you are only hitting about
an S7 with a great deal of selective fading. Try tuning up
your mind a LOT better next time, OK?

LA

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On Feb 28, 11:22�pm, John Smith wrote:
wrote:

* ...

* *Steppinwolfe, was there anything else you wanted to **** up
* *on "corrections" or are you satisfied with ****ing up your
* *present posting? *On the F-U meter you are only hitting about
* *an S7 with a great deal of selective fading. *Try tuning up
* *your mind a LOT better next time, OK?

* *LA

Len:

When things get to heavy, just go get laid ... always has worked for me.

We'll worry about the rest tomorrow ...

"Today is the tomorrow you worried about yesterday." - tagline

I agree with your "cure," JS. Try telling that to Miccolo Tesla.
:-)

73, LA

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wrote in message
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From: "Stefan Wolfe" on Wed, Feb 28 2007 7:24 pm

I agree but Steven James Robeson, K4YZ, wrote it. See the quote
marks up there?

You were not present when Robeson was told of his obvious
error...by several others. I posted the link to the DoD
directive on MARS operations.

In order to join MARS and receive a
MARS call sign, one must be approved by a branch of the military service
for
that purpose and one must be a present, retired or family member of a
military member.

You had best look up the various service branch MARS
web pages and correct yourself on the above.

You are correct but this is a very insignificant point.


Additionally, there are separate MARS frequencies outside
of the allocations reserved for the amateur service that are excluded from
regular Part 97 use.

Not only am I well aware that MARS frequencies are NOT in
US amateur band allocations but I have so stated before
in here.

As if everyone here has read all of your posts over the last 10 years? I see
you like to flatter yourself.


How can Len say MARS is "ham" radio?

Here's a clue, Gomer, "Len" did NOT say that. "Len" simply
quoted Robesin's Gomer-Pyleish statement to Hans Brakob.

You did not attribute the quote by name or even say it was a quote. You
merely inserted quote marks which, when not properly attributed, makes
grammatical nonsense. However, poor grammar is to be overlooked for many
individuals including yourself in this newsgroup.

It is a special military radio service.

MARS is an acronym standing for Military Affiliate Radio Service.
MARS is NOT a tactical or strategic radio service for US military
radio communications...it never was.

Really. OMG, I thought MARS was a Top SECRET classified confidential and
highly tactical/strategic radio service that was used on different
frequencies than the ham bands so we couldn't hear what the military was
saying. Did the Russians know about this too?

The predecessor to MARS
was born before WW2 in the US Army, a quaint idea to get US
amateurs involved in hopes that some "new technology" in radio
might be tried out or shown to the US Army. As far as radio
design for the Army is concerned, that did not appear to happen.

It only served to put a few service people in touch with their loved ones
during WW2, korea and VN. Then this "new technology" as you put it was all
forgotten due to the other big secret that I think you're holding back on:

Roswell.

And the +/- gravity amplifiers.

After the saucer crashes, the military considered ham radio to be relatively
low tech so MARS was relegated to a low place on the military budget, but I
know you must deny this :-))

I think Mr. Anderson may be too
devoured in the treasured memories of his old Austin Healy with the 23
channel CB (before his XYL made him sell both) to think logiocally about
matters concerning real amateur radio (i.e., not 11m).

The '53 A-H sports car was traded in for a 61 Chevvy Impala
convertible. The CB was transferred to the Impala and used
often for years after that. Oh, and the 11m CB band USED to
be part of the 11m US amateur radio allocation prior to 1958.

Steppinwolfe, was there anything else you wanted to **** up
on "corrections" or are you satisfied with ****ing up your
present posting? On the F-U meter you are only hitting about
an S7 with a great deal of selective fading. Try tuning up
your mind a LOT better next time, OK?

Well, I might suggest you avoid the "f" word when posting. Remember,
whatever you post here is and always will be accessible to everyone who
cares to research you on usenet. Do you have grandchildren? Whatever you
write here will be publically available to hundreds of your future
offspring, some of whom will likely be researching usenet for the profound
writings of their great great great grandfather Len. Authoring posts like
this with the "f" word will show them how little class their ancestor had.
Ever think of that, bud?

However, I think we all can agree it will be 20K times worse for offshoots
of kb9rqz (I feel sorry for them already!).

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On Mar 1, 5:31�pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message

ps.com...

From: "Stefan Wolfe" on Wed, Feb 28 2007 7:24 pm
* I agree but Steven James Robeson, K4YZ, wrote it. *See the quote
* marks up there?

* You were not present when Robeson was told of his obvious
* error...by several others. *I posted the link to the DoD
* directive on MARS operations.

In order to join MARS and receive a
MARS call sign, one must be approved by a branch of the military service
for
that purpose and one must be a present, retired or family member of a
military member.

* You had best look up the various service branch MARS
* web pages and correct yourself on the above.

You are correct but this is a very insignificant point.

NOT to the military nor the particular MARS group.

As if everyone here has read all of your posts over the last 10 years? I see
you like to flatter yourself.

No. No flattery is necessary. Brian Burke, Hans Brakob
and myself tried to correct Robesin but - as usual - he
refused to be corrected. That particular thread ran for
months. That quote was VERY familiar to ANYONE
seeing it at the time.


Really. OMG, I thought MARS was a Top SECRET classified confidential and
highly tactical/strategic radio service that was used on different
frequencies than the ham bands so we couldn't hear what the military was
saying. Did the Russians know about this too?

You are writing gibberish again. MARS did not carry any
classified or secure communications nor was it "secret"
to any amateur years ago. I doubt ANY MARS station
ever carried classified communications.

In 1954, for example, the Tokyo MARS station was a two-
room office space at the FEC Hq building (the former
Japanese military Hq building during WW2, would later
revert back as the Japanese Self Defense Force Hq
when FEC Hq was moved to Fort Shafter, HI. MARS
got to use bits and pieces of RF transmitters on a very
low priority - if and only if it was available. I know this
as a member of the REAL tactical-strategic Army
station that served the FEC Hq at the time. In late 1955
the Tokyo MARS station got moved to Hardy Barracks
in west-central Tokyo and was permitted to get multi-
band beam antenna and more amateur-like equipment.

The predecessor to MARS
* was born before WW2 in the US Army, a quaint idea to get US
* amateurs involved in hopes that some "new technology" in radio
* might be tried out or shown to the US Army. *As far as radio
* design for the Army is concerned, that did not appear to happen.

It only served to put a few service people in touch with their loved ones
during WW2, korea and VN.

NOT "during" WW2. NOT "during" the active part of the
Korean War. The Korean War entered a permanent Truce
period in July 1953 and that has NOT ended to this day.

In 1954 and beyond, there were sufficient voice telephone
circuits available commercially to enable "loved ones" to
communicate directly with military personnel...IF and only
IF those personnel were free to use such commercial
communications. Officers and other higher-rank civilians
were able to do so but not the vast majority of the rest.
Red Cross messaging was available (on a low priority
to military comms) and usually sent over non-busy
TTY circuits after the end of a "radio day" (which was
about 2 to 3 AM local Tokyo time). This was seen at
ADA Control center where I spent a month filling in for
a regular center E-5 who was on emergency leave.
During that time one of the TTY relay tape handlers
on midnight shift got to see a copy of a Red Cross
message saying he had just become a father. Proud
new papa was then chewed out by the Officer in Charge
of TTY relay for "looking at unauthorized messages!"
That OIC was later reprimanded by the signal battalion
commander for that...and wound up on the immediate
list for return to civilian life as a reservist, something
that was the Army's equivalent to "downsizing" after
the Truce.

MARS *is* given credit for its messaging during the
Vietnam War morale support. You can find that at the
US Army Center for Military History on Signal Operations
during the Vietnam War. The DoD dates the 'Nam War
from 1965 to 1973 and is over 30 years in the past.



Then this "new technology" as you put it was all
forgotten due to the other big secret that I think you're holding back on:

Roswell.

And the +/- gravity amplifiers.

After the saucer crashes, the military considered ham radio to be relatively
low tech so MARS was relegated to a low place on the military budget, but I
know you must deny this :-))

You are nuts.


Well, I might suggest you avoid the "f" word when posting. Remember,
whatever you post here is and always will be accessible to everyone who
cares to research you on usenet. Do you have grandchildren?

No. My grand-nephew is presently serving in Iraq as a PFC
with a heavy-equipment moving and repair unit. I am proud
of his voluntary service and know damn-****ing-well how
he and his buddies "talk" as one who went before him.

Authoring posts like
this with the "f" word will show them how little class their ancestor had.
Ever think of that, bud?

You've been taking lessons from the Nun of the Above?

Drop the ANONYMOUS Sister act with knuckle-spanking
ruler. One transgendered sissy in here is enough. Two
is way too many.


However, I think we all can agree it will be 20K times worse for offshoots
of kb9rqz (I feel sorry for them already!).

No, that's WRONG. Given the posting examples of one
who managed to get the callsign of K4YZ (there are no
psychological tests of radio amateurs), HIS progeny
are probably carrying his gene material. That is NOT
GOOD for the human race. Or for the USMC.

Steppinwolfe, why go on with your ANONYMITY? You
don't fool anyone. You are simply ignorant of radio
communications in general, certainly so for the USA
which has a lot of communications history available
for the learning. Get some help with your "belief" in
aliens and flying saucers. Or go infiltrate "Area 51"
and get arrested for trespassing on US military
property...you will then get some "help" on your
crazy belief trauma.

LA

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On Feb 28, 1:12 pm, "
wrote:
On Feb 27, 7:38?pm, wrote:

On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

? ? ?Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." :-)

It is very doubtful he was ever an 18-year-active-duty USMC
person. There has been NO, repeat NO PROOF
of that available to anyone in here. No document copies,
not even a snapshot of him IN the service.

73, LA

No proof. None. Just preposterous claims of heroism.

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On Mar 1, 8:42 pm, wrote:
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007 20:31:07 -0500, "Stefan Wolfe"
wrote:







wrote in message
ups.com...
From: "Stefan Wolfe" on Wed, Feb 28 2007 7:24 pm

I agree but Steven James Robeson, K4YZ, wrote it. See the quote
marks up there?

You were not present when Robeson was told of his obvious
error...by several others. I posted the link to the DoD
directive on MARS operations.

In order to join MARS and receive a
MARS call sign, one must be approved by a branch of the military service
for
that purpose and one must be a present, retired or family member of a
military member.

You had best look up the various service branch MARS
web pages and correct yourself on the above.

You are correct but this is a very insignificant point.

steve Robeson has been raving about this for what what 4 years

Only because he's stupid.

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On Mar 2, 8:01�pm, wrote:
On Feb 28, 1:12 pm, "
wrote:





On Feb 27, 7:38?pm, wrote:

On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

? ? ?Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

* *"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." * * * * :-)

* *It is very doubtful he was ever an 18-year-active-duty USMC
* *person. *There has been NO, repeat NO PROOF
* *of that available to anyone in here. *No document copies,
* *not even a snapshot of him IN the service.

* *73, LA

No proof. *None. *Just preposterous claims of heroism.

...and don't forget the constant stream of vituperation
directed against those of us who challenged him on
the existance of that proof!

73, LA

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On Mar 1, 9:15 pm, "
wrote:
On Mar 1, 5:31?pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...
From: "Stefan Wolfe" on Wed, Feb 28 2007 7:24 pm
? I agree but Steven James Robeson, K4YZ, wrote it. ?See the quote
? marks up there?

? You were not present when Robeson was told of his obvious
? error...by several others. ?I posted the link to the DoD
? directive on MARS operations.

Robesin didn't know what the MOD was. Robesin didn't know what a Base
Support Team was. It was all about eavesdropping on "private" calls
between deployed pers and their stateside wives...

In order to join MARS and receive a
MARS call sign, one must be approved by a branch of the military service
for
that purpose and one must be a present, retired or family member of a
military member.

? You had best look up the various service branch MARS
? web pages and correct yourself on the above.

You are correct but this is a very insignificant point.

NOT to the military nor the particular MARS group.

No lie of Robesin's will be categorized as "insignificant..."

As if everyone here has read all of your posts over the last 10 years? I see
you like to flatter yourself.

No. No flattery is necessary. Brian Burke, Hans Brakob
and myself tried to correct Robesin but - as usual - he
refused to be corrected. That particular thread ran for
months. That quote was VERY familiar to ANYONE
seeing it at the time.

Anyone at all. Robesin's exact quote has become the flag of both MARS
and Amateur Radio stupidity.

Really. OMG, I thought MARS was a Top SECRET classified confidential and
highly tactical/strategic radio service that was used on different
frequencies than the ham bands so we couldn't hear what the military was
saying. Did the Russians know about this too?

You are writing gibberish again. MARS did not carry any
classified or secure communications nor was it "secret"
to any amateur years ago. I doubt ANY MARS station
ever carried classified communications.

When the Air Force deployed troops to Somalia to bring over the 10th
Mtn and others, the assigned AF MARS Call was classified until it was
activated. Fortunatley, the Air Force had robust enough
communications to not have to activate the callsign for AF personnel.
The USN was being stingy with MARS, and only when I offered to
activate the AF MARS for MWR calls for the USMC personnel did the USN
let go of a callsign for the location. Sad, but true.

In 1954, for example, the Tokyo MARS station was a two-
room office space at the FEC Hq building (the former
Japanese military Hq building during WW2, would later
revert back as the Japanese Self Defense Force Hq
when FEC Hq was moved to Fort Shafter, HI. MARS
got to use bits and pieces of RF transmitters on a very
low priority - if and only if it was available. I know this
as a member of the REAL tactical-strategic Army
station that served the FEC Hq at the time. In late 1955
the Tokyo MARS station got moved to Hardy Barracks
in west-central Tokyo and was permitted to get multi-
band beam antenna and more amateur-like equipment.

Where was Robesin? Miccolis?

The predecessor to MARS
? was born before WW2 in the US Army, a quaint idea to get US
? amateurs involved in hopes that some "new technology" in radio
? might be tried out or shown to the US Army. ?As far as radio
? design for the Army is concerned, that did not appear to happen.

It only served to put a few service people in touch with their loved ones
during WW2, korea and VN.

NOT "during" WW2. NOT "during" the active part of the
Korean War. The Korean War entered a permanent Truce
period in July 1953 and that has NOT ended to this day.

In 1954 and beyond, there were sufficient voice telephone
circuits available commercially to enable "loved ones" to
communicate directly with military personnel...IF and only
IF those personnel were free to use such commercial
communications. Officers and other higher-rank civilians
were able to do so but not the vast majority of the rest.

Where was Robesin? Miccolis?

Red Cross messaging was available (on a low priority
to military comms) and usually sent over non-busy
TTY circuits after the end of a "radio day" (which was

RADAY.

about 2 to 3 AM local Tokyo time). This was seen at
ADA Control center where I spent a month filling in for
a regular center E-5 who was on emergency leave.
During that time one of the TTY relay tape handlers
on midnight shift got to see a copy of a Red Cross
message saying he had just become a father. Proud
new papa was then chewed out by the Officer in Charge
of TTY relay for "looking at unauthorized messages!"
That OIC was later reprimanded by the signal battalion
commander for that...and wound up on the immediate
list for return to civilian life as a reservist, something
that was the Army's equivalent to "downsizing" after
the Truce.

Robesin was never an "OIC" therefore he could not have been the actual
culprit. However, he claims to have been an "A" NCOIC.

MARS *is* given credit for its messaging during the
Vietnam War morale support. You can find that at the
US Army Center for Military History on Signal Operations
during the Vietnam War. The DoD dates the 'Nam War
from 1965 to 1973 and is over 30 years in the past.

Robesin was not there.

Then this "new technology" as you put it was all

forgotten due to the other big secret that I think you're holding back on:

Roswell.

And the +/- gravity amplifiers.

Yikes!!!

Robesin is an Alien. That explains much...

After the saucer crashes, the military considered ham radio to be relatively
low tech so MARS was relegated to a low place on the military budget, but I
know you must deny this :-))

You are nuts.

Soy nuts.

Well, I might suggest you avoid the "f" word when posting. Remember,
whatever you post here is and always will be accessible to everyone who
cares to research you on usenet. Do you have grandchildren?

No. My grand-nephew is presently serving in Iraq as a PFC
with a heavy-equipment moving and repair unit. I am proud
of his voluntary service and know damn-****ing-well how
he and his buddies "talk" as one who went before him.

Robesin's USMC didn't use the "f" word, according to Robesin. This is
how I know that Robesin wasn't a Marine.

Authoring posts like
this with the "f" word will show them how little class their ancestor had.
Ever think of that, bud?

You've been taking lessons from the Nun of the Above?

Drop the ANONYMOUS Sister act with knuckle-spanking
ruler. One transgendered sissy in here is enough. Two
is way too many.

Fortunately for Robesin, none of his progeny were able to read/write.
Excrement eating will me completely missed by them, thank goodness.

However, I think we all can agree it will be 20K times worse for offshoots
of kb9rqz (I feel sorry for them already!).

No, that's WRONG. Given the posting examples of one
who managed to get the callsign of K4YZ (there are no
psychological tests of radio amateurs), HIS progeny
are probably carrying his gene material. That is NOT
GOOD for the human race. Or for the USMC.

True enough. However, I'm not so sure that any of Robesin's DNA has
survived...

Steppinwolfe, why go on with your ANONYMITY? You
don't fool anyone. You are simply ignorant of radio
communications in general, certainly so for the USA
which has a lot of communications history available
for the learning. Get some help with your "belief" in
aliens and flying saucers. Or go infiltrate "Area 51"
and get arrested for trespassing on US military
property...you will then get some "help" on your
crazy belief trauma.

LA-

I'm thinking that Steppin Wolf never served...

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On Feb 28, 2:46 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:
On Feb 27, 9:38?pm, wrote:

On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

? ? ?Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

Far more references documenting my service in the Marine Corps

Shoe Shine Boy is certainly service...

has been presented in this forum than has been presented proving YOUR
alleged service in the Air Force, and TONS more than your "proof" of
your N0IMD/T5 operation, Brain...Which is to say you've never
validated either.

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

I've never made claims to seven (7) acts of heroism.... you have.

USMC Waxes Part 15 Devices
 

On Feb 28, 3:05 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:
"K4YZ" wrote:
Far more references documenting my service in the Marine Corps
has been presented in this forum than has been presented proving YOUR
alleged service in the Air Force, and TONS more than your "proof" of
your N0IMD/T5 operation, Brain...Which is to say you've never
validated either.

Well if the Marines had a "Chemical Cops" I'm sure they wouldn't have
allowed you to retire, Steve.

73
kh6hz

What would a No-Server know about the Chemical "Corps?" He's busy
playing Radio Commando...

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On Mar 2, 11:29 pm, "
wrote:
On Mar 2, 8:01?pm, wrote:





On Feb 28, 1:12 pm, "
wrote:

On Feb 27, 7:38?pm, wrote:

On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

? ? ?Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

? ?"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." ? ? ? ? :-)

? ?It is very doubtful he was ever an 18-year-active-duty USMC
? ?person. ?There has been NO, repeat NO PROOF
? ?of that available to anyone in here. ?No document copies,
? ?not even a snapshot of him IN the service.

? ?73, LA

No proof. ?None. ?Just preposterous claims of heroism.

...and don't forget the constant stream of vituperation
directed against those of us who challenged him on
the existance of that proof!

73, LA

He has a T-Shirt that tells him to deny and make counter-accusations.
He has complied with his T-Shirt.

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On Feb 28, 3:25 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:
On Feb 28, 2:05?pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:

"K4YZ" wrote:
? ? Far more references documenting my service in the Marine Corps
has been presented in this forum than has been presented proving YOUR
alleged service in the Air Force, and TONS more than your "proof" of
your N0IMD/T5 operation, Brain...Which is to say you've never
validated either.

Well if the Marines had a "Chemical Cops" I'm sure they wouldn't have
allowed you to retire, Steve.

Absolutely! And I'd have been drafted at age 8 and promoted to
Colonel.... ! ! ! ! ! Sure would prefer retirement pay of an Oscar 6
than E7!

How's things your way?

73

Steve, K4YZ

An "Oscar-6???" You shure have the gab down for a non-server...

Miccolis would be impressed.

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wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 2, 11:29 pm, "
wrote:
On Mar 2, 8:01?pm, wrote:





On Feb 28, 1:12 pm, "
wrote:

On Feb 27, 7:38?pm, wrote:

On Feb 27, 4:40 pm, "K4YZ" wrote:

On Feb 26, 9:04?pm, wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/02/26/sig....ap/index.html

I guess Robeson REALLY didn't like my Part 15 remarks... ?bb

? ? ?Other than the fact that the article involved the Marine
Corps, I
am wondering what that article had to do with me, Brain?

Steve, K4YZ

You were a Marine?

? ?"Sorry, Hans, MARS IS ham radio." ? ? ? ? :-)

? ?It is very doubtful he was ever an 18-year-active-duty USMC
? ?person. ?There has been NO, repeat NO PROOF
? ?of that available to anyone in here. ?No document copies,
? ?not even a snapshot of him IN the service.

? ?73, LA

No proof. ?None. ?Just preposterous claims of heroism.

...and don't forget the constant stream of vituperation
directed against those of us who challenged him on
the existance of that proof!

73, LA

He has a T-Shirt that tells him to deny and make counter-accusations.
He has complied with his T-Shirt.

Apparently Gaseous Baggeous Len has influenced you, too.
Now we can double our pleasure, double our fun.
Two Gas Bags rolled into one.