On Mar 7, 8:32?pm, "an_old_friend" wrote:
On Mar 7, 9:45 pm, wrote:

On Mar 5, 7:06 pm, "KH6HZ" wrote:

"Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
When he electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license
exam to blame.

Message volume in this newsgroup would drop by 99%.

So, is that a 'bad thing'?

Exactly why did you return to RRAP?

to help his buddy Robeson?

Sounds like a winner opinion, Mark! :-)

"Frauds of a feather stick together..."

73, AF6AY

On Mar 8, 10:58�am, wrote:
On 7 Mar 2007 18:43:42 -0800, wrote:





On Mar 5, 7:02 pm, "Stefan Wolfe" wrote:
"Thomas Horne" wrote in message

link.net...

Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
groups.com...
On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:

[snip]

All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.

Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class
written exam. *Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level
licenses. All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our
Extra written) and those who passed code got everything while those who
didn't were VHF/UHF only. *When the code was dropped, they folded the two
groups into one. *No need to haul out the many variations that existed.
While some countries did have an entry license with a simpler written
there were others who didn't. *In some countries, you had to take formal
classes and you were not allowed to take the test if you had just studied
on your own.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? *It would certainly
be good for the technical education industry but does that make it a good
thing for amateur radio.

If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. *I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. *I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along those
lines.

The European approach with one "extra" license class and compulsory
classroom training is not such a bad idea for people who operate on HF.. Can
you imagine that we are now allowing kb9rqz to operate a linear amp whose
plate voltage might be /= 3KV? Do you think kb9rqz is technically qualified
to open an AL80-B and change the 3-500Z tube? What if he forgets (or doesn't
know to) bleed the the DC bulk caps or even forgets to unplug it? When he
electrocutes himself we will have the dumbed-down general license exam to
blame. Perhaps linear amp usage should be restricted to extra class, or, we
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Plenty of Morse Code Tested Generals, Advanced, and Extras have had
their health records closed by amplifiers and towers. *And Mark has
had 1,500W privs from the Get-Go. *So what are you whining about now?

about the fact I did not have to go through the same hazing ritual he
did

at this point Hoesntly I don't how to service the amp in question. the
reason in my case is I don't own one. ifI aquire one I either get with
a service manual or go looking for service info

I know enough. I know poking aroing in an amp is dangerous without
futh knowledgehttp://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

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just another stalking thread
http://kb9rqz.blogspot.com/

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73, AF6AY

Congratulations on getting your license, Len.

wrote:
On Mar 5, 12:12 am, Thomas Horne wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
[snip]
All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.
Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.
Dee, N8UZE
Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? It would
certainly be good for the technical education industry but does that
make it a good thing for amateur radio.

If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR/AG- Hide quoted text -

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Lessee...

The ARRL has on-line classes for EMCOM, Antennas, Propagation,
Digital....


I take it you're suggesting that I take all of the ARRL advanced classes
as a substitute for a single class that is focused on the body of
knowledge that the exam tests for. At the urging of the VEs that ran my
general exam I took the extra the same day. I didn't pass but I did get
a sense of what the exam is testing for. I only recall two questions on
digital circuits or logic. Should I really take an entire course for
the sake of those two questions?
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR

On Mar 9, 5:49�pm, Thomas Horne wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 5, 12:12 am, Thomas Horne wrote:
I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. *I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--

The ARRL has on-line classes for EMCOM, Antennas, Propagation,
Digital....

I take it you're suggesting that I take all of the ARRL advanced classes
as a substitute for a single class that is focused on the body of
knowledge that the exam tests for. *At the urging of the VEs that ran my
general exam I took the extra the same day. *I didn't pass but I did get
a sense of what the exam is testing for. *I only recall two questions on
digital circuits or logic. *Should I really take an entire course for
the sake of those two questions?

Tom,

Congrats on your new General!

A suggestion on the Extra written:

The entire question pool is available free-for-the-download at various
sites.

Also, there are online *practice* exams at a number of sites, too.
They use the actual test Q&A, and will tell you which you get wrong
and which you get right, so you know your strong points and where you
need a bit more study.

If you (or anyone else here) are stumped by any of the questions or
explanations, just ask me and I'll help out. Email or newsgroup, here
or rec.radio.amateur.moderated.

73 es GL de Jim, N2EY

On Mar 9, 5:49 pm, Thomas Horne wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 5, 12:12 am, Thomas Horne wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
egroups.com...
On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
[snip]
All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.
Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.
Dee, N8UZE
Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? It would
certainly be good for the technical education industry but does that
make it a good thing for amateur radio.

If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR/AG- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Lessee...

The ARRL has on-line classes for EMCOM, Antennas, Propagation,
Digital....

I take it you're suggesting that I take all of the ARRL advanced classes
as a substitute for a single class that is focused on the body of
knowledge that the exam tests for. At the urging of the VEs that ran my
general exam I took the extra the same day. I didn't pass but I did get
a sense of what the exam is testing for. I only recall two questions on
digital circuits or logic. Should I really take an entire course for
the sake of those two questions?
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR

Tom, if you failed the Extra exam by two questions, then perhaps an
entire course is worthwhile... And what would it hurt to have more
knowledge than that minimum required to pass an exam? After all, it's
what you do with your license that's important.

The Old-Timers felt that the ARS gave up a lot when the FCC reduced
the Morse Code Exam to a single 5WPM (at 13-15WPM) exam. The ARRL
struck back with any number of on-line courses to beef up the
knowledge base of the service. I asked this very group if anyone had
taken any of the courses... no positive responses. They already know
everything. You admit that you don't, so perhaps a course would
benefit you.

Good luck getting to Extra.

On Mar 9, 6:05 pm, wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:49?pm, Thomas Horne wrote:





wrote:
On Mar 5, 12:12 am, Thomas Horne wrote:
I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. ?I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--

The ARRL has on-line classes for EMCOM, Antennas, Propagation,
Digital....

I take it you're suggesting that I take all of the ARRL advanced classes
as a substitute for a single class that is focused on the body of
knowledge that the exam tests for. ?At the urging of the VEs that ran my
general exam I took the extra the same day. ?I didn't pass but I did get
a sense of what the exam is testing for. ?I only recall two questions on
digital circuits or logic. ?Should I really take an entire course for
the sake of those two questions?

Tom,

Congrats on your new General!

A suggestion on the Extra written:

The entire question pool is available free-for-the-download at various
sites.

Also, there are online *practice* exams at a number of sites, too.
They use the actual test Q&A, and will tell you which you get wrong
and which you get right, so you know your strong points and where you
need a bit more study.

If you (or anyone else here) are stumped by any of the questions or
explanations, just ask me and I'll help out. Email or newsgroup, here
or rec.radio.amateur.moderated.

..moderated indeed. I'd be cautious of asking questions on RRAP...
W3RV might try to be "helpful."

73 es GL de Jim, N2EY- Hide quoted text -

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wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:49 pm, Thomas Horne wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 5, 12:12 am, Thomas Horne wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
[snip]
All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.
Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.
Dee, N8UZE
Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? It would
certainly be good for the technical education industry but does that
make it a good thing for amateur radio.
If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR/AG- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Lessee...
The ARRL has on-line classes for EMCOM, Antennas, Propagation,
Digital....
I take it you're suggesting that I take all of the ARRL advanced classes
as a substitute for a single class that is focused on the body of
knowledge that the exam tests for. At the urging of the VEs that ran my
general exam I took the extra the same day. I didn't pass but I did get
a sense of what the exam is testing for. I only recall two questions on
digital circuits or logic. Should I really take an entire course for
the sake of those two questions?
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR

Tom, if you failed the Extra exam by two questions, then perhaps an
entire course is worthwhile... And what would it hurt to have more
knowledge than that minimum required to pass an exam? After all, it's
what you do with your license that's important.

The Old-Timers felt that the ARS gave up a lot when the FCC reduced
the Morse Code Exam to a single 5WPM (at 13-15WPM) exam. The ARRL
struck back with any number of on-line courses to beef up the
knowledge base of the service. I asked this very group if anyone had
taken any of the courses... no positive responses. They already know
everything. You admit that you don't, so perhaps a course would
benefit you.

Good luck getting to Extra.


I didn't say that I missed by two questions. I said I only saw two
questions on the exam that were related to digital circuits. I was
wondering if it was worth taking the entire digital course to prepare
for two questions. I'd like to get the license as soon as possible so
that I can serve as a control operator on any frequency that might be
useful for emergency services work. That is were my particular interest
lies. I will be taking those courses once I have finished the Exam
preparation. What I was hoping to find was a course that is focused on
preparing for the Extra Class Exam.
--
Tom Horne

On Mar 9, 10:30 pm, Thomas Horne wrote:
wrote:

.....................

The Old-Timers felt that the ARS gave up a lot when the FCC reduced
the Morse Code Exam to a single 5WPM (at 13-15WPM) exam. The ARRL
struck back with any number of on-line courses to beef up the
knowledge base of the service. I asked this very group if anyone had
taken any of the courses... no positive responses. They already know
everything. You admit that you don't, so perhaps a course would
benefit you.

Good luck getting to Extra.

I didn't say that I missed by two questions. I said I only saw two
questions on the exam that were related to digital circuits. I was
wondering if it was worth taking the entire digital course to prepare
for two questions.

No, it's not. A night spent digesting a chapter or two on the subject
area in the ARRL Handbook should be more than enough prep on the
subject.

I'd like to get the license as soon as possible so
that I can serve as a control operator on any frequency that might be
useful for emergency services work. That is were my particular interest
lies. I will be taking those courses once I have finished the Exam
preparation. What I was hoping to find was a course that is focused on
preparing for the Extra Class Exam.

~~~

You might consider one of these:

http://www.arrl.org/catalog/?item=8659#top

http://www.amazon.com/Extra-Class-El.../dp/0945053266

ttp://www.gordonwestradioschool.com/

http://www.dauntless-soft.com/PRODUCTS/FCCTest/

--
Tom Horne

w3rv

.. . One of those nasty hostile old 20wpm Extras who knows
EVERYTHING . .

Like how to put up antennas and get T5 cards . .

On Mar 9, 10:30 pm, Thomas Horne wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 9, 5:49 pm, Thomas Horne wrote:
wrote:
On Mar 5, 12:12 am, Thomas Horne wrote:
Dee Flint wrote:
wrote in message
glegroups.com...
On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
[snip]
All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.
Ok then, let's do the same as some typical European countries. Only one
license class and every one takes the equivalent of the Extra class written
exam. Prior to the no code change, they did not have entry level licenses.
All licenses took the same written (basically equivalent to our Extra
written) and those who passed code got everything while those who didn't
were VHF/UHF only. When the code was dropped, they folded the two groups
into one. No need to haul out the many variations that existed. While some
countries did have an entry license with a simpler written there were others
who didn't. In some countries, you had to take formal classes and you were
not allowed to take the test if you had just studied on your own.
Dee, N8UZE
Dee
Are you saying you see that last as a positive thing? It would
certainly be good for the technical education industry but does that
make it a good thing for amateur radio.
If a formal course were a requirement then I imagine that it would be
easier to find one. I'd love to find a formal class for the extra class
material. I'd even be happy with a referral to a respectable
correspondence or on line course. Anyone have any suggestions along
those lines.
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR/AG- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Lessee...
The ARRL has on-line classes for EMCOM, Antennas, Propagation,
Digital....
I take it you're suggesting that I take all of the ARRL advanced classes
as a substitute for a single class that is focused on the body of
knowledge that the exam tests for. At the urging of the VEs that ran my
general exam I took the extra the same day. I didn't pass but I did get
a sense of what the exam is testing for. I only recall two questions on
digital circuits or logic. Should I really take an entire course for
the sake of those two questions?
--
Tom Horne, KB3OPR

Tom, if you failed the Extra exam by two questions, then perhaps an
entire course is worthwhile... And what would it hurt to have more
knowledge than that minimum required to pass an exam? After all, it's
what you do with your license that's important.

The Old-Timers felt that the ARS gave up a lot when the FCC reduced
the Morse Code Exam to a single 5WPM (at 13-15WPM) exam. The ARRL
struck back with any number of on-line courses to beef up the
knowledge base of the service. I asked this very group if anyone had
taken any of the courses... no positive responses. They already know
everything. You admit that you don't, so perhaps a course would
benefit you.

Good luck getting to Extra.

I didn't say that I missed by two questions. I said I only saw two
questions on the exam that were related to digital circuits.

Sorry.

I was
wondering if it was worth taking the entire digital course to prepare
for two questions. I'd like to get the license as soon as possible so
that I can serve as a control operator on any frequency that might be
useful for emergency services work. That is were my particular interest
lies.

That was my interest for getting a license, too.

I will be taking those courses once I have finished the Exam
preparation. What I was hoping to find was a course that is focused on
preparing for the Extra Class Exam.
--
Tom Horne

The ARRL publishes videos for licensing. Maybe some group locall has
them.

Good luck, bb