"Dee Flint" wrote in message
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I disagree. My bet is that we'll indeed have a de facto two level license
system but I think they will be General and Extra. The step from Tech to
General is not that difficult and the licensee will have access to all
modes, power levels and bands. Unless you are into DXing, contesting or
being a VE, the additional privileges that Extra licensees have are not
that much of an advantage.

I agree that this is the way it seems to be heading. However, I think ARRL
members should pressure the organization to lobby the FCC for another, coded
class who could exclusively operate on certain sections of the OOK morse sub
bands. I think it would be good for society if we could preserve the mode
for the future, given that there a certain albiet isolated occaisions when
its use can be extremely beneficial to society.

Although it's only been a dozen days since the
rules changed, there doesn't seem to be a flood
of new growth yet.

On Feb 22, 2007, the last day of the old rules,
there were 654,680 current, unexpired FCC-issued
amateur radio licenses held by individuals. Of those,
324,326 were held by Techs and Tech Pluses.

On Mar 05, 2007, there were 654,265 current, unexpired FCC-issued
amateur radio licenses
held by individuals. That's a drop of 415. Of those,
322,461 were held by Techs and Tech Pluses.

Looks like, so far, the main result of the rules
changes has been upgrades rather than
new hams.

73 de Jim, N2EY

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On Mar 3, 11:30 pm, "
wrote:
SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE CODELESS "REVOLUTION"

Based solely onwww.hamdata.compublished statistics from
22 February to 3 March 2007, there doesn't seem to be the
kind of "revolution" nor the influx of CB hordes expected
by the long-timers. Specifically, the table below uses the
small block of daily statistics that appears to the left of
the license class totals. Since the data of the data
is derived from FCC database files, the numberic values
represent daily quantities from FCC actions the day befo

NEW EXPIRED UPDATES CALL CHG. CLASS CHG
=== ======= ======= ========= =========
22 Feb, Thu. 174 172 894 49 88
23 Feb, Fri. 78 83 432 5 44
24 Feb, Sat. 190 127 494 47 121
25 Feb, Sun. 1 95 195 20 13
26 Feb, Mon. 0 0 58 0 0
27 Feb, Tue. 144 2 700 13 347
28 Feb, Wed. 99 168 846 44 89
1 Mar, Thu. 138 203 783 13 369
2 Mar, Fri. 87 204 729 12 346
3 Mar, Sat. 85 168 724 83 270

NEW = Never before licensed or retest after long absence
EXPIRED = Past the two-year grace period
UPDATES = Renewals, address changes, adminstrative
changes, not 'upgrades' to another class
CALL CHG = Changed call sign of existing license
CLASS CHG = Changed class of license (mostly 'upgrades')

Numbers for 25 and 26 Feb idicate the weekend off for FCC;
Expirations would probably be automatic as a result of
computer check of pre-determined grace period end. The
Updates column may be a result of more automation from
renewals received and thus might be due to just computer
activity automatically changing the licensing dates.

Tuesday the 27th probably indicates the beginning of the
"deluge" of VEC input that arrived on the Monday before.
The sudden jump in Class Changes is no doubt from existing
"lower" class Techs or Tech Plusses moving up to General.
What is interesting is that there don't seem to be ANY
significant change of NEW licensees' daily numbers. Those
have overwhelmingly come from unlicensed entering the Tech
class and have been at a constant increase since Tech was
created in 1991. The totals of Technician class HAVE
started to drop since the 23rd of February and continue
to decrease slowly; it is very certain that class'
licensees have upgraded to General or Extra now that there
is no code test requirement.

Whatever, it seems clear at a week after 06-178 became
legal that there isn't much of any influx of newcomers.

In the last 12 monthswww.hamdata.comreports that 22,609
NEW licensees entered. In the same period, 29,096 licenses
EXPIRED. Licensee grand total dropped by 6,487 in that
past period. A good thing or bad one?



Eventually, they'll all be Extras and my wish for a one class amateur
radio service will be fulfilled. We should change the name of that
license to: Amateur.



While I agree that a significant percentage will go on to Extra, I also
think that there will be a noticeable percentage who will stay at General.
Unless you are into contesting or DXing, there is not a lot of advantage to
getting an Extra.

Dee, N8UZE

On Mar 4, 9:00 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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oups.com...





On Mar 3, 11:30 pm, "
wrote:
SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE CODELESS "REVOLUTION"

Based solely onwww.hamdata.compublishedstatistics from
22 February to 3 March 2007, there doesn't seem to be the
kind of "revolution" nor the influx of CB hordes expected
by the long-timers. Specifically, the table below uses the
small block of daily statistics that appears to the left of
the license class totals. Since the data of the data
is derived from FCC database files, the numberic values
represent daily quantities from FCC actions the day befo

NEW EXPIRED UPDATES CALL CHG. CLASS CHG
=== ======= ======= ========= =========
22 Feb, Thu. 174 172 894 49 88
23 Feb, Fri. 78 83 432 5 44
24 Feb, Sat. 190 127 494 47 121
25 Feb, Sun. 1 95 195 20 13
26 Feb, Mon. 0 0 58 0 0
27 Feb, Tue. 144 2 700 13 347
28 Feb, Wed. 99 168 846 44 89
1 Mar, Thu. 138 203 783 13 369
2 Mar, Fri. 87 204 729 12 346
3 Mar, Sat. 85 168 724 83 270

NEW = Never before licensed or retest after long absence
EXPIRED = Past the two-year grace period
UPDATES = Renewals, address changes, adminstrative
changes, not 'upgrades' to another class
CALL CHG = Changed call sign of existing license
CLASS CHG = Changed class of license (mostly 'upgrades')

Numbers for 25 and 26 Feb idicate the weekend off for FCC;
Expirations would probably be automatic as a result of
computer check of pre-determined grace period end. The
Updates column may be a result of more automation from
renewals received and thus might be due to just computer
activity automatically changing the licensing dates.

Tuesday the 27th probably indicates the beginning of the
"deluge" of VEC input that arrived on the Monday before.
The sudden jump in Class Changes is no doubt from existing
"lower" class Techs or Tech Plusses moving up to General.
What is interesting is that there don't seem to be ANY
significant change of NEW licensees' daily numbers. Those
have overwhelmingly come from unlicensed entering the Tech
class and have been at a constant increase since Tech was
created in 1991. The totals of Technician class HAVE
started to drop since the 23rd of February and continue
to decrease slowly; it is very certain that class'
licensees have upgraded to General or Extra now that there
is no code test requirement.

Whatever, it seems clear at a week after 06-178 became
legal that there isn't much of any influx of newcomers.

In the last 12 monthswww.hamdata.comreportsthat 22,609
NEW licensees entered. In the same period, 29,096 licenses
EXPIRED. Licensee grand total dropped by 6,487 in that
past period. A good thing or bad one?



Eventually, they'll all be Extras and my wish for a one class amateur
radio service will be fulfilled. We should change the name of that
license to: Amateur.

While I agree that a significant percentage will go on to Extra, I also
think that there will be a noticeable percentage who will stay at General.
Unless you are into contesting or DXing, there is not a lot of advantage to
getting an Extra.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee, as a Technician (from Novice), I enjoyed DXing and Contesting on
10M SSB. Lots of fun.

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On Mar 4, 9:00 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 3, 11:30 pm, "
wrote:
SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE CODELESS "REVOLUTION"

Based solely onwww.hamdata.compublishedstatistics from
22 February to 3 March 2007, there doesn't seem to be the
kind of "revolution" nor the influx of CB hordes expected
by the long-timers. Specifically, the table below uses the
small block of daily statistics that appears to the left of
the license class totals. Since the data of the data
is derived from FCC database files, the numberic values
represent daily quantities from FCC actions the day befo

NEW EXPIRED UPDATES CALL CHG. CLASS CHG
=== ======= ======= ========= =========
22 Feb, Thu. 174 172 894 49 88
23 Feb, Fri. 78 83 432 5 44
24 Feb, Sat. 190 127 494 47 121
25 Feb, Sun. 1 95 195 20 13
26 Feb, Mon. 0 0 58 0 0
27 Feb, Tue. 144 2 700 13 347
28 Feb, Wed. 99 168 846 44 89
1 Mar, Thu. 138 203 783 13 369
2 Mar, Fri. 87 204 729 12 346
3 Mar, Sat. 85 168 724 83 270

NEW = Never before licensed or retest after long absence
EXPIRED = Past the two-year grace period
UPDATES = Renewals, address changes, adminstrative
changes, not 'upgrades' to another class
CALL CHG = Changed call sign of existing license
CLASS CHG = Changed class of license (mostly 'upgrades')

Numbers for 25 and 26 Feb idicate the weekend off for FCC;
Expirations would probably be automatic as a result of
computer check of pre-determined grace period end. The
Updates column may be a result of more automation from
renewals received and thus might be due to just computer
activity automatically changing the licensing dates.

Tuesday the 27th probably indicates the beginning of the
"deluge" of VEC input that arrived on the Monday before.
The sudden jump in Class Changes is no doubt from existing
"lower" class Techs or Tech Plusses moving up to General.
What is interesting is that there don't seem to be ANY
significant change of NEW licensees' daily numbers. Those
have overwhelmingly come from unlicensed entering the Tech
class and have been at a constant increase since Tech was
created in 1991. The totals of Technician class HAVE
started to drop since the 23rd of February and continue
to decrease slowly; it is very certain that class'
licensees have upgraded to General or Extra now that there
is no code test requirement.

Whatever, it seems clear at a week after 06-178 became
legal that there isn't much of any influx of newcomers.

In the last 12 monthswww.hamdata.comreportsthat 22,609
NEW licensees entered. In the same period, 29,096 licenses
EXPIRED. Licensee grand total dropped by 6,487 in that
past period. A good thing or bad one?



Eventually, they'll all be Extras and my wish for a one class amateur
radio service will be fulfilled. We should change the name of that
license to: Amateur.

While I agree that a significant percentage will go on to Extra, I also
think that there will be a noticeable percentage who will stay at
General.
Unless you are into contesting or DXing, there is not a lot of advantage
to
getting an Extra.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee, as a Technician (from Novice), I enjoyed DXing and Contesting on
10M SSB. Lots of fun.


Yup, 10 meters is a fun band. However as a Tech, you only get part of it.
While there can certainly be a lot of DX in the Tech portion, I've seen it
full from top to bottom with DX during a contest if the band is open. You
could have even more fun if you upgrade.

When the band has been really open, I've enjoyed working up at the top end
where FM is allowed.

However, my comment was addressing the avid, heavy duty DXer/contester. For
the casual operator, the General usually conveys a wide enough range of
spectrum.

Dee, N8UZE

On Mar 4, 10:09 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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On Mar 4, 9:00 am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
wrote in message
groups.com...
On Mar 3, 11:30 pm, "
wrote:
SOME OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE CODELESS "REVOLUTION"

Based solely onwww.hamdata.compublishedstatisticsfrom
22 February to 3 March 2007, there doesn't seem to be the
kind of "revolution" nor the influx of CB hordes expected
by the long-timers. Specifically, the table below uses the
small block of daily statistics that appears to the left of
the license class totals. Since the data of the data
is derived from FCC database files, the numberic values
represent daily quantities from FCC actions the day befo

NEW EXPIRED UPDATES CALL CHG. CLASS CHG
=== ======= ======= ========= =========
22 Feb, Thu. 174 172 894 49 88
23 Feb, Fri. 78 83 432 5 44
24 Feb, Sat. 190 127 494 47 121
25 Feb, Sun. 1 95 195 20 13
26 Feb, Mon. 0 0 58 0 0
27 Feb, Tue. 144 2 700 13 347
28 Feb, Wed. 99 168 846 44 89
1 Mar, Thu. 138 203 783 13 369
2 Mar, Fri. 87 204 729 12 346
3 Mar, Sat. 85 168 724 83 270

NEW = Never before licensed or retest after long absence
EXPIRED = Past the two-year grace period
UPDATES = Renewals, address changes, adminstrative
changes, not 'upgrades' to another class
CALL CHG = Changed call sign of existing license
CLASS CHG = Changed class of license (mostly 'upgrades')

Numbers for 25 and 26 Feb idicate the weekend off for FCC;
Expirations would probably be automatic as a result of
computer check of pre-determined grace period end. The
Updates column may be a result of more automation from
renewals received and thus might be due to just computer
activity automatically changing the licensing dates.

Tuesday the 27th probably indicates the beginning of the
"deluge" of VEC input that arrived on the Monday before.
The sudden jump in Class Changes is no doubt from existing
"lower" class Techs or Tech Plusses moving up to General.
What is interesting is that there don't seem to be ANY
significant change of NEW licensees' daily numbers. Those
have overwhelmingly come from unlicensed entering the Tech
class and have been at a constant increase since Tech was
created in 1991. The totals of Technician class HAVE
started to drop since the 23rd of February and continue
to decrease slowly; it is very certain that class'
licensees have upgraded to General or Extra now that there
is no code test requirement.

Whatever, it seems clear at a week after 06-178 became
legal that there isn't much of any influx of newcomers.

In the last 12 monthswww.hamdata.comreportsthat22,609
NEW licensees entered. In the same period, 29,096 licenses
EXPIRED. Licensee grand total dropped by 6,487 in that
past period. A good thing or bad one?



Eventually, they'll all be Extras and my wish for a one class amateur
radio service will be fulfilled. We should change the name of that
license to: Amateur.

While I agree that a significant percentage will go on to Extra, I also
think that there will be a noticeable percentage who will stay at
General.
Unless you are into contesting or DXing, there is not a lot of advantage
to
getting an Extra.

Dee, N8UZE

Dee, as a Technician (from Novice), I enjoyed DXing and Contesting on
10M SSB. Lots of fun.

Yup, 10 meters is a fun band. However as a Tech, you only get part of it.

However, as a Tech, I wasn't greedy.

While there can certainly be a lot of DX in the Tech portion, I've seen it
full from top to bottom with DX during a contest if the band is open. You
could have even more fun if you upgrade.

And so I did. Today I have all of 10 Meters.

When the band has been really open, I've enjoyed working up at the top end
where FM is allowed.

I've never bothered with FM on 10.

However, my comment was addressing the avid, heavy duty DXer/contester.

So if the amateur radio service was comprised of only 10 meteres,
there could be no avid, heavy duty DXing and Contesting?

I think there could be.

For
the casual operator, the General usually conveys a wide enough range of
spectrum.

Dee

All of amateur radio is fine for the casual operator.

On Mar 4, 6:00�am, "Dee Flint" wrote:
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Eventually, they'll all be Extras and my wish for a one class amateur
radio service will be fulfilled. *We should change the name of that
license to: *Amateur.

While I agree that a significant percentage will go on to Extra, I also
think that there will be a noticeable percentage who will stay at General.
Unless you are into contesting or DXing, there is not a lot of advantage to
getting an Extra.

Sorry, but I disagree totally with the "not a lot of advantage
to getting an Extra." Sum it up with the two words: CLASS
DISTINCTION...or perhaps just one word: STATUS.

"Status" in a hobby activity? Do you want the "Slow Code"
military obediance of "saluting Extras" by all "lesser"
classes? To have the "lesser" classes sit on the floor at
meetings to "put them in their place?" Sorry, but that is
NOT the way to any "happiness" and "good fellowship"
in a hobby activity done for personal pleasure.

The military is IN the business of DESTRUCTION at the
very real fact of part of the military being destroyed in
the process of doing "defense." There is NO real
counterpart in amateur radio, never was. So I would
strongly urge that ALL classes and "leadership"
refrain from putting newbies, tyros, novices, etc.
constantly "in their place" and just guiding or showing
them how it is done. Most just starting out in radio
are PEOPLE, even the teeners, and they will not like
being "put in their place" by some officious type who
have (essentially) elevated themselves to positions of
what they think are "important."

73, LA

On Mar 4, 12:25�pm, "
wrote:

* *The military is IN the business of DESTRUCTION at the
* *very real fact of part of the military being destroyed in
* *the process of doing "defense." *

Wrong again.

The Armed Forces is in the business of defending the United States
and implementing of US foreign policy, by force of arms if necessary.

Even the most casual of reader of military teechnology knows that
the current state of the art of that "business" is LIMITING that
"destruction" (read that "collateral damage") at every possible level.

Today's military can do far more tactically and strategically
with far less damage than their forebearers did in World War 2.

If you'd like, I can suggest a couple of sources of research for
you to follow-up on so you can get future posts more accurate-
sounding...

Or....You can just go on pounding us with tons of windy arguments
about how since the correspondents weren't really "there" when "it"
happened, we can't possibly know what's going on....

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

On Mar 6, 1:48 am, "K4YZ" wrote:
On Mar 4, 12:25?pm, "
wrote:

? ?The military is IN the business of DESTRUCTION at the
? ?very real fact of part of the military being destroyed in
? ?the process of doing "defense." ?

Wrong again.

The Armed Forces is in the business of defending the United States
and implementing of US foreign policy, by force of arms if necessary.

Even the most casual of reader of military teechnology knows that
the current state of the art of that "business" is LIMITING that
"destruction" (read that "collateral damage") at every possible level.

Today's military can do far more tactically and strategically
with far less damage than their forebearers did in World War 2.

If you'd like, I can suggest a couple of sources of research for
you to follow-up on so you can get future posts more accurate-
sounding...

Or....You can just go on pounding us with tons of windy arguments
about how since the correspondents weren't really "there" when "it"
happened, we can't possibly know what's going on....

Putz.

Steve, K4YZ

What would Robesin know of the armed forces? Perhaps he was reading a
1950's copy of "This is the Air Force..."

On Mar 4, 7:43�am, wrote:

Eventually, they'll all be Extras and my wish for a one class amateur
radio service will be fulfilled. *We should change the name of that
license to: *Amateur.

We already ranked you as an amateur a long time ago, Brain. On
soooooooooooo many levels.

Steve, K4YZ