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ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
David Stinson wrote:
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. I would be much more worried about the "hucksters" at arrl attempting to sell ya bricks at $75-$250 bucks. Guess their little "religious pamphlets" just aren't going like hotcakes! Guess their just ain't an appeal for the arrl amongst "atheist hams!" Maybe we should worry more about "arming" the arrl with a generous supply of bricks, what happens if they get PI$$ED and start hurling 'em? JS |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote:
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 22, 3:04�pm, wrote:
On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. *I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. *I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. No...it is supposed to be a "playground" according to N2EY. [see RRAM recent post] :-( Actually, it is just a small money-income-producing scheme by MY amateur radio organization (I joined) disguised as a "memorial." NOT a good choice in my opinion. I side with David Stinson: Make it a WALL, something that is upright, something one can be eye-to-eye with. NOT something to look down upon or to walk over. But, putting callsigns on the bricks? Some of those callsigns are (and have been) reassigned to later, living radio amateurs by the FCC. What then? As time progresses more of that will happen and all amateur radio license grantees do NOT "own their calls." Someone at the ARRL (perhaps a cardinal in the Church of St. Hiram?) got delusions of grandeur when trying to gen up some extra cash inflow. They should have thought SERIOUSLY about it beforehand. "LIke" the Vietnam Memorial in DC? Good Lord! Amateur radio is NOT MILITARY SERVICE and NO ham has to put their LIFE into defending the Constitution of the ARRL! :-( 73, Len ex-RA16408336 |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
"David Stinson" wrote in message ps.com... ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. There's no reason to get uptight about it as no one has to do this. Let those who want to do so. Those who don't like it are not compelled to participate. I wouldn't do it myself but I see no harm in others doing so. Dee, N8UZE |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. Many of us cherish the Memorial. You, apparently, do not. You have no friends' names engraved upon The Wall. I do. You don't know what a Combat Infantry Badge requires. I do. You've never parachuted from an aircraft. I have. You've never been to The Wall. I have. Please, leave the Vets' memorial out of your mindless meanderings. Screaming Eagles....AIRBORNE! Alpha Five One, 101st Airborne, Ft. Campbell, KY. |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
Follow-up to a letter I received:
----- Original Message ----- Subject: Diamond Terrace Thank you kindly for your reply. A brick terrace (not a walkway or side walk) of this type are used extensively by many universities and organizations for this purpose and it is popular with radio amateurs as well. If my understanding is correct, names will be on bricks which are to be walked upon. That many people participate in this latest fad in memorials does not make it a "good" practice. Millions of people smoke. That does not make smoking "good." I'm happy to report that, at least in some quarters, this practice is being rejected and the bricks are being used in creative, attractive fashions that do not include teenagers wiping filth off the bottom of their shoes on the name of your loved-one. Placing the name of someone we claim to respect under the unavoidably dirty heel of passing observers simply begs credulity; I am astonished that anyone finds this acceptable and, frankly, I think it has it's roots in worshiping the false "heroes" of Hollywood and their "Walk of Fame." I find it fitting in Hollywood's case, but not for my Elmer (or my father, or anyone else I respect). Basing something as meaningful as the memorial you propose in something as meaningless as Hollywood defiles the very idea of a memorial. You folks will, of course, do as you please. And I'm nobody. But I'm a nobody who's going to speak out against this terrible dirty-ing of people we claim to value. Respectfully, David Stinson AB5S |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
"David Stinson" wrote in
oups.com: Placing the name of someone we claim to respect under the unavoidably dirty heel of passing observers simply begs credulity; I am astonished that anyone finds this acceptable snip I was a little surprised that the donations of Diamond club members wwere used in this way. I briefly considered joining the Diamond club. In retrospect, I am glad I did not, as I don't find that a particularly good use of my money. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
"Call Sign Not Given" 101ABN@anon wrote in news:psnd6.lba.19.1
@news.alt.net: wrote in message Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. Many of us cherish the Memorial. You, apparently, do not. You have no friends' names engraved upon The Wall. I do. You don't know what a Combat Infantry Badge requires. I do. You've never parachuted from an aircraft. I have. You've never been to The Wall. I have. Please, leave the Vets' memorial out of your mindless meanderings. Screaming Eagles....AIRBORNE! Alpha Five One, 101st Airborne, Ft. Campbell, KY. I've been to the Wall. For all the controversy generated when it was designed, and built, it is perhaps the most fitting and dignified memorial out of all the memorials I've seen. Sobering. Nothing to stop you in your tracks like watching someone bawling their eyes out reading the names of their lost buds or making a tracing of the same. Keep it out of the stupid arguments in this group. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 22, 9:10 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 22, 3:04?pm, wrote: On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. ?I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. ?I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. No...it is supposed to be a "playground" according to N2EY. [see RRAM recent post] :-( I try not to read too much of him. It's bad ju-ju. Actually, it is just a small money-income-producing scheme by MY amateur radio organization (I joined) disguised as a "memorial." NOT a good choice in my opinion. I side with David Stinson: Make it a WALL, something that is upright, something one can be eye-to-eye with. NOT something to look down upon or to walk over. But, putting callsigns on the bricks? Some of those callsigns are (and have been) reassigned to later, living radio amateurs by the FCC. What then? As time progresses more of that will happen and all amateur radio license grantees do NOT "own their calls." Mike Deignan will attest to that. Someone at the ARRL (perhaps a cardinal in the Church of St. Hiram?) got delusions of grandeur when trying to gen up some extra cash inflow. They should have thought SERIOUSLY about it beforehand. I realize that every organizations needs cash-flow to operate, but maybe callsign police badges would be a better way to go. What's going to happen when the ARRL decides to remodel and the bricks end up at the landfill? "LIke" the Vietnam Memorial in DC? Good Lord! "Like" as in -rejected- by many who served. But it's all they've got, so now some embrace it. Amateur radio is NOT MILITARY SERVICE and NO ham has to put their LIFE into defending the Constitution of the ARRL! :-( 73, Len ex-RA16408336 Jim served in other ways... No? |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 23, 5:07 am, "Call Sign Not Given" 101ABN@anon wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. Many of us cherish the Memorial. You, apparently, do not. You have no friends' names engraved upon The Wall. I do. You don't know what a Combat Infantry Badge requires. I do. You've never parachuted from an aircraft. I have. You've never been to The Wall. I have. Please, leave the Vets' memorial out of your mindless meanderings. Screaming Eagles....AIRBORNE! Alpha Five One, 101st Airborne, Ft. Campbell, KY. Thank you for your service. |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 24, 12:40 pm, wrote:
On 24 Mar 2007 08:35:26 -0700, wrote: On Mar 22, 9:10 pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 22, 3:04?pm, wrote: On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. ?I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. ?I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. No...it is supposed to be a "playground" according to N2EY. [see RRAM recent post] :-( I try not to read too much of him. It's bad ju-ju. Actually, it is just a small money-income-producing scheme by MY amateur radio organization (I joined) disguised as a "memorial." NOT a good choice in my opinion. I side with David Stinson: Make it a WALL, something that is upright, something one can be eye-to-eye with. NOT something to look down upon or to walk over. But, putting callsigns on the bricks? Some of those callsigns are (and have been) reassigned to later, living radio amateurs by the FCC. What then? As time progresses more of that will happen and all amateur radio license grantees do NOT "own their calls." Mike Deignan will attest to that. nah he could attest to this he will not His actions and Riley's are a matter of public record, so we don't need Mike to attest. Someone at the ARRL (perhaps a cardinal in the Church of St. Hiram?) got delusions of grandeur when trying to gen up some extra cash inflow. They should have thought SERIOUSLY about it beforehand. I realize that every organizations needs cash-flow to operate, but maybe callsign police badges would be a better way to go. What's going to happen when the ARRL decides to remodel and the bricks end up at the landfill? or end up being nothing but silent keys Future hams and ham families will flock to Newington, placing scraps of paper over the brick and etching the callsign for posterity. "LIke" the Vietnam Memorial in DC? Good Lord! "Like" as in -rejected- by many who served. But it's all they've got, so now some embrace it. Amateur radio is NOT MILITARY SERVICE and NO ham has to put their LIFE into defending the Constitution of the ARRL! :-( 73, Len ex-RA16408336 Jim served in other ways... No? and sneers at those that served Operating a ham radio in the ARC basement is the moral equivalent of military service. |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 24, 7:50�am, wrote:
On Mar 24, 12:40 pm, wrote: On 24 Mar 2007 08:35:26 -0700, wrote: On Mar 22, 9:10 pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 22, 3:04?pm, wrote: On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. ?I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. ?I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. * *No...it is supposed to be a "playground" according to N2EY. *[see * *RRAM recent post] * :-( I try not to read too much of him. *It's bad ju-ju. * *Actually, it is just a small money-income-producing scheme by * *MY amateur radio organization (I joined) disguised as a "memorial." * *NOT a good choice in my opinion. * *I side with David Stinson: *Make it a WALL, something that is * *upright, something one can be eye-to-eye with. *NOT something * *to look down upon or to walk over. * *But, putting callsigns on the bricks? *Some of those callsigns are * *(and have been) reassigned to later, living radio amateurs by the * *FCC. *What then? *As time progresses more of that will happen * *and all amateur radio license grantees do NOT "own their calls." Mike Deignan will attest to that. nah he could attest to this he will not His actions and Riley's are a matter of public record, so we don't need Mike to attest. * *Someone at the ARRL (perhaps a cardinal in the Church of * *St. Hiram?) got delusions of grandeur when trying to gen up * *some extra cash inflow. *They should have thought SERIOUSLY * *about it beforehand. I realize that every organizations needs cash-flow to operate, but maybe callsign police badges would be a better way to go. What's going to happen when the ARRL decides to remodel and the bricks end up at the landfill? or end up being nothing but silent keys Future hams and ham families will flock to Newington, placing scraps of paper over the brick and etching the callsign for posterity. * *"LIke" the Vietnam Memorial in DC? *Good Lord! * "Like" as in -rejected- by many who served. *But it's all they've got, so now some embrace it. * *Amateur radio * *is NOT MILITARY SERVICE and NO ham has to put their LIFE * *into defending the Constitution of the ARRL! *:-( * *73, Len * ex-RA16408336 Jim served in other ways... *No? and sneers at those that served Operating a ham radio in the ARC basement is the moral equivalent of military service. They call it "serving in other ways..." :-( Let them go up to Newington's Barracks and stand guard around the Diamond Terrace and protect it with their LIVES if they want to "serve." They only thing they "serve" is their own imaginations. Amateur radio is supposed to be about enjoying an interesting, technical avocation. In here it is mostly a group of middle-school mentality male misfits carping at all the others who won't agree with them. The "Diamond Terrace" project is something the ARRL thought up...apparently to enshrine its own home grounds. I have nothing against such a project but I object to what I think is a mis-use of "my club" funds in order to boost their home grounds appearance and "memory." [I am a member of the ARRL] Making up some nebulous "reason" for enshrining some names, possibly callsigns, in a "memory walk" area is a rather transparent effort to bring in more funds for the home ground's budget. It only reinforces a false delusion of "greatness" of past amateur radio hobbyists which will lead other, newer amateurs into a false idea of their hobby. The "Diamond Terrance" project isn't even close to the Vietnam War Memorial. Those whose names are on that memorial gave their LIVES in the service of their country. Amateur radio is a hobby pursuit, NOT a "service to the country" nor even close to it. Those of us who HAVE served our country in the military know the true feeling of such service. Those who have not so served will never know it nor understand it. They cannot ever understand it. 73, Len AF6AY ex-RA16408336 |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 23, 12:07�am, "Call Sign Not Given" 101ABN@anon wrote:
wrote in message ups.com... On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. *I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. *I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. Many of us cherish the Memorial. You, apparently, do not. Knock it off Rambo-wannabe. You have no friends' names engraved upon The Wall. I do. Not a requirement of the US amateur radio community. You don't know what a Combat Infantry Badge requires. I do. So, where did you EARN one? In your dreams? You've never parachuted from an aircraft. I have. BFD. I did that once. You've never been to The Wall. I have. When I was last in DC it was decades ago. "The Wall" wasn't even a concept, let alone a war in southeast Asia. There WAS a real, shooting war in northeast Asia then. Were YOU there? In Korea? Please, leave the Vets' memorial out of your mindless meanderings. Please give some sign that you are ACTUALLY into some form of amateur radio...not just some idle dreamer who has watched the Military Channel on cable TV too much. Screaming Eagles....AIRBORNE! Go scream somewhere else, REMF. Alpha Five One, 101st Airborne, Ft. Campbell, KY.- Hide quoted text - - Hide "Alpha Five One" identity - Go jump out of an aircraft without a parachute. I've done that several times...have you? Len Anderson AF6AY ex-RA16408336, SSgt USA |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 25, 2:26 pm, "AF6AY" wrote:
On Mar 24, 7:50?am, wrote: On Mar 24, 12:40 pm, wrote: On 24 Mar 2007 08:35:26 -0700, wrote: On Mar 22, 9:10 pm, "AF6AY" wrote: On Mar 22, 3:04?pm, wrote: On Mar 22, 11:05 am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. ?I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. ?I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. 73 David S. Could be like a Vietnam Vets memorial - in black and below ground level. ? ?No...it is supposed to be a "playground" according to N2EY. ?[see ? ?RRAM recent post] ? :-( I try not to read too much of him. ?It's bad ju-ju. ? ?Actually, it is just a small money-income-producing scheme by ? ?MY amateur radio organization (I joined) disguised as a "memorial." ? ?NOT a good choice in my opinion. ? ?I side with David Stinson: ?Make it a WALL, something that is ? ?upright, something one can be eye-to-eye with. ?NOT something ? ?to look down upon or to walk over. ? ?But, putting callsigns on the bricks? ?Some of those callsigns are ? ?(and have been) reassigned to later, living radio amateurs by the ? ?FCC. ?What then? ?As time progresses more of that will happen ? ?and all amateur radio license grantees do NOT "own their calls." Mike Deignan will attest to that. nah he could attest to this he will not His actions and Riley's are a matter of public record, so we don't need Mike to attest. ? ?Someone at the ARRL (perhaps a cardinal in the Church of ? ?St. Hiram?) got delusions of grandeur when trying to gen up ? ?some extra cash inflow. ?They should have thought SERIOUSLY ? ?about it beforehand. I realize that every organizations needs cash-flow to operate, but maybe callsign police badges would be a better way to go. What's going to happen when the ARRL decides to remodel and the bricks end up at the landfill? or end up being nothing but silent keys Future hams and ham families will flock to Newington, placing scraps of paper over the brick and etching the callsign for posterity. ? ?"LIke" the Vietnam Memorial in DC? ?Good Lord! ? "Like" as in -rejected- by many who served. ?But it's all they've got, so now some embrace it. ? ?Amateur radio ? ?is NOT MILITARY SERVICE and NO ham has to put their LIFE ? ?into defending the Constitution of the ARRL! ?:-( ? ?73, Len ? ex-RA16408336 Jim served in other ways... ?No? and sneers at those that served Operating a ham radio in the ARC basement is the moral equivalent of military service. They call it "serving in other ways..." :-( No pass unless a physical disability was involved. If they had better things to do or just didn't want to, then too bad. Let them go up to Newington's Barracks and stand guard around the Diamond Terrace and protect it with their LIVES if they want to "serve." Ten-hut! They only thing they "serve" is their own imaginations. I'm with the ARRL Vice Director that said we shouldn't believe own own BS. Amateur radio is supposed to be about enjoying an interesting, technical avocation. In here it is mostly a group of middle-school mentality male misfits carping at all the others who won't agree with them. It can be about emergency communications. For example, I have a fire extinguisher in my kitchen but that doesn't mean that I'm the fire department. The "Diamond Terrace" project is something the ARRL thought up...apparently to enshrine its own home grounds. I have nothing against such a project but I object to what I think is a mis-use of "my club" funds in order to boost their home grounds appearance and "memory." [I am a member of the ARRL] Perhaps actual ARRL members should have a complimentary brick, and not through our windows. Making up some nebulous "reason" for enshrining some names, possibly callsigns, in a "memory walk" area is a rather transparent effort to bring in more funds for the home ground's budget. It only reinforces a false delusion of "greatness" of past amateur radio hobbyists which will lead other, newer amateurs into a false idea of their hobby. The only "memorial" I need are the QSL cards that are in the shacks of all the hams I've sent my card to. The "Diamond Terrance" project isn't even close to the Vietnam War Memorial. Those whose names are on that memorial gave their LIVES in the service of their country. Amateur radio is a hobby pursuit, NOT a "service to the country" nor even close to it. You can't completely ignore the emergency communications aspect of the hobby. Those of us who HAVE served our country in the military know the true feeling of such service. Those who have not so served will never know it nor understand it. They cannot ever understand it. 73, Len AF6AY ex-RA16408336- But they talk about it as if they might. |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
"AF6AY" ) writes:
The "Diamond Terrace" project is something the ARRL thought up...apparently to enshrine its own home grounds. I have nothing against such a project but I object to what I think is a mis-use of "my club" funds in order to boost their home grounds appearance and "memory." [I am a member of the ARRL] Making up some nebulous "reason" for enshrining some names, possibly callsigns, in a "memory walk" area is a rather transparent effort to bring in more funds for the home ground's budget. It only reinforces a false delusion of "greatness" of past amateur radio hobbyists which will lead other, newer amateurs into a false idea of their hobby. How can it be a misuse in the first paragraph when in the second you see it as a means of fundraising? It obviously is a means of fundraising. Lots of organizations will put up a plaque or name a building after you if you donate enough money. Other organizations will let you "buy" a chair or something, and put a plaque on it. Any organization generally has a fixed income, and a fixed budget. If they want to do something extraordinary, they need to do this sort of fundraising campaign, so they can raise money without raising fees or whatever their usual source of income. What people are forgetting is that this isn't even new for the ARRL. IN the early sixties, when they wanted a new HQ building, they had a long fundraising campaign. There was a regular "thermometer" type display in many or all issues, showing how close to the goal the fundraising was going. I thought they might have sold "bricks" but the first issue I find that has a report says nothing about that, though a certificate was issued to each donor. It got the HQ building built, but didn't take away from existing work, or raise membership fees. The people who paid for the new building were happy to do so, because they were doing it on a voluntary basis. This is basically an extension of that fundraiser. The idea being taht if there is something permanent, people are more likely to donate money. If they get something tangible, they don't even have to be concerned with what the money is used for, which means "outsiders" can even be tempted to donate. (Maybe not in this case, but when that theatre group here has their annual raffle, the lure of the prizes should mean a broadened base of ticket buyers.) Michael VE2BVW |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 25, 6:57�pm, (Michael Black) wrote:
"AF6AY" ) writes: * *The "Diamond Terrace" project is something the ARRL * *thought up...apparently to enshrine its own home grounds. * *I have nothing against such a project but I object to what * *I think is a mis-use of "my club" funds in order to boost * *their home grounds appearance and "memory." *[I am a * *member of the ARRL] * *Making up some nebulous "reason" for enshrining some * *names, possibly callsigns, in a "memory walk" area is a * *rather transparent effort to bring in more funds for the home * *ground's budget. *It only reinforces a false delusion of * *"greatness" of past amateur radio hobbyists which will lead * *other, newer amateurs into a false idea of their hobby. How can it be a misuse in the first paragraph when in the second you see it as a means of fundraising? The ARRL is using its PRESENT facilities to publicize this "Diamond Terrace." I would personally prefer they do something else with "donations" rather than beautify their grounds with memorials that are 3K miles from me. It obviously is a means of fundraising. *Lots of organizations will put up a plaque or name a building after you if you donate enough money. *Other organizations will let you "buy" a chair or something, and put a plaque on it. I'm well aware of those things. Any organization generally has a fixed income, and a fixed budget. *If they want to do something extraordinary, they need to do this sort of fundraising campaign, so they can raise money without raising fees or whatever their usual source of income. Let's cut to the chase here. The ARRL is *also* a publishing business. That is the major non-secret to their coming to the top of the membership organizations of amateur radio before WW2...and staying there well after WW2 ended. What people are forgetting is that this isn't even new for the ARRL. IN the early sixties, when they wanted a new HQ building, they had a long fundraising campaign. *There was a regular "thermometer" type display in many or all issues, showing how close to the goal the fundraising was going. I thought they might have sold "bricks" but the first issue I find that has a report says nothing about that, though a certificate was issued to each donor. *It got the HQ building built, but didn't take away from existing work, or raise membership fees. *The people who paid for the new building were happy to do so, because they were doing it on a voluntary basis. Well, that's very nice. Yes, they need facilities to keep their publishing business going so that it can be the major source of income that pays the staff (who work in the buildings), pays the utilities, pays the billing of the DC legal staff, pays the lobbying organization in DC. Etc. I've also seen their federal income tax returns which report a taxable multi-million dollar annual profit. This is basically an extension of that fundraiser. *The idea being taht if there is something permanent, people are more likely to donate money. *If they get something tangible, they don't even have to be concerned with what the money is used for, which means "outsiders" can even be tempted to donate. *(Maybe not in this case, but when that theatre group here has their annual raffle, the lure of the prizes should mean a broadened base of ticket buyers.) I am more than familiar with theater groups, even if they spell it "theatre." :-) Lots of them in the Los Angeles area. This is the entertainment center of the world (and big business, regardless of what NYC thinks). I'm not going to wage war over this Diamond Terrace project. I just object to it in its present form, okay? I say again, I don't care for THIS particular "memorial" thing and it means nothing to me for spiffying-up some building entrance that is 3K miles from me in cold New England territory. What would Hawaiian or Alaskan amateurs think of such "memorials" considering they are even further away? Bottom line: The ARRL is *not* some local club that depends near-total on member contributions. But, the way I see it, the League sometimes tries sales pitches to make distant members THINK they "need to contribute." 73, Len AF6AY |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
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ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 22, 9:05�am, "David Stinson" wrote:
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. * It's a pretty common way to raise money. The person doesn't usually have to be dead to get their name on a paver, though. Some years back the local historic society wanted to renovate the local (Wayne PA) train station. They did the pavers thing and raised enough to do a really nice job. There's a walkway at the nearby Agnes Irwin School with the names of alumnae on some of the pavers. They contributed to a major renovation/expansion. Some of the names are famous, others virtually unknown. I am not about to memorialize anyone about whom I care or whom I respect by placing their name on the ground where thoughtless people wipe dog-poop off their shoes and spit their gum. I've never seen anyone do that at the places I mentioned. *I don't know who first thought of this fad (and Lord, I hope it's a "passing fad"), but it's a bad idea and I would never, ever do it. Then don't! Nobody is saying you have to or even should. It's just a fund-raising scheme. Didn't originate with ARRL and won't end there. These fund-raising schemes are done rather than raising dues and/or advertising rates. Some of them permit contributors to target where the money is spent rather than just pouring it into the common pot. I wish taxes worked that way! Build a wall with the bricks, or anything else other than a "walk on you daddy" place. What would be really cool IMHO would be to have one's name/call on an actual working brick in the W1AW station building! .. But I don't see what all the fuss is about in this thread. If someone wants to buy a paver, fine, it's their money spent on a good cause. If not, there's no requirement to participate. Lots of other worthwhile ARRL things to contribute to. 73 de Jim, N2EY |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 28, 8:03 am, wrote:
On Mar 22, 9:05?am, "David Stinson" wrote: ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial I do NOT understand this "fad" of placing bricks on the GROUND to memorialize someone. ? It's a pretty common way to raise money. The person doesn't usually have to be dead to get their name on a paver, though. this makes it proper and good idea ? why do you seem to want to make another of your Jihads over some folks expressing they don't like something I have not read (I may have missed it) say it is ilegal accuse the ARRL of wrong doing, etc it justs seem well "tacky" to some of us and we said so and frankly since you want to this thread going dehumanizing it is callsigns that are being put not names I am Mark Morgan, not KB9RQZ, indeed I have never esp liked the presumtion on this NG that is was proper to refer to me by mark or markie or frankly anything but MR Morgan without my leave but till your penadantic insistance, I ahve been reasonable content to bear it (perhaps the facts I am a caregiver to the Elder Mr Morgan a title he gets to enjoy automaticaly and I have fight for if I want it has something to do with it) |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
AF6AY wrote:
On Mar 25, 6:57�pm, (Michael Black) wrote: "AF6AY" ) writes: � �The "Diamond Terrace" project is something the ARRL � �thought up...apparently to enshrine its own home grounds. � �I have nothing against such a project but I object to what � �I think is a mis-use of "my club" funds in order to boost � �their home grounds appearance and "memory." �[I am a � �member of the ARRL] � �Making up some nebulous "reason" for enshrining some � �names, possibly callsigns, in a "memory walk" area is a � �rather transparent effort to bring in more funds for the home � �ground's budget. �It only reinforces a false delusion of � �"greatness" of past amateur radio hobbyists which will lead � �other, newer amateurs into a false idea of their hobby. How can it be a misuse in the first paragraph when in the second you see it as a means of fundraising? The ARRL is using its PRESENT facilities to publicize this "Diamond Terrace." I would personally prefer they do something else with "donations" rather than beautify their grounds with memorials that are 3K miles from me. So don't pay for a brick. Any organization generally has a fixed income, and a fixed budget. �If they want to do something extraordinary, they need to do this sort of fundraising campaign, so they can raise money without raising fees or whatever their usual source of income. Let's cut to the chase here. The ARRL is *also* a publishing business. That's a startling revelation, Leonard. Should the League rev up the presses when it needs money for additional projects? This is basically an extension of that fundraiser. �The idea being taht if there is something permanent, people are more likely to donate money. �If they get something tangible, they don't even have to be concerned with what the money is used for, which means "outsiders" can even be tempted to donate. �(Maybe not in this case, but when that theatre group here has their annual raffle, the lure of the prizes should mean a broadened base of ticket buyers.) I am more than familiar with theater groups, even if they spell it "theatre." :-) Lots of them in the Los Angeles area. This is the entertainment center of the world (and big business, regardless of what NYC thinks). Is it your opinion that NYC doesn't think that Hollywood makes movies? I'm not going to wage war over this Diamond Terrace project. I just object to it in its present form, okay? Then don't buy a brick. I say again, I don't care for THIS particular "memorial" thing and it means nothing to me for spiffying-up some building entrance that is 3K miles from me in cold New England territory. So your view is that you'd cough up if it was closer to Los Angeles? What would Hawaiian or Alaskan amateurs think of such "memorials" considering they are even further away? They'd probably think that they'd bought a brick to be placed at the Headquarters of the largest amateur radio fraternal organization in the world. Bottom line: The ARRL is *not* some local club that depends near-total on member contributions. Would you be more inclined to buy a brick to be placed at some local club in New England? But, the way I see it, the League sometimes tries sales pitches to make distant members THINK they "need to contribute." You don't have to buy a brick, Len. Dave K8MN |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Mar 29 2007 2:53 am
So don't pay for a brick. That's a startling revelation, Leonard. Should the League rev up the presses when it needs money for additional projects? Is it your opinion that NYC doesn't think that Hollywood makes movies? Then don't buy a brick. So your view is that you'd cough up if it was closer to Los Angeles? They'd probably think that they'd bought a brick to be placed at the Headquarters of the largest amateur radio fraternal organization in the world. Would you be more inclined to buy a brick to be placed at some local club in New England? You don't have to buy a brick, Len. David, you **** a brick every time I post something... :-) I'd advise you try to find a proctologist who is up on psychology to ease your obvious pain. 73, Len AF6AY |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
AF6AY wrote:
From: Dave Heil on Thurs, Mar 29 2007 2:53 am So don't pay for a brick. That's a startling revelation, Leonard. Should the League rev up the presses when it needs money for additional projects? Is it your opinion that NYC doesn't think that Hollywood makes movies? Then don't buy a brick. So your view is that you'd cough up if it was closer to Los Angeles? They'd probably think that they'd bought a brick to be placed at the Headquarters of the largest amateur radio fraternal organization in the world. Would you be more inclined to buy a brick to be placed at some local club in New England? You don't have to buy a brick, Len. David, you **** a brick every time I post something... :-) If I could do so, Leonard, the League wouldn't have to advertise that it wants people to buy bricks. They'd have all they want--with your new call on 'em. Remember, Len, don't buy a brick if the Diamond Terrace bothers you. Dave K8MN |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
A couple of years ago I put a brick in the urinal at a certain
well attended hamfest. On it I had painted the words "**** on me if you think the arrl sucks". By the end of the day the paint had been worn off from all the ****ers voting their opinion with their ur-ine (grin) |
ARRL's "Diamond Terrace" Memorial
On Mar 22, 10:44 am, John Smith I wrote:
David Stinson wrote: Guess their little "religious pamphlets" just aren't going like hotcakes! Guess their just ain't an appeal for the arrl amongst "atheist hams!" You mean that fishwrap of a magazine they publish? The one that's 85% advertising and uses printers ink that's so damm cheap it rubbs off on your thumb and makes it black? I hope the magazine goes belly-up in a few years and when arrl hq closes once and for all, some Indian named Patel buys up the property, knocks down all the buildings and antennas and builds a mega Dunkin-Doughnuts on the site. |
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