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Hi Folks:
This is relative to a business band actually, but I can't find an
apropriate group. Anyway,;
This isn't a repeater, but a remote half-duplex radio that uses only
one frequency. Narrow FM.
CW ID's. We're going encoded audio for security reasons and was
wondering what the latest policy is for CW ID's. One said every 10
minutes while in communication, and once an hour when not. Then it
seems the FCC is reconsidering CWIDs all together. So, does this mean
non-coded voice ID? I was going to program a PIC or basic stamp to
send ID. Or is this required at all anymore?
Thanks!
Harry

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HarryHydro wrote:

... I was going to program a PIC or basic stamp to
send ID. Or is this required at all anymore?
Thanks!
Harry


I like your idea of programming the PIC.

While you are at it, get a solid state relay or reed switch and a driver
transistor to drive the relay/reed, then, program the PIC to key the
xmitter with the relay/reed and for a few measly bucks you are off and
running.

Regards,
JS

fcc rules cw id automatic
 

On Apr 27, 9:58 am, John Smith I wrote:
HarryHydro wrote:
... I was going to program a PIC or basic stamp to
send ID. Or is this required at all anymore?
Thanks!
Harry

I like your idea of programming the PIC.

While you are at it, get a solid state relay or reed switch and a driver
transistor to drive the relay/reed, then, program the PIC to key the
xmitter with the relay/reed and for a few measly bucks you are off and
running.

Regards,
JS

Here's a pic of my PIC12C509 that I use on the LOWFER frequencies. I
was initially wanting to put this on a model rocket! Fox hunt kind of
thing. It sends code on something like 185kc. Clock frequency is
something like 8kc. Pretty easy to program. I'd like to play with
the timers for a CW id that needs to wait 60 minutes. .
http://www.harryhydro.com/hlstuff/lowfr.jpg
Thanks for the reply!
Harry

fcc rules cw id automatic
 

HarryHydro wrote:

...
Here's a pic of my PIC12C509 that I use on the LOWFER frequencies. I
was initially wanting to put this on a model rocket! Fox hunt kind of
thing. It sends code on something like 185kc. Clock frequency is
something like 8kc. Pretty easy to program. I'd like to play with
the timers for a CW id that needs to wait 60 minutes. .
http://www.harryhydro.com/hlstuff/lowfr.jpg
Thanks for the reply!
Harry

Harry:

I'd be interested in a look at the schematic, you have it handy?

Thanks in advance,
JS

fcc rules cw id automatic
 

On Apr 27, 5:20�am, HarryHydro wrote:
Hi Folks:
* *This is relative to a business band actually, but I can't find an
apropriate group. Anyway,;
This isn't a repeater, but a remote half-duplex radio that uses only
one frequency. Narrow FM.
CW ID's. *We're going encoded audio for security reasons and was
wondering what the latest policy is for CW ID's. *One said every 10
minutes while in communication, and once an hour when not. Then it
seems the FCC is reconsidering CWIDs all together. So, does this mean
non-coded voice ID? *I was going to program a PIC or basic stamp to
send ID. *Or is this required at all anymore?
Thanks!
Harry

The FCC doesn't just regulate amateur radio. "Business bands"
regulations are covered in another Part of Title 47 CFR. You can look
those up at www.fcc.gov and click on the Regulations link at the left
edge of the home page.

If you are going to use amateur radio bands then you have only a few
choices, but ALL of them must be under the control of the Control
Operator (the licensee). You can have one-way automatic transmission
using a Beacon mode (minimal information, intended solely for others
to observe propagation effects to their location). You can have
automatic operation as with Repeaters where an incoming transmission
is sent out on another frequency. You can have "telecommand" (better
known as remote control) at low power but only under specific
conditions: either remote control of devices such as model vehicles;
or as the control of a transmitter on the amateur bands. What you
seem to want (a security service of some sort) just isn't covered
under U.S. amateur radio regulations. That isn't what amateur radio
is for, nor is it regulated to be just anything anyone can dream up in
front of a computer screen.

Hard-nosed reply? You betcha. Think my reply was hard? Wait until
some federal marshalls and an FCC officer knock on your door...

AF6AY

More like rude, obnoxious, and non-responsive to the question.

The OP was specifically asking for the RULES AS THEY APPLY TO BUSINESS BAND and making an honest effort to find out how to comply with the rules.

Yes, this is an amateur radio newsgroup, and perhaps the query is mildly off topic, but so are your long boring solliliquies about your 50 years or so as a bench technician.

The Man in the Maze
QRL at Baboquivari Peak, AZ

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AF6AY wrote:

...
Hard-nosed reply? You betcha. Think my reply was hard? Wait until
some federal marshalls and an FCC officer knock on your door...

AF6AY


Oh yeah, I forgot the disclaimer.

"I am only commenting on the technical details. For advice and
counseling on the law you should seek the advice of a competent attorney
(or a crooked one--whatever works for 'ya! grin)

Regards,
JS

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On Apr 27, 1:11�pm, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

* ...

Hard-nosed reply? *You betcha. *Think my reply was hard? *Wait until
some federal marshalls and an FCC officer knock on your door...

AF6AY

Oh yeah, I forgot the disclaimer.

"I am only commenting on the technical details. *For advice and
counseling on the law you should seek the advice of a competent attorney
(or a crooked one--whatever works for 'ya! grin)

"Disclaimers" don't work with FCC Special Counsel Riley
Hollingsworth. If you don't get biten by the K2 ASP I will be
looking forward to reading about JS on the FCC Enforcement
Actions page...

73, Len AF6AY

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AF6AY wrote:

...
... That isn't what amateur radio
is for, nor is it regulated to be just anything anyone can dream up in
front of a computer screen.
...

Len:

The "Man in the maze" did come up with a point, although I think his
focus was in a different direction ...

Yanno, that text of yours, above, is too bad, I guess what I seen as the
only redeeming aspect of amateur radio has died.

I always valued the "experimenter amateur" who could and did (in the
very early days, and finally tapering down to nothing) affect the course
of radio.

I guess now we just sit and wait around for the gov't to come up with
something innovative (in which case that is NEVER!) or some private
concern who will come up with it to make $$$ (or, cha-ching!)

Bummer, when you think about it, that is at the root of what has killed
American/Christian values, the family, motherhood, brotherhood and the
colors of green and grey :(

Regards,
JS

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On Apr 27, 12:16�pm, Iitoi wrote:
AF6AY;567445 Wrote:

Hard-nosed reply? *You betcha. *Think my reply was hard? *Wait until
some federal marshalls and an FCC officer knock on your door...

AF6AY

More like rude, obnoxious, and non-responsive to the question.

The OP was specifically asking for the RULES AS THEY APPLY TO BUSINESS
BAND *and making an honest effort to find out how to comply with the
rules.

Yes, this is an amateur radio newsgroup, and perhaps the query is
mildly off topic, but so are your long boring solliliquies about your
50 years or so as a bench technician.

Now now, Skeleton Man, let's not make rude, obnoxious, and non-
responsive comments. :-)

The prime site for questions on BUSINESS BAND radio operation is
www.fcc.gov and their Wireless Telecommunications Bureau. They
can and do answer questions specifically on PLMRS (Private Land
Mobile Radio Service). Whole different kettle of worms.

It's better than being some kind of Amerind "Legend" come to life.

73, Len AF6AY

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On Apr 27, 7:10�pm, John Smith I wrote:
AF6AY wrote:

* ...
* ... That isn't what amateur radio

is for, nor is it regulated to be just anything anyone can dream up in
front of a computer screen.
...

Len:

The "Man in the maze" did come up with a point, although I think his
focus was in a different direction ...

Iitoi just wants to be an old legend in his mind. :-)

Yanno, that text of yours, above, is too bad, I guess what I seen as the
only redeeming aspect of amateur radio has died.

I always valued the "experimenter amateur" who could and did (in the
very early days, and finally tapering down to nothing) affect the course
of radio.

JS, the experimenter amateurs are Out There and you don't need a
Sculley from the FBI to find them. :-)

Trouble is, the experimenters are busy experimenting while all the
olde-tymers are sitting around gassing about how they got Extra
class at 14, made hundreds of kilos of contacts, can do CW at
fantastic rates, and have expensive equipment to drool over. And
if they aren't, then they are busy knocking anyone who dares
Challenge Their Authority! [They Rule!] :-)

The first experimenter who made a single PIC frequency counter
for HF was a Brit and not licensed as a radio amateur! Takes a
while to do the trace on that, but it be true. Ever USE a Vector
Network Analyzer (VNA)? I have. Expensive beasts. Yet several
amateur experimenters have made their own and published plans
or have kits available for it...at down-to-earth prices, even if not
for the $2 some cheap hams insist they must be. Some VNAs are
incorporated in auto antenna tuners and antenna analyzers.

Ever really look inside one of the "radio modems" that can handle
data in most any format? Stand-alone goodies needing only a
display and keyboard ('dumb terminal") to do I/O on the air.
My IC-746Pro does 5-level RTTY decoding to a little 2-line
text display on its front panel (as well as tossing the digitized
signals out to peripheral equipment). Doesn't do 8-level at
100 WPM but I won't ask for the world in it. Everything in that
transceiver centers around its microprocessor suite.

I guess now we just sit and wait around for the gov't to come up with
something innovative (in which case that is NEVER!) or some private
concern who will come up with it to make $$$ (or, cha-ching!)

G3PLX came up with PSK31. There's two digital voice adapaters
available for 3 KHz voice-bandwidth use, from Japan and Germany
as to the experimenters' origin.

If you want to stick around and experiment with using PC soundcards
as some prime mover for experimentation, feel free. Dozens have
already done that for a variety of purposes. You think ALL
experimenters
are altruistic and are doing it solely for "love" or something?
Sorry.
No deal. Unless they have Donald Trump bank accounts to live from.

There have been some RF gadgets that automatically respond
to interrogations for at least 30 years, not counting the transponders
used in Civil Aviation and military. Those aren't amateur.

You want to be an experimenter? Go ahead. If you got a plan,
do it, don't look for "appreciation" ahead of time just on an IDEA.
Problem is, too many just jabber about ideas which haven't been
anywhere close to fully formed or analyzed, even on paper. :-(

JS, "new ideas" are seldom, if ever, realized in jabbering in
newsgroups or blogs. That's just the usual dreaming. A new
idea (on equipment) had better be breadboarded and analyzed,
tested FIRST. "Appreciation" and "congratulations" have to
wait until the experimenter sweats a bit on his/her gizmo.

How about coming up with this fantastic all-speed, fully-
adapatable morse decoder that can work down to the noise
floor? I've seen one that comes close to that, done in nothing
more than software. Better than what is/was on the market.
Done by just a software experimenter. Not even a licensee in
radio. Just the ticket for software honchos.

73, Len AF6AY

PS: You forgot "apple pie" in your last political paragraph.

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On Apr 27, 10:02 pm, " kb9rqz@kookhouse wrote:

why do you comit fraud?