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An alternative Primer --- challenging rec.radio.amateur.moderated
On May 27, 11:12 pm, KØHB wrote:
On May 28, 3:03 am, N9OGL wrote: That's the truth, here's what this dishonorable ISP (CTITECH) has in their TOS 2. You may not post or transmit any message which is libelous defamatory or which discloses private or personal matters concerning any person. You may not post or transmit any message, data, image or program which is indecent, obscene or pornographic. Todd, Do you think an ISP should allow the posting of child pornography on its facility? Do you think an ISP should allow the posting of libelous defamatory material on its facility? The problem with Child Porn is what the courts have stated it is and what people think's it is, Pornography itself is not illegal, as a matter of fact the US Supreme court has ruled that Pornography IS protected by the first Amendment, unless it is deemed Obscene by the courts. Child porn is illegal, not because of what it expressing, but how it is created, by the harm of real children. Virtual Child porn although many might find distasteful is protected by the first Amendment unless it is deemed obscene, by the courts, has first Amendment protection and is LEGAL. The Federal Courts has also stated that the Internet Service provider does not have any control of what is on their users computer, only what is on their (the ISP) server. 3. You may not post or transmit any message, data, image or program that would violate the property rights of others, including unauthorized copyrighted text, images or programs, trade secrets or other confidential proprietary information, and trademarks or service marks used in an infringing fashion. Todd, Do you think an ISP should allow violation of the property rights on others on its facility? The problem with that is there is such a thing as fair use, and Some Intellectual property owners view of what fair use is and what the courts has stated what fair use is two different things. I hold a number of copyrights and I'm a strong believer in fair-use. Groups like the RIAA and the MPAA makes all intellectual property owners look bad. 4. You may not interfere with other users use of the Service. Todd, Do you think an ISP should allow you to interfere with the other users of its facility? The problem with that one is What is the definition of interfere with other users, I have a little insight into how the internet works (I've been on it since 1993) and the only way a person can "interfere with someone's elses service is if the gobble up all the bandwith 5. You may not post or transmit any file which contains viruses, worms, "Trojan horses" or any other contaminating or destructive features. Todd, Do you think an ISP should allow you to spread viruses or other malware over their facility? There are federal Laws and state and federal agencies that over see that issue(ask the DOJ) 9. You may not use the facilities and capabilities of the Service to conduct any activity or solicit the performance of any illegal activity or other activity which infringes the rights of others. Todd, Do you think an ISP should allow you to use their facility to solicit for a hit man to whack your neighbor ? Do you think an ISP should allow you to sell child pornography using its facility? No I don't, there are laws on the books now (federal laws) that make that illegal to threaten people over the internet, cyberstalking and selling real child porn, It should be the police and the federal agencies, who is required by Law going after the bad guys, If a ISP see child porn they should report it to the authorities. ISP's should also be made aware by these agencies of what is Legal and what is Illegal so not to pull material that is protected by the first amendment, we don't need ISP's Supressing LEGAL FREE SPEECH Todd, Do you think......... A lot better then some of these people Todd N9OGL With kindest personal regards, de Hans, K0HB |
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Child Porn is STILL Child Porn, Cartoons or Not
Toddie. Morally speaking, there are many of us who feel that your sick
cartoons of naked children are still just that. Child porn. Cartoons or not, legal or not, Child Porn in any form is considered to be the effort of a sick mind for some sort of sick sexual gratification. There certainly is no "art" involved. Depictions of grown men invading the vagina of a small, female child are sick, sick, sick, though such depictions obviously turn you on. Obviously you are sick, sick, sick, too. Do you look at these cartoons and wish you were there, Todd? Since you obviously cannot attract an adult female, do you wish you could violate a child? Do you stare at these things while "thumping" yourself beneath your Daddy's desk? You are what? In your early thirties and still living at home? Under your Daddy's roof? You ain't "all there" in the head, Toad. |
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Child Porn is STILL Child Porn, Cartoons or Not
On May 28, 12:49 am, "Not Roger" anon@anon wrote:
Toddie. Morally speaking, there are many of us who feel that your sick cartoons of naked children are still just that. Child porn. Cartoons or not, legal or not, Child Porn in any form is considered to be the effort of a sick mind for some sort of sick sexual gratification. There certainly is no "art" involved. Depictions of grown men invading the vagina of a small, female child are sick, sick, sick, though such depictions obviously turn you on. Obviously you are sick, sick, sick, too. Do you look at these cartoons and wish you were there, Todd? Since you obviously cannot attract an adult female, do you wish you could violate a child? Do you stare at these things while "thumping" yourself beneath your Daddy's desk? You are what? In your early thirties and still living at home? Under your Daddy's roof? You ain't "all there" in the head, Toad. Morality is like an opinion, everyone has their own definitions of what is morally right or wrong, Secondly it it LAW that governs this country, not morality, if you want to live in a moral-based country ran by morals (including those of a religious nature) go live in Iran. As for ART, go to school (and I mean a University) and learn something about art like I have, because frankly you don't know **** about art. Most people who are are into children, are not going to look at cartoons, they are going to look at real pictures. As the Supreme Court stated if Child molestors or those who where interest in child Porn where using cartoons and virtual child porn, the the real child porn market would be dried up, the fact according to the FBI it hasn't, it's accually grown bigger. In fact there is more real child porn out there then there is Virtual child porn including cartoons. So perhaps you and your BUTT BUDDY BRAIN "THE RAT FINK" CROW should know what the **** your talking about when it comes to me before you open your BIG ****ING MOUTH!!! |
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